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Nathan Murphy
May 7, 2019, 3:00:01 AM5/7/19
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Royal descents for Rowland Ellis (1650-1731), a Welsh Quaker immigrant to Pennsylvania, are traced in RA and RD900.[1] It is now known that his first wife’s nephew, Samuel Evans (~1690s-1772/74), also came to America. Credit goes to descendant Jack Lauman for this discovery. Lauman’s tree: https://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jlauman_1&id=I251796 . I present evidence for Samuel Evans’s ancestry for your review. I plan to make a separate post about their common ancestor Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd (d. 1598).
Rowland Ellis drew up his family tree sometime prior to 1697 and included lineages for his two wives Margaret Ellis and Margaret Roberts, see photograph: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t9q254495;view=1up;seq=300 . He demonstrates that the three of them were kin through common descent from his great-grandfather Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd. Margaret Ellis was Lewis’s great-great-granddaughter. Margaret Roberts was Lewis’s great-granddaughter.[2] In RA and RD900, Rowland’s royal descent is traced through Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd.
In Pennsylvania, Samuel Evans too recorded his family background. He states his father ‘John Evans Dyer of Dolgelle in Montgomery-Shire [recte Merionethshire] in the dominion of Wales, came over to Pennsylvania in the year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seven and brought with him two sons begotten by his lawful wife Elizabeth Ellis, Daughter of Ellis Morris … The oldest, Samuel and the youngest Ellis Evans, the said Ellis died in about two years after their arrival and their Father died in about five years after their arrival…’[3]
Margaret Ellis, wife of Rowland Ellis, and Elizabeth Ellis, wife of John Evans, were sisters - the daughters of Ellis Morris (~1610s-1693), of Dolgun in Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley (now spelled Dolgellau) Parish, Merionethshire, an important figure in the early history of the Society of Friends in Wales.[4] In his will, dated 3 March 1692[/3], Ellis left 5s. to his daughter Elizabeth Ellis, as well as 2s. to be equally divided between his granddaughters Anne and Jane, daughters of Rowland Ellis.[5]
Efforts were made to verify Samuel Evans’s family account. Ellis Maurice of Dolgynecha in ye County of Merion, gent. acquired 78 acres, 12 miles east of Newcastle Towne in the province of Pennsilvania, by lease and release dated 30-31 July 1682. Lewis Owen and Rowland Owen of Gwanas in the county of Merioneth Gentle[men] & Ellis Morris of Dolgun Ucha in the said County Gent sold to Thomas Ellis of Is Oregenan in the said county Gent sold this land in the Province of Pennsilvania in America on 30 June 1683.[6] Thomas Ellis emigrated to Pennsylvania and settled in the Welsh Tract at Haverford Township in Chester County. Administration of his estate (with will annexed) was granted to his widow Ellien Ellis in 16 3mo 1690.[7] His widow was Ellien Elliss. In her will dated 27 January 1692[/3], she appointed her nephew Daniel Humphrey executor.[8] Remarkably, it was possible to determine that 19 years later, in 1707, Daniel Humphreys and others, still acting as executors to the late Thomas Ellis’s estate sold some of this land in Merion Township to John Evans, of Merion Township, yeoman. Rowland Ellis is described as an adjacent landowner.[9] Recall 1707 is the year Samuel Evans said his father brought the family to Pennsylvania. There were several men in early Pennsylvania named John Evans, but this particular person, based on the geography, associations, chronology, and Samuel Evans’s family account, fits the bill to be his father. In short, John Evans purchased land in Merion Township, Pennsylvania in 1707 that may have once belonged to his Welsh grandfather Ellis Morris. At the least, the land was probably in the same general region.
Efforts are ongoing to locate the Quaker marriage for John Evans to Elizabeth Ellis in Wales, his son Samuel’s birth record, John’s burial in Pennsylvania, Elizabeth’s burial in Wales, and Samuel’s burial in Pennsylvania. Both of Samuel’s marriages in Pennsylvania are recorded in Quaker records.[10] When Rowland Ellis sold land in Merion Township to Henry Pugh on 24 June 1709, a property boundary was ‘land late of John Evans.’[11] No deeds were registered for John Evans selling this land. This ambiguous statement may mean he was dead. If so, the family account may be off by a few years, as Samuel stated his father died five years after arrival (c1712), according to a transcript. It’s also possible he is identical to John Evans, of North Wales, Philadelphia Co., Pa., who purchased land from Lewis Walker [future father-in-law of Samuel Evans] in 1712.[15]
FAMILY OF JOHN EVANS
JOHN EVANS, according to his son, was a dyer from Dolgelley, Montgomeryshire [recte Merionethshire], Wales.[12] His marriage probably occurred in the 1690s at a Quaker ceremony in Dolgelley, estimating a birth of sometime in the 1660s. His bride was ELIZABETH ELLIS, the daughter of Morris Ellis (see below). She was baptized in the established church at Dolgelley on 10 January 1663[/4].[13] Elizabeth evidently died before 1707, when John Evans and his sons Samuel Evans and Ellis Evans emigrated to Pennsylvania. It has been concluded that he is the John Evans who bought land in Merion Township in 1707.[9] Samuel states John died five years after arrival, or circa 1712, but he may have been dead by 24 June 1709.[11]
Children of John Evans by Elizabeth Ellis:
i. SAMUEL EVANS, cooper and yeoman, of Norriton Twp., Philadelphia Co., Pa., b. by 1699 (estimating age 21 or older when he says he first purchased land in 1720), d. betw. 12 Nov. 1772 and 6 June 1774 (dates of will and probate).[14] He m. (1) Radnor Monthly Meeting, Chester Co., Pa., 10 April 1724, HANNAH WALKER.[10] Hannah, b. Radnor Monthly Meeting, 15 Nov. (9mo) 1699, the daughter of Lewis Walker.[15] Samuel m. (2) Gwynedd Monthly Meeting, Pa., 25 June 1747, ANNE (RHOADS) (COULSTON) FOULK,[10] most recently the widow of Evan Foulk, who was the son of gateway Edward Foulk, another Merionethshire native.[16] Samuel Ellis had six children by his first wife, and a seventh child by his second wife.[3]
ii. ELLIS EVANS, b. by 1707, d.s.p. c1709.[3]
FAMILY OF ELLIS MORRIS
ELLIS MORRIS of Dolgun in Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley Parish, Merionethshire, probably married at Dolgelley a few years before the earliest parish register survives (entries begin in 1640), estimating a birth in the 1610s. He was supportive of the Quaker faith. The first regularly Yearly (or Half-Yearly) Meeting in Wales was held at Ellis Morris’s house in 1683[/4].[17] His wife was JANE FERCH ELLISSA AP SION.[18] She survived him. His will is dated 3 March 1692[/3] and was proved 3 May 1693.[5]
Ellis Morris’s father, Moris ap Ellissa, paid a subsidy of 4s. on lands valued 20s. at Dolgelley in 1636.[19] In an agreement, dated 28 August 1654, for depasturing land called Extent Mawr on Alt Dolgelley, Ellis Morris for Dolgyn Uchaf is listed with five cows.[20] In the hearth tax of c1666, Ellis Morris is recorded at Garthgunneth Township, which editors suggest might be an alternative spelling of Garthgynfor Township.[21]
Will of Ellis Morris of Garthgy...er [fold] in the County of Merioneth sicke of body
Will dated: 3 Mar 1692[/3]
Will proved: 3 May 1693 by oath of Jane v[er]ch Ellisa widow and relict of the said deceased
Eldest dau: Ellin Ellis 20s.
