C.P.Addition: Bluet marriage of Isabel de Beaumont, widow of Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke
Douglas Richardson
Karen Repko recently posted an interesting record dated in the reign
of King Henry II, in which a certain William Bluet is styled brother
of Earl Richard ["frater comitis Ricardi"]. An abstract of this
record can be found in the National Archives catalogue as shown below:
National Archives Catalogue
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
E 327/298:
Grantor: William Bloet, brother of Earl Richard; Grantee: Warin de
Baseville; Place or Subject: Grant of land in Heacham and La Wike;
County: [Norfolk]
Covering dates [Henry II]. END OF QUOTE.
Based on this record, David Crouch has suggested in his book, William
Marshal, Knighthood, War and Chivalry, 1147-1219, page 149 that
William Bluet was married to a sister of Richard de Clare (nicknamed
Strongbow), 2nd Earl of Pembroke. However, my study of medieval
kinships indicates that the two men would be half-brothers to each
other, not brothers-in-law. If so, this would indicate that Earl
Richard de Clare's mother, Isabel de Beaumont, married (2nd) some time
after 6 Jan. 1147/8 (death of her known husband) to _____ Bluet.
According to Karen's private e-mail to me today, Isabel de Beaumont is
stated to still be living as late as 1172. As such, there is ample
time for Isabel to have been left a young widow in 1148, and remarried
to a Bluet 2nd husband.
.
Elsewhere I fnd that there is an ancient list of obits (deaths)
recorded in Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire, which religious house was
founded in 1131 by Walter Fitz Richard, a member of the Clare family.
This list is printed in William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 5
(1825): 266, which can be found at the following weblink:
The list of obits is for the founders ["fundatorum"] of the Abbey
[that is, the Clare family], and their near kinsfolk ["genere
propinquo eorum"]. Included among the people on this list is Walter
Fitz Richard, founder of the Abbey, and many of his other well known
Clare relations. Curiously, this list includes an obit for Ralph
Bluet the younger, whose obit was commemorated on the 13th of July,
presumably the date of his death:
"Radulfus Bloeth junior obiit xiij die Julii.".
While the inclusion of Ralph Bluet's obit in this list of Clare
kinsfolk is not concrete proof of an intermarriage between Isabel de
Beaumont and the Bluet family, this is certainly good supporting
evidence that the Bluet and Clare families were near related to one
another. At the present time, I'm uncertain as to the identity of
Ralph Bluet the younger. However, it is possible that he was the
second husband of Isabel de Beaumont, which would readily explain his
inclusion in the list of obits. If so, then he would necessarily be
the father of William Bluet, who was styled brother of Earl Richard de
Clare in the record first cited above.
I believe that Karen Repko has a copy of the original document in
which William Bluet is styled brother of Earl Richard. If so, perhaps
Karen would be willing to make a scanned copy of this document
available, so that someone to provide a full transcript in English.
Special thanks go to Karen for sharing her research findings with the
newsgroup. This matter deserves further study.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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COPY OF KAREN REPKO'S EARLIER POST
Subject: E 327/298 William Bloet, brother of Earl Richard(Strongbow)
Date: 17 Mar 2007 12:28:39 -0700
I have previously posted a few questions about the Bloet family and
their medieval connections per Dr. Crouch's book.
I recently posted an email reply which Dr. Crouch had been kind enough
to send me reply to questions I had directed to him on. One question
was his mention of a marriage between William Bloet and a daughter of
Gilbert de Clare(Strongbow) in his book "William Marshal, Knighthood,
War and Chivalry, 1147-1219" pg 149. In answer to my request for
information on this marriage, Dr. Crouch directed me to the E327/298
reference in the National Archives. I did a quick lookup and it does
say " Grantor:William Bloet'frater comitis Ricardi', brother of Earl
Richard; Grantee: Warin de Baseville...subject: Grant of land in
Heacham and La Wike; county Norfolk...dated before 1168.
Is this a 3rd marriage for Basilea, or is the kinship mentioned
through a possible illigetimate daughter, or even more far fetched...a
3rd marriage for Gilberts' widow Isabel, and therefore a half brother
of Earl Richard?
Could someone with more knowledge give a helping hand here?
Thanks...Cheers,
Karen Repko
Douglas Richardson
> Are you suggesting that William Bluet was a grantor of land at a date before
> 1168 and that he was born after 1148, i.e. made a grant of land whilst under
> aged, or have I misinterpreted you post.
