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Dear Doug,
Thank you for the documentation on Margery de Umfraville. It is apparent
that she is indeed the mother of Roger de Merlay. The list of benefactors of
Newminster Abbey shows:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio, Ordinis Cisterciensis, Fundato
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Publication, Vol. 66, Andrews & Co., Durham,
1878:
Pages 299-300:
Appendix II. Benefactors.
The following records of benefactors, although printed in the Monasticon,
are here reproduced on account of their extreme interest and importance in
connection with the other contents of the present volume.
De Fundatore et praecipuis Benefactoribis Abbathiae de Newminster.
[Ex Martyrologio Novi Monasterii.]
Dominus Ranulphus de Merlay, principalis fundator noster, et Juliana uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt situm hujus abbathiae, grangiam de Hulwane et duas
Rittonas. Willelmus de Merley, Rogerus de Merley primus, magister Osbertus de
Merlay, filii praedicti Ranulphi, Rogerus de Merlay secundus, Majoria uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt tres piscarias in Tyna. Rogerus de Merlay tertius,
qui renovavit et confirmavit nobis omnes donationes antecessorum suorum, et
obiit anno Domini MCCLXV, et reliquit tantum duas filias haeredes, quarum
prima vocabatur Maria, et hance desponsavit dominus Willelmus baro de Graystoke;
secunda vocabatur Isabella, et hanc desponsavit Robertus de Somerville; et
in eis divisa fuit baronia de Merlay.
As you will see there are some inaccuracies in this as it mentions only two
daughters of Roger de Merlay tertius; Mary wife of William de Greystoke and
Isabella wife of Robert de Sommerville. Alice who was the wife of Robert
Thweng is not mentioned.
The proof that Roger de Merlay and his wife Ada, daughter of Duncan, earl of
Fife, had an eldest son named Ranulf is also cited in the Newminster
Cartulary:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio Ordinis Cisterciensis Fundatae
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Vol. 66, Andrews & Company, Durham 1878:
Page 15:
Locus 3. Grant by Roger de Merlay of Piscarie be Benton.
Omnibus, etc. Rogerus de Merlai, salutem. Noverit universitas vestra me
dedisse concessisse et hac praesenti carta mea confirmasse monachis de Novo
Monasterio, Deo et Beatae Mariae ibidem servientibus, pro salute anime et pro
animabus patris et matris mei, et Adae uxoris meae, et Ranulphi filii mei, et
omnium antecessorum meorum et heredum, picarias meas de Benton in Tyna, scilicet
Hames yhare et Burnemuth yare ad faciendum pitancias praedictis monachis in
anniversariis patris et matris meae, Adae uxoris meae, et ranulphi filii mei,
et in anniversario meo cum Deo volente contingerit. Tenendum et habendum de
me et haeredibus meis, libere, quiete, et honorifice, ab omnibus serviciis,
consuetudinibus et exaccionibus, cum omnibus pertinenciis suis et libertatibus
et asiamentis ad praedictas piscarias peryinentibus, eundo et redeundo sine
aliquo inpedimento mei vel meorum hominum, in puram et perpetuam elemosinam
sicud aliqua elemosina sanctae ecclesiae melius et liberius potest dari vel
possideri. Et ego et heredes mei haec omnia praedicta contra omnes homines
warantizabimus, etc.
The Fisheries not to be let.
Abbas et conventus confirmant cum sigillo quod praedictae piscariae in usus
conventus expendantur, nec ad firmam dimittantur, nec abbas nec celler
(arius?) inde se intromittant, salvo tamen jure judicis nostri. Idem sigillo nostro
sigillatum illi in testimonium tradiderunt.
There were other fisheries on the Tyne later granted by Roger de Merlay and
his second wife Margery de Umfraville and this gift was confirmed by Roger de
Merlay tertius which made it appear that he was the son of Margery de
Umfraville not Ada of Fife.
It is also necessary to note that Isabella de Merlay was first married to
Robert de Eure, the son of John fitz Robert of Clavering by his wife Ada de
Bailiol. Robert died bef. May 12, 1271. The documentation confirming this was
posted by John Ravilious and myself in a thread concerning the identity of
Euphemia wife of William Comyn. The relevant documents from Bain are:
Calendar of Documents pertaining to Scotland preserved in her majestys
public Record office, London edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272, H.M. General
Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1837. Nov. 1251.
