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sangreel
Aug 26, 2012, 6:54:52 PM8/26/12
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My fellow researchers,
I have need of your help. I have been researching Cuthbert Langton in order to flesh out the Fitz-Randolph pedigree. I see in Roberts "Royal Descents,..600, ver 2008" Page 431, That generation 14 has Christopher FitzRandolph being married to a Jane Langton. My research is leaning to this Jane Langton being the daughter of Cuthbert Langton. Some of my sources are:
http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=(AltRefNo=='Mi D 741')
DocumentRef Mi D 741 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/741 (View collection tree)
Title: Letter of attorney, Cuthbert Langton to Oliver Gollande.
Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
DatesOfCreation 15 May 1522
Content
Description: Cutbert Langton, gentleman, appoints Oliver Gollande of Wollaton, Nottinghamshire, gentleman, as his attorney to attend the manor court of Manncefeld and receive possession and seisin of one messuage, one close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow and 40 acres of land with appurtenances in Durty Huknall [Hucknall under Huthwaite] within the manor, which Cristofer FytzRandalff claimed unlawfully, and which was proved at Westminster in Trinity term 13 Henry VIII [see Mi D 740].
Terms: to be held to the use of Cutbert Langton and his heirs and assigns for ever.
Date: 15 May 14 Henry VIII Language Latin Condition Good PhysicalDescription Endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
***
http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=(AltRefNo=='Mi D 740')
DocumentRef Mi D 740 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/740 (View collection tree) Title:
Arbitration award between Cuthbert Langton and Christopher Fitzrandolph. Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Dates Of Creation: 14 July 1521
Content:
Description:
Award in a matter of variance, controversy and debate between Cutbert Langton, complainant, against Cristofer FitzRandal, defendant.
Concerns the right, title, interest, use and possession of a messuage and close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow, with 40 acres of land lying in Durty Hoknole [Hucknall under Huthwaite] in the manor of Mannesfelde, Nottinghamshire;
Recites that Cristofer married Jane, one of Cutbert's daughters, and that Cristofer alleges that Cutbert gave all the premises to Cristofer and Jane and their heirs after the custom of the manor, and surrendered the same at a court held Thursday after the purification of our Lady 8 Henry VIII;
Recites that Cutbert denies the surrender and that it has been discovered that the surrender was made 'only by the crafty contryving and untrue dealing of the forsaid Xpfre FitzRandall and at his request and desire Wtout consent or knowlege of the said Cutbert';
Orders that FitzRandall's tenants depart the premises by Michaelmas next, and Cutbert be permitted to take peaceful possession.
Date: 14 July 13 Henry VIII Language English Term legal business, arbitration Term disputes, property, arbitration Condition Good PhysicalDescription Signed by James Stokisley; endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
***
So, if these documents are in fact true and this Christopher Fitz Randolph is the same person who married Jane Langton then next I must find the father of Cuthbert Langton. I did find a notation of a Thomas Langton who is noted to have as a son and heir Cuthbert Langton, next cited, but I need the full record and I can't open the book on google books:
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
Page 523
Thomas Langton of Kyrkby? [The name is cut in half on the page snip]
Inquisiton virtute officii [spelling]
Friday after all Saints, 21 H. VII
He died 12 April H. VII seised in fee of the under mentioned messuags & etc...
Cuthbert langton aged 26 years and more his son and heir...
http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%22&dq=%22cuthbert+langton%22&source=bl&ots=PzfAP9PGIx&sig=SqPUKZIpewP98IncLv8A4P0W3r0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FpM6UKXLOMisiAKFz4GQDQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAzgK
Does anyone here have access to a full copy of this record? If so, i will be able to add another generation to this line. As the Langton family is a old family we may be able to add many more generations.
further sources of information as to the Fitz-Randolph / Langton connection, etc:
The visitations of the county of Nottingham in the years 1569 and 1614: with ...
By Harleian Society
Page 187 Fitz-Randolph pedigree
http://books.google.com/books?id=ofsUAAAAQAAJ&dq=Cuthbert%20Langton&lr&pg=PA187#v=onepage&q=Cuthbert%20Langton&f=false\
***
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-2443452&CATLN=7&accessmethod=5&j=1
Item reference C 1/600/5
Short title: Langton v Kyrkby. Plaintiffs: Cuthbert L[angt]on. Defendants: Robert Kyrkby of Bulwell, feoffee to uses. ...
Context
C Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions
Division within C Records of Equity Side: the Six Clerks
C 1 Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Early Proceedings, Richard II to Philip and Mary
C 1/600 Chancery pleadings addressed to Thomas Wolsey, Archbishop of York, Cardinal and Papal Legate as Lord Chancellor. Detailed descriptions at item level
Top of page
Record Summary
Scope and content
Short title: Langton v Kyrkby.
Plaintiffs: Cuthbert L[angt]on.
Defendants: Robert Kyrkby of Bulwell, feoffee to uses.
Subject: Refusal to convey the manors of Westwood Hall, alias Langton Hall, and Birchwood, and land in Westwood Hall, Byrchelenall, Hucknall Torkard, Mansfield Woodhouse, Kirkby in Ashfield, Watnall-Chaworth and [Beskwode]. Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire
Covering dates 1518-1529
Note Mutilated.
Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status Public Record(s)
***
History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
By Robert Thoroton
Page 296
b John Langton of Kirkeby about 9 H 6 held when he died one mess called Langton Place and fix Closes with the appurtenances of Elizabeth and Margery daughters and heirs of Philip Darcy by the service of the hundredth part of a Knights Fee Richard Langton was then his son and heir.
There is an ancient House and Demesnes within Kirkeby called Langton Hall alias Well wood it was granted out by John Lord Stotevile in Henry the seconds time I suppose it should be Henry the thirds and so it first was written to Richard son of Hugh de Ruddington and his heirs by particular metes and bounds and shortly after this Rudding ton granted the said Lands to Geoffrey de Langton reciting the former grant from the Lord Stotevile to him and that he was in scsin thereof 34 H 2 34 H 3 rather In Langtons family it continued till Henry the eighths time that Cuthbert Langton dying without issue male it fell to Fitz Randolph by the marriage of Langtons daughtet and heir in whose name it continued till of late c Cuthbert Langton 6 H 8 of Midleton in the County of Warwick Gent enfeossed John Markham John Zouch Knights John Willowby John Fitz Randolph Edward Willowby Nicolas Strelley Esquire John Savidge &c in his Mannor of Langton Hall Weflwood Lands in Huknall Torkard Durty Huknall Maunsfeild Woodbouse Kirkeby in AJbseild and Watnov Chaworth in the County of Nott and Birchvcood in the County of Darby And there were Covenants of marriage between Christopher Fitz Randolph on the one part and the said Cuthbert Langton on the other for Christopher cousin of the said Christopher and Joane one of the daughters and heirs appatentof the said Cuthbert.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xD4uAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA296&ots=qdgFazV-Ce&dq=langton%20hall%20nottinghamshire&pg=PA296#v=onepage&q=langton%20hall%20nottinghamshire&f=false
***
The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ...
By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall
Page 194
http://books.google.com/books?id=59XcwoRK9jkC&lpg=PA194&ots=KGlopsc_7r&dq=%22cuthbert%20langton%22&pg=PA194#v=onepage&q=%22cuthbert%20langton%22&f=false
***
Thank You for any help you may be able to give,
Michael D. Warner
I have need of your help. I have been researching Cuthbert Langton in order to flesh out the Fitz-Randolph pedigree. I see in Roberts "Royal Descents,..600, ver 2008" Page 431, That generation 14 has Christopher FitzRandolph being married to a Jane Langton. My research is leaning to this Jane Langton being the daughter of Cuthbert Langton. Some of my sources are:
http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=(AltRefNo=='Mi D 741')
DocumentRef Mi D 741 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/741 (View collection tree)
Title: Letter of attorney, Cuthbert Langton to Oliver Gollande.
Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
DatesOfCreation 15 May 1522
Content
Description: Cutbert Langton, gentleman, appoints Oliver Gollande of Wollaton, Nottinghamshire, gentleman, as his attorney to attend the manor court of Manncefeld and receive possession and seisin of one messuage, one close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow and 40 acres of land with appurtenances in Durty Huknall [Hucknall under Huthwaite] within the manor, which Cristofer FytzRandalff claimed unlawfully, and which was proved at Westminster in Trinity term 13 Henry VIII [see Mi D 740].
Terms: to be held to the use of Cutbert Langton and his heirs and assigns for ever.
Date: 15 May 14 Henry VIII Language Latin Condition Good PhysicalDescription Endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
***
http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=(AltRefNo=='Mi D 740')
DocumentRef Mi D 740 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/740 (View collection tree) Title:
Arbitration award between Cuthbert Langton and Christopher Fitzrandolph. Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Dates Of Creation: 14 July 1521
Content:
Description:
Award in a matter of variance, controversy and debate between Cutbert Langton, complainant, against Cristofer FitzRandal, defendant.
Concerns the right, title, interest, use and possession of a messuage and close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow, with 40 acres of land lying in Durty Hoknole [Hucknall under Huthwaite] in the manor of Mannesfelde, Nottinghamshire;
Recites that Cristofer married Jane, one of Cutbert's daughters, and that Cristofer alleges that Cutbert gave all the premises to Cristofer and Jane and their heirs after the custom of the manor, and surrendered the same at a court held Thursday after the purification of our Lady 8 Henry VIII;
Recites that Cutbert denies the surrender and that it has been discovered that the surrender was made 'only by the crafty contryving and untrue dealing of the forsaid Xpfre FitzRandall and at his request and desire Wtout consent or knowlege of the said Cutbert';
Orders that FitzRandall's tenants depart the premises by Michaelmas next, and Cutbert be permitted to take peaceful possession.
Date: 14 July 13 Henry VIII Language English Term legal business, arbitration Term disputes, property, arbitration Condition Good PhysicalDescription Signed by James Stokisley; endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
***
So, if these documents are in fact true and this Christopher Fitz Randolph is the same person who married Jane Langton then next I must find the father of Cuthbert Langton. I did find a notation of a Thomas Langton who is noted to have as a son and heir Cuthbert Langton, next cited, but I need the full record and I can't open the book on google books:
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
Page 523
Thomas Langton of Kyrkby? [The name is cut in half on the page snip]
Inquisiton virtute officii [spelling]
Friday after all Saints, 21 H. VII
He died 12 April H. VII seised in fee of the under mentioned messuags & etc...
Cuthbert langton aged 26 years and more his son and heir...
http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%22&dq=%22cuthbert+langton%22&source=bl&ots=PzfAP9PGIx&sig=SqPUKZIpewP98IncLv8A4P0W3r0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FpM6UKXLOMisiAKFz4GQDQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAzgK
Does anyone here have access to a full copy of this record? If so, i will be able to add another generation to this line. As the Langton family is a old family we may be able to add many more generations.
further sources of information as to the Fitz-Randolph / Langton connection, etc:
The visitations of the county of Nottingham in the years 1569 and 1614: with ...
By Harleian Society
Page 187 Fitz-Randolph pedigree
http://books.google.com/books?id=ofsUAAAAQAAJ&dq=Cuthbert%20Langton&lr&pg=PA187#v=onepage&q=Cuthbert%20Langton&f=false\
***
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-2443452&CATLN=7&accessmethod=5&j=1
Item reference C 1/600/5
Short title: Langton v Kyrkby. Plaintiffs: Cuthbert L[angt]on. Defendants: Robert Kyrkby of Bulwell, feoffee to uses. ...
Context
C Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions
Division within C Records of Equity Side: the Six Clerks
C 1 Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Early Proceedings, Richard II to Philip and Mary
C 1/600 Chancery pleadings addressed to Thomas Wolsey, Archbishop of York, Cardinal and Papal Legate as Lord Chancellor. Detailed descriptions at item level
Top of page
Record Summary
Scope and content
Short title: Langton v Kyrkby.
Plaintiffs: Cuthbert L[angt]on.
Defendants: Robert Kyrkby of Bulwell, feoffee to uses.
Subject: Refusal to convey the manors of Westwood Hall, alias Langton Hall, and Birchwood, and land in Westwood Hall, Byrchelenall, Hucknall Torkard, Mansfield Woodhouse, Kirkby in Ashfield, Watnall-Chaworth and [Beskwode]. Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire
Covering dates 1518-1529
Note Mutilated.
Held by
The National Archives, Kew
Legal status Public Record(s)
***
History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
By Robert Thoroton
Page 296
b John Langton of Kirkeby about 9 H 6 held when he died one mess called Langton Place and fix Closes with the appurtenances of Elizabeth and Margery daughters and heirs of Philip Darcy by the service of the hundredth part of a Knights Fee Richard Langton was then his son and heir.