Dau: Anne Ellis 5s.
Dau: Hanah Ellis one of the best Cowes now in Calfe
Dau: Marry Ellis one milch Cowe
Dau: Elizabeth Ellis 5s.
Granddaus: Anne & Jane the daught[e]rs of Rowland Ellis 2s. equally divided
Grandson: Morris Ellis one greate brass pott with one bed steed lyeing in the lower parlour
Grandson: William Ellis £60 due by speciallty upon David Jones of Nanney
Grandson: Richard Ellis 1s.
Granddau: Catherine Ellis 1s.
Granddau: Margarett Ellis 1s.
It[e]m I give & bequeath \ye sume of twenty shillinges Current English money/ unto the people Called Quakers to be by them dispossed of to such Charitable uses as they shall think fitt
Cousin: John Owens clerk, overseer
Son-in-law: Lewis Owen, overseer
Wife: Jane v[er]ch Elissey, executrix
Wits: William Roberts, “O R” The m[a]rke of Owen Roberd, John Owen cler[ic]
Signed: Ellis Moris[5]
Children of Rowland Ellis by Jane ferch Ellissa ap Sion (order uncertain, all bp. cited occurred at Dolgelley):[22]
i. JOHN ELLIS, gent., bp. Dec 1643, listed in pedigree in ‘Dolgun-Uchaf: A Late-Medieval Hall-House,’ father of Morris Ellis, gent., of Greslwyd, living 1720.[4]
ii. ELLEN ELLIS, eldest daughter, m. LEWIS OWEN, of Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley Parish, d. bef. 8 Nov. 1699,[23] overseer in father-in-law’s will, Ellen legatee in father’s will.[5] Son and heir: Owen Lewis.[23]
iii. MARGARET ELLIS, b. say 1650, d. c1674, m. Dolgelley, 3 May 1670, ROWLAND ELLIS.[22] Rowland and his two children are mentioned in Ellis Morris’s will.[5] He emigrated to Pennsylvania.[2] Children: (1) Anne, bp. Dolgelley, 19 Feb 1672[/3],[22] (m. Richard Johnson, Rector, of Ken…, Montgomeryshire and Dolgelley, Merionethshire; children: William, Benjamin, Vincent, and Anne);[24] (2) Jane (spinster in 1696/7).[24]
iv. ALICE ELLIS, legatee in father’s will.
v. HANNAH ELLIS, bp. 21 Nov 1660, legatee in father’s will.
vi. MARY ELLIS, bp. 21 Nov 1660, legatee in father’s will. Possible marriages at Dolgelley: 1685[/6] Hugh David & Mary Ellis; 1687 Evan Llywelyn & Mary Ellis.[22]
vii. ELIZABETH ELLIS, bp. 10 Jan 1663/4, m. JOHN EVANS (see above).
REFERENCES
[1] RA 2:493; RD900 1:229; Robert Owen, ‘Ellis, Rowland (1650-1731), Welsh-American Quaker,’ 1959, Dictionary of Welsh Biography, https://biography.wales/article/s-ELLI-ROW-1650 . Owen is 22 years off in regards to year of Rowland Ellis’s first marriage.
[2] Thomas Allen Glenn, ‘Manuscript Pedigrees of First Colonists: Rowland Ellis, of Merion, and Wives, 1697,’ in Welsh Founders of Pennsylvania, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1911), 1:146-148, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112001614996;view=1up;seq=184 .
Rowland Ellis’s description of his great-grandfather: ‘Lewis son of Sion[?] Gruffrydd ap Howell & beth v[er]ch dd llwyd’
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t9q254495;view=1up;seq=300
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Owen ap Lewis
3. Robert Owen
4. Margaret Robert
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Owen ap Lewis
3. Ellin ferch Owen ap Lewis
4. Ellis ap Morris
5. Margaret Ellis
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Rees ap Lewis
3. Ellis ap Rees
4. Rowland Ellis
Rowland Ellis’s wives were first cousins once removed. He was second cousin once removed to his first wife and a second cousin to his second wife.
[3] ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3,
No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’
[4] P. Smith and R. Suggett, ‘Dolgun-Uchaf: A Late-Medieval Hall-House,’ Journal of the Merioneth Historical and Record Society 92 (1995):95-110. They state it is unclear if Ellis Morris was a Quaker. He did support the faith, as evidenced by a bequest to the Quakers in his will, and allowing his house to be used as a Quaker place of worship. Also, it should be noted, his burial is not registered in the established church’s burial register at Dolgelley (Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register [Family History Library [FHL] Microfilm 2456300 item 13]).
[5] Will of Ellis Morris, proved 3 May 1693, B1693-69, Consistory Court of Bangor, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/695868 .
[6] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. C1:79-82, 165-166 [FHL Microfilm 21874]. The deed books microfilmed by FamilySearch are a later transcription, not the original registered deeds. Transcribers may have made errors in copying Welsh place-names.
[7] Carl T. Smith, Philadelphia Administrations, 1683-1744, MSS., Historical Society of Pennsylvania [FHL Microfilm 384817].
