DUTTONs of Cheshire and Massachusetts
Robert J. O'Hara
in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts.
He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate
this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example
http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace
Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the
"Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar
with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some
family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the
Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of
Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers
to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many
thanks.
Bob O'Hara (rjo...@uncg.edu)
Experimental genealogy site: http://strong.uncg.edu/gen.html
Jim Stevens
I have incorporated the Dutton line into my database. Sir John de Dutton of
Dutton, d.1473, is the most modern individual I have documented. I have
documented my sources, so you can be the judge of how reliable the line is.
On the jump from America to England, alas, I can be of no help.
If you are interested in examining the line, go to my website (URL is in my
signature) and choose 5300 from the index by ID number. This will take you
to Sir John. He apparently had no descendants, but I have some of his
cousins documented also.
My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the Dutton name (from this line
at least) became extinct in England and that present day descendants are
through female links and thus do not bear the Dutton name.
If you really get into serious investigation of this line and find an error
in mine, I would greatly appreciate feedback.
Happy hunting !
Today is the first day of the rest of your life ! (jste...@iquest.net) Jim
Visit my genealogy website at
http://www.gendex.com/users/jast
Helen Parsonage
wrote:
> The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621
> in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts.
> He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate
> this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example
> http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace
> Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the
> "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar
> with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some
> family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the
> Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of
> Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers
> to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many
> thanks.
>
> Bob O'Hara (rjo...@uncg.edu)
> Experimental genealogy site: http://strong.uncg.edu/gen.html
You can find the pedigree of the DUTTONs as it appeared in the 1580
Heraldic Visitation of Cheshire at my web-site:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/dutton.html
along with those of ARDERN, BIRD, COTGREVE, DAVENPORT and MASSY (see:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8555/visit.html)
You might also check out the DUNTON HOMESITE, with DUNTON/DUTTON info at:
http://www.web-ster.com/miked/
Regards,
Helen
(Just down the road in Winston-Salem)
kabo...@worldnet.att.net
> The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621
> in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts.
> He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate
> this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example
> http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace
> Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the
> "Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar
> with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some
> family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the
> Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of
> Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers
> to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many
> thanks.
I can't vouch for whether Thomas Dutton was of the well-known Cheshire
Dutton family, But Obadiah Bruen, immigrant to Connecticut, certainly was.
His 5th great grandfather, Sir John Dutton, died 1445. See TAG, Vol. 26
(1950), pp. 12-25, for an article by the great Jacobus himself on the
subject. Jacobus was a Bruen descendant, as am I.
Robert Abell, of Massachusetts, and Mary Mainwaring, immigrant to Maryland,
also have this Dutton ancestry. See Faris for these lines.
John Steele Gordon
Robert O'Connor
across on the Net show the father of the Massachusetts immigrant Thomas
Dutton as on John Dutton & his wife Mary Neeld. They go on to record that
this John was born in 1596 & died in 1693 at Reading, MA. The connection
is supposedly made to the Duttons of Dutton through the Sherborne branch of
the family by making this John the son of Sir Ralph Dutton d 1646 of the
Sherborne line.
This connection must be entirely FALSE as Sir Roger Dutton d 1646 was in
fact baptised 13 Dec. 1601 at Sherborne - he could therefore NOT be the
father of a man born in 1596.
I have pointed this chronological problem to a number of the owners of the
websites that make this connection - but they continue to make the
connection.
My interest in the Dutton family relates to the family of the name settled
at Chipping Campden in Gloucestershire - the earliest being John Dutton
whose daugther Rose was baptised there in 1645. My John may have been of
the Northleach family of the same name, whose earliest ancestor Thomas
Dutton d 1602 refers to land he owned at Sherborne thus indicating a
substantive connection with the Sherborne line.
I have put together a genealogy of the Dutton, of Dutton line (including
the Sherborne branch) and would be happy to send it to you should you wish.
It is a MS Word 97 file. Please advise
Cheers
Robert O'Connor
Robert J. O'Hara <rjo...@uncg.edu> wrote in article
<368EE8...@uncg.edu>...
The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621
in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts.
He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate
this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example
http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace
Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the
"Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar
with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some
family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the
Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of
Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers
to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many
thanks.
