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sangreel
Mar 28, 2012, 1:30:17 PM3/28/12
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Dear List:
I have been spending a great amount of time researching the family line of Gov. Theophilus Eaton. I have NOT had much luck in my search, but I ran across this
"story" and wanted to know if any other researcher has any further insight into the Eaton line past the Rev. Richard Eaton, father of Gov. Theophilus Eaton and
Samuel Eaton?
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Memorials of Stand Chapel
By Robert Travers Herford
Page 20
Chap, III.—The Ministers.
I.—Robert Eaton, M.A., 1693—1701.
The family of Eaton is represented in many parts of the country, and is especially numerous in Cheshire. Most, if not all, of the Cheshire branches are derived from the Eatons of The Pole, near Great Budworth.
A curious story is told of the antecedents of the family, to the effect that their name was originally Pole (or De la Pole) that they were relatives of Cardinal Pole, that on the attainder of the Pole family in 1537 one member of it, by name Richard, who had lived in Devonshire at a place called Eaton, removed to Cheshire to escape the notice of the government, that he built the house near Great Budworth, part of which is still standing, and reversing the names called himself Eaton, and his house The Pole.*
Richard Eaton, as he called himself after his settlement in Cheshire, had two sons, George and Robert. George who was a friend and correspondent of John Bradford the Martyr, inherited the Pole estate, and became the ancestor of the Eatons of New England,— Nathaniel, who was first master of New Cambridge; Samuel, (born 1597, died 1665), who returned to this country and was the Independent minister at Dukinfield; and Theophilus, who was governor of New Haven. These three were brothers. Robert Eaton, the younger son of Richard aforesaid, lived at Sandiway near Sevenoaks, Cheshire. He had a son Robert, (born 1577, died 1621) who was for 36 years chaplain to the Earls of Derby. His son again was Richard, who was vicar of Audlem from 1641 onwards, and his son again was the Robert Eaton with whom we are at present concerned. Robert was born in 163o, and was educated at Cambridge, where he studied for seven years. He took his degree of M.A., however, as of All Souls College,* Oxford, in 1653. Like many of his family he was intended for the church, and his first living was somewhere in Essex. Here he stayed till 1659, when he was appointed to the vicarage of Walton-on-the-Hill, a parish which included what was then the fishing village of Liverpool. The circumstances of this appointment were somewhat peculiar. In 1659 took place the unsuccessful rising of the Royalists of Cheshire and the neighbouring counties under leadership of Sir George Booth, of Dunham, a movement in which many Puritan clergy and laymen were involved. Amongst them was Henry Finch, vicar of Walton. On the failure of the enterprise, the Parliament naturally sought to lay hands on those who had taken part in it. Finch was compelled to leave his living, and his goods were seized by the Parliamentary sequestrators. By a friendly arrangement, Robert Eaton who was also a Royalist, was put in to hold the vacant living. But in the following year another change took place, owing to the restoration of the monarchy; for one result of that event was to replace in their former benefices all clergymen who, for whatever reason, had been deprived by authority of Parliament since the establishment of the Commonwealth. Consequently Finch returned to Walton, and Robert Eaton had to go elsewhere. He was presented to the perpetual curacy of Daresbury near Warrington, probably through the good offices of Sir George Booth. Here he stayed till 1662, when he took his place among the Two Thousand who went out on St. Bartholomew's Day. When this happened, he was already married, and had two children of whom one was six and the other five years old. Sir George Booth, now become Lord Delamere, befriended him once more, by appointing him to be his family chaplain at Dunham Park. How long he held this office, I do not know; but he was certainly there from 1664 till 1667. Henry Newcome in his autobiography, under date May 14th 1667, says "went to Dunham with Mr. Finch to see Mr. Eaton Mr. Eaton lived three years at Dunham and his children at Warrington."*
[* I am indebted for the above story, as well as for much help in ascertaining Robert Eaton's connection with the family, to the kindness of its present representative, Gerald Eaton, Esq., of the Pole.]
http://books.google.com/books?id=HAwaR9vcMFUC&dq=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&f=false
I have a copy of the Will of Richard Eaton and he was a property owner in Great Budworth.
Any help or insights would be great, and I promise NOT to get my pants in a bunch should another researcher be able to correct my research. I will be posting more sources as time permits.
[I descend from Mary Eaton da. of Theophilus Eaton and his first wife, Grace Hiller by Marys marriage to Valentine Hill, down to Sarah Hill da. of Nathaniel Hill and Sarah Nutter, this Sarah who married Daniel Warner, my 6th Great Grand father in a direct line.]
Regards,
Michael Warner
I have been spending a great amount of time researching the family line of Gov. Theophilus Eaton. I have NOT had much luck in my search, but I ran across this
"story" and wanted to know if any other researcher has any further insight into the Eaton line past the Rev. Richard Eaton, father of Gov. Theophilus Eaton and
Samuel Eaton?
***
Memorials of Stand Chapel
By Robert Travers Herford
Page 20
Chap, III.—The Ministers.
I.—Robert Eaton, M.A., 1693—1701.