There is an ancient House and Demesnes within Kirkeby called Langton Hall alias Well wood it was granted out by John Lord Stotevile in Henry the seconds time I suppose it should be Henry the thirds and so it first was written to Richard son of Hugh de Ruddington and his heirs by particular metes and bounds and shortly after this Rudding ton granted the said Lands to Geoffrey de Langton reciting the former grant from the Lord Stotevile to him and that he was in scsin thereof 34 H 2 34 H 3 rather In Langtons family it continued till Henry the eighths time that Cuthbert Langton dying without issue male it fell to Fitz Randolph by the marriage of Langtons daughtet and heir in whose name it continued till of late c Cuthbert Langton 6 H 8 of Midleton in the County of Warwick Gent enfeossed John Markham John Zouch Knights John Willowby John Fitz Randolph Edward Willowby Nicolas Strelley Esquire John Savidge &c in his Mannor of Langton Hall Weflwood Lands in Huknall Torkard Durty Huknall Maunsfeild Woodbouse Kirkeby in AJbseild and Watnov Chaworth in the County of Nott and Birchvcood in the County of Darby And there were Covenants of marriage between Christopher Fitz Randolph on the one part and the said Cuthbert Langton on the other for Christopher cousin of the said Christopher and Joane one of the daughters and heirs appatentof the said Cuthbert.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xD4uAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA296&ots=qdgFazV-Ce&dq=langton%20hall%20nottinghamshire&pg=PA296#v=onepage&q=langton%20hall%20nottinghamshire&f=false
***
The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ...
By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall
Page 194
http://books.google.com/books?id=59XcwoRK9jkC&lpg=PA194&ots=KGlopsc_7r&dq=%22cuthbert%20langton%22&pg=PA194#v=onepage&q=%22cuthbert%20langton%22&f=false
***
Thank You for any help you may be able to give,
Michael D. Warner
sangreel
Aug 26, 2012, 8:30:05 PM8/26/12
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I found this web site that makes a claim that Cuthbert Langton is the son of
Richard Langton, of Kirkeby, Nottinghamshire and taking the line back to Geoffrey De Langton cir. 1250.
http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/other/langton/humogen/family/humo_/F1834/I5393/
Richard Langton, of Kirkeby, Nottinghamshire and taking the line back to Geoffrey De Langton cir. 1250.
http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/other/langton/humogen/family/humo_/F1834/I5393/
J Cook
Aug 27, 2012, 7:55:40 AM8/27/12
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On Aug 26, 8:30 pm, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
> I found this web site that makes a claim that Cuthbert Langton is the son of
> Richard Langton, of Kirkeby, Nottinghamshire and taking the line back to Geoffrey De Langton cir. 1250.
Also:
> I found this web site that makes a claim that Cuthbert Langton is the son of
> Richard Langton, of Kirkeby, Nottinghamshire and taking the line back to Geoffrey De Langton cir. 1250.
"31 May 29 Hen. VIII. 1537
These documents are held at Nottinghamshire Archives
Language: Latin
Contents:
Copy court roll, Manor of Mannesfeld.
1) Christopher Fytzrandall and wife Johanna admitted.
Lands of late Cuthbert Langton, father of Johanna, in Sutton in
Aschefeld, Hucknall and Huthwayte."
sangreel
Aug 27, 2012, 9:56:47 PM8/27/12
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I have found many more sources for the Langton family, but if they apply to the Langton family, Ie: Cuthbert Langton, only further research will determine.
I have accepted that Cuthbert is in fact the father of Jane Langton, wife to Christpoher Fitz Randolph /Fytzrandall.
I am still looking for the complete copy of the below cites record as it MAY show his father as Thomas, while other web sites, [lacking adiquite sources] show the father as Richard or Robert:
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
Page 523
http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%22&dq=%22cuthbert+langton%22&source=bl&ots=PzfAP9PGIx&sig=SqPUKZIpewP98IncLv8A4P0W3r0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FpM6UKXLOMisiAKFz4GQDQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAzgK
***
Here is another Langton pedigree for the Langton family, but how they may fit in is dependent on the true name of Cuthberts father:
TOPOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL ACCOUNT or WAINFLEET AND THE WAPENTAKE OF CANDLESHOE IN THE COUNTY OF LINCOLN, WITH ENGRAVINGS BY EDMUND OLDFIELD
By Edmund Oldfield (of Long Sutton.)
Page 207
The subjoined Pedigree of the ancient family of Langton named in the opposite page with the accompanying notes were obligingly furnished by the Rev Robert Uvedale MA of Lout...
http://books.google.com/books?id=4oQuAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA406&ots=fh7LT3h84T&dq=pedigree%20%22langton%20family%22&pg=PA207#v=onepage&q=pedigree%20%22langton%20family%22&f=false
Any help obtaining the record cited above would of course be of great worth. Thank you all in advance for your help. I will of course keep on searching.
MDW
I have accepted that Cuthbert is in fact the father of Jane Langton, wife to Christpoher Fitz Randolph /Fytzrandall.
I am still looking for the complete copy of the below cites record as it MAY show his father as Thomas, while other web sites, [lacking adiquite sources] show the father as Richard or Robert:
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
Page 523
***
Here is another Langton pedigree for the Langton family, but how they may fit in is dependent on the true name of Cuthberts father:
TOPOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL ACCOUNT or WAINFLEET AND THE WAPENTAKE OF CANDLESHOE IN THE COUNTY OF LINCOLN, WITH ENGRAVINGS BY EDMUND OLDFIELD
By Edmund Oldfield (of Long Sutton.)
Page 207
The subjoined Pedigree of the ancient family of Langton named in the opposite page with the accompanying notes were obligingly furnished by the Rev Robert Uvedale MA of Lout...
http://books.google.com/books?id=4oQuAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA406&ots=fh7LT3h84T&dq=pedigree%20%22langton%20family%22&pg=PA207#v=onepage&q=pedigree%20%22langton%20family%22&f=false
Any help obtaining the record cited above would of course be of great worth. Thank you all in advance for your help. I will of course keep on searching.
MDW
sangreel
Aug 27, 2012, 10:12:12 PM8/27/12
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Forgive my spelling errors.... hard to type and hold a grandchild. :0
J Cook
Aug 28, 2012, 8:14:50 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 27, 9:56 pm, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
> I have found many more sources for the Langton family, but if they apply to the Langton family, Ie: Cuthbert Langton, only further research will determine.
>
> I have accepted that Cuthbert is in fact the father of Jane Langton, wife to Christpoher Fitz Randolph /Fytzrandall.
>
> I am still looking for the complete copy of the below cites record as it MAY show his father as Thomas, while other web sites, [lacking adiquite sources] show the father as Richard or Robert:
>
> Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
> Page 523http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
> I have found many more sources for the Langton family, but if they apply to the Langton family, Ie: Cuthbert Langton, only further research will determine.
>
> I have accepted that Cuthbert is in fact the father of Jane Langton, wife to Christpoher Fitz Randolph /Fytzrandall.
>
> I am still looking for the complete copy of the below cites record as it MAY show his father as Thomas, while other web sites, [lacking adiquite sources] show the father as Richard or Robert:
>
> Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
> ***
Honestly, I think that snippit is showing the entire record for
"Thomas Langton of Kyrkby" . I suppose there could be more after this
snippit, but it does say Cuthbert is the son of Thomas.
J Cook
Aug 28, 2012, 8:30:05 AM8/28/12
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John Langton, son of John Langton, and a Joan Neleson, daughter of
William Neleson "of York" who was the wife of Richard Langton, jr. 29
sept 22 Henry VII. It also says that this Richard Langton,jr. was
the son of Richard Langton "the elder"
"Richard Langton, the younger, is his son and heir male of his body,
and was married to Joan daughter of William Neleson during his
father's lifetime. The said Richard the younger was 12 years of age
and more at the time of his father's death."
Also another entry says that the Thomas Langton who held lands with
Ralph Beeston was Thomas Langton, son of John Langton.
smith....@gmail.com
Aug 28, 2012, 12:08:49 PM8/28/12
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Doug Smith
MILLARD A.R.
Aug 29, 2012, 4:25:59 AM8/29/12
to gen-me...@rootsweb.com
> From: J Cook [mailto:joe...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 August 2012 13:15
1029. THOMAS LANGTON OF KYRKBY
Inquisition virtute officii, Friday after All Saints, 21 Henry VII
He died 12 April, 4 Henry VII, seised in fee of the under-mentioned
messuages &c. Cuthbert Langton, aged 26 years and more, is his son and heir.
[p.524]
NOTTINGHAM. A messuage, a cottage, 40a. land, 13a. meadow and 15a.
pasture in Hokenall Torker', worth 23s., held of the king in chief, as of the
honor of Peverell, by knight-service.
A messuage, 23 bovates of land and 27a. pasture in Kyrkeby, worth
10 marks, held of Thomas, lord Darcy, by knight-service.
E. Series II. File 730. (13.)
Best wishes
Andrew
--
Andrew Millard - A.R.M...@durham.ac.uk
Bodimeade genealogy: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/
> Sent: 28 August 2012 13:15
>
> > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved
> in the Public Record Office: Henry VII Page 523
> http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
>
> > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved
> in the Public Record Office: Henry VII Page 523
> http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
>
> Honestly, I think that snippit is showing the entire record for
> "Thomas Langton of Kyrkby" . I suppose there could be more after this
> snippit, but it does say Cuthbert is the son of Thomas.
The full entry reads:
> "Thomas Langton of Kyrkby" . I suppose there could be more after this
> snippit, but it does say Cuthbert is the son of Thomas.
1029. THOMAS LANGTON OF KYRKBY
Inquisition virtute officii, Friday after All Saints, 21 Henry VII
He died 12 April, 4 Henry VII, seised in fee of the under-mentioned
messuages &c. Cuthbert Langton, aged 26 years and more, is his son and heir.
[p.524]
NOTTINGHAM. A messuage, a cottage, 40a. land, 13a. meadow and 15a.
pasture in Hokenall Torker', worth 23s., held of the king in chief, as of the
honor of Peverell, by knight-service.
A messuage, 23 bovates of land and 27a. pasture in Kyrkeby, worth
10 marks, held of Thomas, lord Darcy, by knight-service.
E. Series II. File 730. (13.)
Best wishes
Andrew
--
Andrew Millard - A.R.M...@durham.ac.uk
Bodimeade genealogy: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
GenUKI Middx + London: http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/ + ../LND/
John Watson
Aug 29, 2012, 7:13:51 AM8/29/12
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On Aug 29, 3:26 pm, "MILLARD A.R." <a.r.mill...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > From: J Cook [mailto:joec...@gmail.com]
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/523/mode/1up
Regards,
John
> > From: J Cook [mailto:joec...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 28 August 2012 13:15
>
> > > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved
> > in the Public Record Office: Henry VII Page 523
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
>
> > Honestly, I think that snippit is showing the entire record for
> > "Thomas Langton of Kyrkby" . I suppose there could be more after this
> > snippit, but it does say Cuthbert is the son of Thomas.
>
> The full entry reads:
>
> 1029. THOMAS LANGTON OF KYRKBY
> Inquisition virtute officii, Friday after All Saints, 21 Henry VII
> He died 12 April, 4 Henry VII, seised in fee of the under-mentioned
> messuages &c. Cuthbert Langton, aged 26 years and more, is his son and heir.
> [p.524]
> NOTTINGHAM. A messuage, a cottage, 40a. land, 13a. meadow and 15a.
> pasture in Hokenall Torker', worth 23s., held of the king in chief, as of the
> honor of Peverell, by knight-service.
> A messuage, 23 bovates of land and 27a. pasture in Kyrkeby, worth
> 10 marks, held of Thomas, lord Darcy, by knight-service.
> E. Series II. File 730. (13.)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Andrew
> --
> Andrew Millard - A.R.Mill...@durham.ac.uk
>
> > > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved
> > in the Public Record Office: Henry VII Page 523
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
>
> > Honestly, I think that snippit is showing the entire record for
> > "Thomas Langton of Kyrkby" . I suppose there could be more after this
> > snippit, but it does say Cuthbert is the son of Thomas.
>
> The full entry reads:
>
> 1029. THOMAS LANGTON OF KYRKBY
> Inquisition virtute officii, Friday after All Saints, 21 Henry VII
> He died 12 April, 4 Henry VII, seised in fee of the under-mentioned
> messuages &c. Cuthbert Langton, aged 26 years and more, is his son and heir.
> [p.524]
> NOTTINGHAM. A messuage, a cottage, 40a. land, 13a. meadow and 15a.
> pasture in Hokenall Torker', worth 23s., held of the king in chief, as of the
> honor of Peverell, by knight-service.
> A messuage, 23 bovates of land and 27a. pasture in Kyrkeby, worth
> 10 marks, held of Thomas, lord Darcy, by knight-service.
> E. Series II. File 730. (13.)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Andrew
> --
> Bodimeade genealogy: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/
> My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
> GenUKI Middx + London:http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/+ ../LND/
Or you can read it online at archive.org:
> My family history: http://community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/
> GenUKI Middx + London:http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/MDX/+ ../LND/
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/523/mode/1up
Regards,
John
sangreel
Aug 29, 2012, 9:04:25 PM8/29/12
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Thank you. I like having the full notation for my records. This will give me more places to locate records that will enable me to locate his mother and grandfather....etc.