[8] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Will Bk. A:223-225 [FHL Microfilm 21721 item 2]. Executor Daniel Humphr(e)y(s) of Haverford Twp., Chester Co., Pa. is another gateway ancestor from Merionethshire, Wales, see RD900 1:510.
[9] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. E4:13-17 [FHL Microfilm 21875 item 2]; Mary Marshall Brewer, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Land Records, 1706-1713 (Westminster, Md., 2000), 44-45.
[10] First marriage: Radnor Monthly Meeting (Marriages, Births, and Burial Certificates, 1684-1729), 391-392, digital images, ‘U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935,’ Ancestry. Parents not named. Witnesses included Rowland Ellis.
Second marriage: Gwynedd Monthly Meeting, Women’s Meeting, 25 6mo 1747: Samuel Evans & Ann Foulke declared intention to marry; another entry the same day states the marriage was accomplished and records that she had children by a former husband, digital images, ‘U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935,’ Ancestry.
[11] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. E6:35-37 [FHL Microfilm 21875 item 4]; Mary Marshall Brewer, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Land Records, 1706-1713 (Westminster, Md., 2000), 93.
[12] ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3,
No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’ Dolgelley was the county town of Merionethshire. The woolen trade was an important industry there (T.P. Ellis, The Story of Two Parishes Dolgelley & Lllanelltyd [Newtown, Wales, 1923], chapter 17, https://sites.rootsweb.com/~wlsmer2/DolgaLLan/stuart.htm ).
[13] Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register (FHL Microfilm 2456300 item 12).
[14] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Will Bk. Q:16 [FHL Microfilm 21727 item 2; digital image, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9B2-2SJB-V?i=309&cat=353446 ].
[15] Priscilla Walker Streets, Lewis Walker of Chester Valley and His Descendants (Philadelphia, 1896), 26-39, 47 https://archive.org/details/lewiswalkerofche00stre/page/46 . In 1712, Lewis Walker sold 100 acres in Whiteland, Chester Co. to a man named John Evans, of North Wales, Philadelphia Co., yeoman. Stephen Ellis witnessed the transaction. It is currently unclear if this is Samuel’s father. A record of this land being sold by John Evans wasn’t found in Chester Co., Pa. deed indexes (https://www.chesco.org/1402/Deeds-1688-1865 ).
[16] For Edward Foulke as a gateway ancestor, see RD900 1:658.
[17] William Gregory Norris, John ap John, and Early Records of Friends in Wales [Supplement to the Journal of the Friends’ Historical Society] (London, 1907), 30, https://books.google.com/books?id=oxbuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA30 .
[18] Jane v[er]ch Ellisey (also Ellisa) in husband’s will (Will of Ellis Morris, proved 3 May 1693, B1693-69, Consistory Court of Bangor, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/695868 ); ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3, No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’
[19] Welsh Records from the Collection of the late Howard Williams Lloyd, Lloyd Manuscripts (Lancaster, Pa., 1912), 369, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t4fn1rf75;view=1up;seq=389 .
[20] ‘Miscellanea, XCI: Extent Mawr, Merioneth,’ Collections Historical & Archaeological Relating to Montgomeryshire and Its Borders 15 (1882):420-422, https://books.google.com/books?id=eNc4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA422 .
[21] E179/222/400a, f31v (abstract in Lay Subsidy Rolls for Merionethshire, 16th-17th Century, 18162D, National Library of Wales [FHL Microfilm 827865 item 3]); E 179 Database, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/e179 .
[22] Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register (FHL Microfilm 2456300 items 12-13):
--Baptisms
1642 Jul 02, Elizabetha filia Ludovici John Griffyth & Elizabethae [uxoris] euis baptizata fuit secundo die Julij
1643 Dec Johannes filius Elisej Moris & Jana uxoris eius baptizatus fuit [blurred] die Decembris
1646 Apr 17 Owenus filius Ludovicj ap John Griffyth et Elizabethae uxoris eius baptizato fuit 17o die Aprilis
Many names in 1640s and 1650s too faint to read---
1660 Nov 21 Hanna filia Elicei Moris de Dolgûn Baptizata fuit vicessimo primo die Novembris 1660
1660 Nov 21 Maria filia Elisei Moris de Dolgûn Baptizata fuit vicessimo primo die Novembris 1660
1663[/4] Jan 10 ...a...etha filia Elisei Moris et Jane uxoris eius baptizata e[st] decimo die Januarij Anno pr[e]dict[o] (Image 582)
167[1/]2 Feb 19, Anna filia Rowlandi Ellis et Margaretae uxoris ejus baptizata fuit decimo nono die Februarij Anno Domini 1672
--Marriages
1670 Rolandus Ellis & Margareta Ellis coniuncti fuerunt in matrimonio tertio die May Anno pred[icto]
1685[/6] Feb 02 Matrimonium Celebratum fuit inter Hugonem David et Mariam Ellis hujus p[ar]ochiae secundo die Februarij
1687 Nov 05 Matrimonium Celebratum fuit inter Evanum Llywelyn p[ar]ochiae de Llangylynnin et Mariam Ellis hujus p[ar]ochiae quinto die Novembris
[23] Inventory of Estate of Lewis Owen, Bangor Diocese, National Library of Wales; digital image, https://viewer.library.wales/117769 :
Inventory estate of Lewis Owen of Garthgynvor in the parish of Dolgelley & County of Merioneth now deceased
Dated: 8 Nov 1699
Appraisers: Owen Robert and Griffith ap Richard
Estate total value £831 17s., which included £630 12s.
Exhibited 18 Nov 1699 by Owen Lewis son and heir of Lewis Owen of Garthgynvor parish of Dolgelley, County of Merioneth, Diocese of Bangor, intestate deceased, renunciation of Ellen Ellis widow and relict of said deceased
Ellin Ellis Widdow the relict & Administratrix of Lewis Owen of Garthgynver in the p[ar]ish of Dolgelley County of Merioneth & Diocesse of Bangor intestate deceased
Renounces administration authorizes Mr Owen Morris & Mr Owen Griffith Notaries Publicke & Generall Procutors of the Consistory Court of Bangor [to act for her]
Dated: 9 Nov 1699
Wits: Richard Griffith, Maurice Kadwalader, David Owen
For more particulars on the family of Lewis Owen, see: ‘Lewis (and Owen of Tyddyn-y-garreg, Dolgelley, and Humphrey (and Owen), of Llwyn-du, Llangelynnin, Merioneth,’ 1959, Dictionary of Welsh Biography, https://biography.wales/article/s-LEWI-OWE-1598 ; ‘Miscellanea, XC: Documents Relating to Quaker Burial-Grounds in Merionethshire,’ Collections Historical & Archaeological Relating to Montgomeryshire and Its Borders 15 (1882):415-420, https://books.google.com/books?id=T_MHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA415 .
