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Ancestry of WILLOUGHBY alias Vizovi Velouvy Viloví of Funchal, Madeira issuing from WILLOUGHBY of Knoyle, Wilts., and descending to WILLOUGHBY, of Bishopston(e), Wilts. was RE: Gabriel Ludlow, his wife Phyllis, and ___ Cogswell
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Richard Carruthers
Mar 24, 2017, 10:36:06 PM3/24/17
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RE: Gabriel Ludlow, his wife Phyllis, and ___ Cogswell
ravinma...@yahoo.com<ravinma...@yahoo.com> 24 March 2017 at 08:20
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The NEGHR article I mentioned (from ca. 2008) showed that John
Cogswell and Elizabeth had a daughter who remained behind in England,
Phyllis Cogswell wife of ____ Broadhurst, I believe.
Interesting theory about the daughter of Rev. Thompson being Gabriel
Ludlow's wife.
I note that an old book on the Harrisons of Virginia speculates she
was a certain Phyllis Wakelyn:
"The mother of Sarah Ludlow, who m. John Carter, appears to have been
Phillis, the wife who survived Gabriel Ludlow, and who, as far as is
known, was his only wife. Her will, leaving everything to said
Gabriel's children, each of whom she called "my son" or "my daughter,"
gives no clue as to her maiden name, and the compiler of the Ludlow
pedigree mentioned in the Introduction has failed to ascertain it.
Gabriel Ludlow is mentioned as a kinsman in the will of George
Willoughby, who was a trader in the East Indies. He was son of
Albinus Willoughby whose nuncupative will, made Aug. 1, 1606, named
Gabriel Pile as an overseer, which may indicate that the relationship
between George Willoughby and Gabriel Ludlow was through the Piles
(see the Chart). The uncommonness of the names "Albinus," or "Alban,"
and "Phillis" tempts us to identify Phillis Ludlow with Phillis
Wakelyn, one of the four daughters of Alban Wakelyn of Henley on
Thames, Oxfordshire, whose will was dated April 21, 1602, and probated
Feb. 10, 1602-3, but I cannot trace the family later ..."
https://books.google.com/books?id=IeVDAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=phillis+wakelyn+harrison&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj15JSpte_SAhUFbiYKHXj-CTwQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=phillis%20wakelyn%20harrison&f=false
I don't know that that strikes me as too likely, but I suppose someone
could check it out ...
- Show quoted text -
Due to the foregoing ALBINUS WILLOUGHBY connexion that has arisen in
the LUDLOW investigation, I include the following research I did
nearly four years ago when the name Alban WILLOUGHBY came up on the
list:
The following was written and saved by me on 3 Aug. 2013, but never
sent to the list or to Paulo Santos Perneta.
In 2008, there was an exchange on gen-med about the ancestry of Robert
WILLOUGHBY otherwise Roberto Vilovi, an English merchant, who settled
in Funchal, Madeira in the late 16th century. His father was recorded
as Albano WILLOUGHBY, and Roberto's armorial tombstone was shown to
quarter the WILLOUGHBY arms with others as yet unidentified.
There was a problem with the identity of Albano in English records.
There was no trace of any Alban Willoughby at the right period.
Coming at the problem from the direction of my ERNLE research, I
decided to investigate the ancestry of Christopher WILLOUGHBY who
married Martha ERNLE, 3rd and youngest daughter, with five sons, of
Sir Walter ERNLE, 1st Baronet, at Chirton, Wilts. in 1692. Christopher
was the only (probably only surviving) son of Sir George WILLOUGHBY,
Knt, (b. ca 1635/36, d. 1695), by his wife, Dorothy or Dorothea,
daughter of Robert LOWTHER, alderman of London. Sir George was an M.P.
and there are biographies of him in the History of Parliament volumes
for 1660-1690, and 1690-1715.
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/willoughby-george-1636-95
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/willoughby-sir-george-1635-95
Sir George was the 3rd son of Robert WILLOUGHBY, a Roman Catholic
merchant of Funchal, Madeira (who d. after 1642), by his wife, Mary,
daughter of one DANDRADER. This latter name is clearly not English,
and almost looks German, though it is, in fact, a 17th century
rendition of a Portuguese surname, de Andrade.