MDW
MDW
sangreel
Aug 29, 2012, 11:17:51 PM8/29/12
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I have, what I feel is a clear perspective of the Langton tree and will prepare a posting on it this week. I must thank all who have helped as without you help I may NOT have been able to crack this. IF, and I must state, IF I am correct this line leads to Sir Robert Nevill and Margaret his wife daughter of Sir William Pole. IF, and I must state that I have a few more dots to dot and T's to cross, we MAY have another line that leads to Royalty and thus further back.
The clues started with:
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/523/mode/1up
and
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/159/mode/1up/search/langton
leading to
http://books.google.com/books?id=PthAAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=DgpwtxTx4L&dq=%22john%20langton%22%26%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=%22john%20langton%22&%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
to
http://books.google.com/books?id=x-0GAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA232&ots=LWZXnifhHZ&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
right back to
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJIorqLF&dq=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
Sometimes its the connecting families that sew up the pedigree. [Danby]
I may be way in left field with the sun in my eyes, but, I have a very good feeling on this matter. Wish me luck.
MDW
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:13:51 AM UTC-7, John Watson wrote:
The clues started with:
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/523/mode/1up
and
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/159/mode/1up/search/langton
leading to
http://books.google.com/books?id=PthAAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=DgpwtxTx4L&dq=%22john%20langton%22%26%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=%22john%20langton%22&%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
to
http://books.google.com/books?id=x-0GAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA232&ots=LWZXnifhHZ&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
right back to
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJIorqLF&dq=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
Sometimes its the connecting families that sew up the pedigree. [Danby]
I may be way in left field with the sun in my eyes, but, I have a very good feeling on this matter. Wish me luck.
MDW
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:13:51 AM UTC-7, John Watson wrote:
sangreel
Aug 29, 2012, 11:32:33 PM8/29/12
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I left out:
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/262/mode/1up/search/langton
The Publications of the Thoresby Society, Volume 2
By Thoresby Society
Page 41
On a faire Tombe Hic jacent Johannes Langton miles et Eufemia vxor sua qui obierunt vicesimo quinto die mensis ffebruarij A0 Dfii millesimo cccc quinquagesimo nono quorum animabus propitietur Deus
A faire Stone by Hic jacent Johannes Langton armiger filius et heres Johannis militis et Agnes vxor ejus qui obierunt in festo Sti Lamberti episcopi et martyris A0 Domini Mecccclxvij quorum animabus propitietur Deus
*
Page 49
Vol 30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258 Eufemia relicta Langton militis by will dated 26 Aug 1463 desires to be buried the church of the parish of Ledes
Names
Eufemia Darcy
Margaret Mering 1
son John Langton
son Henry Langton
son William Langton
son Thomas Langton
Thomas Langton son of John my son
Nicholas Langton son of the said John Langton
Richard Henry sons of the said John Langton
Wm Vavasour
John Hemeslay
Eufemia Flemming
Eufemia Waterton
Isabella Vavasour wife of Vavasour
Brother John Multon doctor sacree sciencioe [Could this be he blood brother, and would that make her surname "Multon?]
Thos vicar of Leeds
Robt Calbeck capellanus
Robt Ledes
Margt
Thomas Fell and Eufemia Waterton daughter of Richard
Proved 24 Nov 1463
Notes
Euphemia widow of Sir John of Farnley
Her maiden name is unknown
Her husband died 25 Feb 1459 and was buried at Leeds
Euphemia Langton dau of married William afterwards Sir William Darcy grandson and heir Sir John Darcy Kt licensed to be married in the chapel of 23 Jan 1460
1 Margaret Mering probably of the family of Nottinghamshire
John Langton son and heir of testatrix did long survive her his will is dated 1466 4 Aug 1476
Wm of Sherburn administered to the effects of Henry Langton Sherburn
Vol 30 fo 277
Will of me
John Langton squyer son and heir John Langton Kt made 22 Dec 6 Edw IV
To be buried in church of Leeds where Agnes his late wife is buried
Sir Hy Sir Robert Danby Kt and his son James Agnes daughter to son John Langton now dead and now wife of the said James Danby
brothers Thomas Langton
and William Langton
Sir Robert Nevill Margaret his wife daughter of Sir William Pole
Note
John testator's eldest son died ten years before and by his will dated 4 Dec 1452 desired to be buried in All Saints in the Marsh in the city York Names Joan his sister and John Langton his father.
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=langton&f=false
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MDW
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/262/mode/1up/search/langton
The Publications of the Thoresby Society, Volume 2
By Thoresby Society
Page 41
On a faire Tombe Hic jacent Johannes Langton miles et Eufemia vxor sua qui obierunt vicesimo quinto die mensis ffebruarij A0 Dfii millesimo cccc quinquagesimo nono quorum animabus propitietur Deus
A faire Stone by Hic jacent Johannes Langton armiger filius et heres Johannis militis et Agnes vxor ejus qui obierunt in festo Sti Lamberti episcopi et martyris A0 Domini Mecccclxvij quorum animabus propitietur Deus
*
Page 49
Vol 30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258 Eufemia relicta Langton militis by will dated 26 Aug 1463 desires to be buried the church of the parish of Ledes
Names
Eufemia Darcy
Margaret Mering 1
son John Langton
son Henry Langton
son William Langton
son Thomas Langton
Thomas Langton son of John my son
Nicholas Langton son of the said John Langton
Richard Henry sons of the said John Langton
Wm Vavasour
John Hemeslay
Eufemia Flemming
Eufemia Waterton
Isabella Vavasour wife of Vavasour
Brother John Multon doctor sacree sciencioe [Could this be he blood brother, and would that make her surname "Multon?]
Thos vicar of Leeds
Robt Calbeck capellanus
Robt Ledes
Margt
Thomas Fell and Eufemia Waterton daughter of Richard
Proved 24 Nov 1463
Notes
Euphemia widow of Sir John of Farnley
Her maiden name is unknown
Her husband died 25 Feb 1459 and was buried at Leeds
Euphemia Langton dau of married William afterwards Sir William Darcy grandson and heir Sir John Darcy Kt licensed to be married in the chapel of 23 Jan 1460
1 Margaret Mering probably of the family of Nottinghamshire
John Langton son and heir of testatrix did long survive her his will is dated 1466 4 Aug 1476
Wm of Sherburn administered to the effects of Henry Langton Sherburn
Vol 30 fo 277
Will of me
John Langton squyer son and heir John Langton Kt made 22 Dec 6 Edw IV
To be buried in church of Leeds where Agnes his late wife is buried
Sir Hy Sir Robert Danby Kt and his son James Agnes daughter to son John Langton now dead and now wife of the said James Danby
brothers Thomas Langton
and William Langton
Sir Robert Nevill Margaret his wife daughter of Sir William Pole
Note
John testator's eldest son died ten years before and by his will dated 4 Dec 1452 desired to be buried in All Saints in the Marsh in the city York Names Joan his sister and John Langton his father.
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=langton&f=false
***
MDW
sangreel
Aug 30, 2012, 11:41:55 AM8/30/12
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Fellow Researchers,
This is my working pedigree for Cuthbert Langton father of Joan(Jane)Langton
who mar. Christopher Fitz-Randolph. I have some "fleshing out" to do, sources and proofs of birth, death, etc., but from what I have been able to gather in the last 6 weeks, this should stand up. The main issues is the link from Thomas Langton to his father John Langton and then to his father, Sir.John Langton who married Joan Neville da. of Sir Robert Neville. I will post my sources in the coming days, but I MUST take a break for a day or so.
King John "Lackland" Plantagenet = Agatha De Ferrers (or Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel)
(Sir.?)Geoffrey De Neville = Joan Plantagenet
Sir. Geoffrey Neville = Margaret De Longvillers
Sir. Robert Neville = Isabel De Byron
Sir. Robert Neville = Joan De Atherton
Sir. Robert Neville of Hornby, Lancashire, England = Margaret De La Pole
Sir. John Langton = Joan Neville
John Langton Esq. = Euphemia [have hint as to father, further research needed]
Thomas Langton = Margaret de la Pont
Cuthbert Langton = ? [must locate wife]
Joan Langton = Christopher Fitz-Randolph
This is my working pedigree for Cuthbert Langton father of Joan(Jane)Langton
who mar. Christopher Fitz-Randolph. I have some "fleshing out" to do, sources and proofs of birth, death, etc., but from what I have been able to gather in the last 6 weeks, this should stand up. The main issues is the link from Thomas Langton to his father John Langton and then to his father, Sir.John Langton who married Joan Neville da. of Sir Robert Neville. I will post my sources in the coming days, but I MUST take a break for a day or so.
King John "Lackland" Plantagenet = Agatha De Ferrers (or Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel)
(Sir.?)Geoffrey De Neville = Joan Plantagenet
Sir. Geoffrey Neville = Margaret De Longvillers
Sir. Robert Neville = Isabel De Byron
Sir. Robert Neville = Joan De Atherton
Sir. Robert Neville of Hornby, Lancashire, England = Margaret De La Pole
Sir. John Langton = Joan Neville
John Langton Esq. = Euphemia [have hint as to father, further research needed]
Thomas Langton = Margaret de la Pont
Cuthbert Langton = ? [must locate wife]
Joan Langton = Christopher Fitz-Randolph
sangreel
Aug 30, 2012, 12:09:55 PM8/30/12
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I may have made a error in naming Margaret de la Pont as the husband of Thomas.
Research to follow.
The history of the parishes of Sherburn and Cawood, with notices of Wistow ...
By William Wheater
Page 80
THE CHURCH
I have been able to gather but little respecting the Church The vicarages of Sherburn and Fenton were founded in 1240 by Archbishop Walter de Gray who also founded the prebends of Fenton and Wistow.
Euphemia:
In 1463 Eufemia the widow of Sir John Langton leaves to the altar of the BVM within the cemetery of the church of Sherburn in Elmete an alabaster image of the Blessed Virgin with a gilded Coler de S in part silver and part gold 1 and a monile of gold with three perles and a rube in the said monile of the same colour joined with two fillets of peerle and which shall never be taken from the said image but shall remain with it for ever .
Page 124
HUDDLESTON
After the exit of the family of Melsa Huddleston Hall became one of the residences of the Langtons of Farnley near Leeds We do not know the date of their first possession but it certainly was not much before the death of Sir John Melsa
On the 30th Jan 1342 3 John son of Nicholas de Langton did homage to Archbishop William de la Zouch at Cawode for the fourth part of a knight's fee at Hodleston with service at the court of Sherburn
On the 5th Nov 1373 Archbishop Thoresby granted to Wm Graa citizen of York and Dominus Robert Wicliff parson of the church of Holy Cross York the wardship of the body with the marriage of John the son and heir of John Langton of York and the wardship of all the lands and tenements of Friskimerk Huddleston and Fenton and elsewhere in the county of York which John the father of the said John son of John held of the Archbishop by knight's service
At that period both the Langtons and the Grays were wealthy families in York and there is doubt that William Gray obtained the wardship of John Langton in order that he might marry him to his daughter
Perhaps the first John the grandfather above mentioned is John the son of Nicholas Langton who on the 30th January 1342 did homage to Archbishop Zouche for the fourth part of one knight's fee in Huddleston and suit at the Court of Sherburn
In the will of Margaret Bolton widow of Henry Gascoigne (the father of the line of Gascoigne of Micklefield)
Thomas Langton Huddleston armiger is named as one of the executors
The will is dated April 13th 1471 four years after the main line of Langton Farnley is said to have become extinct
The Langtons intermarried with the chief families of the neighbourhood
William Vavasour Esq of Haslewood married Joan daughter of Sir John Langton; and her brother also called John married Agnes daughter of William Sawley Saxton Esq but the dates of these marriages cannot be specified
The arms of the Lantons were:
"Gules a chevron ermine between three Lioncels rampant Or"
These arms appear on the capital of the pillar on east side of Sherburn Church porch and they are also cut upon the of the south west buttress of the tower.
Page 128
LOTHERTON
Neville
Some division of the lands as indicated must have taken place Gilbert Neville died 22nd Edward I when his son John was found to be his next heir and of the age of 26 years In the 3Oth Edw I 1302 John Nevile son and heir of Gilbert and Cicely Nevile did homage and fealty to Thomas Archbishop of York at Otley on the 18th kalends of June for tenements which he claims to hold of him in Lutterington which the lord let the right of everyone being saved Mag William Beverley Sir William Sotehill and many others being present. >snip<
John Nevill appears to have left a daughter who inherited his property On the 2nd of the kalends of February 1310 11 at Cawood Sir Geoffrey Hotham knight did his homage and fealty to the Archbishop for the third part of a knight's fee in Lutterington where he claims to hold of him in the name of his wife's dower.
Page 176/7
LANGTON OF HUDDLESTON AND FARNLEY NEAR LEEDS
ARMS Gules a Chevron Ermine between three Lioncels rampant Or
The early account of this family and its possessions in Huddleston has already been given on p 124.
I now give Hopkinson's pedigree with a few notes from other sources:
John Langton Esq mar Margaret d and coh of Sir John Neville and had issue Thomas. By his wife John obtained Farnley in the parish of Leeds and Gaterley near Richmond He was Lord Mayor of York from 1353 to 1361, nine years together.