[24] Will of Richard Johnson, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/145075 .
Will of Richard John[so]n Cler[ic] Rector of the Parish & Parish Church of Ken..s in the Countye of Mountgomerye
Will dated: 8 Mar 1716[/7]
Will proved: 11 Mar 1717[/8] by oath of Anne Johnson widow and relict of the deceased one of the executors with power reserved to William, Benjamin, Vincent, and Anne legitimate children of the said deceased when they come of age
Indenture quadrapartite dated 9 Jan 1696[/7] between Rowland Ellis of Bryn-Mawr in the Countye of Merionith Gentleman and Jane Ellis one of the daughters of the sayd Rowland Ellis Spinster of the first parte, And me the said Richard Johnson & Anne my wife another of the daughters of the sayd Rowland Ellis of the second parte, And Lewis Owen of Tyddyn garreg in the sayd Countye Gentleman & John Vaughan of Penarthwnion[?] in the sayd Countye Gentleman of the third parte And Howell Vaughan of Hengwrt in the sayd Countye Esq. And Griffith Vaughan of Doly melyn llyn in the sayd Countye Gentleman of the fourth parte … acknowledge a fine att the great Sessions then after to be held for the Countye of Merionith
Friends: Owen Lewis of Llwynder in the Countye of Merionith Gentl & Robert Vaughan of Penarddwnion in the sayd County Gentl … for benefitt and education of William, Benjamin, [smudged named] & Anne my [smudge] Children equally
Younger children
Son: William all my bookes & Manuscripts
Wife and younger children coexecutors
Wits: Bridgett Reestyn[?], Anne Gwynn, Argalus De...reux
Sleeve: Dolgelley, Will of Richard Johnson Clerk dec’d 11 Mar 1717[/8]
Nathan
Rowland Ellis drew up his family tree sometime prior to 1697 and included lineages for his two wives Margaret Ellis and Margaret Roberts, see photograph: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t9q254495;view=1up;seq=300 . He demonstrates that the three of them were kin through common descent from his great-grandfather Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd. Margaret Ellis was Lewis’s great-great-granddaughter. Margaret Roberts was Lewis’s great-granddaughter.[2] In RA and RD900, Rowland’s royal descent is traced through Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd.
In Pennsylvania, Samuel Evans too recorded his family background. He states his father ‘John Evans Dyer of Dolgelle in Montgomery-Shire [recte Merionethshire] in the dominion of Wales, came over to Pennsylvania in the year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seven and brought with him two sons begotten by his lawful wife Elizabeth Ellis, Daughter of Ellis Morris … The oldest, Samuel and the youngest Ellis Evans, the said Ellis died in about two years after their arrival and their Father died in about five years after their arrival…’[3]
Margaret Ellis, wife of Rowland Ellis, and Elizabeth Ellis, wife of John Evans, were sisters - the daughters of Ellis Morris (~1610s-1693), of Dolgun in Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley (now spelled Dolgellau) Parish, Merionethshire, an important figure in the early history of the Society of Friends in Wales.[4] In his will, dated 3 March 1692[/3], Ellis left 5s. to his daughter Elizabeth Ellis, as well as 2s. to be equally divided between his granddaughters Anne and Jane, daughters of Rowland Ellis.[5]
Efforts were made to verify Samuel Evans’s family account. Ellis Maurice of Dolgynecha in ye County of Merion, gent. acquired 78 acres, 12 miles east of Newcastle Towne in the province of Pennsilvania, by lease and release dated 30-31 July 1682. Lewis Owen and Rowland Owen of Gwanas in the county of Merioneth Gentle[men] & Ellis Morris of Dolgun Ucha in the said County Gent sold to Thomas Ellis of Is Oregenan in the said county Gent sold this land in the Province of Pennsilvania in America on 30 June 1683.[6] Thomas Ellis emigrated to Pennsylvania and settled in the Welsh Tract at Haverford Township in Chester County. Administration of his estate (with will annexed) was granted to his widow Ellien Ellis in 16 3mo 1690.[7] His widow was Ellien Elliss. In her will dated 27 January 1692[/3], she appointed her nephew Daniel Humphrey executor.[8] Remarkably, it was possible to determine that 19 years later, in 1707, Daniel Humphreys and others, still acting as executors to the late Thomas Ellis’s estate sold some of this land in Merion Township to John Evans, of Merion Township, yeoman. Rowland Ellis is described as an adjacent landowner.[9] Recall 1707 is the year Samuel Evans said his father brought the family to Pennsylvania. There were several men in early Pennsylvania named John Evans, but this particular person, based on the geography, associations, chronology, and Samuel Evans’s family account, fits the bill to be his father. In short, John Evans purchased land in Merion Township, Pennsylvania in 1707 that may have once belonged to his Welsh grandfather Ellis Morris. At the least, the land was probably in the same general region.