Dear Adrian ~
If you read my post carefully again, you will see that the charter
involving William Bluet is dated temp. Henry II according to the
National Archives, not before 1168 as Karen stated in her previous
post. King Henry II ruled from 1154 to 1189.
A likely terminus date for the charter would be pre-1176 when Earl
Richard de Clare died.
My apologies if the two dates for the charter (National Archives vs.
Karen) confused you.
mj...@btinternet.com
>
> Elsewhere I fnd that there is an ancient list of obits (deaths)
> recorded in Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire, which religious house was
> founded in 1131 by Walter Fitz Richard, a member of the Clare family.
> This list is printed in William Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum, 5
> (1825): 266, which can be found at the following weblink:
>
>
> The list of obits is for the founders ["fundatorum"] of the Abbey
> [that is, the Clare family], and their near kinsfolk ["genere
> propinquo eorum"]. Included among the people on this list is Walter
> Fitz Richard, founder of the Abbey, and many of his other well known
> Clare relations. Curiously, this list includes an obit for Ralph
> Bluet the younger, whose obit was commemorated on the 13th of July,
> presumably the date of his death:
>
> "Radulfus Bloeth junior obiit xiij die Julii.".
>
> While the inclusion of Ralph Bluet's obit in this list of Clare
> kinsfolk is not concrete proof of an intermarriage between Isabel de
> Beaumont and the Bluet family, this is certainly good supporting
> evidence that the Bluet and Clare families were near related to one
> another. At the present time, I'm uncertain as to the identity of
> Ralph Bluet the younger.
I wonder whether it is likely that this was one of the men of this
name who were long associated with the de Clares, being amongst their
prominent supporters in the Marches. Ralph (d c1157) served Gilbert
and Richard, Earls of Pembroke; his son and successor Ralph (d 1199)
continued in the service of Earl Richard, and ODNB states that "on the
earl's death Ralph and his younger brother William were granted
wardship of the honour of Striguil and Chepstow Castle, which they
jointly held until 1185". His son, another Ralph, died in 1241 or
1242. While not ruling out a genealogical or marital connection
between the families, the Tintern obit may just reflect a close
connection - others are commemorated in the obit list who are not
members of the de Clare family - eg the King and Queen of France.
MA-R
kar...@aol.com
Dear Adrian and Doug,
Actually it was Dr. Crouch who gave me the date of 1168 in private
email, I actually think that a date of 1168 or 1169 is possible, as
mention is made in the body of the grant (my novice translation) to a
grant by Robert II of Liecester of 10 pound worth of land to Willm
Bloet, which is part of the land being granted to Warin de Basevilla
worth 100 shillings. I also think that this grant is executed in the
court of Robert III of Leicester...so that pretty much dates it
between 1168 and 1185 when I have William's possible date of death.
I believe that the Ralph the younger that Doug has mentioned is
Ralph Bloet II who died possibly close to 1157, he is also the father
of the Ralph Bloet III who married Nesta the one time mistress of
Henry II, and the mother of a bastard son named Morgan. Both William
of the grant in question, and his brother Ralph Bloet III were keepers
of Strigoil/Chepstow Castle, and it was Ralph III who turned Chepstow
over to William Marshal. The Bloet/Bluets have been under tenants in
the Honor of Strigoil ( Silchester, Hilmarton and Lackham...plus other
smaller estates) since Doomsday.
One more mention of a Bloet and de Clare connection, Richard
FitzGilbert,1st Earl of Pembroke granted the castle and lands of
Ragland to Walter Bloet, CP vol X, pg 357...note "f".
I am not sure this will prove out, but it is a puzzle to be
investigated...and we all love a good puzzle I think.
Cheers,
Karen Repko
Douglas Richardson
Beaumont's mother, Isabel de Vermandois. See the following weblink:
http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=hwbradley&id=I11861&style=TABLE
DR
mj...@btinternet.com
(correction of top-posting)
> On May 11, 3:25 pm, m...@btinternet.com wrote:
>
> > While not ruling out a genealogical or marital connection
> > between the families, the Tintern obit may just reflect a close
> > connection - others are commemorated in the obit list who are not
> > members of the de Clare family - eg the King and Queen of France.
> The Clares were near related to the Kings of France through Isabel de
> Beaumont's mother, Isabel de Vermandois.
Yes, but not to those named in the Tintern obit list (unless you have
a different idea of "close/near" than normal).