In 1681, Sir George WILLOUGHBY inherited his seat, Bishopstone (North)
in Wiltshire from his kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LCYVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=%22george+willoughby%22+bishopston&source=bl&ots=wzRi2INB5p&sig=A-O-kVEYAAsrdw38xces7a9BiIs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=16_9UYazFMOniAKmxoGwCA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22george%20willoughby%22%20bishopston&f=false
The History of Parliament series says that their exact genealogical
relationship is unknown (though there are hints of it in the foregoing
will abstract).
Both Sir George and his kinsman Christopher WILLOUGHBY recorded their
lineages and right to coat-armour in the 1664 Visitation of London
(Harleian Society Publications, vol. 92, Heraldic series, p. 150). I
am only able to see it in snippet view, but I believe I have the gist
of it.
>From that stems Sir George WILLOUGHBY's parentage as recorded in the
1690-1715 version of his Hist. Parl. biography.
The 1664 Visitation cites his grandfather's name as "Albinus
WILLOUGHBY, of Knoyle, Wilts". I don't think Albinus's wife's name is
included (note of 24/3/2017: I have her name down in my research as
Mary NN, against which I have written that she was possibly a LUDLOW
or a PILE/PYLE, due to the very same excerpt ravenmaven quoted which I
came across during my 2013 research), but I cannot see that. He
[Albinus Willougby] was, however, in turn, the son of Richard
WILLOUGHBY of Fovell, Wilts., and his wife Alice, daughter of NN
Wyatt, of Knoyle, Wilts. and of Meere (now Mere, and also in Wilts.)
and grandson of George WILLOUGHBY, of Fovell, which the 1940 Harl.
Soc. editors say is probably recte Fovant, Wilts.
Certainly Sir George's kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY's will (pr.
PCC, 17 Feb. 1680/81) states that his own father, Richard WILLOUGHBY,
was born in Fovant, Wilts. (I cannot see what that part of the 1664
Visitation of London has to say about C.W.'s parentage.).
It would appear, then, that it is likely that Albinus WILLOUGHBY was
Christopher's brother, though the dating is somewhat extreme if indeed
I am right. For one thing, there is a PCC will for one Albinis
WILLOUGHBY, of Farleigh, Wilts. proved in 1606. Mary, wife of Albinus
WILLOUGHBY of West Knoyle, Wilts. is listed as having been buried at
Dinton, Wilts. in Oct. 1602 (Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural
History Magazine, vol. 54, 1952, p. 398).
The WILLOUGHBY family of Knoyle (from which the Bishopstone line
sprang) is recorded in both the 1565 and 1623 Visitations of
Wiltshire, but without seeing the full version of the 1664 London
Visitation, I can only make conjectures as to the precise filiation of
the George WILLOUGHBY who heads the 1664 Visitation pedigree(s).
The most extensive Visitation pedigree (1623) of the Wiltshire
WILLOUGHBY family only hints at where this George might fit in, by
mentioning the Knoyle branch. At the same time, it does include a
George, possibly of the same generation, but belonging to another
branch of the family, settled at Silton in Dorset. I believe this
latter to be a red-herring as far as the placement of the Madeira
branch of the WILLOUGHBY sib is concerned, though I can see how it
also ties into the ERNLE family though the marriage of Alice BLACKER
(whose mother was an ERNLE) to William WILLOUGHBY on p. 218, hence the
appearance among their children of a son named ERNLEY.
Also belonging to the Knoyle line are Henry WILLOUGHBY of Knoyle and
his wife Jane daughter of John DANSEY normally DAUNTESEY OR DAUNTSEY
(p. 216). Her mother was another ERNLE.
This Henry WILLOUGHBY had a younger brother, John WILLOUGHBY, of
Baverstock, Wilts. who married Michael [not a mistake] SMITH, and with
other issue had a son Roger WILLOUGHBY who m. by licence dated 1617
(“The Genealogist” 1908, p. 276, MARRIAGE LICENCES OF SALISBURY.