The family of Eaton is represented in many parts of the country, and is especially numerous in Cheshire. Most, if not all, of the Cheshire branches are derived from the Eatons of The Pole, near Great Budworth.
A curious story is told of the antecedents of the family, to the effect that their name was originally Pole (or De la Pole) that they were relatives of Cardinal Pole, that on the attainder of the Pole family in 1537 one member of it, by name Richard, who had lived in Devonshire at a place called Eaton, removed to Cheshire to escape the notice of the government, that he built the house near Great Budworth, part of which is still standing, and reversing the names called himself Eaton, and his house The Pole.*
Richard Eaton, as he called himself after his settlement in Cheshire, had two sons, George and Robert. George who was a friend and correspondent of John Bradford the Martyr, inherited the Pole estate, and became the ancestor of the Eatons of New England,— Nathaniel, who was first master of New Cambridge; Samuel, (born 1597, died 1665), who returned to this country and was the Independent minister at Dukinfield; and Theophilus, who was governor of New Haven. These three were brothers. Robert Eaton, the younger son of Richard aforesaid, lived at Sandiway near Sevenoaks, Cheshire. He had a son Robert, (born 1577, died 1621) who was for 36 years chaplain to the Earls of Derby. His son again was Richard, who was vicar of Audlem from 1641 onwards, and his son again was the Robert Eaton with whom we are at present concerned. Robert was born in 163o, and was educated at Cambridge, where he studied for seven years. He took his degree of M.A., however, as of All Souls College,* Oxford, in 1653. Like many of his family he was intended for the church, and his first living was somewhere in Essex. Here he stayed till 1659, when he was appointed to the vicarage of Walton-on-the-Hill, a parish which included what was then the fishing village of Liverpool. The circumstances of this appointment were somewhat peculiar. In 1659 took place the unsuccessful rising of the Royalists of Cheshire and the neighbouring counties under leadership of Sir George Booth, of Dunham, a movement in which many Puritan clergy and laymen were involved. Amongst them was Henry Finch, vicar of Walton. On the failure of the enterprise, the Parliament naturally sought to lay hands on those who had taken part in it. Finch was compelled to leave his living, and his goods were seized by the Parliamentary sequestrators. By a friendly arrangement, Robert Eaton who was also a Royalist, was put in to hold the vacant living. But in the following year another change took place, owing to the restoration of the monarchy; for one result of that event was to replace in their former benefices all clergymen who, for whatever reason, had been deprived by authority of Parliament since the establishment of the Commonwealth. Consequently Finch returned to Walton, and Robert Eaton had to go elsewhere. He was presented to the perpetual curacy of Daresbury near Warrington, probably through the good offices of Sir George Booth. Here he stayed till 1662, when he took his place among the Two Thousand who went out on St. Bartholomew's Day. When this happened, he was already married, and had two children of whom one was six and the other five years old. Sir George Booth, now become Lord Delamere, befriended him once more, by appointing him to be his family chaplain at Dunham Park. How long he held this office, I do not know; but he was certainly there from 1664 till 1667. Henry Newcome in his autobiography, under date May 14th 1667, says "went to Dunham with Mr. Finch to see Mr. Eaton Mr. Eaton lived three years at Dunham and his children at Warrington."*
[* I am indebted for the above story, as well as for much help in ascertaining Robert Eaton's connection with the family, to the kindness of its present representative, Gerald Eaton, Esq., of the Pole.]
http://books.google.com/books?id=HAwaR9vcMFUC&dq=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&pg=PA20#v=onepage&q=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&f=false
I have a copy of the Will of Richard Eaton and he was a property owner in Great Budworth.
Any help or insights would be great, and I promise NOT to get my pants in a bunch should another researcher be able to correct my research. I will be posting more sources as time permits.
[I descend from Mary Eaton da. of Theophilus Eaton and his first wife, Grace Hiller by Marys marriage to Valentine Hill, down to Sarah Hill da. of Nathaniel Hill and Sarah Nutter, this Sarah who married Daniel Warner, my 6th Great Grand father in a direct line.]
Regards,
Michael Warner
sangreel
Mar 28, 2012, 1:55:59 PM3/28/12
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I have only been able to find one Richard Pole that may fit this "story".
The visitations of the county of Devon: Comprising the herald's visitations ...
By College of Arms (Great Britain)
Page 602
http://books.google.com/books?id=GmqlIibS95IC&dq=devon%20%22richard%20pole%22&pg=PA602#v=onepage&q=devon%20%22richard%20pole%22&f=false
"Richard Pulle,1 son, "Pater de radu's Pulle, de Cestrie" = son of Thomas Pull de Pole and Elizabeth da. of Will Stanleigh de Houghton."
Now my Latin is not so good, no matter how many books I read on the subject, but if a person who has more learning on Latin could translate this notation I would be in their debt.
MDW
sangreel
Apr 5, 2012, 5:03:58 AM4/5/12
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
County families of Lancashire and Cheshire
By James Croston
Page 232
"Sir. Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the Gov. of Newhaven.....etc"
http://books.google.com/books?id=C9UKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA232#v=onepage&q=eaton&f=false
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The will of Theophilus Eaton, Esq. 12 Aug. 1656, proved May 31, 1685, The inventory included a estate in Great Budsworth.