"Blanchia Regina Franciae", who was commemorated on 28 November, was
Blanche of Castille, wife of King Louis VIII; she died in November
1252. Via Isabel of Vermandois, her relationship to the then head of
the family, Roger Bigod, Earl Marshal (commemorated 7 December), was
that of widow of his fourth cousin twice removed, i.e. not a close one
by any normal reckoning. (There was a closer relationship, based on a
shared descent from Geoffrey of Anjou - viz half second cousins once
removed, but this is still not particularly close, and does not
involve the connection by which the Tintern Abbey interest passed to
Roger Bigod).
"Johannes Rex Franciae" is harder to identify, as his assigned death
date of 6 November is a less exact match, but possibly John I 'le
Posthume' (died November 1316) is intended [John II, the only other
French King of that name, died in April 1364]. Through the French
royal family, he was so distant from the de Clare heirs at the time of
his death that I haven't even bothered to work out the relationship -
he was however a half-first cousin once removed of the then Earl
Marshal (Thomas of Brotherton, successor to Ralph Bigod; died 1338 and
listed as 24 August).
Robert, Count of Artois [Attrebatensis] has a death date of 8 February
- for once, actually a match (1250). This French prince was the son
of Queen Blanche, and thus via the Vermandois link a fifth cousin once
removed to Earl Roger (and a half third cousin via the Plantagenets) -
again, not a close relationship.
Then we have "Margaret, Countess of Flanders, died 4 December". I
suspect this is Margaret of Lorraine, wife successively of Ralph,
Count of Vermandois, and Baldwin V of Hainault, although the death
date does not seem to tally; she died in November 1194. By her first
marriage she was, at the time of her death, the widow of the Countess
of Pembroke's first cousin twice removed. Assuming my identification
is correct, I would be prepared to call this a close relationship.
"Margareta comitessa Blesensis" (Margaret Countess of Blois) is given
a death-date of 12 July. She was the daughter of Alix of France, and
thus granddaughter of Louis VII; at the time of her death in 1230 she
was a fourth cousin once removed to the head of the Marshal's family,
the Countess Maud (d 1248).
It would therefore seem that this list, despite its heading, is not
made up solely of close relatives of the de Clare family.
Regards, Michael
Douglas Richardson
Thank you for clarifying the date of the charter issued by William
Bluet as given by Dr. Crouch. The date 1168-1189 is much better than
"before 1168" as stated in your earlier post. I find it interesting
that William Bluet issued the charter at the court of Robert de
Beaumont III, Earl of Leicester. Earl Robert III would of course have
William Bluet's mother's nephew, or his own first cousin.
Regarding the position of William Bluet in the Bluet family tree, I
understand that Dr. Crouch has identified William Bluet as the son of
Ralph Bluet, of Silchester, Hampshire, and Lacock, Wiltshire, which
individual allegedly died c.1157. Is that correct? If so, the
chronology would mesh very well with that of William Bluet's mother,
Isabel de Beaumont, living 1172, whose first husband, Gilbert Fitz
Gilbert (de Clare), Earl of Pembroke, died c.1147/8.
Dr. Crouch and my own research assigns Ralph Bluet (died c. 1157) at
least one other son, Ralph Bluet the younger, who was lord of
Silchester, Hampshire and Lacock, Wiltshire. Ralph Bluet the younger
evidently came oif age in or before 1174-1175, as I find a reference
to him in the Pipe Rolls of that date as follows:
Source: Great Roll of the Pipe for the Twenty-First Year of the Reign
of King Henry the Second, A.D. 1174-1175 (Pipe Roll Soc. 22) (1897).
pg. 194 sub Hampshire
"Et de .1. m. de Silcestr' [Silchester] Rad. Bloet p. def." END OF
QUOTE.
If the date of 1174-1175 can be sustained for the younger Ralph coming
of age, then it would appear that he is likewise a son of Ralph Bluet,
senior, by the elder Ralph's marriage to Isabel de Beaumont. I assume
younger Ralph is also the Ralph Bluet "junior" whose obit is recorded
among the obits of Clare near relatives recorded at Tintern Abbey. If
Isabel de Beaumont was his mother, that would readily explain his
incusion in the list of Clare obits.
I don't immediately have any further particulars regarding Ralph Bluet
the younger, other than I know that his wife, Nest, was sometime the
mistress of King Henry II, by whom she had an illegitimate son,
Morgan, who was Provost of Beverley and later Bishop elect of Durham.
