Descents from de Clare via de Kyme of Sotby, Lincs.
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Dear Leo, Ian, et al.,
Earlier today I noted a post by Paul Reed from 1999 which provided a
'missing' link between the Kymes of Sotby, co. Lincs. and the de Clare
Earls of Hertford. This also assisted in defining the descent of the
Percys of Wharrum Percy, Yorks. from the Kyme family.
Below is a pedigree giving the descent from Rohese de Clare, wife
(2ndly) of Robert 'the sewer' to the Kymes and the Percys of Wharrum
Percy. This provides some further ancestry for Prince William and many
others via Kyme, Umfraville, de Boroughdon and Tailboys. In addition,
should someone have further details concerning Sir Walter de Heslarton
(heir of the Percys of Wharrum Percy, see below) there may be some
descents of interest there as well.
Cheers,
John *
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1 Richard de Clare
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Death: 15 Apr 1136, near Abergavenny (slain)[1]
Occ: lord of Clare and Tonbridge
Father: Gilbert de Clare (-ca1117)
Mother: Adeliza de Clermont
Lord of Clare
founder of the priory of Tonbridge
held erroneously to have been Earl of Hertford (see CP III:243,
sub _Clare_)[1]
1st husband of Adeliza of Chester
Spouse: Adeliza of Chester
Father: Ranulf III of the Bessin, Earl of Chester (-ca1129)
Mother: Lucia of Alkborough (ca1070-1141)
Children: Alice (->1147), m. William de Percy [1st wife]
Gilbert (-1152), Earl of Hertford
Roger (-1173), Earl of Hertford
Rohese (->1156)
Lucy
1.1a Rohese de Clare*
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Death: aft 1156[1]
Genealogics #I00333201[3]
she m. 1stly Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincoln;
2ndly Robert (the sewer of William de Percy)[4]
cf. EYC II:195, 433, 434-6
EYC IX:8
EYC XI:92, 101-2[5]
Spouse: Gilbert de Gant
Birth: ca 1120[1]
Death: 1156, d.s.p.m.[1]
Father: Walter de Gant (-1139)
Mother: Maud of Brittany
Children: Alice (-1185), m. Simon III de St. Liz
1.1b Rohese de Clare* (See above)
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Spouse: Robert 'the sewer' [2nd husband]
Children: Margaret, m. William de Kyme
Rohesia
1.1b.1 Rohesia 'filia Roberti'
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2nd daughter
' Rohesia, wife of Simon de Kyme, mother of Philip de Kyme.'[5]
re: her husband:
sheriff of Lincolnshire, 1194-1197
cf. Yorks. Inqs. I:85[6]
EYC II:195, 433, 434-6
EYC IX:8
EYC XI:92, 101-2[5]
Spouse: Simon de Kyme
Death: bef 11 Feb 1219[6]
Children: Philip (-<1242)
1.1b.1.1 Philip de Kyme
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Death: bef 30 May 1242[6],[7]
of Sotby, co. Lincs.
cf. Yorks. Inqs. I:85[6]
Children: Simon (-<1248)
William (-<1259)
Roese [see below, 1.1b.1.1.3]
1.1b.1.1.1 Simon de Kyme
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Death: bef 20 Oct 1248, d.s.p.[6],[7]
of Sotby, co. Lincs.
cf. Yorks. Inqs. I:85[6]
Spouse: Maud de Ferrers[8]
Death: 12 Mar 1298[8]
Father: William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby (-<1254)
Mother: Sibyl le Marshal
1.1b.1.1.2 William de Kyme
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Death: bef 10 Oct 1259[6],[7]
of Sotby, co. Lincs.
cf. Yorks. Inqs. I:85[6]
Spouse: Lucy
Death: aft 1267[6]
Children: Philip (-1323)
1.1b.1.1.2.1 Philip de Kyme
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Death: 1323[7]
of Sotby, co. Lincs.