Inquisition [ under writ dated Guldeford 16th September 35 of the king's
reign, directing Thomas de Stanford and his co-escheator in teh county of York
to inquire whether Ada de Balliol enfeoffed her sons Hugh and Robert in the
manor of Stokesle before her death], made before the said escheator, by Walter
de Staynesby, William de Mubray, Richard de Waussand, John de Normandy, John
de Pathon, Simon le Bret, Roger de Sturmy, Thomas de Hurchewrd, William de
Piketon, Robert de Skutherskelf, Thomas de Salecok, Elais de Marrok; who say,
that Sir Hugh de Balliol gave the manor of Stokesley to Ada his daughter in
frank marriage and the said Ada after the death of her husabnd, enfeoffed Hugh
and Robert her sons in the said manor, on Sunday next before the Feast of St.
Barnabas the Apostle, in the king's 34th year, and they were in full seisin
from that day until after the Feast of St. Michael same year. And each of
them appointed a new senshal and reeve of the aforesaid lady, and held courts
during said time, and received amercements from many, and took homage of all
free men, and rent from th eterm of St. John [the]Baptist, and multure of the
mill, and sold part of the meadow, and caused attorn and carry another part,
and reap and carry the corn in autumn, and did other acts of property, till
the aforesaid term after Michaelmas, when they delivered the manor in lease to
their said mother, to be held for her life, paying to them 40s. per annum. So
that after her death it should remain quit to the said Hugh and Robert and
their heirs for ever. And that the said Ada died at Stokesley on Saturday next
after the Feast of St. Jamed the Apostle in the king's 35th year, as lessee
(firmarii) of her said sons. Alaso that the attorneys of the said Hugh and
Robert put themselves in seisin of said manor after the death of said Ada,
before she was buried. And on the Morrow after the burial Hugh came and entered
seisin for himself and his brother with many, and held possession for
.....until he was expelled by force by the king's letters and the whole county, who
came with the Sheriff and escheators, viz.,,,,,[Bar]tholomew same year. [Inq.
p.m. 35 Henry III, no. 51]
Documents concerning Roger de Merlay III and his daughters:
Calendar of Inquistions Post Mortem, Volume I, Henry III, Kruas Reprint,
1973:
Pages 200-201:
636. Roger de Merley alias de Merlay.
Writ, Dec. 4. Extent, Tuesday before the Conversion of St. Paul, 50 Henry
III.
His three daughters are his heirs, whereof the eldest, aged 24, is married
to William de Graystok, the second, aged 10, is not married, and the third,
aged 8, was married before the said Roger's death to the son and heir of
Marmaduke de Tueng.
York. Burton manor (extent given with names of tenants), including a croft
called Cumbland, a culrure called Elyesflat, a mill and culture at Thyrnun,
and lands or rents in the towns of Drenghou and Thyrnon, held of Peter de Brus,
service unspecified.
Knight's fees pertaining to the manor;---
Harpam, Burton, Thyrnom, Mapelton, Rolleston, and Grancemor, 2 1/2 knight's
fees held by Herbert de Sancto Quintino.
Jetingham, Brentingham, Clif and Cave, 1 knight's fee held by Hugh Gubyon.
Burton. 5 bovates land held by the said Hugh by service of 1/20 knight's fee.
Rodestayn, Benton, and Buketon. 1 knight's fee held by William de Rodestayn.
Hasthorp. 1/6 knight's fee held by William de Hasthorp.
Thyrnom and Grancemor. 1/12 knight's fee held by Alan Romund.
Thrynom. 1/40 knight's fee held by Anselm le Engleys; and 1/4 knight's fee
held by John le Engleys.
Harpham. 1/12 knight's fee held by Thomas de Louthorp. (See No. 775)
C. Henry III. File 33. (10.)
Page 254:
775. Roger de Merlay.
Writ of Partition, 6 November, on the complaint of William de Craystok, who
married Mary, eldest daughter and one of the heirs of the said Roger, that
owing to the death of Alice the youngest daughter, who was in the king's
wardship, partition of the woods and parks had been omitted by the escheator, and
Robert de Eure who married Isabel, another daughter and heir, would not permit
the said William and Mary to have their portion. Partition, 4 March, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. Morpath, Horseleye and Witton. Partition made, with full
extent of boundaries of the said parks and woods. And lot being cast, this is
the part of Sir William de Graystoc, viz.---The western part of the forest, and
Estparc with Schaldefen in Morpath; and to Sir Robert de Euer and his heirs
remain, teh eastern part of the forest, and Cotingwode and Westparc, and a
parcel of wood in Wildehaldeside.