Morgan the king's son first surfaces in the records in 1201, when he
was appointed Provost of Beverly by his half-brother, Geoffrey,
Archbishop of York. Archbishop Geoffrey was also an illegitimate son
of King Henry II, but by a different mother. I've posted below what
information I have in my files regarding Morgan's known history. The
material below expands on the details of Morgan's life provided in my
book, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004).
Morgan's chronology would agree well with his mother, Nest, being
married to Ralph Bluet the younger, who was born say 1150.
When you have a moment, Karen, perhaps you could post what particulars
you have on the Bluet family from Dr. Crouch's book. In the meantime,
thank you once again for sharing your research findings with the
newsgroup.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Biography of Morgan, Provost of Beverley:
He occurs once as Archdeacon of Richmond, but without date. He was
appointed Provost of Beverley by his half-brother, Geoffrey,
Archbishop of York in 1201, which appointment was appealed by Simon,
Dean of York, who alleged that the archbishop had promised the
reversion of the provostship to him before the death of the previous
provost, Robert. In the period, 1201-c. 1212, he witnessed a charter
of Andrew, Prior of Kirkham, to the hospital of St. Peter, York. In
1207 there was a suit between Morgan, Provost of Beverley, and Robert
the Constable the younger. In 1212 Robert the Constable made
acknowledgement to Morgan that the church of Halsham, Yorkshire was
the right of St. John of Beverley by the gift of Robert the Constable
his uncle. Morgan was elected Bishop of Durham between 7 March and 7
May 1215 on King John's suggestion. In 1216 King John granted a
prebend to the Archdeacon of Poitou "if Morgan, Provost of Beverley,
be promoted to a bishopric." Morgan travelled to Rome, but his
election as bishop was quashed by the Pope due to his illegitimacy.
He subsequently returned to England and took vows as a crusader. The
Pope granted his benefices, as belonging to a crusader, to the Master
of the Temple in England for the prosecution of the crusade. However,
Morgan died intestate as oblate at Fountains Abbey in 1217, before he
could set out. When it was learned that Morgan had resigned all of
his benefices before his death, Pope Honorius III wrote a letter to
Archbishop Walter Gray dated 6 November 1217, in which he rescinded
the earlier grant to the Master of the Temple; the same day he
likewise sent a mandate to the Master of the Temple ordering him to
pay the proceeds of the benefices in question to the persons collated
to them.
References:
Sandford, Gen. Hist. of the Kings of England (1677): 72. Flaherty,
The Annals of England; an epitome of English Hist. 1 (1855): 242
("another natural son, Morgan, became Provost of Beverley, and in 1215
was elected to the see of Durham, but rejected by the pope on the
ground of his illegitimate birth, which he proudly refused to conceal,
by taking, as the pontiff is said to have been advised, the name of
Bloet, that of his mother."). Historiae Dunelmensis (Surtees Soc. 9)
(1839): 31 ("dominum Morganum praepositum Beverlacensem, fratrem
ejusdem Regis"), 35 ("Anno Domini millesimo CCXIII Morganus, frater
Regis Johannis et Galfridi Archiepiscopi Eboracensis, Praepositusque
Beverlacensis, electus in episcopum Dunelmensem per monachos ejusdem
ecclesiae, curiam Romanam adiit, ut munus consecrationis ibi
reciperet. Sed, Rege Angliae hoc procurante, cassatus rediit, quia
spurius fuit; de uxore vero cujusdam militis, dicti Radulphi Bloeth,
Henricus pater ejus genuerat eum."). Walbran, Memorials of the Abbey
of St. Mary of Fountains 1 (Surtees Soc. 42) (1863): 165-166. Stubbs,
Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene 4 (Rolls Ser. 51) (1871): 174
(sub 1201: "Eodem anno obiit Robertus praepositus Beverlacensis
ecclesiae; praeposituram Gaufridus Eboracensis archiepiscopus dedit
Morgant fratri suo, filio Henrici regis ..."). Gray, The Register, or
Rolls, of Walter Gray, Lord Archbishop of York (Surtees Soc. 56)
(1872): 1, 130, 224. Pedes Finium Ebor, Regnante Johanne, A.D. MCXCIX-
A.D. MCCXIV (Surtees Soc. 94) (1897): 171. Stubbs, Hist.