Genealogics #I00340654[3]
a minor at his father's death (his custody and lands granted to Hugh
le Bigod, 7 Nov 1259 - Yorks. Inqs. I:85[6]]
Spouse: Joan le Bigod
Father: Hugh le Bigod (-1266), Chief Justiciar of England
Mother: Joan de Stuteville (-1276)
Children: William
Lucy [see below]
1.1b.1.1.2.1.1 William de Kyme[9]
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dispensation granted by Pope Clement V, dated Poitiers, 3 Kal.
Dec. [29 Nov.] 1307:
' To William son of Philip de Kima, and Eleanor, daughter of Margaret,
relict of Edmund de Mortuo mari, knight, widow, of the diocese of Lincoln.
Dispensation to continue in the marriage they have contracted but not
consummated, notwithstanding that they are related in the fourth degree
of kindred. ' [CPL II:33[10]]
Spouse: Eleanor de Mortimer[9]
Father: Sir Edmund de Mortimer (<1252-1304)
Mother: Margaret de Fiennes (1268-1333)
Marr: bef 29 Nov 1307[10]
1.1b.1.1.2.1.2 Lucy de Kyme
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cf. CP I:148-150[1]
Sanders, p. 73[7]
MC 108:5[8]
Spouse: Robert de Umfraville, Earl of Angus
Death: 1325[11],[7]
Father: Gilbert de Umfraville (ca1244-1307)
Mother: Elizabeth Comyn
Marr: 1303[8]
Children: Gilbert (ca1310-), Earl of Angus
Elizabeth, m. Gilbert de Boroughdon
1.1b.1.1.3 Roese de Kyme
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her maritagium included land in Thornton in Staincliff, and Ilkley:
her husband Sir Peter de Percy was a tenant of William de Kyme at his death,
10 Oct 1259:
' Peter de Percy, in frank marriage in Torneton and Ylkelay, one carucate
(twelve to the fee). ' [Yorks. Inqs. I:86[6]]
she was evidently a sister, not daughter, of William de Kyme based
upon the chronological evidence
Spouse: Sir Peter de Percy, of Wharram Percy
Death: bef 23 Mar 1266[12]
Father: Robert de Percy
Mother: Aubrey
Children: Sir Robert (1245-<1323)
1.1b.1.1.3.1 Sir Robert de Percy
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Birth: 19 May 1245[12]
Death: bef 8 Apr 1323[13]
of Wharram Percy and Sutton upon Derwent, co. Yorks.
b. 19 May 1245 (aged 21 on 19 May 1266) [IPM of his father,
Yorks. Inqs. I:104[12]]
witness to the proof of age for Adam de Everingham, 1300:
' Robert de Percy, knight, aged 50, living at Sutton on Derewent,...
Moreover, he says he is sure about the heir's age, from what his
wife told him, who was sister of the heir's father, and was present
at the heir's birth.' [Yorks. Inquisitions IV:2[12], cites Curia
Regis. No. 162, m. 8.]
'knight of the shire', co. Yorks. [YAS XCI:26-28[14]]
he m. 1stly Margery de Everingham,
2ndly Beatrice[14]
Spouse: Margery de Everingham
Father: Sir Adam de Everingham, of Laxton, Notts. (<1231-1280)
Mother: NN (-<1279)
Children: Peter (-<1315)
Agnes (1279-)
Henry
1.1b.1.1.3.1.1 Peter de Percy
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Death: bef Dec 1315, d.v.p.[14]
Spouse: Isabel
Children: Joan
Eustachia
1.1b.1.1.3.1.1.1 Eustachia de Percy
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heir of her grandfather Sir Robert de Percy
cf. YAS XCI:27-28[14]
Spouse: Walter de Heslarton
Children: Sir Walter
1.1b.1.1.3.1.1.1.1 Sir Walter de Heslarton
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' Walterus de Heslarton, chivalier, filius et heres predicte
Eustachie ' [Percy Chartulary, p. 217[15]]
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(Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great
Britain and the United Kingdom.
2. "PIPE ROLL OF 31 HENRY I (1130),"
http://www.constitution.org/sech/sech_025.txt
includes citations from the Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), also from
other 'miscellaneous' rolls: e.g. 5 Steph (1139), re: Hugh d'Auberville.