Edited by the Rev. Edmund Nevill, B.A. “1617….Willoughby, Roger, of
Baverstocke, Wilts, gent., 31, and Sara Goddard, of Littleton, in West
Lavington, sp., 23. 21 Oct.”), Sarah GODDARD (GODDARD is another name
tied to ERNLE in Wilts.). The Visitation records their daughter
Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY as aged 4 in 1623. It is likely that it is to
this branch that, I think rather significantly, belonged another
Albinus WILLOUGHBIE son of Roger, bt. 28 Oct. 1623 in Upton-on-Severn,
Worcestershire (found via FamilySearch.org controlled extractions).
This too me indicates that it is definitely the Knoyle branch rather
than the Silton branch of the WILLOUGHBY family that is likely to
yield the answer.
The earliest instance of a CMB record that includes the unusual name
Albinus WILLOUGHBY turns up in Wiltshire, viz.: Remytt son of Albynus
WILLOBEE baptised 22 November 1606 Saint Thomas, Salisbury, Wiltshire
(found via FamilySearch.org controlled extraction batch: C15348-1).
There are further instances later that century in Worcs., when the
Albinus of the 1623 baptism appears as the father, and in London in
1680. There are, however, references to men of this name connected to
people in New England and Bantam in Java, perhaps indicating that this
was a name popular among adventurous mercantile offshoots of the
Wiltshire WILLOUGHBY family.
The Knoyle WILLOUGHBY sib itself was founded by Christopher WILLOUGHBY
(PCC will proved 11 May 1571), natural son of Sir William
WILLOUGHBY, Knt, of Turner's Puddle, Dorset, by an unknown mistress.
He was the younger brother of Robert, 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE,
founder of the Silton line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willoughby,_1st_Baron_Willoughby_de_Broke
N.B. Apparently the foregoing article is rather inaccurate as to the
progeny of the 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE if the 1623 Visitation of
Wilts. contains a fuller listing of his male line issue.
I should be interested to learn of any further indications about these
interrelated branches of the WILLOUGHBY de BROKE family particularly
as regards the Silton and Knoyle lines.
Thank you,
Richard (2013 and 2017)
ravinma...@yahoo.com<ravinma...@yahoo.com> 24 March 2017 at 08:20
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
The NEGHR article I mentioned (from ca. 2008) showed that John
Cogswell and Elizabeth had a daughter who remained behind in England,
Phyllis Cogswell wife of ____ Broadhurst, I believe.
Interesting theory about the daughter of Rev. Thompson being Gabriel
Ludlow's wife.
I note that an old book on the Harrisons of Virginia speculates she
was a certain Phyllis Wakelyn:
"The mother of Sarah Ludlow, who m. John Carter, appears to have been
Phillis, the wife who survived Gabriel Ludlow, and who, as far as is
known, was his only wife. Her will, leaving everything to said
Gabriel's children, each of whom she called "my son" or "my daughter,"
gives no clue as to her maiden name, and the compiler of the Ludlow
pedigree mentioned in the Introduction has failed to ascertain it.
Gabriel Ludlow is mentioned as a kinsman in the will of George
Willoughby, who was a trader in the East Indies. He was son of
Albinus Willoughby whose nuncupative will, made Aug. 1, 1606, named
Gabriel Pile as an overseer, which may indicate that the relationship
between George Willoughby and Gabriel Ludlow was through the Piles
(see the Chart). The uncommonness of the names "Albinus," or "Alban,"
and "Phillis" tempts us to identify Phillis Ludlow with Phillis
Wakelyn, one of the four daughters of Alban Wakelyn of Henley on
Thames, Oxfordshire, whose will was dated April 21, 1602, and probated
Feb. 10, 1602-3, but I cannot trace the family later ..."
https://books.google.com/books?id=IeVDAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA89&dq=phillis+wakelyn+harrison&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj15JSpte_SAhUFbiYKHXj-CTwQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=phillis%20wakelyn%20harrison&f=false
I don't know that that strikes me as too likely, but I suppose someone
could check it out ...
- Show quoted text -
Due to the foregoing ALBINUS WILLOUGHBY connexion that has arisen in
the LUDLOW investigation, I include the following research I did
nearly four years ago when the name Alban WILLOUGHBY came up on the
list:
The following was written and saved by me on 3 Aug. 2013, but never
sent to the list or to Paulo Santos Perneta.