Writ ad Plenum certorari, 20 July, divers contentions having arisen upon the
partition lately made. Inq. The day of the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. The whole inheritance of the said Roger in the county was
parted at first as follows, viz.---Morpath assigned to Sir William, son of
Thomas de Greystock and Mary his wife, Wytton with the service of Wyndegate to
the said Isabel, and Beuasys and Stanington with a parcel in Trenwell to the
said Alice; but the woods remained unparted, the wood of Morpath in the custody
of William and Mary, and the forest in that of Sir Geoffrey de Lesyni, who ad
the wardship of Isabel and Alice by the king's gift. After the death of
Alice, her part was parted by lot between the said William and mary and the
guardian of the said Isabel, and both were content, but the woods were not parted
by lot but were assigned; Sir William was never content with his part, but
Robert de Euyr was content. Whereupon Sir William procured the king's writ to
the escheator (as above), and the woods were parted, and lots cast; but
because the part formerly assigned to the said Robert fell to Sir William by lot,
the said Robert holds it still by force, and William cannot have seisin
thereof. Waste has been done by both parties but cheifly by Robert, and the
escheator having taken an oath from robert's forester to keep the woods and parks
safely, the said Robert removed him, so that the escheator could not fully
perform the king's mandate. (See No. 636).
C. Henry III. File 40. (8.)
Thank you for the documentation on Margery de Umfraville. It is apparent
that she is indeed the mother of Roger de Merlay. The list of benefactors of
Newminster Abbey shows:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio, Ordinis Cisterciensis, Fundato
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Publication, Vol. 66, Andrews & Co., Durham,
1878:
Pages 299-300:
Appendix II. Benefactors.
The following records of benefactors, although printed in the Monasticon,
are here reproduced on account of their extreme interest and importance in
connection with the other contents of the present volume.
De Fundatore et praecipuis Benefactoribis Abbathiae de Newminster.
[Ex Martyrologio Novi Monasterii.]
Dominus Ranulphus de Merlay, principalis fundator noster, et Juliana uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt situm hujus abbathiae, grangiam de Hulwane et duas
Rittonas. Willelmus de Merley, Rogerus de Merley primus, magister Osbertus de
Merlay, filii praedicti Ranulphi, Rogerus de Merlay secundus, Majoria uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt tres piscarias in Tyna. Rogerus de Merlay tertius,
qui renovavit et confirmavit nobis omnes donationes antecessorum suorum, et
obiit anno Domini MCCLXV, et reliquit tantum duas filias haeredes, quarum
prima vocabatur Maria, et hance desponsavit dominus Willelmus baro de Graystoke;
secunda vocabatur Isabella, et hanc desponsavit Robertus de Somerville; et
in eis divisa fuit baronia de Merlay.
As you will see there are some inaccuracies in this as it mentions only two
daughters of Roger de Merlay tertius; Mary wife of William de Greystoke and
Isabella wife of Robert de Sommerville. Alice who was the wife of Robert
Thweng is not mentioned.
The proof that Roger de Merlay and his wife Ada, daughter of Duncan, earl of
Fife, had an eldest son named Ranulf is also cited in the Newminster
Cartulary:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio Ordinis Cisterciensis Fundatae
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Vol. 66, Andrews & Company, Durham 1878:
Page 15:
Locus 3. Grant by Roger de Merlay of Piscarie be Benton.
Omnibus, etc. Rogerus de Merlai, salutem. Noverit universitas vestra me
dedisse concessisse et hac praesenti carta mea confirmasse monachis de Novo
Monasterio, Deo et Beatae Mariae ibidem servientibus, pro salute anime et pro
animabus patris et matris mei, et Adae uxoris meae, et Ranulphi filii mei, et
omnium antecessorum meorum et heredum, picarias meas de Benton in Tyna, scilicet
Hames yhare et Burnemuth yare ad faciendum pitancias praedictis monachis in
anniversariis patris et matris meae, Adae uxoris meae, et ranulphi filii mei,
et in anniversario meo cum Deo volente contingerit. Tenendum et habendum de
me et haeredibus meis, libere, quiete, et honorifice, ab omnibus serviciis,
consuetudinibus et exaccionibus, cum omnibus pertinenciis suis et libertatibus
et asiamentis ad praedictas piscarias peryinentibus, eundo et redeundo sine
aliquo inpedimento mei vel meorum hominum, in puram et perpetuam elemosinam
sicud aliqua elemosina sanctae ecclesiae melius et liberius potest dari vel
possideri. Et ego et heredes mei haec omnia praedicta contra omnes homines
warantizabimus, etc.
The Fisheries not to be let.
Abbas et conventus confirmant cum sigillo quod praedictae piscariae in usus
conventus expendantur, nec ad firmam dimittantur, nec abbas nec celler
(arius?) inde se intromittant, salvo tamen jure judicis nostri. Idem sigillo nostro
sigillatum illi in testimonium tradiderunt.
