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wonklefish
Oct 24, 2011, 9:10:47 AM10/24/11
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http://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/medieval/4932/Descendants-of-King-John-s-alleged-illegitimate-daughter-Isabel
The above link states that:
"MARGARET DEVIOCK, daughter and heiress, evidently born before 1380.
She married before 1400 (as his 1st wife) JOHN STAPLETON (or
STEPULTON), Esq., of Stapleton, Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire,
etc., Knight of the Shire for Shropshire, 1421, 2nd son of John
Stapleton, of Stapleton and Oaks (in Pontesbury), Shropshire, by
Katherine, 2nd daughter and co-heiress of Edward Burnell, of Langley,
Shropshire. They had one son, Leonard, Esq., and two daughters,
Margaret and Elizabeth. He married (2nd) MARGERY _____. They had three
daughters, Joyce (wife of Thomas Horde), Joan (wife of Thomas Walwyn),
and [Mary?] (wife of Walter Acton)."
Walter Acton, of Longnor, Shropshire, cannot have married a daughter
of John Stapleton and his second wife Margery. Walter was succeeded at
Longnor by his son William. William was succeeded by Thomas, who,
according to his IPM, was born in 1415. If Walter's grandson was born
in 1415 it is impossible that his wife could have been a daughter of
this John Stapleton. I think Walter must have married a daughter of
the John Stapleton who married Katherine Burnell. This John was
Sheriff of Shropshire in 1383 and 1391 and was father of the John in
the above quote.
The above link states that:
"MARGARET DEVIOCK, daughter and heiress, evidently born before 1380.
She married before 1400 (as his 1st wife) JOHN STAPLETON (or
STEPULTON), Esq., of Stapleton, Shropshire, Dormington, Herefordshire,
etc., Knight of the Shire for Shropshire, 1421, 2nd son of John
Stapleton, of Stapleton and Oaks (in Pontesbury), Shropshire, by
Katherine, 2nd daughter and co-heiress of Edward Burnell, of Langley,
Shropshire. They had one son, Leonard, Esq., and two daughters,
Margaret and Elizabeth. He married (2nd) MARGERY _____. They had three
daughters, Joyce (wife of Thomas Horde), Joan (wife of Thomas Walwyn),
and [Mary?] (wife of Walter Acton)."
Walter Acton, of Longnor, Shropshire, cannot have married a daughter
of John Stapleton and his second wife Margery. Walter was succeeded at
Longnor by his son William. William was succeeded by Thomas, who,
according to his IPM, was born in 1415. If Walter's grandson was born
in 1415 it is impossible that his wife could have been a daughter of
this John Stapleton. I think Walter must have married a daughter of
the John Stapleton who married Katherine Burnell. This John was
Sheriff of Shropshire in 1383 and 1391 and was father of the John in
the above quote.
William Acton
Oct 24, 2011, 10:09:48 AM10/24/11
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John Stapleton's HoP biography at:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/stapleton-john-ii#footnote4_5y9njb5
Disagrees with the link:
http://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/medieval/4932/Descendants-of-King-John-s-alleged-illegitimate-daughter-Isabel
The second link states that Leonard Stapleton was of age in 1421, whereas John Stapleton's HoP biography states that he married his first wife (Isabel, daughter of Elizabeth Elmham) in 1408/9. Isabel isn't mentioned at all in the second link. Can anyone shed light on this confusion? Who is Leonard Stapleton's mother?
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http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/stapleton-john-ii#footnote4_5y9njb5
Disagrees with the link:
http://www.historykb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/medieval/4932/Descendants-of-King-John-s-alleged-illegitimate-daughter-Isabel
The second link states that Leonard Stapleton was of age in 1421, whereas John Stapleton's HoP biography states that he married his first wife (Isabel, daughter of Elizabeth Elmham) in 1408/9. Isabel isn't mentioned at all in the second link. Can anyone shed light on this confusion? Who is Leonard Stapleton's mother?