Source: Dictionary of National Biography, Vol. XVI: " Will of 'the Honorable late Governor of this Colony,' made Aug 12, 1656. Bequeaths to wife Ann property in England, 'being in ye parish of Great Budworth in ye county of Chester,' one-third of estate in New England, and 'in token of my love fifty pounds more.'
The sum of L100, received of Mr. John Evans of London through Mr. Nathaniel Riley, to be used for the good of New Haven, has already been delivered to Mr. Davenport.
Bequeaths to Mr. Hobson in London, to niece Mary Low, daughter of his sister Hannah, to son-in-law Thos. Yale, to son-in-law Edward Hopkins, to son-in-law Valentine Hill, "late of Boston, since living in Piscataway,"
L200 as portion of his children, and to John Davenport. Remainder of estate divided among children Theophilus, Mary and Hannah. Wife Ann and Edward Hopkins are made executors. Proved May 30 1658. Inventory taken by Matthew Guilbert, John Wakeman, and Richard Miles, L1515: 12: 06."
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The Will of Rev. Richard Eaton
APPENDIX.
Will of Rev. Richard Eaton.* "In the name of God Amen.
The eleaventh of July 1616 and in the yeares of the raigne of Or Lord James by the grace of God Kinge of England Scotland ffraunce and Ireland Defendor of the faith &c. that is to say of England ffraunce and Ireland the ffourteenth and of Scotland the nyne and ffortieth, I Richard Eaton Clarke beinge weake in body and yett in perfect mynde and memorie all prayse be given to God therefore calinge to mynde the certaintie of Death and the uncertaintie of tyme and place when and where it shall please God to visite me and myndinge to sett in order and to dispose of such worldly goods as it hath pleased God to blesse me withalle Doe make and declare this my last Will and Testament in manner and forme followinge, ffirst and principally I comend my soule to Allmightie God my Creator and to Jesus Christ his deare sonne my Saviour and Redeemer by whose most pretious Death and passion I hope assuredly to be saved and to have full and free remyssion of all my synnes, And my body I committ to the earth to be buried in such place convenient as my Executor hereafter named shall thinke good, and that done I will that such Debts as I owe to any person or persons shall bee truly payed with as convenient speede as maye bee after my Decease.
Item whereas I have two .houses commonly called and knqwne by the names of Pow house and the Poos house situate in. Over Whettly in the County of Chester as alsoe a peeee of lande which I lately bought of John Eaton of Sandynay My will and mynde is that my lovinge wife Elizabeth Eaton shall quietly and peaceably have hold and enjoy the same duringe her naturall life togeather with all such landes rents and revenues as are thereto belonginge. or any wise appertaininge. Item whereas I have certajne other lande and Tenementes now in the oocupacion of Thomas Whittly as allsoe Brother-tons howse in Over Wheatly my Will and mynde is that my Executor hereafter named shall doe his best endevour to make sale of the aforesaid lande and Tenementes to the best advantage, And I doe freely give unto my Children hereafter named as Childrens partes and portions due from me unto them all such somme and sommes of money as those aforesaid landes and Tenementes beinge soulde shall amounte unto to witte unto Elizabeth, Hanah, John, Samuell, Thomas, ffrancis, Nathaniell, and Jonathan to be equally devided amongest them,
Item I give and bequeath unto my lovinge sonne Theophilus Eaton whome I doe make the full and sole Executor of this my last Will and Testament as his Childes parte and portion those two afore named howses called by the name of Pow howse and the Poos howse with the landes and promts thereto belonginge, onely reservinge the rents and commodities of the same unto my deare and lovinge wife duringe her life in manner and forme as is before expressed
* Weldon 8. Copied by Miss Kate Joyce, June, 1900.
Item I give and bequeath unto him after his mothers Decease, that parcell of lande which I bought of John Eaton of Sandy way with all other landes and tenements whatsoever that are myne either by fee simple or lease which have not in this present Testament beene mentioned. The residue of all my goodes Chattells Cattell money plate and all manner of moveables beinge first at the discretion of my Executor equally and justly valued my funerall charges allsoe beinge discharged I doe thus ordaine and appointe to be disposed of,
ffirst I give and bequeath unto my lovinge wife one thirde part thereof, Item I give and bequeath the two remayninge thirdes unto my afore named Children to witt Elizabeth, Hanah, John, Samuel]. Thomas, ffrancis, Nathaniell and Jonathan to be equally devided amongest them. Item my will and mynde is that my sonne Theophilus shall pay unto my three Daughters (in consideration of the lande tli ill. I have given Mm) videl' Elizabeth, Hanah, and ffrancis at their severall marriages, such a somme or sommes of money as may make up those portions which I have allready bequeathed them the just somme of one hundred poundes a peece of currant English money, Item if my sonne Theophilua shall with the consent of my lovinge Wife covenant to pay unto my afore named Children when they of age* such portions as my said Wife and sonne shall in their Discretions thincke convenient and can agree upon, that then my expresse will and minde is, and I doe by these presents give and bequeath unto my said sonne Theophilus all those landes and Tenementes in the occupaoion of Thomas Whittly & Brotherton (which were above appointed to be sold) to be disposed of to his owne use and behoofe as he himselfe shall thincke fittinge which my said sonne I doe as before make and ordaine full and sole executor of this my last \Vill and Testament not doubting but he will see the same in all thinges dulie performed according to the truste I have and doe repose in him.