3. "Genealogics," website by Leo van de Pas,
http://www.genealogics.com
4. William Farrer, Hon.D.Litt., Editor, "Early Yorkshire Charters,"
Ballantyne, Hanson & Co., Edinburgh, 1915-1916, Vol. II (1915)
Vol. III (1916), Vol. XII [the family of Constable of Flamborough],
courtesy Rosie Bevan, Vol. V [Manfield fee, pp. 53-58 ], courtesy
Rosie Bevan, <Re: Avice de Tanfield, wife of Robert Marmion>, SGM,
26 Feb 2002.
5. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Gilbert son of Roger fitz Reinfred," 23 Jun 1999,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites EYC 2:195, 433, 434-6, 9:8, 11:92,
101-2 and other sources.
6. William Brown, ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions of the Reigns of Henry III
and Edward I, Vol. I," The Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical
Association, Record Series, printed for the Society, 1892, Records
Series, Vol. XII, for the year 1891.
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1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
8. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215," Baltimore:
Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David Faris).
9. Douglas Richardson, "Mortimer account," November 19, 2002, paper copy:
library of John Ravilious, cites sources for history of Mortimer family,
including Wigmore chronicle (in Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum).
10. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating
to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II (A.D. 1305 - 1342),
London: for the Public Record Office, 1895, (reprinted 1971,
Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
11. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of
Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.).
12. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society, Record Series), various dates:, Vol. I
(Record series vol. XII) - 1892, Vol. II(Record series vol. XXIII)
- 1898, Vol. III (Record series vol. XXXI) - 1902, Vol. IV (Record
series vol. XXXVII) - 1906.
13. "International Genealogical Index," IGI: published through LDS website,
http://www.familysearch.org
14. A. Gooder, Ph.D., "The Parliamentary Representation of the County
of York, 1258-1832, Vol. I," The Yorkshire Archaeological Society,
Record Series, Vol. XCI (1935), Wakefield: Printed for the Society, 1935.
15. M. T. Martin, ed., "The Percy Chartulary," Durham: Andrews & Co.,
Published for the Society, 1911 (Surtees Soc., vol. 117).
* John P. Ravilious
mwelc...@yahoo.com
I want to add a little here that you don't have Philip de Kyme dead by
1323 was the son of William de Kyme by his wife Lucy de Roos. William
de Kyme was the son of Philip de Kyme by his wife Agnes dau of William
Waley.
See CP vol 7 page 352 footnote G for the Lucy being a Roos.
Hope this Helps
Michael Welch.
mwelc...@yahoo.com
I want to add a little here that you don't have Philip de Kyme dead by
1323 was the son of William de Kyme by his wife Lucy de Roos. William
de Kyme was the son of Philip de Kyme by his wife Agnes dau of William
Waley.
See CP vol 7 page 352 footnote G for Lucy being a Roos.
Hope this Helps
Michael Welch.
mwelc...@yahoo.com
Michael Welch
mwelc...@yahoo.com
Michael Welch
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for that note. I'd not added any more details re: the de
Kyme family to my database as yet, beyond what was given in the last
post. When next I have access to CP VII, I will obtain further
extracts.
Given the chronology of the family, the only possible Lucy de
Ro[o]s who could be the wife of William de Kyme (d. 1259) and mother of
Philip de Kyme would be a daughter of Sir William de Ros of Helmsley
(d. ca. 1264) and his wife Lucy, daughter of Piers fitz Herbert of
Blaen Llyfni. Philip de Kyme was a minor at his father's death in 1259:
he could then have been born anytime between 1239 and 1259, but most
likely ca. 1250 or so. His mother we might then expect to be born
anywhere between say 1214 and 1240. I see most online sources give her
as a daughter of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe and Eustache
'FitzHugh', but their daughter Lucy was the wife of Sir Robert de
Plumpton [cf. YAS XCI:72]. It is apparent that Lucy de Ros, wife of
William de Kyme, would have been a sister, not daughter, of that Sir
William.
Cheers,
John