Bob O'Hara (rjo...@uncg.edu)
Robert O'Connor
Sir Ralph. Apologies
Robert O'Connor <roco...@es.co.nz> wrote in article
<01be3774$6081b5c0$44804dd1@default>...
Erols
discussed in The American Genealogist, (66), 65/73 I assume this means one
of the issues in 1966.
I believe that the author concluded that any link with the gentry
Duttons was based on "careless reading of the sources."
good luck in your quest,
Mike Gallafent
writes
>The Massachusetts immigrant Thomas DUTTON was apparently born abt 1621
>in Cheshire, England, and died 22 Jan 1697 in Billerica, Massachusetts.
>He m Susannah PALMER in 1647 in Billerica. In starting to investigate
>this ancestor I have found a number websites (for example
>http://www.web-ster.com/miked/html/d0002/g0000166.htm#I1933) that trace
>Thomas Dutton's ancestry back into the Medieval period through the
>"Duttons of Dutton" in Cheshire. Does anyone here happen to be familiar
>with this line, and can anyone tell me if this is solid or just some
>family historian's fancy from the 19th century? (For all I know the
>Mass immigrant may in fact not be linked to the Dutton family of
>Cheshire at all; that may be where the imagination came in). Pointers
>to recent sources (confirming or debunking) will be welcome. Many
>thanks.
>
>Bob O'Hara (rjo...@uncg.edu)
>Experimental genealogy site: http://strong.uncg.edu/gen.html
For what it's worth the published transcriptions of the wills of:
Lawrence Dutton of Dutton (probate 1527/8)
John Dutton of New Manor 1542
may be found in volume 33 of the annual tracts of the Chetham Society
(counties of Lancashire & Cheshire).
For those interested in the south:)
'Abstracts of Gloucestershire Inquisitiones Post Mortem', part III,
edited by E.A.Fry, British Record Society 1899:
Lawrence Dutton, gentleman 1637.
--
Mike.
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Todd A. Farmerie
>
> If you really get into serious investigation of this line and find an error
> in mine, I would greatly appreciate feedback.
>
> http://www.gendex.com/users/jast
While I didn't look closely at the Duttons, I noticed a mistake in the
spanish material on the same page as Piers Dutton. You show Sancho II
Abarca marrying his own niece, the daughter of Fernan Gonzalez of
Castile and Sancho's sister. This is incorrect. Urraca Garces was the
second wife of Fernan, while Sancho's wife was daughter of Fernan's
first wife, Sancha Sanchez. Likewise, their granddaughter Urraca Garces
of Navarre was not wife of Menendo Gonzalez, nor mother of his daughter
Elvira Menendez.
Following this line, this later Urraca Garces, second wife of Alfonso V
was, in all probability, mother of his daughter Jimena. Contrary to
what you find in Stuart and his sources, there is no evidence that
Jimena Alfonso married Fernando Gondemariz, and there is a surviving
document which shows Fernando married to a Muniadomna Ordonez. Fernando
was son of Gondemaro Pinioliz (by his wife Muniadomna), who was son of
Piniolo Gundemariz, but NOT by Eldonza Munoz. Eldonza was wife of a
different man, Piniolo Jimenez, maternal grandson of this Piniolo
Gondemariz.
Fernando Gundemariz was grandfather of Jimena Diaz, daughter of Count
Diego and his wife Christina. It has recently been suggested that Diego
was identical to Count Diego Fernandez, and thus Fernando Gondemariz was
Diego's father, and not Christina's. This leaves Christina without
known parents (although I have presented my own theory of her paternity
several months ago). Continuing on down the line, their granddaughter
married Ramiro Sanchez. He was son of Sancho Garces, illegitimate son
of Garcia Sanchez, King of Navarre. Salazar recently published a paper
addressing this man. He reached two important conclusions. First,
previous historians have mistakenly combined the identities of two
separate counts. This man, the husband of Constance and father of
Ramiro and Estefania, was distinct from Count Sancho Garces Mazeratiz,
who married a descendant of the earlier Queen Endregota, and was father
of Count Sancho Sanchez -- thus Ramiro's father was not Sancho
Mazeratiz. The second conclusion was that Constance was daughter of
Sancho's step-mother, Estefania (wife of King Garcia) by an earlier
marriage - Maranon is out of the picture too.
taf