And I doe hereby revoke all former Willes Legaceys and Devises by me heretofore made And I will that this shall stand fore my last Will and none other or otherwise. In witnesse whereof to this my present Testament and last Will conteyning one sheete of paper and somewhat more I the said Richard Eaton have set to my hand and seale. Geouen the daye aud yere first above written.
Richard Eaton.
Sealed and published By the saied Richard Eaton as his last will and testament in the presence of us this twelveth of Julye one thousand six hundred and sixteene.
Mathewe Hilles
Joseph Denman
Thomas ffeatherstone
Probatum fuit testamentum supra scriptum apud London, &c., &c., &c.
14 January 1616-7.
Juramento Theophili Eaton. * Sic.
http://books.google.com/books?id=fYwNAQAAIAAJ&dq=eaton%20%22joseph%20denman%22&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q=eaton%20%22joseph%20denman%22&f=false
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Notes and queries, Volume 90
By William White
Page 424
Governor Eaton's grandfather was the Rev. Richard Eaton, Vicar of Great Budworth, Cheshire, and was buried there Jan. 7, 1600. His father was the Rev. Richard Eaton, B.A., Lincoln College, Oxford, 1585; B.D. 1589; perhaps curate at Stony Stratford, Oxfordshire, about 1591; vicar of Trinity Church, Coventry, Warwickshire, 1590 to 1604; vicar of Great Budworth, Cheshire, Aug. 3, 1604; Prebendary of Lincoln Cathedral, 1607; and died about July, 1616. His children were Governor Theophilus (the eldest), Rebecca, Elizabeth, Ann or Hannah (probably wife of Rev. Francis Higginson, of Salem, Mass.), John (B.A., Magdalen College, Cambridge, 1(521, minister of the Church of England, came to New Haven, returned to England, and served the ministry at Bukinfield, Cheshire, until ejected for Nonconformity, dying at Denton, in Lancashire, 1664-5), Thomas, Jonathan, Francis, and Nathaniel, whose rather unsavoury record as the first head of Harvard College is a matter of history.
Mr. James Croston, in his ' County Families of Lancashire and Cheshire' (London, 1887), commenting on some proceedings had concerning the orthodoxy of Sir Peter Warburton, uses this language:
"Sir Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the renowned governor of New Haven, being examined, February, 1569-70, deposed," &c.;
and in this connexion he refers to Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.R.S., as having unearthed these old depositions, &c. The title "Sir" would, I suppose, indicate that Governor Eaton's father was a baron or knight. Is there anything unusual in a baron being also the vicar of a parish? The title above given to the father of Governor Theophilus would certainly appear to be in keeping with the helmet and ducal coronet which appears on the New Haven portrait.
http://books.google.com/books?id=31wEAAAAYAAJ&dq=Budworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&pg=PA424#v=onepage&q=Budworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&f=false
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Also I found this:
The Ancestor: a quarterly review of county and family history, heraldry and ...
Page 43
cxc1v. [1617]
John Eaton gendeman. Inquisition post mortem taken at Middlewich 3 Oct. [15 and] 51 James before Hugh Maynwaring esq. deputy escheator, by virtue of a writ of mandamus, finding that said John was seised of . . . lands in Great Budworth co. Chester, 7 messuages, one cottage and lands in Comberbach, and a messuage and land in Over Walton, and reciting an indenture dated I Sept. 3 James I. between said John and George Rutter of Kingesley gendeman, whereby in consideration of a marriage to be had between Richard, his son and heir apparent, and Elizabeth Rutter, one ot the daughters of said George, and of 140/. (which marriage was solemnized), said John covenanted to enfeoff Thomas Rutter of Clotton and John Nuttall of Cattenhall gendemen, to uses, which he afterwards did: that the lands in Budworth and Comberbach are held in chief by the service of the fortieth part of a knight's fee and a rent of Js. 1 1d., value . 3/. I is. lod., those in Over Walton of John Danyell, service unknown, value 8s. id.; and that Richard Percyvall has taken the profits until now; that said John died 4 July . . James I., and John son of said Richard Eaton is his grandson and heir, and
aged 4 years and 27 days ; and that Jane wife of said John is yet living. (Defective.) See Cheshire Inq. 15 James I. No. 4.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8jwj6r_YCusC&dq=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=budsworth%20%22richard%20eaton%22&f=false
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Richard and his son Gov. T Eaton both held lands in Great Budworth.
Is there a relation?
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Papers of the New Haven Colony Historical Society, Volume 7
By New Haven Colony Historical Society
Page 32
The Will of Richard Eaton.
http://books.google.com/books?id=fYwNAQAAIAAJ&dq=eaton%20%22joseph%20denman%22&pg=PA32#v=onepage&q=eaton%20%22joseph%20denman%22&f=false
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A note from a fellow researcher:
Cheshire Connections
During research into the background of the Irish Eatons, I came across several references to Theophilus Eaton, Jr. of Dublin, Ireland with regard to the marriage of his daughter, Anne, to Col Thomas Maunsell.