Efforts are ongoing to locate the Quaker marriage for John Evans to Elizabeth Ellis in Wales, his son Samuel’s birth record, John’s burial in Pennsylvania, Elizabeth’s burial in Wales, and Samuel’s burial in Pennsylvania. Both of Samuel’s marriages in Pennsylvania are recorded in Quaker records.[10] When Rowland Ellis sold land in Merion Township to Henry Pugh on 24 June 1709, a property boundary was ‘land late of John Evans.’[11] No deeds were registered for John Evans selling this land. This ambiguous statement may mean he was dead. If so, the family account may be off by a few years, as Samuel stated his father died five years after arrival (c1712), according to a transcript. It’s also possible he is identical to John Evans, of North Wales, Philadelphia Co., Pa., who purchased land from Lewis Walker [future father-in-law of Samuel Evans] in 1712.[15]
FAMILY OF JOHN EVANS
JOHN EVANS, according to his son, was a dyer from Dolgelley, Montgomeryshire [recte Merionethshire], Wales.[12] His marriage probably occurred in the 1690s at a Quaker ceremony in Dolgelley, estimating a birth of sometime in the 1660s. His bride was ELIZABETH ELLIS, the daughter of Morris Ellis (see below). She was baptized in the established church at Dolgelley on 10 January 1663[/4].[13] Elizabeth evidently died before 1707, when John Evans and his sons Samuel Evans and Ellis Evans emigrated to Pennsylvania. It has been concluded that he is the John Evans who bought land in Merion Township in 1707.[9] Samuel states John died five years after arrival, or circa 1712, but he may have been dead by 24 June 1709.[11]
Children of John Evans by Elizabeth Ellis:
i. SAMUEL EVANS, cooper and yeoman, of Norriton Twp., Philadelphia Co., Pa., b. by 1699 (estimating age 21 or older when he says he first purchased land in 1720), d. betw. 12 Nov. 1772 and 6 June 1774 (dates of will and probate).[14] He m. (1) Radnor Monthly Meeting, Chester Co., Pa., 10 April 1724, HANNAH WALKER.[10] Hannah, b. Radnor Monthly Meeting, 15 Nov. (9mo) 1699, the daughter of Lewis Walker.[15] Samuel m. (2) Gwynedd Monthly Meeting, Pa., 25 June 1747, ANNE (RHOADS) (COULSTON) FOULK,[10] most recently the widow of Evan Foulk, who was the son of gateway Edward Foulk, another Merionethshire native.[16] Samuel Ellis had six children by his first wife, and a seventh child by his second wife.[3]
ii. ELLIS EVANS, b. by 1707, d.s.p. c1709.[3]
FAMILY OF ELLIS MORRIS
ELLIS MORRIS of Dolgun in Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley Parish, Merionethshire, probably married at Dolgelley a few years before the earliest parish register survives (entries begin in 1640), estimating a birth in the 1610s. He was supportive of the Quaker faith. The first regularly Yearly (or Half-Yearly) Meeting in Wales was held at Ellis Morris’s house in 1683[/4].[17] His wife was JANE FERCH ELLISSA AP SION.[18] She survived him. His will is dated 3 March 1692[/3] and was proved 3 May 1693.[5]
Ellis Morris’s father, Moris ap Ellissa, paid a subsidy of 4s. on lands valued 20s. at Dolgelley in 1636.[19] In an agreement, dated 28 August 1654, for depasturing land called Extent Mawr on Alt Dolgelley, Ellis Morris for Dolgyn Uchaf is listed with five cows.[20] In the hearth tax of c1666, Ellis Morris is recorded at Garthgunneth Township, which editors suggest might be an alternative spelling of Garthgynfor Township.[21]
Will of Ellis Morris of Garthgy...er [fold] in the County of Merioneth sicke of body
Will dated: 3 Mar 1692[/3]
Will proved: 3 May 1693 by oath of Jane v[er]ch Ellisa widow and relict of the said deceased
Eldest dau: Ellin Ellis 20s.
Dau: Anne Ellis 5s.
Dau: Hanah Ellis one of the best Cowes now in Calfe
Dau: Marry Ellis one milch Cowe
Dau: Elizabeth Ellis 5s.
Granddaus: Anne & Jane the daught[e]rs of Rowland Ellis 2s. equally divided
Grandson: Morris Ellis one greate brass pott with one bed steed lyeing in the lower parlour
Grandson: William Ellis £60 due by speciallty upon David Jones of Nanney
Grandson: Richard Ellis 1s.
Granddau: Catherine Ellis 1s.
Granddau: Margarett Ellis 1s.
It[e]m I give & bequeath \ye sume of twenty shillinges Current English money/ unto the people Called Quakers to be by them dispossed of to such Charitable uses as they shall think fitt
Cousin: John Owens clerk, overseer
Son-in-law: Lewis Owen, overseer
Wife: Jane v[er]ch Elissey, executrix
Wits: William Roberts, “O R” The m[a]rke of Owen Roberd, John Owen cler[ic]
Signed: Ellis Moris[5]
Children of Rowland Ellis by Jane ferch Ellissa ap Sion (order uncertain, all bp. cited occurred at Dolgelley):[22]
i. JOHN ELLIS, gent., bp. Dec 1643, listed in pedigree in ‘Dolgun-Uchaf: A Late-Medieval Hall-House,’ father of Morris Ellis, gent., of Greslwyd, living 1720.[4]
ii. ELLEN ELLIS, eldest daughter, m. LEWIS OWEN, of Garthgynfor Township, Dolgelley Parish, d. bef. 8 Nov. 1699,[23] overseer in father-in-law’s will, Ellen legatee in father’s will.[5] Son and heir: Owen Lewis.[23]
iii. MARGARET ELLIS, b. say 1650, d. c1674, m. Dolgelley, 3 May 1670, ROWLAND ELLIS.[22] Rowland and his two children are mentioned in Ellis Morris’s will.[5] He emigrated to Pennsylvania.[2] Children: (1) Anne, bp. Dolgelley, 19 Feb 1672[/3],[22] (m. Richard Johnson, Rector, of Ken…, Montgomeryshire and Dolgelley, Merionethshire; children: William, Benjamin, Vincent, and Anne);[24] (2) Jane (spinster in 1696/7).[24]
iv. ALICE ELLIS, legatee in father’s will.
v. HANNAH ELLIS, bp. 21 Nov 1660, legatee in father’s will.
vi. MARY ELLIS, bp. 21 Nov 1660, legatee in father’s will. Possible marriages at Dolgelley: 1685[/6] Hugh David & Mary Ellis; 1687 Evan Llywelyn & Mary Ellis.[22]
vii. ELIZABETH ELLIS, bp. 10 Jan 1663/4, m. JOHN EVANS (see above).
REFERENCES
[1] RA 2:493; RD900 1:229; Robert Owen, ‘Ellis, Rowland (1650-1731), Welsh-American Quaker,’ 1959, Dictionary of Welsh Biography, https://biography.wales/article/s-ELLI-ROW-1650 . Owen is 22 years off in regards to year of Rowland Ellis’s first marriage.
[2] Thomas Allen Glenn, ‘Manuscript Pedigrees of First Colonists: Rowland Ellis, of Merion, and Wives, 1697,’ in Welsh Founders of Pennsylvania, 2 vols. (Oxford, 1911), 1:146-148, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112001614996;view=1up;seq=184 .
