Andronikos Doukas
Settipani
appropriate answer.
Of course, there is a relationship, albeit a distant one, between Konstantinos X
Doukas, son of Andronikos, and Konstantinos VII (but I doubt that P. Theroff or
Aurejac are aware of that) : Bardas, great-great-great-great-grandfather of
Konstantinos X Doukas was the brother of Basileios, grandfather of Konstantinos
VII.
Andronikos Doukas, emperor Konstantinos X’s father, has married the granddaughter
or the great-granddaughter of Pantherios Skleros : Psellos, VII,3,6 (II, p.140
Renaud) : ‘Konstantinos X ‘family was very illustrious from his greatgrandfathers
... such are the famous Andronikos (Doukas) and Konstantinos (Doukas) and
Pantherios, his ancestors by the men or the women’.
Pantherios Skleros had three children, Maria, wife of John Tzimiskes, Bardas and
Konstantinos. One can think that Psellos would have said that Konstantinos Doukas
was a scion of Emperor Tzimiskes or of the famous general Bardas Skleros, so he
was more probably issued of a daughter (or a granddaughter) of Konstantinos
Skleros and Sophia Phokaina, and so a sister (or a niece) of the famous empress
Theophano.
Pantherios Skléros’ wife was Gregoria, daughter of Bardas, son of Basileios, son
of Bardas, himself a brother of emperor Basileios I and so a great uncle of
Konstantinos VII : Theodore Skoutariotes, p. 158, l. 6-10 : ‘Bardas Skleros ...
had by his mother Gregoria a homonymous grandfather, son of Basileios ex rector
and magistros, brother’ son of Basileios the Macedonian’ and Georgios Monachos, p.
837 : ‘Bardas, father of Basileios the rector, and Symbatios, the brothers of
Basileios (the Macedonian)’.
Moreover, there are other links :
- Pantherios was kindred with Romanos I Lekapenos, father-in-law of Konstantinos
VII (Theoph. Cont., p. 429 : ‘Pantherios, syngenes of Emperor Romanos’).
- Sophia Phokaina, Konstantinos Skleros’wife was the daughter of Leon Phokas the
Kouropalates (Skylitzes, p. 294), and so, the granddaughter of Bardas Phokas and
of a Maleina (Vie de saint Michel Maleinos, p. 551). This one was the sister of
Michael (Manouel) Maleinos, and so the daughter of Eudokimos and Anastaso,
daughter of Adralestos and of a woman described as ‘of imperial blood ... and
kindred (syngeneia) of emperor Romanos’ (i.e. Romanos I Lekapenos, father-in-law
of Konstantinos VII) : Vie de saint Michel Maleinos, éd. L. Petit, Rev. Or.
Chret., 1902, p. 550-1.
- It is possible that Konstantinos Doukas (+ 913) was of imperial descent and
related to the Mousele family. If so, he was probably the maternal grandson of
Alexios Mousele, husband of Maria, sister of Michael III : see A. Vogt, Rev.
Hist., 1934, p. 420-1 (the criticisms of D. Polemis, ‘The Doukai’, 1968, p. 5, n.
1, are not relevant in my mind, no more that the chronology proposed by W.
Treadgold, GRBS, 1975, for the family of Michael III's sister Maria).
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One name that could be disproved is PANTHERIOS
Unless it misread but the first reader, it is not a name not even a nick
name.
It has a double meaning: Therio is the "animal" or to be more precise the
"Beast". So the word Pan-therios was probably used to describe a person
either for his animal like behavior (Bestiality), or his animal like
strength.
If he was known as "The Beast" because of his behavior, than that may
explain why old historians only mention him by his family name, they did not
think using "Pantherios" was appropriate.
The rest needs a lot of digesting.
Dr. George Tsambourakis
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Victoria 3522, Australia,
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>One name that could be disproved is PANTHERIOS.
>Unless it misread but the first reader, it is not a name not even a nick
name.
There are a lot of things wich can be disproved in byzantine history. But not the
name Pantherios. Two members of the Skleros family are so named and are attested
by very trusty sources.
For the first one :
- Two contemporaneous arab letters naming Bardas Skleros son of ‘Bntyr’.
- One sentence in the chronicle of Skylitzes naming for 944 the domestikos of
Scholai Pantherios, relative of Romanos I.
- The vita of Constantine X by Psellos, naming a Pantherios as ancestor of this
emperor.
For the second one, probably a grandson of the first one :
- A seal naming Pantherios Skleros, anthypatos, etc.
- juridical texts of the Peira naming a trial between the patrikios Pantherios and
(his cousin) Maria Skleraina.
See W. SEIBT, Die Skleroi, 1976, p. 27-8 & 85-6, to be corrected by J.-C. CHEYNET,
Notes arabo-Byzantines, 1986, p. 145-7.
For the rest, and just for the period before the 10th century, the sigillography
alone give the following individuals :
Pantherios, bishop of Arados in the 7th / 8th centuries ; Pantherios, patrikios
and strategos of Sicily in 9th century ; Pantherios, basilikos prothospatharios
and tourmarchos in 8th / 9th centuries ; Pantherios, basilikos candidatos at the
end of 9th century ; Pantherios, hyptos and protonotarios in 9th / 10th centuries
; Pantherios, patrikios and chartularios of Bestiarion at the end of the 9th
century.
Last, a Pantherios is quoted in the Vita of S. Iohannicios, c. 54.
See PmBZ, III (2000), p. 498-500, no 5687-5695.
It is difficult to be more definitively and strongly attested. One cannot disprove
a name only because its significance seems odd..
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(a good story) behind the name. Obviously it was originally
used to "address" a person that was physically and/or mentally strong.
Is there perhaps a Saint (Orthodox) called Pantherios?.
By the way,
>Bardas Skleros son of 'Bntyr'
what doe "Bntyr" mean?
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