Thomas Langton Esq mar Margaret dau of John de la Pont and had issue John [and Cuthbert] This Thomas lived at Farnley and sometimes at Huddleston.
Sir John Langton s and h of Thomas mar Anastasia d of John Vavasour of Weston Esq and had issue John mar.________ ? dau of William Vavasour of Hazlewood Esq. Sir John was Sheriff of Yorkshire 3 Hen VI 1425 In 1424 he held one knight's fee in Farnley Heaton Okenshaw Wibshaw and Kirkby late Sir Robert Neville's and one carucate in Potterton late Sir Ralph Neville's He founded St Anthony's Hospital in York 1440 and died 1459 [1]
NOTE:
[1] This descent is assuredly not correctly given The pedigree of Vavasour of Weston see p 1 74 has two daughters of the name of Anastasia and the elder is said to have been married to Mr Norton apparently referred to above The Test Ebor 3 P 336 gives us some evidence throw ng light upon the matter License from John Sendale vicar general for William Darcy s and of Richard Darcy late s and h of the Lord Darcy deceased and Euphemia dau of John Langton of Farnley Esq, to be married in the chapel at Farnley after banns. An inscription late in St Peter's Church Leeds completes the evidence Hie Jacent Johannes Langton Miles et Euphemia uxor sua qui obiit vicesimo quinto die mensis Februarii An Dom Millesimo cccc quinquagesimo jpno quorum animabus propicietur Deus Amen.
To which Wilson has added: "This (1746) is now existing with their effigies very fair."
John Langton Esq mar Agnes dan of William Sawley of Saxton Esq and had issue Thomas and John [1]
1465 June 5th License to the Vicar of Leeds to marry William Mering of Mering in the diocese of Lincoln and Agnes dau of John Langton of Farnley Esq in the chapel at Farnley Test Ebor 3 p 337
1472 Sept 20th Dispensation for Richard Sherburn and Joan Langton who are related to each other to marry Issued Feby 19th 1st Sixtus IV Test Ebor p 341
1473 June 23rd Commission to William bishop of Dromore to veil Margaret widow of Thomas Langton of Ullerskelf Test Ebor 3 p 342
Inscription in St Peter's Church Leeds Hie jacent Johannes Langton Armiger films et hferes Johannis Langton Militis et Agnes uxor ejus qui obierunt in festo Sancti Lamberti Episcopi et Martyris AD MCCCCLXVII quorum animabus propicietur Deus Amen.
In 1746 Wilson notices this inscription remaining in brass with their effigies partly defaced. It is dated as above 1467 and not 1413 as wrongly printed in the Ducatus.
Sir Thomas Langton Kt and h of John mar Ann dau of Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Kt and had issue John
John Langton Esq s and h of Sir Thomas mar Cicily dau of William Clapham of Beamsley Esq and had issue John
Mary mar Robert Waterton of Methley Esq
----> Sir John Langton Kt s and h of John, mar Anne ( Eufemia) dau of Richard Aske of Aughton Esq and had issue
John Eufemia (mar William Lord Darcy) Grace (mar Sir Robert Stopham Kt) Margaret (mar Ralph Beeston of Beeston Esq) [2]
John Langton Esq mar Eleanor dau of Edward Saltmarsh of Saltmarsh Esq and had issue Agnes his dau and h who married Sir James Danby Kt and so Farnley came to the Danbys.
NOTE:
[1] Extracted by Wilson foolishly without giving the date from the last will of John Langton Esq
Upon a marble shall be placed a grete scotcheon of my arms and my wyfes set in the mids of the stone with all my daughters and their husband's arms on my right side and my sons with their wives on my left side also my father grandsire and ancestors in small scotcheons at my head
[2] The confusion in the pedigree relative to this descent and marriage has been noticed.
The issue of their marriage and their alliances clearly date it in the sixteenth century It is not the least interesting to find the connections with the Askes and the Darcys both of item so prominent in the Pilgrimage of Grace and the religious movements of the period.
http://books.google.com/books?id=G2cuAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA176&ots=9qYFZ7UWkA&dq=sir.%20robert%20neville%20%22farnley%22&pg=PA177#v=onepage&q=sir.%20robert%20neville%20%22farnley%22&f=false
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http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/langton-sir-john-1387-1459
LANGTON, Sir John (c.1387-1459), of Mowthorpe and Farnley, Yorks.
Published in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421, ed. J.S. Roskell, L. Clark, C. Rawcliffe., 1993
Family and Education
b.c.1387, s. of John Langton (d. by 1413) of Mowthorpe by his w. Joan, da. of Sir Robert Neville*. m. by Mar. 1408, Euphemia (d.1463), 5s. (1 d.v.p.) 2da. Kntd. by Dec. 1420.1
Offices Held
Commr. of array, Yorks. (W. Riding) Mar. 1419; to escort Scottish hostages Feb. 1426, June 1429; make arrests Dec. 1428. Sheriff, Yorks. by 16 June 1424-15 Jan. 1426.2
Biography
For most of the 14th century the Langton family played a leading part in the government of York, where they dominated the civic hierarchy.
Between them, Nicholas Langton and John, his son, occupied the mayoralty for no less than 28 years, although their monopoly of office created tensions within the community.
In 1371, for example, John Langton and his supporters among the patrician class (or viri hereditarii) were successfully challenged by a group of parvenu merchants. Such a threat may well have led John to concentrate even further on consolidating his territorial interests outside the city, although for decades already the Langtons had derived their great wealth from property rather than trade.
By the time of his son’s marriage to Joan, the daughter of Sir Robert Neville of Hornby, Langton was the owner of extensive estates in Naburn, Swinefleet, Over Dinsdale, Reedness, Huddleston, Heworth, West Lutton, Mowthorpe and Huntington, as well as a number of shops and tenements in York itself.
His good fortune in forging such a close connexion with one of the most powerful members of the northern gentry may, in part, have been due to the Nevilles’ accute indebtedness at the time
(Sir Robert had himself married into an even wealthier mercantile family, the de la Poles, from whom his father had proceeded to borrow large sums of money), although it none the less reflects clearly enough on the growing influence and prestige of the Langtons.
Having thus established themselves among the ranks of the local landowning classes, they now lived as successful rentiers, more or less abandoning their interest in civic affairs. In common with many other disaffected Yorkshiremen, John Langton the younger appears to have thrown in his lot with Archbishop Scrope of York in his rebellion against Henry IV. Certainly, in June 1405, just a few days after Scrope’s execution at York, he was pardoned all ‘treasons, insurrections and rebellions’; and, duly chastened, he henceforth lived quietly on his estates.
His father-in-law, Sir Robert Neville, who was actually related by marriage to the King and was held in great favour at Court, may well have stepped in to protect him. At all events, by 1410 he had been sufficiently rehabilitated to secure employment by the Crown as a local tax collector, although his early death at some point over the next three years brought an end to any prospects of an extended career in local government.3
Langton’s son and heir, another John, the subject of this biography, first comes to notice early in 1408 when he and his wife obtained a papal indult to make use of a portable altar. According to the evidence of inquisitions post mortem on Thomas Beaufort, duke of Exeter (the husband of his cousin, Margaret Neville), he was born in about 1395, but it is most unlikely that such a licence would have been granted to a minor. He was indisputably of age by 1413, however, as Henry V then gave him permission to make an endowment upon the fraternity of St. Christopher in York in memory of his late father. Not long afterwards he became embroiled in a dispute with the hospital of St. Leonard there, perhaps as a result of rival claims to the Langton estate. By July 1416, matters had reached such a pitch that orders went out for his arrest, although arrangements were soon made in Chancery for the quarrel to go to arbitration. In the following November John was bound over in securities of 500 marks either to appear before the chancellor in person or else to produce a certificate attested by the bishop of Durham or the earl of Westmorland as proof that a private settlement had been reached. The earl did indeed provide evidence of such an award, and John’s recognizances were cancelled. Notwithstanding his initial brush with the authorities, he was appointed in March 1419 to a royal commission of array, so that by the time of his election to Parliament, late In 1420, he had gained some experience of administrative affairs.
He had, moreover, been recently knighted, although the first reference to his more elevated status as a King’s knight does not occur until the reign of Henry VI.
Royal patronage began coming his way in February 1423, when, possibly through the influence of his kinsman by marriage, the duke of Exeter, he and Sir John Asshe were given joint custody of the Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Essex and Kent estates declared forfeit after the death of Margery, dowager Lady Scrope, mother of the traitor, Henry, Lord Scrope of Masham.
Sir John also stood well with the influential cleric, Robert Wycliffe, chancellor and receiver-general to the bishop of Durham and sometime constable of Durham castle. On his death in 1423, Wycliffe left him a covered goblet, while his son, Robert (who evidently died young), was promised a bed with red worsted draperies bearing the arms of Wycliffe.4
By late June 1424 Sir John had assumed office as sheriff of Yorkshire, in which capacity he was responsible for the custody of a group of 15 Scottish hostages. Besides having to offer personal securities of £1,000 that they would not escape, he sustained heavy expenses while keeping them safe in York castle. The allowance of £83 made to him by the Crown proved totally inadequate, and in November 1427 (by which time his prisoners had been transferred to the Tower of London) he claimed a further £160 to cover his outlay.
By this date, however, Sir John’s financial prospects had improved dramatically. The death without issue first of his cousin, Margaret Neville, and then of her husband, the duke of Exeter, left him and his aunt, Margaret Haryngton, coheirs to the rich and widespread estates of Sir Robert Neville of Hornby. Exeter died in December 1426, and although five years elapsed before a mutually acceptable division of property could be achieved, Sir John eventually found himself in possession of the manor of Appleby in Lincolnshire, rents in the Lancashire villages of Aintree and Melling, and all his late grandfather’s extensive holdings in Yorkshire. These comprised the manor of Farnley near Leeds, and at least 13 other manors with appurtenances spread throughout the West Riding and beyond. Sir William Haryngton, Margaret’s husband, may not have been content with the castle and lordship of Hornby in Lancashire, which constituted his share of the inheritance, for he was obliged to enter bonds worth £1,000 as a guarantee of Sir John’s undisputed title.5
Meanwhile, in 1429, Sir John acted as a parliamentary proxy for John Wells, the bishop of Llandaff. So far as we know, he did not himself sit in more than one Parliament, nor did he devote much time from this date onwards to official responsibilities of any kind, choosing rather to concentrate on the management of his estates.
From 1441 onwards, his eldest surviving son, John (who took over the running of the family property at Farnley), assumed a leading role in Yorkshire society, although his failure to find adequate securities meant that he never actually occupied the post of bailiff of Pickering offered to him by the Crown. His brother, Henry, did, however, prosper in the employment of Henry VI, serving first as clerk and crier of the Marshalsea, and then becoming an esquire of the royal household. Sir John never forgot his family’s early connexion with the city of York, and towards the end of his life he endowed the new guild of St. Martin with property for the support of a perpetual chantry. He chose, even so, to be buried in the church of St. Peter, Leeds, where John Langton the younger later erected a large and impressive family tomb.6
Sir John Langton died on 17 Mar. 1459, leaving four sons and two daughters.
His widow, Euphemia, lived on until 1463, and was buried beside him at St. Peter’s.
In her will she bequeathed large quantities of expensive plate and jewels to various friends, relatives and religious houses. To the parish church of Sherburn-in-Elmet, for example, went an alabaster image of the Virgin with a collar of gold and silver and a lavish display of ornaments.
Her younger son, Henry, inherited a missal called ‘Bishop Scrope boke’, which suggests that memories of the 1405 rebellion still remained strong among the Langtons.7
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Vol 30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258 Eufemia relicta Johannis Langton militis by will dated 26 Aug 1463 desires to be buried in the church of the parish of Ledes Names Eufemia Darcy daughter Margaret Mering son John Langton son Henry Langton son William Langton son Thomas Langton Thomas Langton son of John Langton my son Nicholas Langton son of the said John Langton Richard and Henry sons of the said John Langton Wm Vavasour John Hemeslay Eufemia Flemming Eufemia Waterton Isabella Vavasour wife of John Vavasour Brother John Multon doctor sacree sciencioe Thos Clarell vicar of Leeds Robt Calbeck capellanus Robt Ledes Margt Bolton Thomas Fell and Eufemia Waterton daughter of Richard Waterton Proved 24 Nov 1463 Notes Euphemia widow of Sir John Langton of Farnley Her maiden name is unknown Her husband died 25 Feb 1459 and was buried at Leeds Euphemia Langton dau of testatrix married William afterwards Sir William Darcy grandson and heir of Sir John Darcy Kt licensed to be married in the chapel of Farnley 23 Jan 1460 1 Margaret Mering probably of the family of Mering Nottinghamshire John Langton son and heir of testatrix did not long survive her his will is dated 1466 4 Aug 1476 Wm Hasard of Sherburn administered to the effects of Henry Langton of Sherburn
Vol 30 fo 277 Will of me John Langton squyer son and heir of John Langton Kt made 22 Dec 6 Edw IV To be buried in parish church of Leeds where Agnes his late wife is buried Sir Hy Vavasour Sir Robert Danby Kt and his son James Agnes daughter to my son John Langton now dead and now wife of the said James Danby brothers Thomas Langton and William Langton Sir Robert Nevill and Margaret his wife daughter of Sir William Pole Note John Langton testator's eldest son died ten years before and by his will dated 4 Dec 1452 desired to be buried in All Saints in the Marsh in the city of York Names Joan his sister and John Langton his father
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJIorqLF&dq=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
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A history of the parish of Barwick-in-Elmet, in the county of York
By Frederick Selincourt Colman
Page 232
http://books.google.com/books?id=x-0GAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA232&ots=LWZXnifhHZ&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
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More to follow.