Introductions to the Rolls Ser. (1902): 289. Leach, Memorials of
Beverley Minster 2 (1903): xvii-xxi, cx. Early Yorkshire Charters 1
(1914): 206; 3 (1916): 79-80 (citing Abbrev. Plac., 57). VCH York 3
(1913): 22, 356. NEHGR 119 (1965): 94-102. Given-Wilson, Royal
Bastards of Medieval England (1984): 9-10, 99, 130, 179. Bicchiere,
Letters & Charters of Cardinal Guala Bicchiere Papal Legate in England
1216-1218 (Canterbury & York Soc. 83) (1996): 55. Greenaway, Fasti
Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066-1300 2 (1971): 29-32; 6 (1999): 47-52, 110-
118. Leese, Blood Royal (1996): 57.
From: kar...@aol.com
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Subject: Re: C.P.Addition: Bluet marriage of Isabel de Beaumont, widow
of Gilbert de C...
Date: 12 May 2007 11:21:59 -0700
On May 11, 3:40=EF=BF=BDpm, ADRIANCHANNIN...@aol.com wrote:
> Oh, I see what you mean, he was a son by a former wife of __ Bluet?
>
> Adrian
>
> In a message dated 11/05/2007 20:25:21 GMT Standard Time, =A0
>
> ADRIANCHANNIN...@aol.com writes:
>
> Are you =A0suggesting that William Bluet was a grantor of land at a date =
=A0
> before =A0
> 1168 and that he was born after 1148, i.e. made a grant of land =A0 whilst
> under
> aged, or have I misinterpreted you post.
>
> (BTW, in my =A01990 edition of David Crouch's book, the suggestion is on =
page =A0
> 139 =A0not 149)
>
> Adrian
Hello Adrian,
Thank you for your participation in this Bloet discussion, all
interest is welcome as I am still very much a novice in this area.
(BTW, you are correct) ...in the 1990 edition of Crouch's book "
William Marshal, Court, Career and Chivalry in the Angevin Empire
1147-1219" the Bloets are mentioned on both pages 138 and 139.
~ BUT ~
In the second edition for the Pearson Education publishing copy,
Crouch changed the title of the book to... " William Marshal,
Knighthood, War and Chivalry, 1147-1219" and the Bloet information can
be found on pages 148 and 149.
Also, I believe that Doug was suggesting that the date of 1168 is
the earlest possible one for this grant (which was supplied to me by
Dr. Crouch in personal email), was given as 1168 because it was
witnessed by Robert de Beaumont/ 3rd Earl Leicester's personal house
knights from the witness list of the actual grant. It was Dr. Crouch
who gave the 1168 date, I apologize for any confusion here, as I may
have only stated the earlier date to Doug.
I am posting a copy of the email as received from Dr. Crouch to
further clear this up:
Subject: RE: Questions about Bloets
Date: 3/20/2007 7:26:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: D.Cro...@hull.ac.uk
Reply To:
To: Kar...@aol.com
Karen
Apologies, I misquoted the source. The charter is by <Willelmus Bloet
frater comitis Ricardi> by which he grants to Warin de Basevilla 100
shillings worth of land in Hecham and La Wike (Higham on the Hill,
Leics, by my identification - Heacham, co Norf, was not a member of
the honor of Leicester) half of the ten pounds worth of land given
William by Earl Robert II of Leicester, this for =EF=BF=BD knight's
fee. =
The grant is executed in the court of Robert III of Leicester as is
clear
from the witness list. It must date between 1168 and 1189.
David
I hope that anyone wishing to see this grant will ask, and I will
gladly attach a file with a scanned copy of the grant to them via
reply email.
Cheers,
Karen Repko
Douglas Richardson
Another indication that the Bluet family is well connected is the
reference in a charter issued by Thurstan le Despenser to Godstow
Abbey. In this charter, Thurstan le Despenser names his wife, Lucy,
his brother, Ralph le Despenser, and his mother, Alda Bluet. I
believe the reference to Alda Bluet is an instance of a well connected
medieval woman using her maiden name after marriage. If so, Alda
Bluet would surely come from a family of some prominence.
For a copy of Thurstan le Despenser's charter, see the following
weblink:
Alda Bluet likewise issued a charter in her own name to Little Malvern
Abbey concerning land in Knightwick, Worcestershire, which charter can
be found at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=lioEAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA240&dq=Bluet+Despenser#PRA1-PA238,M1
The charter is witnessed by Alda Bluet's son, Thurstan le Despenser.
Alda Bluet's seal is attached to this charter which bears her name.