In 2008, there was an exchange on gen-med about the ancestry of Robert
WILLOUGHBY otherwise Roberto Vilovi, an English merchant, who settled
in Funchal, Madeira in the late 16th century. His father was recorded
as Albano WILLOUGHBY, and Roberto's armorial tombstone was shown to
quarter the WILLOUGHBY arms with others as yet unidentified.
There was a problem with the identity of Albano in English records.
There was no trace of any Alban Willoughby at the right period.
Coming at the problem from the direction of my ERNLE research, I
decided to investigate the ancestry of Christopher WILLOUGHBY who
married Martha ERNLE, 3rd and youngest daughter, with five sons, of
Sir Walter ERNLE, 1st Baronet, at Chirton, Wilts. in 1692. Christopher
was the only (probably only surviving) son of Sir George WILLOUGHBY,
Knt, (b. ca 1635/36, d. 1695), by his wife, Dorothy or Dorothea,
daughter of Robert LOWTHER, alderman of London. Sir George was an M.P.
and there are biographies of him in the History of Parliament volumes
for 1660-1690, and 1690-1715.
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/willoughby-george-1636-95
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/willoughby-sir-george-1635-95
Sir George was the 3rd son of Robert WILLOUGHBY, a Roman Catholic
merchant of Funchal, Madeira (who d. after 1642), by his wife, Mary,
daughter of one DANDRADER. This latter name is clearly not English,
and almost looks German, though it is, in fact, a 17th century
rendition of a Portuguese surname, de Andrade.
In 1681, Sir George WILLOUGHBY inherited his seat, Bishopstone (North)
in Wiltshire from his kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY.
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LCYVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=%22george+willoughby%22+bishopston&source=bl&ots=wzRi2INB5p&sig=A-O-kVEYAAsrdw38xces7a9BiIs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=16_9UYazFMOniAKmxoGwCA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22george%20willoughby%22%20bishopston&f=false
The History of Parliament series says that their exact genealogical
relationship is unknown (though there are hints of it in the foregoing
will abstract).
Both Sir George and his kinsman Christopher WILLOUGHBY recorded their
lineages and right to coat-armour in the 1664 Visitation of London
(Harleian Society Publications, vol. 92, Heraldic series, p. 150). I
am only able to see it in snippet view, but I believe I have the gist
of it.
>From that stems Sir George WILLOUGHBY's parentage as recorded in the
1690-1715 version of his Hist. Parl. biography.
The 1664 Visitation cites his grandfather's name as "Albinus
WILLOUGHBY, of Knoyle, Wilts". I don't think Albinus's wife's name is
included (note of 24/3/2017: I have her name down in my research as
Mary NN, against which I have written that she was possibly a LUDLOW
or a PILE/PYLE, due to the very same excerpt ravenmaven quoted which I
came across during my 2013 research), but I cannot see that. He
[Albinus Willougby] was, however, in turn, the son of Richard
WILLOUGHBY of Fovell, Wilts., and his wife Alice, daughter of NN
Wyatt, of Knoyle, Wilts. and of Meere (now Mere, and also in Wilts.)
and grandson of George WILLOUGHBY, of Fovell, which the 1940 Harl.
Soc. editors say is probably recte Fovant, Wilts.
Certainly Sir George's kinsman, Christopher WILLOUGHBY's will (pr.
PCC, 17 Feb. 1680/81) states that his own father, Richard WILLOUGHBY,
was born in Fovant, Wilts. (I cannot see what that part of the 1664
Visitation of London has to say about C.W.'s parentage.).
It would appear, then, that it is likely that Albinus WILLOUGHBY was
Christopher's brother, though the dating is somewhat extreme if indeed
I am right. For one thing, there is a PCC will for one Albinis
WILLOUGHBY, of Farleigh, Wilts. proved in 1606. Mary, wife of Albinus
WILLOUGHBY of West Knoyle, Wilts. is listed as having been buried at
Dinton, Wilts. in Oct. 1602 (Wiltshire Archaeological and Natural
History Magazine, vol. 54, 1952, p. 398).
The WILLOUGHBY family of Knoyle (from which the Bishopstone line
sprang) is recorded in both the 1565 and 1623 Visitations of
Wiltshire, but without seeing the full version of the 1664 London
Visitation, I can only make conjectures as to the precise filiation of
the George WILLOUGHBY who heads the 1664 Visitation pedigree(s).