There were other fisheries on the Tyne later granted by Roger de Merlay and
his second wife Margery de Umfraville and this gift was confirmed by Roger de
Merlay tertius which made it appear that he was the son of Margery de
Umfraville not Ada of Fife.
It is also necessary to note that Isabella de Merlay was first married to
Robert de Eure, the son of John fitz Robert of Clavering by his wife Ada de
Bailiol. Robert died bef. May 12, 1271. The documentation confirming this was
posted by John Ravilious and myself in a thread concerning the identity of
Euphemia wife of William Comyn. The relevant documents from Bain are:
Calendar of Documents pertaining to Scotland preserved in her majestys
public Record office, London edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272, H.M. General
Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1837. Nov. 1251.
Inquisition [ under writ dated Guldeford 16th September 35 of the king's
reign, directing Thomas de Stanford and his co-escheator in teh county of York
to inquire whether Ada de Balliol enfeoffed her sons Hugh and Robert in the
manor of Stokesle before her death], made before the said escheator, by Walter
de Staynesby, William de Mubray, Richard de Waussand, John de Normandy, John
de Pathon, Simon le Bret, Roger de Sturmy, Thomas de Hurchewrd, William de
Piketon, Robert de Skutherskelf, Thomas de Salecok, Elais de Marrok; who say,
that Sir Hugh de Balliol gave the manor of Stokesley to Ada his daughter in
frank marriage and the said Ada after the death of her husabnd, enfeoffed Hugh
and Robert her sons in the said manor, on Sunday next before the Feast of St.
Barnabas the Apostle, in the king's 34th year, and they were in full seisin
from that day until after the Feast of St. Michael same year. And each of
them appointed a new senshal and reeve of the aforesaid lady, and held courts
during said time, and received amercements from many, and took homage of all
free men, and rent from th eterm of St. John [the]Baptist, and multure of the
mill, and sold part of the meadow, and caused attorn and carry another part,
and reap and carry the corn in autumn, and did other acts of property, till
the aforesaid term after Michaelmas, when they delivered the manor in lease to
their said mother, to be held for her life, paying to them 40s. per annum. So
that after her death it should remain quit to the said Hugh and Robert and
their heirs for ever. And that the said Ada died at Stokesley on Saturday next
after the Feast of St. Jamed the Apostle in the king's 35th year, as lessee
(firmarii) of her said sons. Alaso that the attorneys of the said Hugh and
Robert put themselves in seisin of said manor after the death of said Ada,
before she was buried. And on the Morrow after the burial Hugh came and entered
seisin for himself and his brother with many, and held possession for
.....until he was expelled by force by the king's letters and the whole county, who
came with the Sheriff and escheators, viz.,,,,,[Bar]tholomew same year. [Inq.
p.m. 35 Henry III, no. 51]
Documents concerning Roger de Merlay III and his daughters:
Calendar of Inquistions Post Mortem, Volume I, Henry III, Kruas Reprint,
1973:
Pages 200-201:
636. Roger de Merley alias de Merlay.
Writ, Dec. 4. Extent, Tuesday before the Conversion of St. Paul, 50 Henry
III.
His three daughters are his heirs, whereof the eldest, aged 24, is married
to William de Graystok, the second, aged 10, is not married, and the third,
aged 8, was married before the said Roger's death to the son and heir of
Marmaduke de Tueng.
York. Burton manor (extent given with names of tenants), including a croft
called Cumbland, a culrure called Elyesflat, a mill and culture at Thyrnun,
and lands or rents in the towns of Drenghou and Thyrnon, held of Peter de Brus,
service unspecified.
Knight's fees pertaining to the manor;---
Harpam, Burton, Thyrnom, Mapelton, Rolleston, and Grancemor, 2 1/2 knight's
fees held by Herbert de Sancto Quintino.
Jetingham, Brentingham, Clif and Cave, 1 knight's fee held by Hugh Gubyon.
Burton. 5 bovates land held by the said Hugh by service of 1/20 knight's fee.
Rodestayn, Benton, and Buketon. 1 knight's fee held by William de Rodestayn.
Hasthorp. 1/6 knight's fee held by William de Hasthorp.
Thyrnom and Grancemor. 1/12 knight's fee held by Alan Romund.
Thrynom. 1/40 knight's fee held by Anselm le Engleys; and 1/4 knight's fee
held by John le Engleys.