Rowland Ellis’s description of his great-grandfather: ‘Lewis son of Sion[?] Gruffrydd ap Howell & beth v[er]ch dd llwyd’
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t9q254495;view=1up;seq=300
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Owen ap Lewis
3. Robert Owen
4. Margaret Robert
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Owen ap Lewis
3. Ellin ferch Owen ap Lewis
4. Ellis ap Morris
5. Margaret Ellis
1. Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
2. Rees ap Lewis
3. Ellis ap Rees
4. Rowland Ellis
Rowland Ellis’s wives were first cousins once removed. He was second cousin once removed to his first wife and a second cousin to his second wife.
[3] ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3,
No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’
[4] P. Smith and R. Suggett, ‘Dolgun-Uchaf: A Late-Medieval Hall-House,’ Journal of the Merioneth Historical and Record Society 92 (1995):95-110. They state it is unclear if Ellis Morris was a Quaker. He did support the faith, as evidenced by a bequest to the Quakers in his will, and allowing his house to be used as a Quaker place of worship. Also, it should be noted, his burial is not registered in the established church’s burial register at Dolgelley (Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register [Family History Library [FHL] Microfilm 2456300 item 13]).
[5] Will of Ellis Morris, proved 3 May 1693, B1693-69, Consistory Court of Bangor, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/695868 .
[6] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. C1:79-82, 165-166 [FHL Microfilm 21874]. The deed books microfilmed by FamilySearch are a later transcription, not the original registered deeds. Transcribers may have made errors in copying Welsh place-names.
[7] Carl T. Smith, Philadelphia Administrations, 1683-1744, MSS., Historical Society of Pennsylvania [FHL Microfilm 384817].
[8] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Will Bk. A:223-225 [FHL Microfilm 21721 item 2]. Executor Daniel Humphr(e)y(s) of Haverford Twp., Chester Co., Pa. is another gateway ancestor from Merionethshire, Wales, see RD900 1:510.
[9] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. E4:13-17 [FHL Microfilm 21875 item 2]; Mary Marshall Brewer, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Land Records, 1706-1713 (Westminster, Md., 2000), 44-45.
[10] First marriage: Radnor Monthly Meeting (Marriages, Births, and Burial Certificates, 1684-1729), 391-392, digital images, ‘U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935,’ Ancestry. Parents not named. Witnesses included Rowland Ellis.
Second marriage: Gwynedd Monthly Meeting, Women’s Meeting, 25 6mo 1747: Samuel Evans & Ann Foulke declared intention to marry; another entry the same day states the marriage was accomplished and records that she had children by a former husband, digital images, ‘U.S., Quaker Meeting Records, 1681-1935,’ Ancestry.
[11] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Deed Bk. E6:35-37 [FHL Microfilm 21875 item 4]; Mary Marshall Brewer, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Land Records, 1706-1713 (Westminster, Md., 2000), 93.
[12] ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3,
No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’ Dolgelley was the county town of Merionethshire. The woolen trade was an important industry there (T.P. Ellis, The Story of Two Parishes Dolgelley & Lllanelltyd [Newtown, Wales, 1923], chapter 17, https://sites.rootsweb.com/~wlsmer2/DolgaLLan/stuart.htm ).
[13] Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register (FHL Microfilm 2456300 item 12).
[14] Philadelphia Co., Pa. Will Bk. Q:16 [FHL Microfilm 21727 item 2; digital image, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9B2-2SJB-V?i=309&cat=353446 ].
[15] Priscilla Walker Streets, Lewis Walker of Chester Valley and His Descendants (Philadelphia, 1896), 26-39, 47 https://archive.org/details/lewiswalkerofche00stre/page/46 . In 1712, Lewis Walker sold 100 acres in Whiteland, Chester Co. to a man named John Evans, of North Wales, Philadelphia Co., yeoman. Stephen Ellis witnessed the transaction. It is currently unclear if this is Samuel’s father. A record of this land being sold by John Evans wasn’t found in Chester Co., Pa. deed indexes (https://www.chesco.org/1402/Deeds-1688-1865 ).
[16] For Edward Foulke as a gateway ancestor, see RD900 1:658.
[17] William Gregory Norris, John ap John, and Early Records of Friends in Wales [Supplement to the Journal of the Friends’ Historical Society] (London, 1907), 30, https://books.google.com/books?id=oxbuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA30 .
[18] Jane v[er]ch Ellisey (also Ellisa) in husband’s will (Will of Ellis Morris, proved 3 May 1693, B1693-69, Consistory Court of Bangor, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/695868 ); ‘Evans Notes,’ Publications of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania, Vol. 3, No. 2 (Jan. 1907):142-143, https://archive.org/details/publicationsof190608gene/page/n277 : ‘Copy of paper written by Samuel Evans of Norriton in possession of Isaac Robert Davis of Philadelphia.’
[19] Welsh Records from the Collection of the late Howard Williams Lloyd, Lloyd Manuscripts (Lancaster, Pa., 1912), 369, https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t4fn1rf75;view=1up;seq=389 .
[20] ‘Miscellanea, XCI: Extent Mawr, Merioneth,’ Collections Historical & Archaeological Relating to Montgomeryshire and Its Borders 15 (1882):420-422, https://books.google.com/books?id=eNc4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA422 .
[21] E179/222/400a, f31v (abstract in Lay Subsidy Rolls for Merionethshire, 16th-17th Century, 18162D, National Library of Wales [FHL Microfilm 827865 item 3]); E 179 Database, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/e179 .