The most extensive Visitation pedigree (1623) of the Wiltshire
WILLOUGHBY family only hints at where this George might fit in, by
mentioning the Knoyle branch. At the same time, it does include a
George, possibly of the same generation, but belonging to another
branch of the family, settled at Silton in Dorset. I believe this
latter to be a red-herring as far as the placement of the Madeira
branch of the WILLOUGHBY sib is concerned, though I can see how it
also ties into the ERNLE family though the marriage of Alice BLACKER
(whose mother was an ERNLE) to William WILLOUGHBY on p. 218, hence the
appearance among their children of a son named ERNLEY.
Also belonging to the Knoyle line are Henry WILLOUGHBY of Knoyle and
his wife Jane daughter of John DANSEY normally DAUNTESEY OR DAUNTSEY
(p. 216). Her mother was another ERNLE.
This Henry WILLOUGHBY had a younger brother, John WILLOUGHBY, of
Baverstock, Wilts. who married Michael [not a mistake] SMITH, and with
other issue had a son Roger WILLOUGHBY who m. by licence dated 1617
(“The Genealogist” 1908, p. 276, MARRIAGE LICENCES OF SALISBURY.
Edited by the Rev. Edmund Nevill, B.A. “1617….Willoughby, Roger, of
Baverstocke, Wilts, gent., 31, and Sara Goddard, of Littleton, in West
Lavington, sp., 23. 21 Oct.”), Sarah GODDARD (GODDARD is another name
tied to ERNLE in Wilts.). The Visitation records their daughter
Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY as aged 4 in 1623. It is likely that it is to
this branch that, I think rather significantly, belonged another
Albinus WILLOUGHBIE son of Roger, bt. 28 Oct. 1623 in Upton-on-Severn,
Worcestershire (found via FamilySearch.org controlled extractions).
This too me indicates that it is definitely the Knoyle branch rather
than the Silton branch of the WILLOUGHBY family that is likely to
yield the answer.
The earliest instance of a CMB record that includes the unusual name
Albinus WILLOUGHBY turns up in Wiltshire, viz.: Remytt son of Albynus
WILLOBEE baptised 22 November 1606 Saint Thomas, Salisbury, Wiltshire
(found via FamilySearch.org controlled extraction batch: C15348-1).
There are further instances later that century in Worcs., when the
Albinus of the 1623 baptism appears as the father, and in London in
1680. There are, however, references to men of this name connected to
people in New England and Bantam in Java, perhaps indicating that this
was a name popular among adventurous mercantile offshoots of the
Wiltshire WILLOUGHBY family.
The Knoyle WILLOUGHBY sib itself was founded by Christopher WILLOUGHBY
(PCC will proved 11 May 1571), natural son of Sir William
WILLOUGHBY, Knt, of Turner's Puddle, Dorset, by an unknown mistress.
He was the younger brother of Robert, 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE,
founder of the Silton line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Willoughby,_1st_Baron_Willoughby_de_Broke
N.B. Apparently the foregoing article is rather inaccurate as to the
progeny of the 1st Lord WILLOUGHBY de BROKE if the 1623 Visitation of
Wilts. contains a fuller listing of his male line issue.
I should be interested to learn of any further indications about these
interrelated branches of the WILLOUGHBY de BROKE family particularly
as regards the Silton and Knoyle lines.
Thank you,
Richard (2013 and 2017)
Ken Rolston
Mar 25, 2017, 5:06:52 PM3/25/17
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If you give me your email address I can send you a copy of the Willoughby page in 1664 Vis of London.
Privately if you wish, through: kenxxgeo at gmail dot com
Ken Rolston
tonyfo...@hotmail.com
May 10, 2017, 4:27:29 AM5/10/17
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I was very interested to read your notes on the Ernle/Willoughby connections as I have been researching these families for some time. I'm sure I can add some further detail, especially to the Madeira branch, as I've recently visited Robert's tombstone in Funchal and identified members of his family in the cathedral registers. My notes are in a Word profile which I'd be happy to send you; I just need to know the best way to go about it.
Regards, Tony Foster
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