Harpham. 1/12 knight's fee held by Thomas de Louthorp. (See No. 775)
C. Henry III. File 33. (10.)
Page 254:
775. Roger de Merlay.
Writ of Partition, 6 November, on the complaint of William de Craystok, who
married Mary, eldest daughter and one of the heirs of the said Roger, that
owing to the death of Alice the youngest daughter, who was in the king's
wardship, partition of the woods and parks had been omitted by the escheator, and
Robert de Eure who married Isabel, another daughter and heir, would not permit
the said William and Mary to have their portion. Partition, 4 March, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. Morpath, Horseleye and Witton. Partition made, with full
extent of boundaries of the said parks and woods. And lot being cast, this is
the part of Sir William de Graystoc, viz.---The western part of the forest, and
Estparc with Schaldefen in Morpath; and to Sir Robert de Euer and his heirs
remain, teh eastern part of the forest, and Cotingwode and Westparc, and a
parcel of wood in Wildehaldeside.
Writ ad Plenum certorari, 20 July, divers contentions having arisen upon the
partition lately made. Inq. The day of the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. The whole inheritance of the said Roger in the county was
parted at first as follows, viz.---Morpath assigned to Sir William, son of
Thomas de Greystock and Mary his wife, Wytton with the service of Wyndegate to
the said Isabel, and Beuasys and Stanington with a parcel in Trenwell to the
said Alice; but the woods remained unparted, the wood of Morpath in the custody
of William and Mary, and the forest in that of Sir Geoffrey de Lesyni, who ad
the wardship of Isabel and Alice by the king's gift. After the death of
Alice, her part was parted by lot between the said William and mary and the
guardian of the said Isabel, and both were content, but the woods were not parted
by lot but were assigned; Sir William was never content with his part, but
Robert de Euyr was content. Whereupon Sir William procured the king's writ to
the escheator (as above), and the woods were parted, and lots cast; but
because the part formerly assigned to the said Robert fell to Sir William by lot,
the said Robert holds it still by force, and William cannot have seisin
thereof. Waste has been done by both parties but cheifly by Robert, and the
escheator having taken an oath from robert's forester to keep the woods and parks
safely, the said Robert removed him, so that the escheator could not fully
perform the king's mandate. (See No. 636).
C. Henry III. File 40. (8.)
Best regards,
MichaelAnne
Claud...@aol.com
Nov 18, 2005, 3:16:58 PM11/18/05
to
Thweng is not mentioned.
The proof that Roger de Merlay and his wife Ada, daughter of Duncan, earl of
Fife, had an eldest son named Ranulf is also cited in the Newminster
Cartulary:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio Ordinis Cisterciensis Fundatae
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Vol. 66, Andrews & Company, Durham 1878:
Page 15:
Locus 3. Grant by Roger de Merlay of Piscarie be Benton.
Omnibus, etc. Rogerus de Merlai, salutem. Noverit universitas vestra me
dedisse concessisse et hac praesenti carta mea confirmasse monachis de Novo
Monasterio, Deo et Beatae Mariae ibidem servientibus, pro salute anime et pro
animabus patris et matris mei, et Adae uxoris meae, et Ranulphi filii mei, et
omnium antecessorum meorum et heredum, picarias meas de Benton in Tyna, scilicet
Hames yhare et Burnemuth yare ad faciendum pitancias praedictis monachis in
anniversariis patris et matris meae, Adae uxoris meae, et Ranulphi filii mei, The proof that Roger de Merlay and his wife Ada, daughter of Duncan, earl of
Fife, had an eldest son named Ranulf is also cited in the Newminster
Cartulary:
Chartularium Abbathiae de Novo Monasterio Ordinis Cisterciensis Fundatae
Anno MCXXXVII, Surtees Society Vol. 66, Andrews & Company, Durham 1878:
Page 15:
Locus 3. Grant by Roger de Merlay of Piscarie be Benton.
Omnibus, etc. Rogerus de Merlai, salutem. Noverit universitas vestra me
dedisse concessisse et hac praesenti carta mea confirmasse monachis de Novo
Monasterio, Deo et Beatae Mariae ibidem servientibus, pro salute anime et pro
animabus patris et matris mei, et Adae uxoris meae, et Ranulphi filii mei, et
omnium antecessorum meorum et heredum, picarias meas de Benton in Tyna, scilicet
Hames yhare et Burnemuth yare ad faciendum pitancias praedictis monachis in
et in anniversario meo cum Deo volente contingerit. tenendum et habendum de
me et haeredibus meis, libere, quiete, et honorifice, ab omnibus serviciis,
consuetudinibus et exaccionibus, cum omnibus pertinenciis suis et libertatibus
et asiamentis ad praedictas piscarias pertinentibus, eundo et redeundo sine consuetudinibus et exaccionibus, cum omnibus pertinenciis suis et libertatibus
aliquo inpedimento mei vel meorum hominum, in puram et perpetuam elemosinam
sicud aliqua elemosina sanctae ecclesiae melius et liberius potest dari vel
possideri. Et ego et heredes mei haec omnia praedicta contra omnes homines
warantizabimus, etc.
