Anne Poole/Rev. Nicholas Street of Taunton, Plymouth Colony & New Haven Colony

[Christopher Barttels]

Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,

Looking for your help on this question of colonial ancestry.

I realize that this is on the cusp of being off topic giving the time
frame but please bear with me. I have seen several listers with the
same ancestry.

Over the years I have accepted without question the supposed marriage
of the Reverend Nicholas Street of Taunton, MA and New Haven, CT to
Anne Poole, dau of Sir William Pole and Mary Periam (child x. of Poole
1 in Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry" 2 ed., page 293 (She would also
fall in line 27-18 p. 23 of MC5, p. 35.))

I have gone back and looked at the secondary sources that list this as
the first marriage of the Rev. Nicholas Street.

The first place I find this marriage or mention of a possible marriage
is James Savage in "A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of
New England", he states, Emery says his first w. was a sis. of the
maiden found. of the town (Taunton).

I believe it's a Street family history that says "His first wife was
Ann (Pole or Poole) Waldron, sister of Elizabeth Pole foundress of
Taunton and daughter of Sir John Pole of Colyton, Devon, whose wife
was Marie daughter of Sir William Perian and chief Baron"

In Henry A Street's article "Rev. Nicholas Street and His Descendants"
which appears in "Genealogies of Connecticut Familes" (composed of
articles that were originally published in the NEGH Register) it is
said, "by his 1st wife, whose maiden name is said to have been Poole,
he had five children".

Street family researchers give the immigrant Rev. Nicholas Street a
birth/bapt date of Jan 1602/3 in Bridgwater, Somerset. I'm not too
sure how accurate this date is however. As to Anne Poole, her bpt
date is given as 1 Nov 1589 in Shute, Devon. Is is possible that the
age difference makes this union impossible?

Torrey in "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" only says Rev.
Street's 1wf was ?Alice____/Poole?

It is a fact that the Rev. Nicholas Street was the minister of Taunton
at the time that Anne Poole's brother and sister Capt.William and
mistress Elizabeth Poole were important in this Plymouth Colony
village.

I trust the opinion of this group for an opinion on this matter.

Thanks so much.

Christopher Barttels
Dayton, WA, USA

[Dewayne E. Perry]

Christopher Barttels wrote:
>
> Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Looking for your help on this question of colonial ancestry.
>
> I realize that this is on the cusp of being off topic giving the time
> frame but please bear with me. I have seen several listers with the
> same ancestry.
>
> Over the years I have accepted without question the supposed marriage
> of the Reverend Nicholas Street of Taunton, MA and New Haven, CT to
> Anne Poole, dau of Sir William Pole and Mary Periam (child x. of Poole
> 1 in Faris, "Plantagenet Ancestry" 2 ed., page 293 (She would also
> fall in line 27-18 p. 23 of MC5, p. 35.))

In Faris' PA, 2nd edition, pg 293, there is no mention of Alice or
Nicholas Street. "x. Anne Pole, fourth daughter, baptized Shute 1 Nov.
1589; married Edward Walrond of Boveny, co. Devon. Issue."

> I have gone back and looked at the secondary sources that list this as
> the first marriage of the Rev. Nicholas Street.
>
> The first place I find this marriage or mention of a possible marriage
> is James Savage in "A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of
> New England", he states, Emery says his first w. was a sis. of the
> maiden found. of the town (Taunton).

Unfortunately, Savage is [notoriously?] often incorrect (cf. The Great
Migration Begins).

> I believe it's a Street family history that says "His first wife was
> Ann (Pole or Poole) Waldron, sister of Elizabeth Pole foundress of
> Taunton and daughter of Sir John Pole of Colyton, Devon, whose wife
> was Marie daughter of Sir William Perian and chief Baron"

Not sure how I missed this - i did not have this in my notes.

> In Henry A Street's article "Rev. Nicholas Street and His Descendants"
> which appears in "Genealogies of Connecticut Familes" (composed of
> articles that were originally published in the NEGH Register) it is
> said, "by his 1st wife, whose maiden name is said to have been Poole,
> he had five children".

NEHGR 44:184 (April 1890) "By his 1st wife, whose maiden name is said

to have been Poole, he had five children."

> Street family researchers give the immigrant Rev. Nicholas Street a
> birth/bapt date of Jan 1602/3 in Bridgwater, Somerset. I'm not too
> sure how accurate this date is however. As to Anne Poole, her bpt
> date is given as 1 Nov 1589 in Shute, Devon. Is is possible that the
> age difference makes this union impossible?

NEHGR 46:256-267 (July 1892), J. Henry Lea, " Parentage of Rev. Nicholas
Street, of New Haven, Ct." TAG 27:11 relevant here also.

NEHGR 48:489-495, "Genealogical Gleanings in England: William Poole of
Shute, Devon,Esq" (October 1894). Will of WP, proved 14 October 1587
(father of William Pole). Will of Sir William Pole of Cocombe, Devon,
knight aged 74 years the thirtieth of August last [page 490]. [Page 492:
Will of] Lady Jane of Coleton, Devon, Widow, 29 August 1653, proved
10 June 1654. [Page 493-495] Further wills of John, his wife Anne, etc.
No mention of Street.

> Torrey in "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" only says Rev.
> Street's 1wf was ?Alice____/Poole?

