Charlton of Middlesex, and later of Sandiacre, Derbyshire

[mj...@btinternet.com]

The Charlton family, sometime of London and Middlesex, saw a rise and
fall in the fortunes during the 15th century, and although they
returned to the ranks of the gentry, never regained their former
pre-eminence.

Can anyone fill in the gaps in the later generations of the family? I
expect that at least Burke's Landed Gentry will have had pedigrees for
the family, but I don't presently have access.

1. Sir Thomas Charlton, MP, died 1445; father of:

2. Sir Thomas Charlton, Speaker of the House of Commons, died 1465;
father of:

3. Sir Richard Charlton, c1450-1485; killed at Bosworth Field;
attained; father of:

4. John Charlton, living 1501

*****

a. Mr Charlton, descendant of the above; died 1578; father of:

b. Thomas Charlton, of Sandiacre, Derbyshire; living 1592; father of:

c. Nicholas Charlton of Chilwell, Notts, living 1620; married 1611
Alice Hanley; parents of:

d. Nicholas Charlton of London, died 1704

Any assistance welcome.

Regards, Michael

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Michael,

My earliest Landed Gentry is 1937 and there are three family entries made,.

I think you are out of luck here.

Charlton of Chilwell
This starts with
Thomas Charleton of Sandiacre, whose father lived in Lancs, b.temp Henry
VIII; m. Elizabeth Gardner, co.Derby (who d.1586), and died 1578, having had
six sons.
The eldest:
Thomas Charleton, of Sandiacre, Risley, and Breaston, b.1562
m.Katherine(d.1644) daughter of William Pymme, whose family was of
Chilwell.He died 29 November 1631. Having had issue
1.Michael, Fellow of Trinity College 1589-1614 unmarried
2.Nicholas of Chilwell, b.1592 whose senior male line appears to have ended
with his great grandson, Nicholas Charleton, 1693-1748 leaving Chilwell to
his cousin.

The cousin is mention but I cannot see the male line from that cousin
linking him with the earlier Charlton.
Both spellings, Charlton and Charleton are used in this family.

Then there is also Charlton of Hesleyside. This family starts in the times
of Richard I all the way to 1937. Sadly I do not see that these two families
are really one.
Leo van de Pas
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[mj...@btinternet.com]

mj...@btinternet.com schrieb:

> The Charlton family, sometime of London and Middlesex, saw a rise and
> fall in the fortunes during the 15th century, and although they
> returned to the ranks of the gentry, never regained their former
> pre-eminence.
>
> Can anyone fill in the gaps in the later generations of the family? I
> expect that at least Burke's Landed Gentry will have had pedigrees for
> the family, but I don't presently have access.
>
> 1. Sir Thomas Charlton, MP, died 1445; father of:
>
> 2. Sir Thomas Charlton, Speaker of the House of Commons, died 1465;
> father of:
>
> 3. Sir Richard Charlton, c1450-1485; killed at Bosworth Field;
> attained; father of:
>
> 4. John Charlton, living 1501
>
> *****
>

> a. Thomas Charlton, died 1578; married Elizabeth Gardner; father of:
>
> b. Thomas Charlton, born 1562; of Sandiacre, Derbyshire; died 1631; married Katherine Pymme; father of:
>
> c. Nicholas Charlton, born 1592; of Chilwell, Notts, living 1620; married 1611

> Alice Hanley; parents of:
>
> d. Nicholas Charlton of London, died 1704

These PROCAT documents fit in nicely - perhaps even the missing
generations:

LR 15/153:

Letters patent exemplifying a writ of certiorari to John Mason, kt,
clerk of parliaments, and returned.
Tenor of an act of parliament, Westminster, 24 Nov 2 Edw VI [1548], in
second session 14 Mar 3 Edw VI [1549], on the restitution in blood of
Edward Charleton, gent. Writ tested at Westminster 26 Feb 6 Edw VI
[1552]. The act on petition of Edward Charleton, gent, son of John
Charleton, esq, son of Sir Richard Charleton, kt, attainted of high
treason, Henry VII. Returned 10 Mar 6 Edw VI [1552].
Note of examination by Richard Rede and Richard Lyell, clerks.

C 89/4/4

An act for the restitution in blood of Edward Charleton Act: 2 & 3 Edw
VI no 43

MA-R

[Tim Powys-Lybbe]

In message of 22 Nov, mj...@btinternet.com wrote:

<chomp>

> C 89/4/4
>
> An act for the restitution in blood of Edward Charleton Act: 2 & 3 Edw
> VI no 43

What is a restitution in blood?

How is it different from a repeal of an attainder?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          t...@powys.org
             For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/

[Tim Powys-Lybbe]

In message of 22 Nov, "Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:

> Dear Michael,
>
> My earliest Landed Gentry is 1937 and there are three family entries made,.
>
> I think you are out of luck here.
>
> Charlton of Chilwell
> This starts with
> Thomas Charleton of Sandiacre, whose father lived in Lancs, b.temp Henry
> VIII; m. Elizabeth Gardner, co.Derby (who d.1586), and died 1578, having had
> six sons.
> The eldest:
> Thomas Charleton, of Sandiacre, Risley, and Breaston, b.1562
> m.Katherine(d.1644) daughter of William Pymme, whose family was of
> Chilwell.He died 29 November 1631. Having had issue
> 1.Michael, Fellow of Trinity College 1589-1614 unmarried
> 2.Nicholas of Chilwell, b.1592 whose senior male line appears to have ended
> with his great grandson, Nicholas Charleton, 1693-1748 leaving Chilwell to
> his cousin.
>
> The cousin is mention but I cannot see the male line from that cousin
> linking him with the earlier Charlton.
> Both spellings, Charlton and Charleton are used in this family.
>
> Then there is also Charlton of Hesleyside. This family starts in the times
> of Richard I all the way to 1937. Sadly I do not see that these two families
> are really one.
> Leo van de Pas

The 1847 LG has no Charltons but the 1879 one has the same Charltons of
Chilwell and of Hesleyside plus the Charlton-Meyricks of Apsley Castle.

Burke's Commoners (ie the first landed gentry, of 1834-8) has some
Charltons of Ludford, Herefords with a "very ancient extraction" though
with an almost unintelligible lineage with no date or much historical
information.

I can't see the connection of any of these to the Charltons of
Middlesex.

[mj...@btinternet.com]

Many thanks for looking, Tim. It seems likely that the father of
Thomas Charlton died 1578 was Edward Charlton, ff 1552, but it remains
possible that their relationship was less direct (eg uncle-nephew).

I'm sorry I can't shed any light on the difference between a
restitution in blood and a reversal of attainder. Perhaps the former
only affects the party named in it rather than all descendants?

MA-R