The Fisheries not to be let.
Abbas et conventus confirmant cum sigillo quod praedictae piscariae in usus
conventus expendantur, nec ad firmam dimittantur, nec abbas nec celler
(arius?) inde se intromittant, salvo tamen jure judicis nostri. Idem sigillo nostro
sigillatum illi in testimonium tradiderunt.
There were other fisheries on the Tyne later granted by Roger de Merlay and
his second wife Margery de Umfraville and this gift was confirmed by Roger de
Merlay tertius which made it appear that he was the son of Margery de
Umfraville not Ada of Fife.
It is also necessary to note that Isabella de Merlay was first married to
Robert de Eure, the son of John fitz Robert of Clavering by his wife Ada de
Bailiol. Robert died bef. May 12, 1271. The documentation confirming this was
posted by John Ravilious and myself in a thread concerning the identity of
Euphemia wife of William Comyn. The relevant documents from Bain are:
Calendar of Documents pertaining to Scotland preserved in her majestys
public Record office, London edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272, H.M. General
Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1837. Nov. 1251.
Inquisition [ under writ dated Guldeford 16th September 35 of the king's
reign, directing Thomas de Stanford and his co-escheator in the county of York sicud aliqua elemosina sanctae ecclesiae melius et liberius potest dari vel
possideri. Et ego et heredes mei haec omnia praedicta contra omnes homines
warantizabimus, etc.
The Fisheries not to be let.
Abbas et conventus confirmant cum sigillo quod praedictae piscariae in usus
conventus expendantur, nec ad firmam dimittantur, nec abbas nec celler
(arius?) inde se intromittant, salvo tamen jure judicis nostri. Idem sigillo nostro
sigillatum illi in testimonium tradiderunt.
There were other fisheries on the Tyne later granted by Roger de Merlay and
his second wife Margery de Umfraville and this gift was confirmed by Roger de
Merlay tertius which made it appear that he was the son of Margery de
Umfraville not Ada of Fife.
It is also necessary to note that Isabella de Merlay was first married to
Robert de Eure, the son of John fitz Robert of Clavering by his wife Ada de
Bailiol. Robert died bef. May 12, 1271. The documentation confirming this was
posted by John Ravilious and myself in a thread concerning the identity of
Euphemia wife of William Comyn. The relevant documents from Bain are:
Calendar of Documents pertaining to Scotland preserved in her majestys
public Record office, London edited by Joseph Bain, Vol. I 1108-1272, H.M. General
Register House 1881, Edinburgh:
#1837. Nov. 1251.
Inquisition [ under writ dated Guldeford 16th September 35 of the king's
to inquire whether Ada de Balliol enfeoffed her sons Hugh and Robert in the
manor of Stokesle before her death], made before the said escheator, by Walter
de Staynesby, William de Mubray, Richard de Waussand, John de Normandy, John
de Pathon, Simon le Bret, Roger de Sturmy, Thomas de Hurchewrd, William de
Piketon, Robert de Skutherskelf, Thomas de Salecok, Elais de Marrok; who say,
that Sir Hugh de Balliol gave the manor of Stokesley to Ada his daughter in
frank marriage and the said Ada after the death of her husband, enfeoffed Hugh manor of Stokesle before her death], made before the said escheator, by Walter
de Staynesby, William de Mubray, Richard de Waussand, John de Normandy, John
de Pathon, Simon le Bret, Roger de Sturmy, Thomas de Hurchewrd, William de
Piketon, Robert de Skutherskelf, Thomas de Salecok, Elais de Marrok; who say,
that Sir Hugh de Balliol gave the manor of Stokesley to Ada his daughter in
and Robert her sons in the said manor, on Sunday next before the Feast of St.
