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Rob Halvorson

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Jul 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/24/96
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I have a question on the parentage of St. Arnoul. I have one source that
shows his father as Ausbert of Mosell and another which shows Bodogisel. Are
these the same people or which is correct? Rob Halvorson

Del Rio, TX

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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The confusion is because various later medieval genealogies, and other
sources give different accounts of his parentage. However 'Ausbert of
Mosell' is an error even in these sources. One mid-9th century
Carolingian genealogy (_Domus Carolingiae genealogia_ I think, MGH, SS
II, p309 fl?) gives St.Arnulf's father as Arnoald/Arnald (fr Arnoul). The
same source says Arnoald's father was Ansbert _ex genere senatorum_. So
*Ansbert* was grandfather of St.Arnulf, not his father.

Another genealogy, this time of the 12th century (Genealogy of 1164,
MGH, SS I5, p381-4), also has Arnoald as father of St.Arnulf, but
furnishes more (unlikely) details. In this Arnulf's wife is named as Doda
daughter of Vibecis Count of Boulogne, and his mother is called Oda,
daughter of Gunzo duke of Suabia (this was followed by Meurisse in his
Histoire des eveques de Metz, I, 85, and so has passed into some older
secondary works).

Finally a third source of the 17th century (Dominicy 1648, SS 13, 248),
gives the father of St.Arnulf as Buotgisus.

I think most reputable scholars have chosen to believe that Arnoald was
the father of St.Arnulf (eg the article on the saint in the Dictionnaire
de le geographie et l'histoire de l'eglise, vol III), but I think the
earliest biography of him (_Vita_), which written in either the late 7th
or early eighth, does not give his parents, but only says he came from a
noble family. Hence the need to find him suitable ancestors. However
there was a historical Arnoald who was Bishop of Metz a decade before
Arnulf (612/3-27/9) was bishop, and it seems that this is currently
the accepted version.

hope this helps


Fred Tiedemann Croese

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Aug 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/7/96
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> hope this helpsHave a look at:

Http://edge.edge.net/~gumby/genweb/Winch/Winch.html

At this site I found information about the ancestry of Saint Arnoul Of Metz which is also a link between
Carolingians and Merovingians.

If this information is correct, there is a direct male descendance from Clodion le Chevelu or Clodius Long
Haired (Father of the namegiving Merovee of the Merovingians) to the Carolingians (Saint Arnoul of Metz).


Clodius Long Haired (b.395)
| m. Basina (b.398)
|
+----------------+---------------+
| |
| |
Adelbert (b.486) Merovee (b.415)
| | m. Verica (b.419)
| |
Wambert (b.511) Childeric I (b.436)
| | m. Basina (b.438-440)
| |
Ausbert (b.536) Clovis I (b.496)
| m. Berthe of Kent=========+ | m. Clotilde (b.475)
| | |
Arnoldus Of Saxony (b.562) | Clotaire I (b.497)
| m. Oda (b.562) | | m. Ingonde (b.499-502)
| | |
Saint Arnoul of Metz (b.582) | Charibert I (b.520)
| | | m. Ingoberge (b.520)
| | |
Ansegise +==Berthe of Kent (b.541)

Very interesting is'nt it? B U T ...

Adelbert was born 91 years after his father (and also 38 years after his fathers death) and 88 years after his
mother. I think we miss at least 3 generations here.

Clotaire I was born 1 year after his father Clovis I. This is caused by a typing error; Clovis I was born in
466 and not in 496.


--
Fred Tiedemann Croese

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