Beauregard to Charlemagne :-)
Denis Beauregard
it can be funny to see how to forge a line using documents...
The Beauregard line is known to the mid-1450. It is continuous
and each line has a document to back it. This is what I
shown in my book Andre Jarret et ses ancetres published in
1992.
Now, let's take the line where it is not possible to continue
and let's see a fictive "documented" line... I must say
I don't have near me all the documents I need but I saw
a source in 1997 in Grenoble to complete it.
So, the dead end is Barthelemy Hugon dit Jarret who rented
some lands from seigneur de Chapeau-Cornu in 1471 and 1478.
He is presumed to be the father of the other Hugon dit Jarret
of that area since all of them appeared only about 30 years
later and are called Hugon dit Jarret too (there is a Pierre
Sibuet dit Jarret at the same time and a Pierre Hugon too).
Chapeau-Cornu is a seigneurie near Rual de Chapeau-Cornu
(a street still existing today and still a few km from the
next village of Vignieu, between Grenoble and Lyon).
Now, the fictive part.
Barthelemy was the son of Gonin (Hugon and Gonin are 2
variations of the same name) Jarret living in Roussillon
in 1458. This is a town about 50 km west of Vignieu.
Pierre, son of Barthelemy, is born about 1450 (his sons are
estimated to be born about 1480). This makes Barthelemy
born about 1420 and Gonin in 1390.
Gonin Jarret appears in a document by Allard, dictionary
of Dauphine.
90 km south of those places, there is a town called Chateaudouble
and just besides it, there is a land called Beauregard. Since
Vignieu was stroke by the plague in 1458, its inhabitants were
likely replaced by other commoners from other lands belonging
to the same family. You know what ? That land Beauregard was
owned by the Jean d'Hostun, seigneur de la Baume d'Hostun et
de Beauregard, the brother in-law (by his wife Jeanne) of
Charles de Grolee, the seigneur de Chapeau-Cornu. So, the
Jarret family was more or less removed from Chateaudouble
to Chapeau-Cornu. In 1410, there is a noble Pierre Jarret
living in Chateaudouble. Since he has the same first name
as the son of Barthelemy, he must be the grand-father of
Barthelemy and the father of Gonin. The Grolee and D'Hostun
genealogies are documented in some books and Pierre Jarret
is mentionned by Allard in his dictionary.
In La regeste de Dauphine, which covers the years before
1400, there are many articles about some Jarret nobles.
Since I can't find my notes, I will only mention Guigonis
(still a variation of Gonin) Jarret in about 1385. I
presume I could complete the line from that regeste back
to the 1300s.
And then, we have the lords of Jarez, around St-Etienne
and St-Chamond, about 90 km westward. The last of them
is a descendent of Charlemagne by her mother (see Le
Sang de Charlemagne). So, we make a link between her and the
Jarret of Chateaudouble et voila ! A complete line to
Charlemagne is born :-)
All this line is fictive. Actually, all the lineages before
Barthelemy are fictive (but the line is proven from
Barthelemy to me). Also, all the documents I indicated
are true. That is:
There is a dictionary of Dauphine by Allard, indicating a
Gonin Jarret in Roussillon in 1458 and a noble line of
Jarret in Chateaudouble, terminating with Pierre Jarret
in 1410.
The genealogy of Grolee and D'Hostun are true and they were
in-laws. D'Hostun owned the Beauregard land. The plague
of 1458 is quoted in a book about Vignieu. The Jarret
owns a land called Beauregard from the 1580s, but it seems
they had it before.
The line of the Jarez to Charlemagne is from Le sang de
Charlemagne. Many documents were made about that family.
Only the links between those persons are fictional, all
the other documents are true. So, I could publish such a
line, using the various actual documents and go back to
Charlemagne and if I present the line correctly, I could
even "prove" it...
Now, presume I published that line in the early 1900s.
How could someone disprove it ? I have seen genealogies
well documented that could be as fictive as this line. So,
one would find all the documents I quoted, but could not
easily discard the link between them (and many RD500 lines
should be like that...).
Denis
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I know this JAREZ line very well - they became Jarez de SAINT PRIEST, and
then much later de ST PRIEST. As you say, the GROLEE line is very well known.
i was about to point out, that is until you mentioned the Jarez line , that
Jarret could well ahve been Jarez!
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Denis Beauregard
soc.genealogy.medieval:
>Denis,
>I know this JAREZ line very well - they became Jarez de SAINT PRIEST, and
>then much later de ST PRIEST. As you say, the GROLEE line is very well known.
>i was about to point out, that is until you mentioned the Jarez line , that
>Jarret could well ahve been Jarez!
I know that !!! The Jarez was very large at some time. It covered
part of Loire and Rhone (42 and 69) departements. So, it is quite
possible that it gave her name to some commoners, I met the name
Jarret in various parts of the area at different times, this before
1500, but I have not enough data to connect them altogether.