[22] Dolgelley, Merionethshire, parish register (FHL Microfilm 2456300 items 12-13):
--Baptisms
1642 Jul 02, Elizabetha filia Ludovici John Griffyth & Elizabethae [uxoris] euis baptizata fuit secundo die Julij
1643 Dec Johannes filius Elisej Moris & Jana uxoris eius baptizatus fuit [blurred] die Decembris
1646 Apr 17 Owenus filius Ludovicj ap John Griffyth et Elizabethae uxoris eius baptizato fuit 17o die Aprilis
Many names in 1640s and 1650s too faint to read---
1660 Nov 21 Hanna filia Elicei Moris de Dolgûn Baptizata fuit vicessimo primo die Novembris 1660
1660 Nov 21 Maria filia Elisei Moris de Dolgûn Baptizata fuit vicessimo primo die Novembris 1660
1663[/4] Jan 10 ...a...etha filia Elisei Moris et Jane uxoris eius baptizata e[st] decimo die Januarij Anno pr[e]dict[o] (Image 582)
167[1/]2 Feb 19, Anna filia Rowlandi Ellis et Margaretae uxoris ejus baptizata fuit decimo nono die Februarij Anno Domini 1672
--Marriages
1670 Rolandus Ellis & Margareta Ellis coniuncti fuerunt in matrimonio tertio die May Anno pred[icto]
1685[/6] Feb 02 Matrimonium Celebratum fuit inter Hugonem David et Mariam Ellis hujus p[ar]ochiae secundo die Februarij
1687 Nov 05 Matrimonium Celebratum fuit inter Evanum Llywelyn p[ar]ochiae de Llangylynnin et Mariam Ellis hujus p[ar]ochiae quinto die Novembris
[23] Inventory of Estate of Lewis Owen, Bangor Diocese, National Library of Wales; digital image, https://viewer.library.wales/117769 :
Inventory estate of Lewis Owen of Garthgynvor in the parish of Dolgelley & County of Merioneth now deceased
Dated: 8 Nov 1699
Appraisers: Owen Robert and Griffith ap Richard
Estate total value £831 17s., which included £630 12s.
Exhibited 18 Nov 1699 by Owen Lewis son and heir of Lewis Owen of Garthgynvor parish of Dolgelley, County of Merioneth, Diocese of Bangor, intestate deceased, renunciation of Ellen Ellis widow and relict of said deceased
Ellin Ellis Widdow the relict & Administratrix of Lewis Owen of Garthgynver in the p[ar]ish of Dolgelley County of Merioneth & Diocesse of Bangor intestate deceased
Renounces administration authorizes Mr Owen Morris & Mr Owen Griffith Notaries Publicke & Generall Procutors of the Consistory Court of Bangor [to act for her]
Dated: 9 Nov 1699
Wits: Richard Griffith, Maurice Kadwalader, David Owen
For more particulars on the family of Lewis Owen, see: ‘Lewis (and Owen of Tyddyn-y-garreg, Dolgelley, and Humphrey (and Owen), of Llwyn-du, Llangelynnin, Merioneth,’ 1959, Dictionary of Welsh Biography, https://biography.wales/article/s-LEWI-OWE-1598 ; ‘Miscellanea, XC: Documents Relating to Quaker Burial-Grounds in Merionethshire,’ Collections Historical & Archaeological Relating to Montgomeryshire and Its Borders 15 (1882):415-420, https://books.google.com/books?id=T_MHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA415 .
[24] Will of Richard Johnson, National Library of Wales; digital image, http://hdl.handle.net/10107/145075 .
Will of Richard John[so]n Cler[ic] Rector of the Parish & Parish Church of Ken..s in the Countye of Mountgomerye
Will dated: 8 Mar 1716[/7]
Will proved: 11 Mar 1717[/8] by oath of Anne Johnson widow and relict of the deceased one of the executors with power reserved to William, Benjamin, Vincent, and Anne legitimate children of the said deceased when they come of age
Indenture quadrapartite dated 9 Jan 1696[/7] between Rowland Ellis of Bryn-Mawr in the Countye of Merionith Gentleman and Jane Ellis one of the daughters of the sayd Rowland Ellis Spinster of the first parte, And me the said Richard Johnson & Anne my wife another of the daughters of the sayd Rowland Ellis of the second parte, And Lewis Owen of Tyddyn garreg in the sayd Countye Gentleman & John Vaughan of Penarthwnion[?] in the sayd Countye Gentleman of the third parte And Howell Vaughan of Hengwrt in the sayd Countye Esq. And Griffith Vaughan of Doly melyn llyn in the sayd Countye Gentleman of the fourth parte … acknowledge a fine att the great Sessions then after to be held for the Countye of Merionith
Friends: Owen Lewis of Llwynder in the Countye of Merionith Gentl & Robert Vaughan of Penarddwnion in the sayd County Gentl … for benefitt and education of William, Benjamin, [smudged named] & Anne my [smudge] Children equally
Younger children
Son: William all my bookes & Manuscripts
Wife and younger children coexecutors
Wits: Bridgett Reestyn[?], Anne Gwynn, Argalus De...reux
Sleeve: Dolgelley, Will of Richard Johnson Clerk dec’d 11 Mar 1717[/8]
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Nathan Murphy
May 10, 2019, 1:59:10 AM5/10/19
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On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 1:00:01 AM UTC-6, Nathan Murphy wrote:
> I plan to make a separate post about their common ancestor Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd (d. 1598).
Pedigree differences for Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd
> I plan to make a separate post about their common ancestor Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd (d. 1598).
As mentioned in the previous post, Rowland Ellis, sometime before 1697, drew up a pedigree for himself and both his wives, demonstrating common descent for the three from his great-grandfather Lewis, the son of Sion [John] Gruffrydd ap Howell by Elin v[er]ch Howel ap Gr.
Comparison of pedigrees for Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd:
(a) Vaughan, Robert (d. 1667), Llyfr Achau, Peniarth 287, NLW [FHL Microfilm 104387 it 3].
(b) Glenn, Merion in the Welsh Tract (1896), 218-219 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t9q254495;view=1up;seq=296
(c) Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies, AD 1400-1500 (1983).
GENERATION ONE
1. (a) Lewis ap Jo’n gr: (d. c1598), (b) Lewis ap John Griffith (liv. 1654), (c) [too recent, not included]
=Elin v[er]ch How ap Gr:, (b) Elen, dau. Howell ap Griffith, (c) [too recent, not included]
GENERATION TWO
2. (a) John v[?] Gruffith ap Howel ap Gr: Derwas, (b) John Nannau, alias John ap Griffith, of Nannau, (c) John
3. (a) Elsbeth v[er]ch dd llwyd ap Gruff Vy’n, (b) Elizabeth dau. David Lloyd, (c) Elsbeth f. Dd. Llwyd ap Gr.
