Eltonhead/Norris
Cristopher Nash
<http://pw2.netcom.com/~enorrste/index.html>
>I looked up the address you gave for "Norris Families in America"
>and found it, but could find no reference to the Eltonhead family.
>
>What am I doing wrong?
You're absolutely right, and I apologize for not having checked again
before posting. Steve Norris' site previously carried 2 main files,
the second of which -- the one titled <The "le Norreys" family in
England from 1135 to 1650>, of some 800+K, of which perhaps half was
devoted to Eltonhead - has evidently been pulled, leaving something
approximating the file on American Norrises only. It may take a
while to see what's up; anyone in contact with Steve Norris might
help here. Meantime, I copy below a quick sum. (mine) of the line as
he had it. (I've kept his numbering.)
Cris
* B1. Ivo le Norreys of Daresbury, Lancashire
b. ca. 1090.
* 1. William de Daresbury of Daresbury and Eltonhead,
Lancashire-living ca. 1180.
* B11. Geoffrey le Norreys of Bereford, Yorkshire. Earliest known
ancestor to carry the name "Norreys" - b. ca. 1110; d. probably
before 1170.
* B111. William le Norreys of Bereford and Osgodby, Yorkshire and
Heaton Norris and Chorlton, Lancashire -b. ca. 1130; d. before 1196.
* B111.1 Hugh le Norreys of Eltonhead, Blackrod, Formby, and Haigh,
Lancashire; and Bereford, Yorkshire-b. ca. 1150; d. 1221
* B111.14 William le Norreys of Eltonhead and Sutton, Lancashire;
also possibly Blyth, Nottinghamshire-living in 1246
* B111.141 Alan le Norreys of Sutton, Eltonhead, and Formby,
Lancashire-b. ca. 1200
* 1. Henry le Norreys of Daresbury, Eltonhead, Eccleston, Rainhill,
and Formby, Lancashire; who became known as Henry Eltonhead-b. ca.
1245; d. after 1320
* 12. Thomas de Eltonhead (d. after 1365)
* 121. John de Eltonhead (d. 1418). He was married to Alice
Brettargh, the daughter of William Brettargh of Brettargh Holt.
* 121.1. John de Eltonhead. In 1417-8 a settlement was made by John
de Eltonhead and Maud his wife.
* 121.11. Henry de Eltonhead.
* 121.112. Nicholas Eltonhead (alive 1428-76). He was married to a
daughter of the Harringtons of Huyton Hey, Lancashire
* 121.112.1. John Eltonhead (d. Oct 1526). He was married to
Margaret Lancaster, the daughter of Richard Lancaster of Rainhill,
Lancashire
* 121.112.11. John Eltonhead. He was married to Elizabeth
Birkenhead, the daughter of Richard Birkenhead of Crowton, Cheshire
* 121.112.111. Richard Eltonhead (b. 1502; d. 1589)
* William Eltonhead (d.1607) was in possession of Eltonhead in 1600
but died shortly thereafter. He was married to Anne Bowers, the
daughter of James Bowers of Brierley, Yorkshire
* Richard Eltonhead (b. 1582; d. after 1664), in 1664, was Lord of
Eltonhead. He was married to Anne Sutton, the daughter of Edward
Sutton of Rushton Spencer, Staffordshire.
Their children were Richard (b. 1611), Jane (married Edward
Walnow), Katherine (married Thomas Meneu of Ireland), Elizabeth
(married Henry Pasham of Wiltshire), Jane (sic)(married Robert
Fenwide), Martha (married Edward Conway of Worcestershire), Alice
(married a Durham), Helen (married Edward Brocas), Agatha (c.
1622-3; married Ralph Wormley of Yorkshire), and Edward (d. 1610).
>From time to time queries have been raised here concerning the line
>of Eltonhead (of Sutton/Eltonhead, Lancs) -- the basis of e.g. Gary
>Boyd Roberts' Eltonhead pedigree in _Royal Descents of 500
>Immigrants_. Valuable contributions have been given by Jon Norris,
>Kathleen Much, Douglas Richardson and others (along with Jean
>Smelker on CompuServe), and I know that Douglas has been actively
>interested in this in updating his work on American ancestries.
>
>There are, however, a number of discrepancies between, for example,
>the sequences appearing in the often-recited pedigree of Richard
>Eltonhead (b. 1582, d. aft. 1664) -- adopted famously by e.g. Hayden
>in _Virginia Genealogies_ -- and Steve Norris' more recent massive
>and richly documented "Norris Families in America"
><http://pw2.netcom.com/~enorrste/index.html>.
>
> E.g. whereas the former gives as the third generation "John
> Eltonhed of Eltonhed gent." ("sonne and heir" of Thomas Eltonhed),
> the latter gives two John de Eltonheads, viz. John who d. 1418,
> m. Alice Bretargh, and John who m. Maud and made a settlement in
> 1417-18.
>
>Before beginning work on this line, I wonder if anyone here has done
>more to reconcile/straighten out some of these with a more
>'definitive' (!) sequence in mind?
>
>Obviously any further research on relations between the earliest
>generation in the Richard Eltonhead pedigree and the previous 7
>generations of Norris/Norreys (to Ivo le Norreys of Danesbury, b.
>ca. 1090) offered by Steve Norris would be particularly interesting.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Cris
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Cristopher Nash
easy route I'd expected to the actual voluminous Eltonhead file by
Steve Norris, I inadvertently omitted one phrase of particular
interest to American Eltonhead descendents, viz. another child of the
last Richard Eltonhead (b. 1582; d. after 1664), given immediately
before his son Edward:
Martha (married Edward Conway of Worcestershire)
and, I add, of Virginia.
Cheers,
Cris
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"Clagett, Brice" <bcla...@cov.com> wrote --
>Many thanks for your very helpful reply. I'll let you know if I turn
>up anything of interest.
Chris Phillips
Cris Nash wrote:
> Steve Norris' site previously carried 2 main files,
> the second of which -- the one titled <The "le Norreys" family in
> England from 1135 to 1650>, of some 800+K, of which perhaps half was
> devoted to Eltonhead - has evidently been pulled, leaving something
> approximating the file on American Norrises only. It may take a
> while to see what's up; anyone in contact with Steve Norris might
> help here. Meantime, I copy below a quick sum. (mine) of the line as
> he had it. (I've kept his numbering.)
The problem seems to be that Steven Norris has used several different
domains, and the links have got muddled between them. I contacted him a
while ago about this, and both the articles are still available, at:
http://hometown.aol.com/norrste/myhomepage/norreys1.html
http://hometown.aol.com/norrste/myhomepage/noers.html
(but unfortunately the main page on aol points back to defunct versions on
Geocities).
I think these are the two files you mean, anyway - the "norreys1" file has a
lot of Eltonhead references.
Chris Phillips
Cristopher Nash
Thanks a lot for spotting this, Chris, and yes,
http://hometown.aol.com/norrste/myhomepage/norreys1.html is a way to
the correct file. And yes, as you say, unfortunately the main page
on aol points back to defunct versions on Geocities. What this means
is that only 'Part One', covering the earliest 5 generations in this
line, can be brought up -- leaving 14 subsequent generations,
including the 13 carrying the surname Eltonhead. This is what in the
trade is technically called a bummer.
Do I gather right, that Steven Norris has no plans/solutions for a
workable link to Part Two? Or would you suggest someone else - such
as yrs trly - follow up in your place, via some addr. for him you'd
feel able to give?
Cheers,
Cris
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