MDW
Research to follow.
The history of the parishes of Sherburn and Cawood, with notices of Wistow ...
By William Wheater
Page 80
THE CHURCH
I have been able to gather but little respecting the Church The vicarages of Sherburn and Fenton were founded in 1240 by Archbishop Walter de Gray who also founded the prebends of Fenton and Wistow.
Euphemia:
In 1463 Eufemia the widow of Sir John Langton leaves to the altar of the BVM within the cemetery of the church of Sherburn in Elmete an alabaster image of the Blessed Virgin with a gilded Coler de S in part silver and part gold 1 and a monile of gold with three perles and a rube in the said monile of the same colour joined with two fillets of peerle and which shall never be taken from the said image but shall remain with it for ever .
Page 124
HUDDLESTON
After the exit of the family of Melsa Huddleston Hall became one of the residences of the Langtons of Farnley near Leeds We do not know the date of their first possession but it certainly was not much before the death of Sir John Melsa
On the 30th Jan 1342 3 John son of Nicholas de Langton did homage to Archbishop William de la Zouch at Cawode for the fourth part of a knight's fee at Hodleston with service at the court of Sherburn
On the 5th Nov 1373 Archbishop Thoresby granted to Wm Graa citizen of York and Dominus Robert Wicliff parson of the church of Holy Cross York the wardship of the body with the marriage of John the son and heir of John Langton of York and the wardship of all the lands and tenements of Friskimerk Huddleston and Fenton and elsewhere in the county of York which John the father of the said John son of John held of the Archbishop by knight's service
At that period both the Langtons and the Grays were wealthy families in York and there is doubt that William Gray obtained the wardship of John Langton in order that he might marry him to his daughter
Perhaps the first John the grandfather above mentioned is John the son of Nicholas Langton who on the 30th January 1342 did homage to Archbishop Zouche for the fourth part of one knight's fee in Huddleston and suit at the Court of Sherburn
In the will of Margaret Bolton widow of Henry Gascoigne (the father of the line of Gascoigne of Micklefield)
Thomas Langton Huddleston armiger is named as one of the executors
The will is dated April 13th 1471 four years after the main line of Langton Farnley is said to have become extinct
The Langtons intermarried with the chief families of the neighbourhood
William Vavasour Esq of Haslewood married Joan daughter of Sir John Langton; and her brother also called John married Agnes daughter of William Sawley Saxton Esq but the dates of these marriages cannot be specified
The arms of the Lantons were:
"Gules a chevron ermine between three Lioncels rampant Or"
These arms appear on the capital of the pillar on east side of Sherburn Church porch and they are also cut upon the of the south west buttress of the tower.
Page 128
LOTHERTON
Neville
Some division of the lands as indicated must have taken place Gilbert Neville died 22nd Edward I when his son John was found to be his next heir and of the age of 26 years In the 3Oth Edw I 1302 John Nevile son and heir of Gilbert and Cicely Nevile did homage and fealty to Thomas Archbishop of York at Otley on the 18th kalends of June for tenements which he claims to hold of him in Lutterington which the lord let the right of everyone being saved Mag William Beverley Sir William Sotehill and many others being present. >snip<
John Nevill appears to have left a daughter who inherited his property On the 2nd of the kalends of February 1310 11 at Cawood Sir Geoffrey Hotham knight did his homage and fealty to the Archbishop for the third part of a knight's fee in Lutterington where he claims to hold of him in the name of his wife's dower.
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LANGTON OF HUDDLESTON AND FARNLEY NEAR LEEDS
ARMS Gules a Chevron Ermine between three Lioncels rampant Or
The early account of this family and its possessions in Huddleston has already been given on p 124.
I now give Hopkinson's pedigree with a few notes from other sources:
John Langton Esq mar Margaret d and coh of Sir John Neville and had issue Thomas. By his wife John obtained Farnley in the parish of Leeds and Gaterley near Richmond He was Lord Mayor of York from 1353 to 1361, nine years together.
Thomas Langton Esq mar Margaret dau of John de la Pont and had issue John [and Cuthbert] This Thomas lived at Farnley and sometimes at Huddleston.
Sir John Langton s and h of Thomas mar Anastasia d of John Vavasour of Weston Esq and had issue John mar.________ ? dau of William Vavasour of Hazlewood Esq. Sir John was Sheriff of Yorkshire 3 Hen VI 1425 In 1424 he held one knight's fee in Farnley Heaton Okenshaw Wibshaw and Kirkby late Sir Robert Neville's and one carucate in Potterton late Sir Ralph Neville's He founded St Anthony's Hospital in York 1440 and died 1459 [1]
NOTE:
[1] This descent is assuredly not correctly given The pedigree of Vavasour of Weston see p 1 74 has two daughters of the name of Anastasia and the elder is said to have been married to Mr Norton apparently referred to above The Test Ebor 3 P 336 gives us some evidence throw ng light upon the matter License from John Sendale vicar general for William Darcy s and of Richard Darcy late s and h of the Lord Darcy deceased and Euphemia dau of John Langton of Farnley Esq, to be married in the chapel at Farnley after banns. An inscription late in St Peter's Church Leeds completes the evidence Hie Jacent Johannes Langton Miles et Euphemia uxor sua qui obiit vicesimo quinto die mensis Februarii An Dom Millesimo cccc quinquagesimo jpno quorum animabus propicietur Deus Amen.
To which Wilson has added: "This (1746) is now existing with their effigies very fair."
John Langton Esq mar Agnes dan of William Sawley of Saxton Esq and had issue Thomas and John [1]
1465 June 5th License to the Vicar of Leeds to marry William Mering of Mering in the diocese of Lincoln and Agnes dau of John Langton of Farnley Esq in the chapel at Farnley Test Ebor 3 p 337
1472 Sept 20th Dispensation for Richard Sherburn and Joan Langton who are related to each other to marry Issued Feby 19th 1st Sixtus IV Test Ebor p 341
1473 June 23rd Commission to William bishop of Dromore to veil Margaret widow of Thomas Langton of Ullerskelf Test Ebor 3 p 342
Inscription in St Peter's Church Leeds Hie jacent Johannes Langton Armiger films et hferes Johannis Langton Militis et Agnes uxor ejus qui obierunt in festo Sancti Lamberti Episcopi et Martyris AD MCCCCLXVII quorum animabus propicietur Deus Amen.
In 1746 Wilson notices this inscription remaining in brass with their effigies partly defaced. It is dated as above 1467 and not 1413 as wrongly printed in the Ducatus.
Sir Thomas Langton Kt and h of John mar Ann dau of Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Kt and had issue John
John Langton Esq s and h of Sir Thomas mar Cicily dau of William Clapham of Beamsley Esq and had issue John
Mary mar Robert Waterton of Methley Esq
----> Sir John Langton Kt s and h of John, mar Anne ( Eufemia) dau of Richard Aske of Aughton Esq and had issue
John Eufemia (mar William Lord Darcy) Grace (mar Sir Robert Stopham Kt) Margaret (mar Ralph Beeston of Beeston Esq) [2]
John Langton Esq mar Eleanor dau of Edward Saltmarsh of Saltmarsh Esq and had issue Agnes his dau and h who married Sir James Danby Kt and so Farnley came to the Danbys.
NOTE:
[1] Extracted by Wilson foolishly without giving the date from the last will of John Langton Esq
Upon a marble shall be placed a grete scotcheon of my arms and my wyfes set in the mids of the stone with all my daughters and their husband's arms on my right side and my sons with their wives on my left side also my father grandsire and ancestors in small scotcheons at my head
[2] The confusion in the pedigree relative to this descent and marriage has been noticed.
The issue of their marriage and their alliances clearly date it in the sixteenth century It is not the least interesting to find the connections with the Askes and the Darcys both of item so prominent in the Pilgrimage of Grace and the religious movements of the period.
http://books.google.com/books?id=G2cuAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA176&ots=9qYFZ7UWkA&dq=sir.%20robert%20neville%20%22farnley%22&pg=PA177#v=onepage&q=sir.%20robert%20neville%20%22farnley%22&f=false
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http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/langton-sir-john-1387-1459
LANGTON, Sir John (c.1387-1459), of Mowthorpe and Farnley, Yorks.
Published in The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421, ed. J.S. Roskell, L. Clark, C. Rawcliffe., 1993
Family and Education
b.c.1387, s. of John Langton (d. by 1413) of Mowthorpe by his w. Joan, da. of Sir Robert Neville*. m. by Mar. 1408, Euphemia (d.1463), 5s. (1 d.v.p.) 2da. Kntd. by Dec. 1420.1
Offices Held
Commr. of array, Yorks. (W. Riding) Mar. 1419; to escort Scottish hostages Feb. 1426, June 1429; make arrests Dec. 1428. Sheriff, Yorks. by 16 June 1424-15 Jan. 1426.2
Biography
For most of the 14th century the Langton family played a leading part in the government of York, where they dominated the civic hierarchy.
Between them, Nicholas Langton and John, his son, occupied the mayoralty for no less than 28 years, although their monopoly of office created tensions within the community.
In 1371, for example, John Langton and his supporters among the patrician class (or viri hereditarii) were successfully challenged by a group of parvenu merchants. Such a threat may well have led John to concentrate even further on consolidating his territorial interests outside the city, although for decades already the Langtons had derived their great wealth from property rather than trade.
By the time of his son’s marriage to Joan, the daughter of Sir Robert Neville of Hornby, Langton was the owner of extensive estates in Naburn, Swinefleet, Over Dinsdale, Reedness, Huddleston, Heworth, West Lutton, Mowthorpe and Huntington, as well as a number of shops and tenements in York itself.
His good fortune in forging such a close connexion with one of the most powerful members of the northern gentry may, in part, have been due to the Nevilles’ accute indebtedness at the time
(Sir Robert had himself married into an even wealthier mercantile family, the de la Poles, from whom his father had proceeded to borrow large sums of money), although it none the less reflects clearly enough on the growing influence and prestige of the Langtons.
Having thus established themselves among the ranks of the local landowning classes, they now lived as successful rentiers, more or less abandoning their interest in civic affairs. In common with many other disaffected Yorkshiremen, John Langton the younger appears to have thrown in his lot with Archbishop Scrope of York in his rebellion against Henry IV. Certainly, in June 1405, just a few days after Scrope’s execution at York, he was pardoned all ‘treasons, insurrections and rebellions’; and, duly chastened, he henceforth lived quietly on his estates.
His father-in-law, Sir Robert Neville, who was actually related by marriage to the King and was held in great favour at Court, may well have stepped in to protect him. At all events, by 1410 he had been sufficiently rehabilitated to secure employment by the Crown as a local tax collector, although his early death at some point over the next three years brought an end to any prospects of an extended career in local government.3
Langton’s son and heir, another John, the subject of this biography, first comes to notice early in 1408 when he and his wife obtained a papal indult to make use of a portable altar. According to the evidence of inquisitions post mortem on Thomas Beaufort, duke of Exeter (the husband of his cousin, Margaret Neville), he was born in about 1395, but it is most unlikely that such a licence would have been granted to a minor. He was indisputably of age by 1413, however, as Henry V then gave him permission to make an endowment upon the fraternity of St. Christopher in York in memory of his late father. Not long afterwards he became embroiled in a dispute with the hospital of St. Leonard there, perhaps as a result of rival claims to the Langton estate. By July 1416, matters had reached such a pitch that orders went out for his arrest, although arrangements were soon made in Chancery for the quarrel to go to arbitration. In the following November John was bound over in securities of 500 marks either to appear before the chancellor in person or else to produce a certificate attested by the bishop of Durham or the earl of Westmorland as proof that a private settlement had been reached. The earl did indeed provide evidence of such an award, and John’s recognizances were cancelled. Notwithstanding his initial brush with the authorities, he was appointed in March 1419 to a royal commission of array, so that by the time of his election to Parliament, late In 1420, he had gained some experience of administrative affairs.
He had, moreover, been recently knighted, although the first reference to his more elevated status as a King’s knight does not occur until the reign of Henry VI.
Royal patronage began coming his way in February 1423, when, possibly through the influence of his kinsman by marriage, the duke of Exeter, he and Sir John Asshe were given joint custody of the Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Essex and Kent estates declared forfeit after the death of Margery, dowager Lady Scrope, mother of the traitor, Henry, Lord Scrope of Masham.