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Douglas Richardson
Oct 24, 2011, 12:49:03 PM10/24/11
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William ~
Leonard Stapleton's mother was definitely Margaret Deviock (1st wife
of John Stapleton, Esq.) as indicated by the following source:
Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries 16 (1920): 281–285 (Furneaux
pedigree dated 1421: “Et predicta Margareta [de Beaupre] prima filia
predictorum Johannis et Isabelle marritata fuit Johanni Devyok et
habuerunt exitum Margaretam [Devyok] que fuit marritata Johanni
Stepulton et habuerunt exitum Leonardum Stepulton.”).
Leonard Stapleton was a legatee in the 1413 will of his step-
grandfather, Leonard Hakluyt, Knt. He was also a legatee in the 1414
will of his grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt (nee Longland).
My research indicates that John Stapleton, Esq., (living 1446) had two
wives, Margaret Deviock and Margery _____. He had issue by both
marriages.
Margaret Deviock was the daughter and heiress of John Deviock and his
wife, Margaret, daughter and co-heiress of John de Longland, Esq,
For further particulars, see my book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd
edition, 2011, which is available at www.amazon.com.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Leonard Stapleton's mother was definitely Margaret Deviock (1st wife
of John Stapleton, Esq.) as indicated by the following source:
Somerset & Dorset Notes & Queries 16 (1920): 281–285 (Furneaux
pedigree dated 1421: “Et predicta Margareta [de Beaupre] prima filia
predictorum Johannis et Isabelle marritata fuit Johanni Devyok et
habuerunt exitum Margaretam [Devyok] que fuit marritata Johanni
Stepulton et habuerunt exitum Leonardum Stepulton.”).
Leonard Stapleton was a legatee in the 1413 will of his step-
grandfather, Leonard Hakluyt, Knt. He was also a legatee in the 1414
will of his grandmother, Margaret Hakluyt (nee Longland).
My research indicates that John Stapleton, Esq., (living 1446) had two
wives, Margaret Deviock and Margery _____. He had issue by both
marriages.
Margaret Deviock was the daughter and heiress of John Deviock and his
wife, Margaret, daughter and co-heiress of John de Longland, Esq,
For further particulars, see my book, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd
edition, 2011, which is available at www.amazon.com.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Wjhonson
Oct 24, 2011, 1:03:01 PM10/24/11
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I would also be very interested to know where this IPM of John Stapleton can be found which states his age or whatever it was. I can't find that any other source seems to know about it, except perhaps HOP, with other sources merely stating things like "he was living at such a such a time when he blah blah blah".
We would want to examine what properties were in play to ensure that this is exactly this same person and not merely someone else with the same name.
William Acton
Oct 21, 2012, 5:41:51 PM10/21/12
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The Visitation
of Shropshire (1623) is probably wrong about Walter Acton's marriage to a
Stapleton. I have never found any contemporary reference to either Walter or
his supposed wife, and I believe the connection was based on a misunderstanding
of the way in which Thomas Acton of Longnor (1415-1480) came to be a coheir of
John Stapleton (d. bef 1450). Thomas Acton’s first wife was in fact Mary
Stapleton (not Horde), the youngest of the five daughters of John Stapleton:
Transactions of
the Shropshire (1914), p. 221
“De Banco,
Easter, 10 Edw. 4., No. 343.
SALOP. John Leghton, Richard Bondes & Joan his wife, Robert Cresset &
Christine his wife,– Robert Mountfort & Thomas Acton were summoned at the
suit of Thomas Horde & Joyce his wife in a plea that they should permit a
partition to be made of the manors of Stepulton, Armegrove & Folhampton
which formerly belonged to John Stepulton, Armiger, the father of the said
Joyce, and of whom she was one of the heirs, between the said Joyce & the
Said John Leghton son & heir of Elizabeth, daughter and the second of the
heirs of the said John Stepulton and the said Richard & Joan the daughter
and the third heir of the said John Stepulton & Robert Cresset and
Christine the daughter of Margaret, the daughter and the fourth heir of the
said John Stepulton, and the said Robert Mountfort in right of Mary late his
wife and another of the heirs of the said Margaret, & Thomas Acton in right
of Mary late his wife, the daughter and fifth heir of the said John Stepulton.”