GENERATION THREE
4. (a) Gr, (b) Griffith ap Howell, of Nannau, (c) Gruffudd
5. (a) Lowri v[er]ch Tud’r ap Gr: ap Enion, (b) Jane, dau. Humphrey ap Howell ap Ievan, (c) Lowri f. Tudur
GENERATION FOUR
8. (a) Howel ap Gr., (b) Howell ap David, of Nannau, (c) Hywel ap Gruffudd Derwas
9. (a) Golenbryd v[er]ch Mred: ap Jenn Vy’n, (b) Ellen, dau. of Robert Salsbury, (c) Golenbryd f. Maredudd
10. (a) Tud’r ap Gr: ap Enion, (b) Humphrey ap Howell ap Ievan, (c) Tudur
11. (a) [possibly not stated], (b) Anne dau. Sir Richard Herbert, (c) Gwenh. f. Edmund Stanley
In Welsh Medieval Database, by FamilySearch’s Medieval Unit, the compiler flags a conflict/error for the parentage of Lewys ap John:
‘Glenn's Merion in the Welsh Tract (1896) makes "Lewis ap John ap Gruffudd" a son of "John Nannau alias John ap Gruffudd" and "Elsbeth ferch Dafydd Llywd", but this couple had only two daughters Elen and Jane.’ https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KH2-1B9
In 1588, Hugh Nanney, Esg., told Dwnn (Deputy Herald at Arms) that his brother John N[annau] had two children Elen and Sian [Jane]. He doesn’t mention a son named Lewis for John. He stated John’s wife was Elsbth v Dd Lld ab Llewn ab Jeun ab Ierwth o Drawsvynd. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uiug.30112037684310;view=1up;seq=241
The names are very similar, but Glenn merged two distinct couples named John ap Gruffudd and Elsbeth verch Dafydd Llwyd. Glenn had access to Dwnn’s pedigree, but had apparently not seen Vaughan’s work. He incorrectly concluded that Lewis’s father was John Nannau in Dwnn:
Vaughan
2. John v[?] Gruffith ap Howel ap Gr: Derwas
3. Elsbeth v[er]ch dd llwyd ap Gruff Vy’n
Dwnn
2. John N[annau], son of Gr. Nannau Esgr., grandson of Howel Nanau, great-grandson of Davydd
3. Elsbth v Dd Lld ab Llewn ab Jeun ab Ierwth o Drawsvynd
The names of John’s great-grandfathers differ. The names of Elsbeth’s grandfather’s differ. Vaughan and Bartrum’s pedigrees do not list Jane ferch Humphrey as ancestors that would belong to these Pennsylvania Quaker immigrants. Glenn’s version of the pedigree appears in RA and RD900. If it is concluded that Glenn’s pedigree is wrong, which seems to be the case, it affects the royal descents. Can better royal descents be traced for Rowland Ellis and his wives’s nephews Samuel Evans and Ellis Lewis? Perhaps through the Stanleys?
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John Higgins
May 10, 2019, 8:55:46 PM5/10/19
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But Glenn clearly confused two couples with similar names: John [Nannau] ap Gruffudd [Nannau] ap Hywel ap Dafydd and his wife Elsbeth ferch Dafydd Llwyd ap Llywelyn ab Ieuan, versus John ap Gruffudd ap Hywel ap Gruffudd Derwas and his wife Elsbeth ferch Dafydd Llwyd ap Gruffudd Fychan Ap Gruffudd.
The entry for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd in the "Dictionary of Welsh Biography" makes it clear that the latter of these two couples are the parents of Lewys. The article also discusses the Quaker descendants of Lewys who emmigrated to Pennsylvania - and are treated in Glenn's books. So this couple are definitely the right parents for Lewys - not the parents given by Glenn and carried forward by RD and RA.
https://biography.wales/article/s-LEWI-OWE-1598
If Glenn's books are to be used AT ALL today in support of Welsh lines, they need to be checked against more recent (or more recently available) sources - notably Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies, now easily available online, and the extensive compilation of Welsh genealogies in the FHL's Welsh Medieval Database. Neither source may be entirely accurate but they're certainly better than relying solely on Glenn now. This caveat applies not just to newly written works, but also to compilations that are repeatedly reissued without being fully reviewed for revisions - such as the RD series and the Richardson works repackaged under various names.
BTW there appear to be Plantagenet descents behind the "new" parents for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd, but probably nothing as good as the Henry IV line he's enjoyed for so many years.
Nathan Murphy
May 10, 2019, 11:14:30 PM5/10/19
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>BTW there appear to be Plantagenet descents behind the "new" parents for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd, but probably nothing as good as the Henry IV line he's enjoyed for so many years.
A few more notes on Lewis himself.
In Llyfr Achau, next to Lewis's name is written: 'obijt Lewis an’o Elizab: regine qadges[cut off] octavo die Augusti ut pat[?] p[] Inquisicion.' It would make sense that this is the source of the death date listed in DWB - 8 Aug 40[?] Elizabeth [40 Eliz would be 1598]. Hence my question about where would one look to find an Inquisition Post Mortem for a Welshman from 1598.
Glenn stated Lewis was still alive 28 August 1654. I believe I've located the document he saw, same date, but it must be a different man with the same name:
1654 Aug 28, Agreement for depasturing Extent Mawr on Alt Dolgelley, in which Lewis ap John Griffith for Dewisbren and Dreberfeder agreed to depasture nine cows (‘Miscellanea, XCI: Extent Mawr, Merioneth,’ Collections Historical & Archaeological Relating to Montgomeryshire and Its Borders 15 (1882):420-422, https://books.google.com/books?id=eNc4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA420 ).
In Dolgelley’s parish register it is recorded that there was a second Lewis ap John Griffyth, who had a wife Elizabeth, and baptized children there: Elizabeth (1642), and Owen (1646). He could be the man in the 1654 agreement.
The original agreement is still preserved in the National Library of Wales (Peniarth Estate Records): https://discover.library.wales/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=44NLW_ATM1457354&context=L&vid=44WHELF_NLW_NUI&lang=en_US&search_scope=LSCOP_INLIBRARY&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=tab4&query=any,contains,1654%20Dolgelley&sortby=rank&offset=0
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John Higgins
May 11, 2019, 3:28:25 PM5/11/19
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On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-7, John Higgins wrote:
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> BTW there appear to be Plantagenet descents behind the "new" parents for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd, but probably nothing as good as the Henry IV line he's enjoyed for so many years.
The "best" royal descents for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd now appear to be from King John, via his illegitimate daughter Joan. If there are "better" descents, I'll be interested to hear of them.
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> BTW there appear to be Plantagenet descents behind the "new" parents for Lewys ap John ap Gruffudd, but probably nothing as good as the Henry IV line he's enjoyed for so many years.
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