Sir John also stood well with the influential cleric, Robert Wycliffe, chancellor and receiver-general to the bishop of Durham and sometime constable of Durham castle. On his death in 1423, Wycliffe left him a covered goblet, while his son, Robert (who evidently died young), was promised a bed with red worsted draperies bearing the arms of Wycliffe.4
By late June 1424 Sir John had assumed office as sheriff of Yorkshire, in which capacity he was responsible for the custody of a group of 15 Scottish hostages. Besides having to offer personal securities of £1,000 that they would not escape, he sustained heavy expenses while keeping them safe in York castle. The allowance of £83 made to him by the Crown proved totally inadequate, and in November 1427 (by which time his prisoners had been transferred to the Tower of London) he claimed a further £160 to cover his outlay.
By this date, however, Sir John’s financial prospects had improved dramatically. The death without issue first of his cousin, Margaret Neville, and then of her husband, the duke of Exeter, left him and his aunt, Margaret Haryngton, coheirs to the rich and widespread estates of Sir Robert Neville of Hornby. Exeter died in December 1426, and although five years elapsed before a mutually acceptable division of property could be achieved, Sir John eventually found himself in possession of the manor of Appleby in Lincolnshire, rents in the Lancashire villages of Aintree and Melling, and all his late grandfather’s extensive holdings in Yorkshire. These comprised the manor of Farnley near Leeds, and at least 13 other manors with appurtenances spread throughout the West Riding and beyond. Sir William Haryngton, Margaret’s husband, may not have been content with the castle and lordship of Hornby in Lancashire, which constituted his share of the inheritance, for he was obliged to enter bonds worth £1,000 as a guarantee of Sir John’s undisputed title.5
Meanwhile, in 1429, Sir John acted as a parliamentary proxy for John Wells, the bishop of Llandaff. So far as we know, he did not himself sit in more than one Parliament, nor did he devote much time from this date onwards to official responsibilities of any kind, choosing rather to concentrate on the management of his estates.
From 1441 onwards, his eldest surviving son, John (who took over the running of the family property at Farnley), assumed a leading role in Yorkshire society, although his failure to find adequate securities meant that he never actually occupied the post of bailiff of Pickering offered to him by the Crown. His brother, Henry, did, however, prosper in the employment of Henry VI, serving first as clerk and crier of the Marshalsea, and then becoming an esquire of the royal household. Sir John never forgot his family’s early connexion with the city of York, and towards the end of his life he endowed the new guild of St. Martin with property for the support of a perpetual chantry. He chose, even so, to be buried in the church of St. Peter, Leeds, where John Langton the younger later erected a large and impressive family tomb.6
Sir John Langton died on 17 Mar. 1459, leaving four sons and two daughters.
His widow, Euphemia, lived on until 1463, and was buried beside him at St. Peter’s.
In her will she bequeathed large quantities of expensive plate and jewels to various friends, relatives and religious houses. To the parish church of Sherburn-in-Elmet, for example, went an alabaster image of the Virgin with a collar of gold and silver and a lavish display of ornaments.
Her younger son, Henry, inherited a missal called ‘Bishop Scrope boke’, which suggests that memories of the 1405 rebellion still remained strong among the Langtons.7
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The Publications of the Thoresby Society, Volume 2
By Thoresby Society
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By Thoresby Society
Vol 30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258 Eufemia relicta Johannis Langton militis by will dated 26 Aug 1463 desires to be buried in the church of the parish of Ledes Names Eufemia Darcy daughter Margaret Mering son John Langton son Henry Langton son William Langton son Thomas Langton Thomas Langton son of John Langton my son Nicholas Langton son of the said John Langton Richard and Henry sons of the said John Langton Wm Vavasour John Hemeslay Eufemia Flemming Eufemia Waterton Isabella Vavasour wife of John Vavasour Brother John Multon doctor sacree sciencioe Thos Clarell vicar of Leeds Robt Calbeck capellanus Robt Ledes Margt Bolton Thomas Fell and Eufemia Waterton daughter of Richard Waterton Proved 24 Nov 1463 Notes Euphemia widow of Sir John Langton of Farnley Her maiden name is unknown Her husband died 25 Feb 1459 and was buried at Leeds Euphemia Langton dau of testatrix married William afterwards Sir William Darcy grandson and heir of Sir John Darcy Kt licensed to be married in the chapel of Farnley 23 Jan 1460 1 Margaret Mering probably of the family of Mering Nottinghamshire John Langton son and heir of testatrix did not long survive her his will is dated 1466 4 Aug 1476 Wm Hasard of Sherburn administered to the effects of Henry Langton of Sherburn
Vol 30 fo 277 Will of me John Langton squyer son and heir of John Langton Kt made 22 Dec 6 Edw IV To be buried in parish church of Leeds where Agnes his late wife is buried Sir Hy Vavasour Sir Robert Danby Kt and his son James Agnes daughter to my son John Langton now dead and now wife of the said James Danby brothers Thomas Langton and William Langton Sir Robert Nevill and Margaret his wife daughter of Sir William Pole Note John Langton testator's eldest son died ten years before and by his will dated 4 Dec 1452 desired to be buried in All Saints in the Marsh in the city of York Names Joan his sister and John Langton his father
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJIorqLF&dq=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=john%20langton%20%22Thomas%20langton%22&f=false
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A history of the parish of Barwick-in-Elmet, in the county of York
By Frederick Selincourt Colman
Page 232
http://books.google.com/books?id=x-0GAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA232&ots=LWZXnifhHZ&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
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More to follow.
MDW
sangreel
Aug 30, 2012, 8:13:18 PM8/30/12
to
I seem to be at a wall. I shall prevail, but I guess my sticking point is this:
History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
By Robert Thoroton
Page 296
There is an ancient House and Demesnes within Kirkeby called Langton Hall alias Wellwood, it was granted out by John Lord Stotevile in Henry the seconds time (I suppose it should be Henry the thirds, and so it first was written) to Richard, son of Hugh de Ruddington, and his heirs, by particular metes and bounds ; and shortly after this, Ruddington granted the said Lands to Geoffrey de Langton, reciting the former grant from the Lord Stotevile to him, and that he was in scsin thereof 34 H. 2, (34 H. 3, rather). In • Langtons family it continued till Henry the eighths time, that Cuthbert Langton dying without issue (male) it fell to Fitz-Randolph by the marriage of Langtons daughtetrand heir, in whose name it continued till of late.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xD4uAAAAMAAJ&dq=Cuthbert%20Langton&pg=PA296#v=onepage&q=Cuthbert%20Langton&f=false
It is clear to me that Cuthbert, son of Thomas is of this line.... but I am having problems locating documents that prove the father of Thomas who died 24 April 1489. ( 24 April 4 H VII) Any ideas would be grand!
MD Warner
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:41:55 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
By Robert Thoroton
Page 296
http://books.google.com/books?id=xD4uAAAAMAAJ&dq=Cuthbert%20Langton&pg=PA296#v=onepage&q=Cuthbert%20Langton&f=false
It is clear to me that Cuthbert, son of Thomas is of this line.... but I am having problems locating documents that prove the father of Thomas who died 24 April 1489. ( 24 April 4 H VII) Any ideas would be grand!
MD Warner
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:41:55 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
sangreel
Aug 30, 2012, 8:20:53 PM8/30/12
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Corrected date of 34 H 3 to 1249/50. So as I see it, proof must be found as to the line down from Geoffrey de Langton [1249/50](if in fact he is a direct ancestor) to Thomas Langton [d. 1489] father of Cuthbert Langton.
MDW
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:13:18 PM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
> I seem to be at a wall. I shall prevail, but I guess my sticking point is this:
>
>
>
> History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
>
> By Robert Thoroton
>
> Page 296
>
> There is an ancient House and Demesnes within Kirkeby called Langton Hall alias Wellwood, it was granted out by John Lord Stotevile in Henry the seconds time (I suppose it should be Henry the thirds, and so it first was written) to Richard, son of Hugh de Ruddington, and his heirs, by particular metes and bounds ; and shortly after this, Ruddington granted the said Lands to Geoffrey de Langton, reciting the former grant from the Lord Stotevile to him, and that he was in scsin thereof 34 H. 2, (34 H. 3, [1249/50] rather). In Langtons family it continued till Henry the eighths time, that Cuthbert Langton dying without issue (male) it fell to Fitz-Randolph by the marriage of Langtons daughtetrand heir, in whose name it continued till of late.
MDW
On Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:13:18 PM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
> I seem to be at a wall. I shall prevail, but I guess my sticking point is this:
>
>
>
> History of Nottinghamshire, Volume 2
>
> By Robert Thoroton
>
> Page 296
>
John Watson
Aug 30, 2012, 10:28:10 PM8/30/12
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Michael,
Some major errors - you have confused the Langtons of Nottinghamshire,
with an entirely different and unrelated family of Langtons from York
and later Huddleston and Farnley. Their pedigree is as follows:
Nicholas de Langton I (ca. 1260 - ca. 1322) (Mayor of York in 1297 &
1304) = 1. Juliana le Graunt
Nicholas de Langton II (ca. 1280 - 1342) (Mayor of York 1322-33,
1338-41) = Mary
John de Langton I (ca. 1305 - 1372) (of York & Huddleston) = Beatrice
de Meaux?
John de Langton II (ca. 1340 - 1372) (of York & Huddleston) = ?
John Langton III (ca. 1362 - 1416) (of York & Huddleston) = Agnes
Neville (dau. of Robert de Neville of Hornby Lancs & Margaret de la
Pole)
Sir John Langton IV (ca. 1396 - 25 Feb 1459) (of Huddleston & Farnley)
= Euphemia Aske
John Langton V (ca. 1418 - 1467) = Agnes Sawley (Sallay)
John Langton VI (ca. 1435 - 1458) = Isabel Eure
Agnes Langton (ca. 1450 - 1515) (dau. & sole heir) = Sir James Danby
Regards,
John
On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
> Fellow Researchers,
>
> This is my working pedigree for Cuthbert Langton father of Joan(Jane)Langton
> who mar. Christopher Fitz-Randolph. I have some "fleshing out" to do, sources and proofs of birth, death, etc., but from what I have been able to gather in the last 6 weeks, this should stand up. The main issues is the link from Thomas Langton to his father John Langton and then to his father, Sir.John Langton who married Joan Neville da. of Sir Robert Neville. I will post my sources in the coming days, but I MUST take a break for a day or so.
>
> King John "Lackland" Plantagenet = Agatha De Ferrers (or Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel)
> (Sir.?)Geoffrey De Neville = Joan Plantagenet
> Sir. Geoffrey Neville = Margaret De Longvillers7
>
> > ***
>
> >http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails....
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=xD4uAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA296&ots=qdgFazV-C...
Some major errors - you have confused the Langtons of Nottinghamshire,
with an entirely different and unrelated family of Langtons from York
and later Huddleston and Farnley. Their pedigree is as follows:
Nicholas de Langton I (ca. 1260 - ca. 1322) (Mayor of York in 1297 &
1304) = 1. Juliana le Graunt
Nicholas de Langton II (ca. 1280 - 1342) (Mayor of York 1322-33,
1338-41) = Mary
John de Langton I (ca. 1305 - 1372) (of York & Huddleston) = Beatrice
de Meaux?
John de Langton II (ca. 1340 - 1372) (of York & Huddleston) = ?
John Langton III (ca. 1362 - 1416) (of York & Huddleston) = Agnes
Neville (dau. of Robert de Neville of Hornby Lancs & Margaret de la
Pole)
Sir John Langton IV (ca. 1396 - 25 Feb 1459) (of Huddleston & Farnley)
= Euphemia Aske
John Langton V (ca. 1418 - 1467) = Agnes Sawley (Sallay)
John Langton VI (ca. 1435 - 1458) = Isabel Eure
Agnes Langton (ca. 1450 - 1515) (dau. & sole heir) = Sir James Danby
Regards,
John
On Aug 30, 10:41 pm, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
> Fellow Researchers,
>
> This is my working pedigree for Cuthbert Langton father of Joan(Jane)Langton
> who mar. Christopher Fitz-Randolph. I have some "fleshing out" to do, sources and proofs of birth, death, etc., but from what I have been able to gather in the last 6 weeks, this should stand up. The main issues is the link from Thomas Langton to his father John Langton and then to his father, Sir.John Langton who married Joan Neville da. of Sir Robert Neville. I will post my sources in the coming days, but I MUST take a break for a day or so.
>
> King John "Lackland" Plantagenet = Agatha De Ferrers (or Clemence, the wife of Henry Pinel)
> (Sir.?)Geoffrey De Neville = Joan Plantagenet
> Sir. Robert Neville = Isabel De Byron
> Sir. Robert Neville = Joan De Atherton
> Sir. Robert Neville of Hornby, Lancashire, England = Margaret De La Pole
> Sir. John Langton = Joan Neville
> John Langton Esq. = Euphemia [have hint as to father, further research needed]
> Thomas Langton = Margaret de la Pont
> Cuthbert Langton = ? [must locate wife]
> Sir. Robert Neville = Joan De Atherton
> Sir. Robert Neville of Hornby, Lancashire, England = Margaret De La Pole
> Sir. John Langton = Joan Neville
> John Langton Esq. = Euphemia [have hint as to father, further research needed]
> Thomas Langton = Margaret de la Pont
> Cuthbert Langton = ? [must locate wife]
> Joan Langton = Christopher Fitz-RandolphOn Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:54:52 PM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
> > My fellow researchers,
>
> > I have need of your help. I have been researching Cuthbert Langton in order to flesh out the Fitz-Randolph pedigree. I see in Roberts "Royal Descents,..600, ver 2008" Page 431, That generation 14 has Christopher FitzRandolph being married to a Jane Langton. My research is leaning to this Jane Langton being the daughter of Cuthbert Langton. Some of my sources are:
>
> >http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini...D 741')
> > My fellow researchers,
>
> > I have need of your help. I have been researching Cuthbert Langton in order to flesh out the Fitz-Randolph pedigree. I see in Roberts "Royal Descents,..600, ver 2008" Page 431, That generation 14 has Christopher FitzRandolph being married to a Jane Langton. My research is leaning to this Jane Langton being the daughter of Cuthbert Langton. Some of my sources are:
>
>
> > DocumentRef Mi D 741 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/741 (View collection tree)
>
> > Title: Letter of attorney, Cuthbert Langton to Oliver Gollande.