The specific reference to Theo, Jr. which struck a particular interest was that of Theo as of "Pole" or from "Pole."
I knew I had seen that reference before, and so I began looking through my sundry research.
During this review, I took note of several points:
The Pole was the name of a residence located in Northwich Hundred, i.e., Antrobus, 5 miles north of Northwich, in the Lordship of Whitley, which is in part comprised of the Townships of Over Whitley and Seven Oaks in Cheshire.
Antrobus and the parish of Seven Oaks were originally formed from the civil parish of Great Budworth.
Great Budworth was the home of Rev. Richard Eaton and his family, amongst whom was Theo, Sr. Property mentioned in Rev. Richard's Will was in the township of Over Whitely.
Seven Oaks was also said to be the place where Mrs. Theo, Sr., Ann Lloyd Eaton, retired after returning to England, and perhaps where she died.
Goostrey was also part of Northwich Hundred from which Eaton ancestors can be found.
Although nothing can be concluded from simple inference, is it possible that these Eaton families living in such close proximity and continuity for generations could be of or part of the same family?
I decided to once again look at some general evidence which might show a pattern or at least spark an interest in further research. If anyone has additional information or would like to pursue researching connections, please let me know.
Barbara
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How I ask my self, does this apply to mt first post where it was stated:
"A curious story is told of the antecedents of the family, to the effect that their name was originally Pole (or De la Pole) that they were relatives of Cardinal Pole, that on the attainder of the Pole family in 1537 one member of it, by name Richard, who had lived in Devonshire at a place called Eaton, removed to Cheshire to escape the notice of the government, that he built the house near Great Budworth, part of which is still standing, and reversing the names called himself Eaton, and his house The Pole.*"
Michael Warner
sangreel
Apr 5, 2012, 5:07:49 AM4/5/12
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
I have looked without success for the following "New Haven Portrait". Does anyone on this list know where I might find a copy of said portrait?
"Sir" would, I suppose, indicate that Governor Eaton's father was a baron or knight. Is there anything unusual in a baron being also the vicar of a parish? The title above given to the father of Governor Theophilus would certainly appear to be in keeping with the helmet and ducal coronet which appears on the New Haven portrait."
sangreel
Apr 5, 2012, 5:10:57 AM4/5/12
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
More on the Eaton family.
MW
sangreel
Apr 5, 2012, 5:16:10 AM4/5/12
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
then thirty-one years of age, and had been married several years,
his wife being Mary, daughter of Sir John Holcroft, of Holcroft, in
Lancashire, and a niece of the Sir Thomas Holcroft, of Vale Royal,
who, l>y favour of Henry VIII., succeeded in obtaining so large a
slirc of the lands of the suppressed monasteries. There appears to
have been a doubt as to Peter's orthodoxy, if we may judge from
the replies to some ecclesiastical inquiries concerning Great Bud-
worth, made a few years before Sir John's death, and which have
been unearthed by Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.S.A. Sir Richard Eaton,
the vicar of Budworth (the father of the " renowned governor of
Newhaven," in New England), being examined (February, 1569-70)
deposed "that Thomas Starke, csquier, hath not rec' at his hands,
but he thinks he is not obstinate . . . and yet he is a favourer
of the Romish religion. The Roade (Rood) loft yet standeth. He
saieth that one John Warburton (probably John of Winnington, the
youngest brother of Peter) useth to praie upon a Latin primer, and
this depont. hath undertaken to bringe in the same, &c. Peter
Warburton thilder and his wief are as under. They had no sermon
sithcnce the visitac'on. Sr Ran' Antrobus an old papist priest and
doth not mynister. Homfrey Hall, Wm. foxley, and Pier Ricson
gard' sworne and exa'i'ed saie and the said foxley saieth that he
hath div'se old Latin bokes remayninge in his hands wch he is
enjoyned to bringe in to the Sinode at Warington the Towesdaie
after lowe Sondaie next. Brought in. The Rode lofte standeth.''
Page 232 of http://archive.org/details/countyfamiliesof00crosuoft
County families of Lancashire and Cheshire (1887)
Author: Croston, James, 1830-1893
Subject: Lancashire (England) -- Biography; Cheshire (England) -- Biography
Is this a error in calling Rev. Richard Eaton "Sir Richard Eaton"?
Douglas Richardson
Apr 6, 2012, 11:51:27 AM4/6/12
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On Apr 5, 3:03 am, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
< Mr. James Croston, in his ' County Families of Lancashire and
Cheshire' (London, 1887), commenting on some proceedings had
concerning the orthodoxy of Sir Peter Warburton, uses this language:
<
< "Sir Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the
renowned governor of New Haven, being examined, February, 1569-70,
deposed," &c.;
<
< and in this connexion he refers to Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.R.S., as
having unearthed these old depositions, &c. The title "Sir" would, I
suppose, indicate that <Governor Eaton's father was a baron or knight.
Is there anything unusual in a baron being also the vicar of a parish?