Barnabas the Apostle, in the king's 34th year, and they were in full seisin
from that day until after the Feast of St. Michael same year. And each of
them appointed a new senshal and reeve of the aforesaid lady, and held courts
during said time, and received amercements from many, and took homage of all
free men, and rent from the term of St. John [the]Baptist, and multure of the Barnabas the Apostle, in the king's 34th year, and they were in full seisin
from that day until after the Feast of St. Michael same year. And each of
them appointed a new senshal and reeve of the aforesaid lady, and held courts
during said time, and received amercements from many, and took homage of all
mill, and sold part of the meadow, and caused attorn and carry another part,
and reap and carry the corn in autumn, and did other acts of property, till
the aforesaid term after Michaelmas, when they delivered the manor in lease to
their said mother, to be held for her life, paying to them 40s. per annum. So
that after her death it should remain quit to the said Hugh and Robert and
their heirs for ever. And that the said Ada died at Stokesley on Saturday next
after the Feast of St. James the Apostle in the king's 35th year, as lessee and reap and carry the corn in autumn, and did other acts of property, till
the aforesaid term after Michaelmas, when they delivered the manor in lease to
their said mother, to be held for her life, paying to them 40s. per annum. So
that after her death it should remain quit to the said Hugh and Robert and
their heirs for ever. And that the said Ada died at Stokesley on Saturday next
(firmarii) of her said sons. Also that the attorneys of the said Hugh and
Robert put themselves in seisin of said manor after the death of said Ada,
before she was buried. And on the Morrow after the burial Hugh came and entered
seisin for himself and his brother with many, and held possession for .....until
he was expelled by force by the king's letters and the whole county, who
came with the Sheriff and escheators, viz.,,,,,[Bar]tholomew same year. [Inq.
p.m. 35 Henry III, no. 51]
Documents concerning Roger de Merlay III and his daughters:
Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume I, Henry III, Kraus Reprint, before she was buried. And on the Morrow after the burial Hugh came and entered
seisin for himself and his brother with many, and held possession for .....until
he was expelled by force by the king's letters and the whole county, who
came with the Sheriff and escheators, viz.,,,,,[Bar]tholomew same year. [Inq.
p.m. 35 Henry III, no. 51]
Documents concerning Roger de Merlay III and his daughters:
1973:
Pages 200-201:
636. Roger de Merley alias de Merlay.
Writ, Dec. 4. Extent, Tuesday before the Conversion of St. Paul, 50 Henry
III.
His three daughters are his heirs, whereof the eldest, aged 24, is married
to William de Graystok, the second, aged 10, is not married, and the third,
aged 8, was married before the said Roger's death to the son and heir of
Marmaduke de Tueng.
York. Burton manor (extent given with names of tenants), including a croft
called Cumbland, a culture called Elyesflat, a mill and culture at Thyrnun, Pages 200-201:
636. Roger de Merley alias de Merlay.
Writ, Dec. 4. Extent, Tuesday before the Conversion of St. Paul, 50 Henry
III.
His three daughters are his heirs, whereof the eldest, aged 24, is married
to William de Graystok, the second, aged 10, is not married, and the third,
aged 8, was married before the said Roger's death to the son and heir of
Marmaduke de Tueng.
York. Burton manor (extent given with names of tenants), including a croft
parcel of wood in Wildehaldeside.
Writ ad Plenum certorari, 20 July, divers contentions having arisen upon the
partition lately made. Inq. The day of the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. The whole inheritance of the said Roger in the county was
parted at first as follows, viz.---Morpath assigned to Sir William, son of
Thomas de Greystock and Mary his wife, Wytton with the service of Wyndegate to
the said Isabel, and Beuasys and Stanington with a parcel in Trenwell to the
said Alice; but the woods remained unparted, the wood of Morpath in the custody
of William and Mary, and the forest in that of Sir Geoffrey de Lesyni, who ad
the wardship of Isabel and Alice by the king's gift. After the death of
Alice, her part was parted by lot between the said William and Mary and the Writ ad Plenum certorari, 20 July, divers contentions having arisen upon the
partition lately made. Inq. The day of the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross, 55
Henry III.
Northumberland. The whole inheritance of the said Roger in the county was
parted at first as follows, viz.---Morpath assigned to Sir William, son of
Thomas de Greystock and Mary his wife, Wytton with the service of Wyndegate to
the said Isabel, and Beuasys and Stanington with a parcel in Trenwell to the
said Alice; but the woods remained unparted, the wood of Morpath in the custody
of William and Mary, and the forest in that of Sir Geoffrey de Lesyni, who ad
the wardship of Isabel and Alice by the king's gift. After the death of
guardian of the said Isabel, and both were content, but the woods were not parted
by lot but were assigned; Sir William was never content with his part, but
Robert de Euyr was content. Whereupon Sir William procured the king's writ to
the escheator (as above), and the woods were parted, and lots cast; but
because the part formerly assigned to the said Robert fell to Sir William by lot,
the said Robert holds it still by force, and William cannot have seisin
thereof. Waste has been done by both parties but chiefly by Robert, and the by lot but were assigned; Sir William was never content with his part, but
Robert de Euyr was content. Whereupon Sir William procured the king's writ to
the escheator (as above), and the woods were parted, and lots cast; but
because the part formerly assigned to the said Robert fell to Sir William by lot,
the said Robert holds it still by force, and William cannot have seisin
escheator having taken an oath from Robert's forester to keep the woods and parks
WJho...@aol.com
Nov 18, 2005, 4:48:32 PM11/18/05
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In a message dated 11/18/05 12:08:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Claud...@aol.com writes:
Claud...@aol.com writes:
<< Appendix II. Benefactors.