>
> > Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
>
> > DatesOfCreation 15 May 1522
>
> > Content
>
> > Description: Cutbert Langton, gentleman, appoints Oliver Gollande of Wollaton, Nottinghamshire, gentleman, as his attorney to attend the manor court of Manncefeld and receive possession and seisin of one messuage, one close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow and 40 acres of land with appurtenances in Durty Huknall [Hucknall under Huthwaite] within the manor, which Cristofer FytzRandalff claimed unlawfully, and which was proved at Westminster in Trinity term 13 Henry VIII [see Mi D 740].
>
> > Terms: to be held to the use of Cutbert Langton and his heirs and assigns for ever.
>
> > Date: 15 May 14 Henry VIII Language Latin Condition Good PhysicalDescription Endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
>
> > ***
>
> >http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/Dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini...D 740')
> > DocumentRef Mi D 741 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/741 (View collection tree)
>
> > Title: Letter of attorney, Cuthbert Langton to Oliver Gollande.
>
> > Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
>
> > DatesOfCreation 15 May 1522
>
> > Content
>
> > Description: Cutbert Langton, gentleman, appoints Oliver Gollande of Wollaton, Nottinghamshire, gentleman, as his attorney to attend the manor court of Manncefeld and receive possession and seisin of one messuage, one close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow and 40 acres of land with appurtenances in Durty Huknall [Hucknall under Huthwaite] within the manor, which Cristofer FytzRandalff claimed unlawfully, and which was proved at Westminster in Trinity term 13 Henry VIII [see Mi D 740].
>
> > Terms: to be held to the use of Cutbert Langton and his heirs and assigns for ever.
>
> > Date: 15 May 14 Henry VIII Language Latin Condition Good PhysicalDescription Endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
>
> > ***
>
>
> > DocumentRef Mi D 740 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/740 (View collection tree) Title:
>
> > Arbitration award between Cuthbert Langton and Christopher Fitzrandolph. Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
>
> > Dates Of Creation: 14 July 1521
>
> > Content:
>
> > Description:
>
> > Award in a matter of variance, controversy and debate between Cutbert Langton, complainant, against Cristofer FitzRandal, defendant.
>
> > Concerns the right, title, interest, use and possession of a messuage and close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow, with 40 acres of land lying in Durty Hoknole [Hucknall under Huthwaite] in the manor of Mannesfelde, Nottinghamshire;
>
> > Recites that Cristofer married Jane, one of Cutbert's daughters, and that Cristofer alleges that Cutbert gave all the premises to Cristofer and Jane and their heirs after the custom of the manor, and surrendered the same at a court held Thursday after the purification of our Lady 8 Henry VIII;
>
> > Recites that Cutbert denies the surrender and that it has been discovered that the surrender was made 'only by the crafty contryving and untrue dealing of the forsaid Xpfre FitzRandall and at his request and desire Wtout consent or knowlege of the said Cutbert';
>
> > Orders that FitzRandall's tenants depart the premises by Michaelmas next, and Cutbert be permitted to take peaceful possession.
>
> > Date: 14 July 13 Henry VIII Language English Term legal business, arbitration Term disputes, property, arbitration Condition Good PhysicalDescription Signed by James Stokisley; endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
>
> > ***
>
> > So, if these documents are in fact true and this Christopher Fitz Randolph is the same person who married Jane Langton then next I must find the father of Cuthbert Langton. I did find a notation of a Thomas Langton who is noted to have as a son and heir Cuthbert Langton, next cited, but I need the full record and I can't open the book on google books:
>
> > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
>
> > Page 523
>
> > Thomas Langton of Kyrkby? [The name is cut in half on the page snip]
>
> > Inquisiton virtute officii [spelling]
>
> > Friday after all Saints, 21 H. VII
>
> > He died 12 April H. VII seised in fee of the under mentioned messuags & etc...
>
> > Cuthbert langton aged 26 years and more his son and heir...
>
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=akBnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cuthbert+langton%2...
> > DocumentRef Mi D 740 RefNo MiD/1-1659/736-741/740 (View collection tree) Title:
>
> > Arbitration award between Cuthbert Langton and Christopher Fitzrandolph. Location: Huthwaite in the manor of Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
>
> > Dates Of Creation: 14 July 1521
>
> > Content:
>
> > Description:
>
> > Award in a matter of variance, controversy and debate between Cutbert Langton, complainant, against Cristofer FitzRandal, defendant.
>
> > Concerns the right, title, interest, use and possession of a messuage and close containing 8 acres of land, 8 acres of meadow, with 40 acres of land lying in Durty Hoknole [Hucknall under Huthwaite] in the manor of Mannesfelde, Nottinghamshire;
>
> > Recites that Cristofer married Jane, one of Cutbert's daughters, and that Cristofer alleges that Cutbert gave all the premises to Cristofer and Jane and their heirs after the custom of the manor, and surrendered the same at a court held Thursday after the purification of our Lady 8 Henry VIII;
>
> > Recites that Cutbert denies the surrender and that it has been discovered that the surrender was made 'only by the crafty contryving and untrue dealing of the forsaid Xpfre FitzRandall and at his request and desire Wtout consent or knowlege of the said Cutbert';
>
> > Orders that FitzRandall's tenants depart the premises by Michaelmas next, and Cutbert be permitted to take peaceful possession.
>
> > Date: 14 July 13 Henry VIII Language English Term legal business, arbitration Term disputes, property, arbitration Condition Good PhysicalDescription Signed by James Stokisley; endorsed by Sir Francis Willoughby
>
> > ***
>
> > So, if these documents are in fact true and this Christopher Fitz Randolph is the same person who married Jane Langton then next I must find the father of Cuthbert Langton. I did find a notation of a Thomas Langton who is noted to have as a son and heir Cuthbert Langton, next cited, but I need the full record and I can't open the book on google books:
>
> > Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
>
> > Page 523
>
> > Thomas Langton of Kyrkby? [The name is cut in half on the page snip]
>
> > Inquisiton virtute officii [spelling]
>
> > Friday after all Saints, 21 H. VII
>
> > He died 12 April H. VII seised in fee of the under mentioned messuags & etc...
>
> > Cuthbert langton aged 26 years and more his son and heir...
>
>
> > Does anyone here have access to a full copy of this record? If so, i will be able to add another generation to this line. As the Langton family is a old family we may be able to add many more generations.
>
> > further sources of information as to the Fitz-Randolph / Langton connection, etc:
>
> > The visitations of the county of Nottingham in the years 1569 and 1614: with ...
>
> > By Harleian Society
>
> > Page 187 Fitz-Randolph pedigree
>
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=ofsUAAAAQAAJ&dq=Cuthbert%20Langton&l...
> > Does anyone here have access to a full copy of this record? If so, i will be able to add another generation to this line. As the Langton family is a old family we may be able to add many more generations.
>
> > further sources of information as to the Fitz-Randolph / Langton connection, etc:
>
> > The visitations of the county of Nottingham in the years 1569 and 1614: with ...
>
> > By Harleian Society
>
> > Page 187 Fitz-Randolph pedigree
>
>
> > ***
>
> >http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails....
>
> > ***
>
> > The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ...
>
> > By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall
>
> > Page 194
>
> >http://books.google.com/books?id=59XcwoRK9jkC&lpg=PA194&ots=KGlopsc_7...
> > ***
>
> > The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ...
>
> > By Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall
>
> > Page 194
>
Wjhonson
Aug 31, 2012, 12:49:58 AM8/31/12
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what is the specific evidence that King John had an illegitimate daughter Joan *who* married into this particular line. I find that to be a difficult item.
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Aug 31, 2012, 4:18:45 AM8/31/12
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Will,
It is crazy working on so many "Langtons" who have the same names. Its a matter of finding the documents that apply to the family of Langton who lived at Kyrkby. So far I have a Cuthbert, father Thomas and a Richard....who I am working to place now. I seem to have got two families mixed up, but am working to correct that.
Here is where I got some of my information about Joan alleged da. of King John:http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/Heritage_Holidays/Llywelyn_the_Great_Trail.htm http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1997-06/0866480741 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan,_Lady_of_Wales http://www.royalist.info/execute/tree?person=1769 http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/53309.html
But, no matter, as I have NOT connected the Kyrkby Langtons to Joan...... hours of research down the tubes, but that being said, now I am really enjoying being challenged to find the family of Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby.
251] Richard of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/159/mode/1up 1029] Thomas father to Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/522/mode/2up/search/cuthbert 449] Then of course you have John Langton of Kyrkby:
http://books.google.com/books?id=mXrNZkP1M6oC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA235#v=onepage&q=langton&f=false 431] And then Thomas and John show up again:
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/262/mode/2up/search/%22john+langton%22
Then I see this and the names and dates "seem" to match.....
The Publications of the Thoresby Society,
Volume 2, By Thoresby
Society
Page 49, Vol
30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258 http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJJopyKH&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
Take a look.... I may be missing something!
Michael D. Warner
To: sang...@msn.com; gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Cuthbert Langton via Christopher Fitzrandolph
From: wjho...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:49:58 -0400
what is the specific evidence that King John had an illegitimate daughter Joan *who* married into this particular line. I find that to be a difficult item.
-----Original Message-----
From: sangreel <sang...@msn.com>
To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35 pm
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smith....@gmail.com
Aug 31, 2012, 5:02:35 AM8/31/12
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http://www.lostlangtons.co.uk/
attempts to trace about a dozen distinct Langton families including the one you are researching.
Doug Smith
Wjhonson
Aug 31, 2012, 12:06:34 PM8/31/12
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King John had two daughters named Joan.
His legitimate one born 22 Jul 1210, much younger than the other was married to Alexander II King of Scotland on 19 Jul 1221 when she was ten, and she died without issue on 4 Mar 1238 near London
His older illegitimate daughter Joan was certainly *not* the daughter of Constance Countess of Brittany, although Joan's mother may have been named Constance for all I know. The idea that John snuck in a poke between the death of his brother Geoffrey and the subsequent marriage of this Constance to Ranulph who then became the Duke (jure uxoris) of Brittany in 1188 is ridiculous.
And at any rate this Joan is named explicitly only a few times, but there is no indication that she ever remarried, in fact it appears she did not survive Llewellyn.
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To: Will Johnson <wjho...@aol.com>; gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 1:18 am
Subject: RE: Cuthbert Langton via Christopher Fitzrandolph
Will,
It is crazy working on so many "Langtons" who have the same names. Its a matter of finding the documents that
apply to the family of Langton who lived at Kyrkby. So far I have a Cuthbert, father Thomas and a Richard....who
I am working to place now. I seem to have got two families mixed up, but am working to correct that.
Here is where I got some of my information about Joan alleged da. of King John:
http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/Heritage_Holidays/Llywelyn_the_Great_Trail.htm
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1997-06/0866480741
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan,_Lady_of_Wales
http://www.royalist.info/execute/tree?person=1769
http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/53309.html
But, no matter, as I have NOT connected the Kyrkby Langtons to Joan...... hours of research down the tubes, but that being said, now I am
really enjoying being challenged to find the family of Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby.
251] Richard of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/159/mode/1up
1029] Thomas father to Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/522/mode/2up/search/cuthbert
449] Then of course you have John Langton of Kyrkby: http://books.google.com/books?id=mXrNZkP1M6oC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA235#v=onepage&q=langton&f=false
431] And then Thomas and John show up again: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/262/mode/2up/search/%22john+langton%22
Then I see this and the names and dates "seem" to match.....
The Publications of the Thoresby Society,Volume 2, By ThoresbySociety
Page 49, Vol30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJJopyKH&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
Take a look.... I may be missing something!
Michael D. Warner
To: sang...@msn.com; gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Cuthbert Langton via Christopher Fitzrandolph
From: wjho...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:49:58 -0400
what is the specific evidence that King John had an illegitimate daughter Joan *who* married into this particular line. I find that to be a difficult item.
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His legitimate one born 22 Jul 1210, much younger than the other was married to Alexander II King of Scotland on 19 Jul 1221 when she was ten, and she died without issue on 4 Mar 1238 near London
His older illegitimate daughter Joan was certainly *not* the daughter of Constance Countess of Brittany, although Joan's mother may have been named Constance for all I know. The idea that John snuck in a poke between the death of his brother Geoffrey and the subsequent marriage of this Constance to Ranulph who then became the Duke (jure uxoris) of Brittany in 1188 is ridiculous.