The title above given to the father of <Governor Theophilus would
certainly appear to be in keeping with the helmet and ducal coronet
which appears on the New Haven <portrait.http://books.google.com/books?
id=31wEAAAAYAAJ&dq=Budworth%20%22richar...
< Mr. James Croston, in his ' County Families of Lancashire and
Cheshire' (London, 1887), commenting on some proceedings had
concerning the orthodoxy of Sir Peter Warburton, uses this language:
<
< "Sir Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the
renowned governor of New Haven, being examined, February, 1569-70,
deposed," &c.;
<
< and in this connexion he refers to Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.R.S., as
having unearthed these old depositions, &c. The title "Sir" would, I
suppose, indicate that <Governor Eaton's father was a baron or knight.
Is there anything unusual in a baron being also the vicar of a parish?
The title above given to the father of <Governor Theophilus would
certainly appear to be in keeping with the helmet and ducal coronet
which appears on the New Haven <portrait.http://books.google.com/books?
The word "Sir" was a deferential title used in the middle ages for
both priests AND knights. The Latin word for Sir is "dominus."
Richard Eaton's own will indicates that he was neither a knight or a
baron.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Wjhonson
Apr 6, 2012, 12:59:48 PM4/6/12
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I'm doubtful whether you can find a credible source to back up this claim that Sir was a deferential title for both priests and knights in the medieval period.
I have no doubt at all, that you can find a priest called "dominus", however that's a very different animal.
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From: Douglas Richardson <royala...@msn.com>
To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 9:40 am
Subject: Re: Gov. Theophilus Eaton, Research
On Apr 5, 3:03 am, sangreel <sangr...@msn.com> wrote:
< Mr. James Croston, in his ' County Families of Lancashire and
heshire' (London, 1887), commenting on some proceedings had
oncerning the orthodoxy of Sir Peter Warburton, uses this language:
"Sir Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the
"Sir Richard Eaton, the vicar of Budworth, the father of the
enowned governor of New Haven, being examined, February, 1569-70,
eposed," &c.;
and in this connexion he refers to Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.R.S., as
and in this connexion he refers to Mr. J. E. Bailey, F.R.S., as
aving unearthed these old depositions, &c. The title "Sir" would, I
uppose, indicate that <Governor Eaton's father was a baron or knight.
s there anything unusual in a baron being also the vicar of a parish?
he title above given to the father of <Governor Theophilus would
ertainly appear to be in keeping with the helmet and ducal coronet
hich appears on the New Haven <portrait.http://books.google.com/books?
d=31wEAAAAYAAJ&dq=Budworth%20%22richar...
The word "Sir" was a deferential title used in the middle ages for
The word "Sir" was a deferential title used in the middle ages for
oth priests AND knights. The Latin word for Sir is "dominus."
Richard Eaton's own will indicates that he was neither a knight or a
Richard Eaton's own will indicates that he was neither a knight or a
aron.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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sangreel
Apr 6, 2012, 2:42:25 PM4/6/12
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Michael
Douglas Richardson
Apr 6, 2012, 2:13:12 PM4/6/12
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On Apr 6, 10:59 am, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
< I'm doubtful whether you can find a credible source to back up this
claim that Sir was a deferential title for both priests and knights in
the medieval period.
<
< I have no doubt at all, that you can find a priest called "dominus",
however that's a very different animal.
You are wrong again.... on both counts.
< I'm doubtful whether you can find a credible source to back up this
claim that Sir was a deferential title for both priests and knights in
the medieval period.
<
< I have no doubt at all, that you can find a priest called "dominus",
however that's a very different animal.
DR
Wjhonson
Apr 6, 2012, 3:25:05 PM4/6/12
to royala...@msn.com, gen-me...@rootsweb.com
I'm right on every count.
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Richardson <royala...@msn.com>
To: gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: Gov. Theophilus Eaton, Research
On Apr 6, 10:59 am, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
I'm doubtful whether you can find a credible source to back up this
I'm doubtful whether you can find a credible source to back up this
laim that Sir was a deferential title for both priests and knights in
he medieval period.
I have no doubt at all, that you can find a priest called "dominus",
I have no doubt at all, that you can find a priest called "dominus",
owever that's a very different animal.
You are wrong again.... on both counts.
DR
You are wrong again.... on both counts.
DR
sangreel
Apr 6, 2012, 3:41:19 PM4/6/12
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
and his descendents, this Samuel being the brother of Gov. Theo Eaton.
The next page 1153 has a incomplete pedigree starting as "... Eaton ministar of Stony Stratford and afterword of Coventry" showing only one child, our Gov. Theo Eaton with 2 wives:
...1 wife: 2 children
... 2 wife, dau of... Bishop of Chester;2 sons 3 dau children wid of.... 3 children.
The writer makes the notation that these pedigrees are from Cotton Mather's Magnalia. "He says in one place that this Theo. was the brother to Samuel"
Gov. Eaton's sister, Elizabeth married Col. William Willoughby and upon her Will witnessed London, May 1662, made at at East Cambridge, she did attach her seal: A Chevron engrailed between three boars heads...".