Transactions of
Shropshire (1927), p. 24, tells us that:
“from a deed of
Rev. Joseph Corbett, quoted in Mr. Blakeway’s History of Shrewsbury Liberties,
it would appear that Thomas Acton’s first wife was named Mary… The deed in question
was a marriage settlement dated in 1449, whereby Longnor and Betton Strange
Vills which had been granted by this member [Thomas Acton] to Thomas Horde and
Thomas Rugge were by them settled on Thomas Acton and Mary in fee tail. It
would appear that the eldest son who was born in 1453 (he was 27 in February
1480) was the issue of this marriage”
I am unclear as
to whether Thomas Acton had issue by Mary Stapleton. Eyton states that when
Thomas Acton presented John Mason to the chapel at Stapleton in 1455, he did so
as a “Tenant by custom of England,” which I presume means that he did so in
right of his deceased wife. Yet Thomas’ elder son (another Thomas), who was
born in 1453 as he was 27 at the time of his father’s IPM, presented Richard
Webbe to the same chapel in 1495 (see Antiquities
of Shropshire, VOL 6, p.
118, by RW Eyton).
of Shropshire (1623) is probably wrong about Walter Acton's marriage to a
Stapleton. I have never found any contemporary reference to either Walter or
his supposed wife, and I believe the connection was based on a misunderstanding
of the way in which Thomas Acton of Longnor (1415-1480) came to be a coheir of
John Stapleton (d. bef 1450). Thomas Acton’s first wife was in fact Mary
Stapleton (not Horde), the youngest of the five daughters of John Stapleton:
Transactions of
the Shropshire (1914), p. 221
“De Banco,
Easter, 10 Edw. 4., No. 343.
SALOP. John Leghton, Richard Bondes & Joan his wife, Robert Cresset &
Christine his wife,– Robert Mountfort & Thomas Acton were summoned at the
suit of Thomas Horde & Joyce his wife in a plea that they should permit a
partition to be made of the manors of Stepulton, Armegrove & Folhampton
which formerly belonged to John Stepulton, Armiger, the father of the said
Joyce, and of whom she was one of the heirs, between the said Joyce & the
Said John Leghton son & heir of Elizabeth, daughter and the second of the
heirs of the said John Stepulton and the said Richard & Joan the daughter
and the third heir of the said John Stepulton & Robert Cresset and
Christine the daughter of Margaret, the daughter and the fourth heir of the
said John Stepulton, and the said Robert Mountfort in right of Mary late his
wife and another of the heirs of the said Margaret, & Thomas Acton in right
of Mary late his wife, the daughter and fifth heir of the said John Stepulton.”
Transactions of
Shropshire (1927), p. 24, tells us that:
“from a deed of
Rev. Joseph Corbett, quoted in Mr. Blakeway’s History of Shrewsbury Liberties,
it would appear that Thomas Acton’s first wife was named Mary… The deed in question
was a marriage settlement dated in 1449, whereby Longnor and Betton Strange
Vills which had been granted by this member [Thomas Acton] to Thomas Horde and
Thomas Rugge were by them settled on Thomas Acton and Mary in fee tail. It
would appear that the eldest son who was born in 1453 (he was 27 in February
1480) was the issue of this marriage”
I am unclear as
to whether Thomas Acton had issue by Mary Stapleton. Eyton states that when
Thomas Acton presented John Mason to the chapel at Stapleton in 1455, he did so
as a “Tenant by custom of England,” which I presume means that he did so in
right of his deceased wife. Yet Thomas’ elder son (another Thomas), who was
born in 1453 as he was 27 at the time of his father’s IPM, presented Richard
Webbe to the same chapel in 1495 (see Antiquities
of Shropshire, VOL 6, p.
118, by RW Eyton).
The second wife
of Thomas Acton (1415-1480) was Joan Downton, daughter and coheir of Thomas
Downton and she is known to have been the widow of William Wood, of Clapham.
Can anyone tell
me when William Wood of Clapham died? This would help to establish whether or not his
widow could have been the mother of Thomas Acton’s two sons.
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