And at any rate this Joan is named explicitly only a few times, but there is no indication that she ever remarried, in fact it appears she did not survive Llewellyn.
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To: Will Johnson <wjho...@aol.com>; gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2012 1:18 am
Subject: RE: Cuthbert Langton via Christopher Fitzrandolph
Will,
It is crazy working on so many "Langtons" who have the same names. Its a matter of finding the documents that
apply to the family of Langton who lived at Kyrkby. So far I have a Cuthbert, father Thomas and a Richard....who
I am working to place now. I seem to have got two families mixed up, but am working to correct that.
Here is where I got some of my information about Joan alleged da. of King John:
http://www.walesdirectory.co.uk/Heritage_Holidays/Llywelyn_the_Great_Trail.htm
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1997-06/0866480741
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan,_Lady_of_Wales
http://www.royalist.info/execute/tree?person=1769
http://plantagenesta.livejournal.com/53309.html
But, no matter, as I have NOT connected the Kyrkby Langtons to Joan...... hours of research down the tubes, but that being said, now I am
really enjoying being challenged to find the family of Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby.
251] Richard of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/159/mode/1up
1029] Thomas father to Cuthbert Langton of Kyrkby: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/522/mode/2up/search/cuthbert
449] Then of course you have John Langton of Kyrkby: http://books.google.com/books?id=mXrNZkP1M6oC&lpg=PP1&pg=PA235#v=onepage&q=langton&f=false
431] And then Thomas and John show up again: http://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/262/mode/2up/search/%22john+langton%22
Then I see this and the names and dates "seem" to match.....
Page 49, Vol30 Testamenta Eboracensia fo 258
http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA49&ots=cJQJJopyKH&dq=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&pg=PA49#v=onepage&q=%22Sir.%20John%20langton%22&f=false
Take a look.... I may be missing something!
Michael D. Warner
To: sang...@msn.com; gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Cuthbert Langton via Christopher Fitzrandolph
From: wjho...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:49:58 -0400
what is the specific evidence that King John had an illegitimate daughter Joan *who* married into this particular line. I find that to be a difficult item.
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Wjhonson
Sep 1, 2012, 11:43:10 AM9/1/12
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We can see however from this source that Agnes married to James Danby was not the daughter of John Langton, but rather the widow of his deceased son, also John.
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John Higgins
Sep 1, 2012, 12:38:51 PM9/1/12
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On Sep 1, 8:43 am, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> We can see however from this source that Agnes married to James Danby was not the daughter of John Langton, but rather the widow of his deceased son, also John.
>
>
>
"This source"? What source do you mean here?
> We can see however from this source that Agnes married to James Danby was not the daughter of John Langton, but rather the widow of his deceased son, also John.
>
>
>
A different version of both this connection and some of the steps in
the pedigree provided by John Watson is given in this source (pp.
176-7):
http://books.google.com/books?id=G2cuAAAAMAAJ
Wjhonson
Sep 1, 2012, 1:43:31 PM9/1/12
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John Langton of Farnley states clearly in his 4E4 will that Agnes was the widow of his deceased son John, that this Agnes is living and is now the wife of James Danby. He also names his own wife Agnes as already dead and buried at Leeds. He calls himself esquire, he doesn't give his dead son any title, but he states that he himself is the heir of his own father also John a Knight.
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What is your source for this will of John Langton?
> the message
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John Higgins
Sep 1, 2012, 4:52:49 PM9/1/12
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On Sep 1, 1:02 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> This was already posted before in this thread
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA49
You said that "We can see however from this source that Agnes married
> This was already posted before in this thread
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=SWgKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA49
to James Danby was not the daughter of John Langton, but rather the
widow of his deceased son, also John."
This summary of the will of John Langton (dated 6 Edward IV, not 4
widow of his deceased son, also John."
Edward IV as you previously stated) is taken from (and cites) vol. 30
of the Publications of the Surtees Society, which is vol. 2 of
Testamenta Eboracensia. Both the summary here and the full text and
comments in Test. Ebor. say clearly that Agnes Langton (m. Sir James
Danby) was the daughter (not the widow) of the deceased son of John
Langton, the testator in this will.
This is the text in the summary you cited: "Agnes, daughter of my son
John Langton, now dead, and now wife of the said James Danby". If you
check the actual text of the will in Test. Ebor. 2:177-8, you'll see
that its more archaic English (modernized in the summary) says exactly
the same thing. There certainly is no indication that Agnes was a
widow of a John Langton when she married Sir James Danby. Do you
agree?
The information in Test. Ebor. on the wills of John Langton and his
mother Euphemia support at least the order and rough dates of the John
Langtons as given by John Watson, although they don't give full
details on the wives. The order is:
1) Sir John Langton (d. 17 Mar 1459)
2) John Langton (will dated 22 Dec 6 Edward IV)
3) John Langton (will dated 4 Dec 1452)
4) Agnes Langton, m. Sir James Danby
This is clearly in disagreement with the source I cited earlier
(Wheater's "History of the Parishes of Sherburn and Cawood"). Wheater
apparently depended on Hopkinson's MSS of Yorkshire pedigrees, and his
version appears to match a Langton pedigree in Thoresby's Ducatus
Leodiensis, which is sharply criticized by the editor of Test. Ebor.
Accordingly, Wheater should probably be discarded as an authority on
at least these generations of the family.
John Wilson, can you provide sources for the line of Langtons that you
laid out?
BTW (for those who may be interested) these Langtons are ancestral to
Prince William - and of course his brother Harry, who has had so much
"exposure" recently! :-)
John Watson
Sep 1, 2012, 6:03:37 PM9/1/12
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I don't know who John Wilson is, but here are my sources for the
various Langtons:
Nicholas de Langton I
1. Surtees Society, Vol. 49, Kirkby's Inquest (Durham: 1866) p. 273
2. Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Yorkshire Inquisitions, Vol IV,
Record Series, Vol. XXXVII (1906) p. 74
3. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 2, p. 156
4. Harleian Society, Vol. 82, Knights of Edward I, Vol. III (London:
1930) p. 15
5. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 4, p. 189
Nicholas de Langton II
1. Surtees Society, Vol. 49, Kirkby's Inquest (Durham: 1866) p. 273n
2. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 4, p. 189
3. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 1, p. 231
4. Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, Vol. 42, Feet of
Fines for the County of York 1327-1347 (1910) p. 21
5. Durham Records Office [D/Sa/D 1544]
John de Langton I
1. Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, Vol. 42, Feet of
Fines for the County of York, 1327-1347 (1910) p. 23
2. Historical Manuscripts Commission, Report of the Manuscripts of
Reginald Rawdon Hastings, Esq., (HMSO, London: 1928) p. 179
3. Surtees Society, Vol. 49, Kirkby's Inquest (Durham: 1866) p. 273n
4. W. H. Bliss & C. Johnson, eds., Calendar of Entries in the Papal
Registers Relating to Great Britain, Vol III (HMSO, London: 1897) p.
578
5. Historical Manuscripts Commission, Report of the Manuscripts of
Reginald Rawdon Hastings, Esq., (HMSO, London: 1928) pp. 179-80
6. Historical Manuscripts Commission, Report of the Manuscripts of
Reginald Rawdon Hastings, Esq., (HMSO, London: 1928) p. 180
7. Surtees Society, Vol. 4, Testamenta Eboracesnsia - Part 1 (London:
1836) p. 70
8. 'Parishes: Terrington', A History of the County of York North
Riding: Volume 2 (1923), pp. 202-207
9. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 13, p. 208
10. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 3, Vol. 13, p. 432
11. Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 13: 1369-1374 (1911),
pp. 269-275
John de Langton II
1. G. Wrottesley, Pedigrees from The Plea Rolls (London: 1905) pp.
248-9
2. Chancery: Inquisitions Ad Quod Damnum, Henry III to Richard III, C
143/445/14
John de Langton III
1. W. H. Dixon, Fasti Eboracenses, Vol. 1 (London: 1863) p. 464
2. Calendar of Close Rolls, Richard II: volume 2: 1381-1385 (1920),
pp. 408-416
3. G. Wrottesley, Pedigrees from The Plea Rolls (London: 1905) pp.
248-9
4. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 13, p. 180
5. Chancery: Inquisitions Ad Quod Damnum, Henry III to Richard III, C
143/445/14
Sir John Langton
1. A History of the County of Essex: Vol. 4, Ongar Hundred, 1956, pp.
46 - 52, citing: Cal. Fine R. 1422-30, 28
2. Surtees Society, Vol. 2, Wills and Inventories, Part 1 (London:
1835) pp. 66-8
3. York University, Borthwick Institute of Historical Research: The
Yarburgh Muniments [YM/D/HES/MISC/1]
4. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry VI: volume 1: 1422-1429 (1933), pp.
177-182
5. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 6, Vol. 2, pp. 257-8
6. Exchequer: King's Remembrancer: Ancient Deeds, Series D, E
210/11254
7. Ralph Thoresby, Ducatus Leodiensis (London: 1715) p. 46
8. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 19, Henry VI, 1452-1461 (HMSO, London:
1939) p. 213
John Langton V
1. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part II (Durham:
1855) p. 258
2. William Wheater, The History of the Parishes of Sherburn and Cawood
(London: 1882) p. 177
3. Ralph Thoresby, Ducatus Leodiensis (London: 1715) p. 45
4. Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. XV (Leeds: 1900) p. 32
5. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part II (Durham:
1855) p. 277
John Langton VI
1. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part II, (Durham:
1855) p. 279n
2. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part II, (Durham:
1855) p. 277
3. Joseph Foster, Visitation of Yorkshire in 1584/5 and 1612 (London:
1875) p. 611
Regards,
John
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Sep 1, 2012, 6:11:47 PM9/1/12
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I have no idea how I saw what I saw....
Obviously I've had too much to drink today
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John Watson
Sep 1, 2012, 7:35:51 PM9/1/12
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A correction for John Langton . In the Calendar of Inquisitions Post
Mortem, Henry VII, Vol. 3 in the link I posted previously it states:
Richard Langton, the elder, esquire. Commission of concealments etc.
13 May, 21 Henry VII [1506]; inquisition 29 September. 22 Henry VII
[1506].
One John Langton, esquire, son and heir of John Langton knight,
deceased, long after his father's death was seised of the under-
mentioned moiety of a manor and lands in Grymston and Northmylford.
and by his charter tripartite dated 21 February, 4 Edward IV [1465],
gave them to Richard, Thomas, Henry and Nicholas, his sons,
successively, in tail male .... The aforesaid John Langton, esquire,
died on 3 February, 21 Henry VII [1506], and after his death the
reversion of all the premises descended to one Agnes Danby, widow, his
kinswoman and heir, to wit, daughter of John his son.
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry VII, Vol. 3 (1955) p. 159,
No. 251
Although John Langton, esquire made his will "on the xxij. day of
December in the sext yere of the reign of kyng Edwart fourt [22 Dec
1466] ." it appears that he didn't die until February 1506.
Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part II (Durham:
1855) p. 277
Regards,
1855) p. 277
John
joell...@gmail.com
Sep 16, 2012, 6:49:43 PM9/16/12
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Hello. Pleased to see this research occurring. I run the lostlangtons site with my father David. We are tracing each of the dozen or so Langton families from origin shortly after 1066 to today, though we have a lot more medieval stuff than most family sites.
The notts tree is probably the most under researched to date unfortunately. I'm currently working on Yorkshire which I've been working on on and off for about three years. The problem with Yorkshire is that there are two Langton villages (near Malton and another near Northallerton) plus archbishop Stephen and archbishop elect simon langtons line (from Langton by horncastle, lincs) set up there too. Worse they used aliases to try and fool the pope so it's hard to know which of the three families you are looking at some times. You also get bishop Walter (from west langton, Leicestershire - 53rd richest man of all time according to the Times) with prebends in Yorkshire too, and a couple of langtons from Durham come south as well.
The Nottingham Langton origin is uncertain but is likely to be Lenton in Nottingham.
I haven't read all the previous posts but will put this thread on my to do list. Could take me a year to get to it, but if your interested in our help then me or my dad will try to get involved much sooner.
Best
Joel
The notts tree is probably the most under researched to date unfortunately. I'm currently working on Yorkshire which I've been working on on and off for about three years. The problem with Yorkshire is that there are two Langton villages (near Malton and another near Northallerton) plus archbishop Stephen and archbishop elect simon langtons line (from Langton by horncastle, lincs) set up there too. Worse they used aliases to try and fool the pope so it's hard to know which of the three families you are looking at some times. You also get bishop Walter (from west langton, Leicestershire - 53rd richest man of all time according to the Times) with prebends in Yorkshire too, and a couple of langtons from Durham come south as well.
The Nottingham Langton origin is uncertain but is likely to be Lenton in Nottingham.
I haven't read all the previous posts but will put this thread on my to do list. Could take me a year to get to it, but if your interested in our help then me or my dad will try to get involved much sooner.
Best
Joel
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