More Scottish ancestry for Gen. James Loraine Geddes of Iowa

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Around 15 years ago, I questioned whether there could be Scottish royal lines behind Gen. James Loraine Geddes, an immigrant to America in the 1800s prior to the Civil War, who has numerous American descendants:
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We know that James Lorraine Geddes was son of Capt. Alexander Geddes by his wife Elizabeth Careless, who were married at St. Cuthbert's in Edinburgh, 17 Jan. 1826 (per extracted IGI).

The following seems like a promising lead ... a monumental inscription
in King's Chapel, Gibraltar:

"James Geddes, Assistant-Surgeon, fell a victim to the malignant fever
raging in the Garrison, 25 Oct., 1804; also Wilhelmina, his w.[ife],
dau. of James Loraine, Esq., of Angelraw, Berwickshire, who shared his
fate, 2 Nov., 1804. Erected by their eldest s.[on], Col. Wm. Geddes,
C.B., Bengal Artillery."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030221006&view=1up&seq=424&q1=geddes

Can anybody tell me more about possible descendants of James Geddes and his wife, Wilhelmina Loraine?

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American descendants of James Loraine Geddes of Iowa have collected more data supporting James L. Geddes as the namesame grandson of James Loraine of Angelraw, Berwickshire. See

http://www.nickcoleman.net/homepages/treedata/ourfrasers/f512.htm

I just wanted to point out that James Loraine of Angelraw is shown as a son of Alexander Loraine, writer of Dunse/ Duns, by his wife Anne/Anna Dallas, in James Dallas, _The History of the Family of Dallas, and Their Connections and Descendants from the Twelfth Century_ (Edinburgh, Constable, 1921), p. 345:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6rx98q16&view=1up&seq=381&q1=dunse

Anne or Anne Dallas, in turn, was the daughter of James Dallas (d. 1740) of St. Martins, by his first wife Elizabeth Riddell.

This means James Loraine Geddes was quite a close kinsman of Walter Dallas of Prince George's, Maryland, whose male-line ancestry is given on pp. 13-14 of ...

https://baltimoregenealogysociety.org/notebook_archive/1992.pdf

He would also be related to the line that led to George Mifflin Dallas, vice president of the United States from 1845 to 1849 (under Pres. Fillmore), for whom Dallas, Texas, is named.

I don't see any immediate royal lines behind Anne/Anna Dallas, but her ancestry includes the family names of Mackintosh, Dunbar (twice), Abercrombie, and Riddell of Minto as well as Riddell of Kinglass.

Gary Boyd Roberts gives a royal descent for George Mifflin Dallas, but this comes in through one of the Dallas wives (? Arabella Smith) who was the mother or grandmother of George Mifflin.

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Actually, the American immigrant was the second James Loraine Geddes, the first being his uncle, a doctor (born 1798), who was the brother of Alexander Geddes (born 1799) who married Elizabeth Carless.

Hence, the Iowa man would be an apparent GREAT-grandson of James Loraine of Angelraw.

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Note that the Baltimore Gen. Soc. article on Walter Dallas of Maryland shows the George M. Dallas line originating from Walter's (and Anna's) half-brother, Dr. Robert Dallas, "settled in Jamaica."

Kelsey's list of Scottish immigrants with royal descents shows a Robert Dallas of Jamaica with a King Robert II line.

http://scottishgenealogy.weebly.com/scottish-immigrants.html

I suppose this is the same person mentioned in the Baltimore article (but remember that the royal line could be through his mother, a different lady from the mother of his half-siblings Walter and Anna).

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"Emma D'Oyly, born 27th Feb. 1805, at Sion Hill, baptized at Kirby Wiske 28th Feb. 1805. She became the wife of William Geddes, Esq. Major in the East India Company's service, member of a good Scotch family, and nephew, maternally, of Colonel Loraine, of Edinburgh. By him, who has lately distinguished himself at Gwalior, and been raised to the rank of Colonel, she has had several children; of whom, in 1840, only two daughters survived; 1. Wilhelmina Geddes; 2. Hannah Margaret Loraine Geddes." (John Gough Nichols, _The Topographer and Genealogist_, vol. 2 [1853], p. 27).

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Topographer_and_Genealogist/0xc5AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=geddes

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Alexander and Margaret (Ker) Loraine -- Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Loraine, was born in 1761, the son of James Loraine, the Sheriff Clerk of Berwickshire. Loraine had a distinguished military career. He joined the army in 1778, and was appointed Assistant Military Secretary at Horse Guards, before serving in four campaigns in America, including taking part in the capture of the French West India Islands. In 1807, he was appointed Deputy Governor of Southsea Castle (painting c. 1850 by unknown artist) and then, after having served for 29 years in the army took up the civil post of a Commissioner for the Affairs of Barracks. When ex-army officers left to take up a civil post, usually this meant giving up their rank. However, Loraine was able to sell his Lieutenant Colonelcy but retain his rank. The purchase of officer commissions in the British Army was a common practice through most of its history. This practice was designed to preserve the social exclusivity of the officer class; ensured that the officer class was largely populated by persons having a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, thereby reducing the possibility of Army units taking part in a revolution or coup; and provided honourably retired officers with an immediate source of capital. The practice was abolished in 1871.One of Alexander’s sisters, Hannah, later lived at Number 43. Another sister, Williamina, married James Geddes who, although trained as a doctor, became a merchant in Gibraltar. In 1804, the Army Garrison in Gibraltar experienced a fever epidemic and Geddes offered to assist. Sadly, as a result, both he and Williamina died of the fever within three days of each other, leaving four boys and one girl as orphans. The Executors in Gibraltar appointed by their father neglected them, and so the five were sent back to Scotland to be reared by their mother's relatives, who had to bear the sole expense of supporting and educating them. General Sir Thomas Griggs, the Gibraltar Commander, argued that Dr Geddes had, in effect, lost his life in the service of the army, and endeavoured to procure a pension from the Government to assist these orphans in their destitute situation. All that was forthcoming was £50 per annum. It was decided to settle this on the daughter, Anne, thinking her situation the most needy, while the four Geddes boys were looked after by Alexander and Margaret.

The Loraines moved to Number 48, where Colonel Loraine died in 1838, and Margaret in 1844.

from:
https://sites.google.com/site/albanystreetedinburgh/home/house-list/number-12/number-12---information-on-other-residents

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(p. 318)
https://archive.org/details/royalmilitaryca00goog/page/n321/mode/2up?q=loraine

944. Lieutenant-Colonel Alexander Loraine.

Appointed Ensign 42d foot, 8th Nov., 1778 ; Lieut., 25th July, 1781; Lieut. 9th foot, 26th Aug., 1786; Captain 19th Feb., 1793 ; Major 7th Aug., 1799 ; Lieut.-Col., 9l8t foot, 25th June, 1801. This officer served four compaigns in America; between five and six years in the West Indies, and was with the late Lord Grey at the capture of the French West India Islands. And he has also served on the Continent of Europe. Lieut.-Col. L. was an Assistant Military Secretary in the Com.-in-Chief s office seven years ; and subsequently one of the Commissioners for the affairs of Barracks. In consequence of having served twenty-nine years when he accepted the above civil situation, he was allowed to sell his Lieut.-Colonelcy, and retain his rank in the army ; but which is therefore stationary. He is Deputy-Governor of South Sea Castle.