The following records of benefactors, although printed in the Monasticon,
are here reproduced on account of their extreme interest and importance in
connection with the other contents of the present volume.
De Fundatore et praecipuis Benefactoribis Abbathiae de Newminster.
[Ex Martyrologio Novi Monasterii.]
Dominus Ranulphus de Merlay, principalis fundator noster, et Juliana uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt situm hujus abbathiae, grangiam de Hulwane et
duas
Rittonas. Willelmus de Merley, Rogerus de Merley primus, magister Osbertus
de
Merlay, filii praedicti Ranulphi, Rogerus de Merlay secundus, Majoria uxor
ejus, qui nobis contulerunt tres piscarias in Tyna. Rogerus de Merlay
tertius,
qui renovavit et confirmavit nobis omnes donationes antecessorum suorum, et
obiit anno Domini MCCLXV, et reliquit tantum duas filias haeredes, quarum
prima vocabatur Maria, et hance desponsavit dominus Willelmus baro de
Graystoke;
secunda vocabatur Isabella, et hanc desponsavit Robertus de Somerville; et
in eis divisa fuit baronia de Merlay. >>
What is the translation of this?
Thanks
Will Johnson
Douglas Richardson
Nov 18, 2005, 7:12:32 PM11/18/05
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Dear MichaelAnne ~
In my post from yesterday which I've copied below, I gave evidence
which showed that Margery de Umfreville was NOT the mother of Sir Roger
de Merlay III. The inquisition taken in 1292 following Margery's death
specifically states that Margery died without issue. The Latin in the
inquisition reads: "Margeria obiit sine herede de corpore suo." The
inquisition further shows that the heir to Margery's maritagium, the
manor of Barrasford, Northumberland, was her nephew, Gilbert de
Umfreville.
I might mention that Margery de Umfreville's inquisition is another
addition to Complete Peerage, as the Angus account [C.P. 1 (1910): 147]
fails to mention that Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus, was heir in
1292 to his aunt, Margery (de Umfreville) (de Merlay) de Lexington.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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COPY OF EARLIER POST
Dear John ~
Thank you for the good review of the evidence. I should point out,
however, that Sir Roger de Merlay III (died 1265) can not possibly be
the son of Margery de Umfreville.
Following Margery de Umfreville's death, there was an inquisition taken
at the feast of St. Peter in Cathedra in 20 Edward I (that is, 22
February 1292). The jurors stated that Richard de Umfreville
(grandfather of Gilbert de Umfreville who now is) gave the manor of
Barrasford, Northumberland to Roger de Merlay [II] in free marriage
with Margery his daughter and to their heirs of the body of Margery.
The jurors further stated that Margery died without issue ("Margeria
obiit sine herede de corpore suo.") and that the manor of Barrasford
should revert to Gilbert de Umfreville who now is who is the heir of
Richard de Umfreville his grandfather. A transcript of the full
inquisition in Latin is printed in John Hodgson, History of
Northumberland, Part II, Vol. II (1832): 470.
As for the date of the marriage of Roger de Merley II and Margery de
Umfreville, I show that Margery's father, Richard de Umfreville, died
before Nov. 1226 and that Roger de Merlay II died in 1239. Thus we can
say for certain that the marriage occurred sometime before November
1226, by which date Richard de Umfreville had granted the manor of
Barrasford to Roger in free marriage with Isabel in his daughter.
Lastly, I might add that the Latin words "corpore suo" [her body]
refers back to Margery's body, which Margery is the subject of the
sentence.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Claud...@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Doug,
>
> Thank you for the documentation on Margery de Umfraville. It is apparent
> that she is indeed the mother of Roger de Merlay.
>
> Best regards,
> MichaelAnne
Claud...@aol.com
Nov 18, 2005, 8:18:15 PM11/18/05
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Dear Doug,
My apologies. I meant It is apparent that she is NOT indeed the mother of
Roger de Merlay. I know that you are correct on this point and I think it is
truly a significant find. My regrets for the slip.
Best regards,
MichaelAnne
My apologies. I meant It is apparent that she is NOT indeed the mother of
Roger de Merlay. I know that you are correct on this point and I think it is
truly a significant find. My regrets for the slip.
Best regards,
MichaelAnne
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