I did a search in Burke' General Armory of 1884, p. 332 and the arms are listed under ETON not Eaton, but they are VERY close to the same:
"Eton. Ar. a chev. engr. betw. three boar's heads couped sa." This does give us the tintures while the seal on Elizabeths Will does not.
I have spend a good sum of time trying to locate the family of Eton that bore these arms but to no avail.
In the Cattalogue of the Knights of the Bath, made at his coronation, anno 1509
under Eaton I find: (Orig copy, photocopied) "Eyton" (parts are very heard to read)a very close representation of the Eton Boar's heads arms, with a change to the colors.
I also find in NEHGS vol. XXXVIII (1884)p. 29-31 a notation was made about Rev. Richard Eaton's father:
p. 30: "The Richard Eaton referred to was PROBABLY son of an elder Richard who was Vicar of Great Budworth, Cheshire, in the later part of the 16th century and was buried, Jan. 7, 1600. (Ormerod's Cheshire, iii. 444.)"
I am not happy with: "Probably".
If anyone can shed some light for the allegation that Rev. Richard Eaton was the son of another Richard Eaton, WITH A GOOD SOURCE or 3, that would go a long way in helping me in my search. I have another theory, but until I can prove it with true sources I shall remain mum.
Cheers,
Michael
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30:17 AM UTC-7, sangreel wrote:
sangreel
Apr 7, 2012, 7:55:43 PM4/7/12
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Dagenham: Introduction and manors', A History of the County of Essex: Volume 5 (1966), pp. 267-281 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42731&strquery="richard eton"
The manor of MARKS, (fn. 202) in Dagenham and Havering...etc:
"Marks did not remain long in the hands of Urswick's heirs. In 1488 it was sold by Thomas Fuller to William Eton (or Heton); both were mercers of London. (fn. 232) By his will, dated 1503 and proved 1506, Eton left Marks to his widow Joan for life. (fn. 233) Richard Eton was holding the manor in 1540. (fn. 234) In 1557 his daughter and heir Elizabeth, with her husband Thomas Hales, conveyed it to James Bacon and Augustine Curteis, agents for Sir Nicholas Bacon (d. 1579), Lord Keeper of the Great Seal....etc"
So I took a chance and looked up "Heton" in Burke's "The General Armory of 1842, republished in 1967 by GPC: Heton (co. Lancaster) Ar. on a bend engr. Sa. three bulls heads Cabossed of the first." With "Eton" as shown above being: "Ar. a chev. engr. betw. three boar's heads couped sa." (Same book)
Except for one being a "Bend" while the first being a "Chevron", they are very close. So, this will give me another avenue to search.
I will update as I find more. The Rev. Richard Eaton family is a Puzzle to be sure.
sangreel
Apr 7, 2012, 8:46:06 PM4/7/12
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I downloaded a copy of the Visitation of Lancashire, 1533, Chetham Society, part II from Google books, and on page 194: "Pedigree of: Richard Heyton of Heyton" (another spelling of Heton, Heaton, Eton & Heyton, I find the coat of arms CLOSELY MATCHES the one used by Elizabeth Eaton - Willoughby as affixed to her Will, ie: Ar. on a BEND, three bulls heads erased,Sa. A note is given at the end of the pedigree that in the Visitation of 1567 the Bend is "engrailed".
http://books.google.com/books?id=nwEVAAAAQAAJ&dq=%22lancashire%20visitation%22&pg=PA194#v=onepage&q=heyton&f=false
I can only surmise that the difference of the Bend v. the Chevron as used on the Will of Elizabeth Eaton - Willoughby may denote a cadet or connected line of the Heyton - Heton family.
The Will is in the Oct. 1899 Abstracts of English Wills, page 432. "Richard Eaton, 1616, notation regarding the Will of Elizabeth Eaton - Willoughby contained in the notes thereof. The arms of Gov. Francis Willoughby son of Col. William Willoughby: Or. fretty Az.
Note: Elizabeth Eaton - Willoughby was married to Col. William Willoughby
of Portsmouth, her Will was witnessed London, May 1662, recorded Boston, 2.2.1663.
Michael Warner
sangreel
Apr 8, 2012, 1:30:20 AM4/8/12
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I left out some sources, here they are:
Notes and queries
P. 267
Heraldic: Willoughby. — Elizabeth Willoughby, widow of CoL William Willoughby, Commissioner of the Navy at Portsmouth, left a will dated London, May, 1662. A seal attached to the signature bears a chevron engrailed between three boars' heads (tinctures not apparent). What family bore these arms? In her will she mentions her sisters Mrs. Jane Hammond, of Virginia, mother of Capt. Lawrence Hammond, and Anna, wife of William Griffin, of Portsmouth. From these data can her family name be ascertained ? W. D. PlNK
http://books.google.com/books?id=7svfAAAAMAAJ&dq=elizabeth%20%22william%20Willoughby%22&pg=PA268#v=onepage&q=elizabeth%20%22william%20Willoughby%22&f=false
The New England historical and genealogical register, Volume 53
By Henry Fitz-Gilbert Waters, New England Historic Genealogical Society
Page: 432
ABSTRACTS OF ENGLISH WILLS.
Communicated by Lothbop Withinoton, Esq., of London, England.