The following weblink identifies Alda Bluet's husband as Amaury le
Despenser, who received a confirmation of the manors of King's Worthy,
Hampshire and King's Stanley, Gloucestershire in the reign of King
John:
http://books.google.com/books?id=JS4EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA6&dq=%22Thurstan+le+Despenser%22#PPA6,M1
Amaury le Despenser was dead before 1215, when custody of the manor of
King's Stanley, Gloucestershire was granted to Roland Bluet, the
guardian of Amaury's son and heir, Thurstan le Despenser. See the
following three weblinks for further particulars:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=15870&strquery=Thurstan%20Despenser
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=56850&strquery=Thurstan%20Despenser
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=43149&strquery=Thurstan%20Despenser
Given the chronology and the fact that Alda Bluet named a son, Ralph,
it would seem a good bet that Alda Bluet, wife of Amaury le Despenser,
was a daughter of Ralph Bluet the younger, d. c. 1199, of Silchester,
Hampshire and Lackham, Wiltshire, by his wife, Nest. If this is the
correct placement of Alda Bluet, she would be the half-sister of
Morgan the king's son who was Provost of Beverley and Bishop elect of
Durham.
There is also an account of the early history this Despenser family
found in Complete Peerage, 4 (1916): 287, footnote c (sub Despenser).
This account mentions Alda Bluet in passing, but makes no attempt to
place her parentage or discuss her prominent ancestry.
Thomas Benjamin Hertzel
> Regarding the position of William Bluet in the Bluet family tree, I
> understand that Dr. Crouch has identified William Bluet as the son of
> Ralph Bluet, of Silchester, Hampshire, and Lacock, Wiltshire, which
> individual allegedly died c.1157.
Do you know if the Bluet family has been thoroughly researched? I have been
able to find only one record of a William Bluet, father of Elizabeth. The
History of Parliament (Wedgwood) says Elizabeth married John FitzJames (1443
- 1510, the son of John FitzJames and Alice Newburgh), but gives nothing
further on William, nor on his Bluet connections.
Any suggestions?
Thank you.
Thomas Hertzel
mj...@btinternet.com
Thomas
There is an article by Dr Crouch on the family in the Oxford
Dictionary of National Biography which is fairly useful (but doesn't
extend to the 15th century); additionally, Katherine Keats-Rohan in
her "Domesday Descendants" sub 'Radulf Bloiet' refers to a discussion
of the family of Robert Bloet, Bishop of Lincoln to 1123 by R.
Foreville in Studia Anselmiana xli (Rome, 1957), 21 n; again, this is
likely to be too early for your William. There is various material in
the Victoria County History Series, some of which are online here:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.asp
Does HoP indicate where William lived or held property?
Cheers, Michael
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Have a look at the bottom of the page at:
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=1&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\
A2A_com.xsl&keyword=bluet&properties=0601
Also their file
"SANFORD FAMILY OF NYMEHEAD, PERSONAL AND ESTATE PAPERS
Catalogue Ref. DD\SF"
Has quite a few Bluet hits which may be of interest, although I have not
studied this page.
By the way, you may find these pages easier to follow by clicking the
Catalogue if full option at the top of the page.
Adrian
In a message dated 15/05/2007 04:02:09 GMT Standard Time, ja...@millcomm.com
writes:
kar...@aol.com
> Have you looked at the Public Records Office A2A Web pages?
>
> Have a look at the bottom of the page at:
>
> A2A_com.xsl&keyword=bluet&properties=0601
>
> Also their file
> "SANFORD FAMILY OF NYMEHEAD, PERSONAL AND ESTATE PAPERS
> Catalogue Ref. DD\SF"
> studied this page.
>
> By the way, you may find these pages easier to follow by clicking the
> Catalogue if full option at the top of the page.
>
> Adrian
>
> writes:
> Do you know if theBluetfamily has been thoroughly researched? I have been
> able to find only one record of a WilliamBluet, father of Elizabeth. The
> History of Parliament (Wedgwood) says Elizabeth married John FitzJames (1443
> - 1510, the son of John FitzJames and Alice Newburgh), but gives nothing
> further on William, nor on hisBluetconnections.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Thomas Hertzel
Hello Newsgroup and Douglas,
Douglas have you been able to locate any further record or evidence
showing a possible marriage between Ralph Bloet II and Isabe de
Beaumont, the widow of Gilbert fitz Gilbert de Clare, if so I would
greatly appreciate your posting it. Thank you
Cheers,
Karen