The two relevant entries from Torrey cd-rom [published with sources] are:

STREET, Nicholas (bpt 29 Jan 1603, 1603-1674) & 1/wf ?Alice _____/POOLE? (1607?-); by
1635?; Taunton/New Haven {Warner-Harrington 645; TAG 27:11; Street;
Beckwith Gen. 35; New Haven Gen. Mag. 1709; Lane (#5) 21; Boardman Anc.
144, 222; Fulton Anc. 251; Babcock Anc. 100; Whitney 58; Winchester (1912)
165; Taunton 176,-179, 183; Reg. 44:183+, 46:256, 60:96}

STREET, Nicholas (1603-1674) & 2/wf Mary (_____) [NEWMAN], w Francis, m/3 William
LEETE 1674+; aft Nov 1660; New Haven {Reg. 44:184, 81:132; Hall-Baldwin
128; New Haven Gen. Mag. 1085, 1709; Street 4; Boardman Anc. 222; Babcock
Anc. 100; Winchester (1912) 155; Lester 19; DePew Anc. 103; Cole (1909) 17;
Warner-Harrington 645}

> It is a fact that the Rev. Nicholas Street was the minister of Taunton
> at the time that Anne Poole's brother and sister Capt.William and
> mistress Elizabeth Poole were important in this Plymouth Colony
> village.
>
> I trust the opinion of this group for an opinion on this matter.
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Christopher Barttels
> Dayton, WA, USA

So, there seems to be little to support the claim. Please let me know
if you find something that I dont have here for the claim.

Cheers - Dewayne

[Dewayne E. Perry]

NEHGR 60:96 (January 1906):

"STREET. - Emery's "Ministry of Taunton, Mass.," vol. 1, page 157, says that
Rev. Nicholas Street, the early minister there, married a sister of Elizabeth
Pole, the foundress of the place. Walter's "Gleanings", vol. 2, pp 925-7,
gives the wills of Elizabeth Pole's father and grandfather, and notes the
names of her sisters and their husbands, but the name Street does not appear.
Can any on <i>prove</i> Emery's statement?"

I have looked thru the rest of NEHGR and have found no answer to this query,
nor anything that would help to support it.

Cheers - Dewayne

[Dewayne E Perry]

from a web site found by googling rev nicholas street (i quote leaving out superscripts,
capitalization, but the rest is verbatim):

ann poole (william, william) was born in of, bridgewater, somerset, england
about 1589/1606. [sic 1] Ann died 3 december 1683 in taunton, ma, at 93
years of age.

she married thee times. she married waldron. she married edward waldron_
(Waldron 5 january 1611/12. [sic 2] she married nicholas street [rev.]
1628 in new haven, conn. [sic 3] ....

sic 1: i guess the age difference bothered somone, so they threw in another possible
birth year to make it come out right

sic 2: oops - married at age 5 or 6?

sic 3: hmmmm - and here i thought new haven hadnt been founded until 1638.

it was amazing to see how far this had been perpetrated. in one case, the second
wife of nicholas was given to be mary pole, in another case nicholas has four wives
one of which as ann poole.

appalled - dewayne

[D. Spencer Hines]

People just don't give a tinker's damn and are careless and sloppy ---- so, they continue to propagate the errors.

Even supposedly "educated" people are doing this sort of thing ---- and will continue to do so.

It's one aspect of the Educational Crisis in the U.S., the U.K. ---- and other Nations as well.

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"Dewayne E Perry" <pe...@ece.utexas.com> wrote in message news:3B79A97B...@ece.utexas.com...

[Dewayne E. Perry]

i forgot to mention that i did find one site with documentation of sorts - more
general than detailed, but traceable none the less.

surprise! no mention of ann pole/poole as wife of rev nicholas street.

cheers - dewayne

[David Greene]

I agree with Dewayne Perry on this problem. He cites a very important
article by Donald Lines Jacobus, "John Gilbert of Taunton, Mass., and the
Maternal Ancestry of Rev. Nicholas Street of Taunton, Mass., and New Haven,
Conn.," TAG 27 (1951): 9-11. In the final paragraph of this article, Jacobus
says: "The first wife of Rev. Nicholas Street, the mother of his children,
has always been destitute of a name, even a given name, thanks to the
destruction of the Taunton records. No suggestion as to her identity has yet
been seen which possesses any merit."

Dewayne's summary from Torrey's _New England Marriages_ shows that the major
suggestion that had been made earlier was that Rev. Nicholas Street was a
Poole, obviously one of the suggestions that Jacobus says is without merit.

For some important records about Rev. Nicholas Street and his father and
grandfather, see Robin Bush's recent discoveries detailed in _Search for the
Passengers of the Mary & John_, 25: 61-64, 26: 58-59. Bush found several
records which mention Street's first wife--but still do not provide her with
a first name!

DAVID GREENE

"Christopher Barttels" <cbar...@gohighspeed.com> wrote in message
news:e038a32c.01081...@posting.google.com...

[David Greene]

The second paragraph in my posting below should read:

Dewayne's summary from Torrey's _New England Marriages_ show that the major
earlier suggestion was that Rev. Nicholas Street's first wife was a Poole,

obviously one of the suggestions that Jacobus says is without merit.

"David Greene" <am...@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:9lcj7m$82v$1...@iac5.navix.net...

[zabe...@gmail.com]

Just something else to throw into the mix, I was looking through the parish records of Bridgewater Somerset and I found the baptism of Anne Poole on January 22, 1603. Could she perhaps be the Anne Poole who has been put forward as the wife of Rev. Nicholas Street. No proof of course but an interesting thought.

Isabelle