Richard Eaton, clerk / vicar of Great Polworth, Cheshire]. Will llth of July, 1616, proved 14 January, 1616-17. Pow Howse and Poo House, Overwhelly, County Chester, lately bought of John Eaton of Sandvway, to wife Elizabeth for life. Other tenements in occupation of Thomas Whittly and Brothwicks house, Overwheatley, to children, viz: Elizabeth, Hanah, John, Samuell, and Jonathan. To son Theophilus Eaton, executor, aforesaid, Pow house and Pooe house, reserving to wife during life, etc. To him also after mother's death house bought of John Eaton of Sandy way aforesaid. As to rest of goods, one third to wife and rest to children viz: Elizabeth, Hannah, John, Samuell, Thomas, Frances, Nathaniell and Jonathan. To pay to three daughters, viz. Elizabeth, Hanah and Frances at marriages their portions, etc., etc. Witnesses, Mathew Hilles, Joseph Denman, Thomas Fetherstone. 8, Weldon.
[Although Mr. Waters Informs me that he thinks this will has been printed, I can find no reference to it, and it certainly has never appeared In the Register. My attention was called to it by the Rev. William Ball Wright of York, an ardent genealogist, and I believe a descendant of the family.
I was particularly pleased to find the eldest daughter named Elizabeth and a Jonathan in the family. This confirms my impression that the mother of Governor Francis Willoughby was an Eaton. For some years after Mr. Waters had furnished Elizabeth Willoughby's seal on her will at East Cambridge to Mrs. Salisbury (a chevron between three boars' heads), I was led away on a false scent by this being the coat of Francis White, Bishop of Ely. The White theory was very plausible and took a long while to disprove. Refutation came at last, and I soon sifted out all other families with the same arms till the evident Eatons remained.—L. W.] (Lothbop Withinoton, Esq., of London, England.)
http://books.google.com/books?id=2wjybwOT4HAC&dq=eaton%20%22elizabeth%20Willoughby%22&pg=PA432#v=onepage&q=eaton%20%22elizabeth%20Willoughby%22&f=false
Notes and queries
P. 267
Heraldic: Willoughby. — Elizabeth Willoughby, widow of CoL William Willoughby, Commissioner of the Navy at Portsmouth, left a will dated London, May, 1662. A seal attached to the signature bears a chevron engrailed between three boars' heads (tinctures not apparent). What family bore these arms? In her will she mentions her sisters Mrs. Jane Hammond, of Virginia, mother of Capt. Lawrence Hammond, and Anna, wife of William Griffin, of Portsmouth. From these data can her family name be ascertained ? W. D. PlNK
http://books.google.com/books?id=7svfAAAAMAAJ&dq=elizabeth%20%22william%20Willoughby%22&pg=PA268#v=onepage&q=elizabeth%20%22william%20Willoughby%22&f=false
The New England historical and genealogical register, Volume 53
By Henry Fitz-Gilbert Waters, New England Historic Genealogical Society
Page: 432
ABSTRACTS OF ENGLISH WILLS.
Communicated by Lothbop Withinoton, Esq., of London, England.
Richard Eaton, clerk / vicar of Great Polworth, Cheshire]. Will llth of July, 1616, proved 14 January, 1616-17. Pow Howse and Poo House, Overwhelly, County Chester, lately bought of John Eaton of Sandvway, to wife Elizabeth for life. Other tenements in occupation of Thomas Whittly and Brothwicks house, Overwheatley, to children, viz: Elizabeth, Hanah, John, Samuell, and Jonathan. To son Theophilus Eaton, executor, aforesaid, Pow house and Pooe house, reserving to wife during life, etc. To him also after mother's death house bought of John Eaton of Sandy way aforesaid. As to rest of goods, one third to wife and rest to children viz: Elizabeth, Hannah, John, Samuell, Thomas, Frances, Nathaniell and Jonathan. To pay to three daughters, viz. Elizabeth, Hanah and Frances at marriages their portions, etc., etc. Witnesses, Mathew Hilles, Joseph Denman, Thomas Fetherstone. 8, Weldon.
[Although Mr. Waters Informs me that he thinks this will has been printed, I can find no reference to it, and it certainly has never appeared In the Register. My attention was called to it by the Rev. William Ball Wright of York, an ardent genealogist, and I believe a descendant of the family.
I was particularly pleased to find the eldest daughter named Elizabeth and a Jonathan in the family. This confirms my impression that the mother of Governor Francis Willoughby was an Eaton. For some years after Mr. Waters had furnished Elizabeth Willoughby's seal on her will at East Cambridge to Mrs. Salisbury (a chevron between three boars' heads), I was led away on a false scent by this being the coat of Francis White, Bishop of Ely. The White theory was very plausible and took a long while to disprove. Refutation came at last, and I soon sifted out all other families with the same arms till the evident Eatons remained.—L. W.] (Lothbop Withinoton, Esq., of London, England.)
http://books.google.com/books?id=2wjybwOT4HAC&dq=eaton%20%22elizabeth%20Willoughby%22&pg=PA432#v=onepage&q=eaton%20%22elizabeth%20Willoughby%22&f=false
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