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Ralph Troop

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Aug 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/17/98
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Gentlefolk:

I received the following from the SIMS-L mailing list and since in
involves one of our favorite subjects, Edward III, I thought I would
toss it out for the comments from the list. I have left out the
details and just reported the names. I would be grateful for any
comment, corrections, additions, or outright denials of its accuracy.

Thanks, Ralph


1. Edward III of England
+Philippa of Hainault
2. John of Gaunt
+Katherine de Roet (third wife)
3. Cardinal Henry de Beaufort
+Alice FitzAlan (mistress)
4. Joan Beaufort
+Sir Edward III Stradling
5. Sir Henry Stradling
+Elizabeth Herbert
6. Thomas Stradling
+Janet Mathew
7. Sir Edward IV Stradling
+Elizabeth Arundel
8. Jane Stradling
+Alexander Popham
9. Sir John Popham
+Amy Games
10.Amy Popham
+Thomas Horner, Esq.
11.Amy Horner
+Sir John Symes, Sr.
12.John Symes, Jr.
+Spouse Unknown
13.Thomas Symes, Esq.
+Amy Bridges

ED MANN

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Aug 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/17/98
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Ralph Troop wrote:
>
> Gentlefolk:
>
> I received the following from the SIMS-L mailing list and since in
> involves one of our favorite subjects, Edward III, I thought I would
> toss it out for the comments from the list. I have left out the
> details and just reported the names. I would be grateful for any
> comment, corrections, additions, or outright denials of its accuracy.
>
> Thanks, Ralph
>
>
> 1. Edward III of England
> +Philippa of Hainault
> 2. John of Gaunt
> +Katherine de Roet (third wife)
> 3. Cardinal Henry de Beaufort
> +Alice FitzAlan (mistress)
> 4. Joan Beaufort
> +Sir Edward III Stradling
> 5. Sir Henry Stradling
> +Elizabeth Herbert
> 6. Thomas Stradling
> +Janet Mathew
> 7. Sir Edward IV Stradling
> +Elizabeth Arundel
> 8. Jane Stradling
> +Alexander Popham

I can confirm that much:

Direct Descendants of Edward III of England

1 Edward III of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 ref #: F229:12
+Philippa de Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 ref #: Ä103-34
2 John of Gaunt b: Mar 1339/40 d: 3 Feb 1398/99 ref #: F15:11
*2nd Wife of John of Gaunt:
*3rd Wife of John of Gaunt:
+Katherine Röet b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403
3 Henry Beaufort b: Abt. 1375 d: 11 Apr 1447 ref #: F15:11ii
+Alice FitzAlan b: Abt. 1374 ref #: F106:12i
4 Jane Beaufort b: Abt. 1391 ref #: F15:11iia
+Edward Stradling b: Abt. 1389 d: 1453 ref #: (Ä199A-33)
5 Henry Stradling b: Abt. 1423 d: Abt. 1477 ref #: W27-10
+Elizabeth ref #: (Ä199A-34)
6 Thomas Stradling b: Abt. 1454 d: 8 Sep 1480 ref #: W27-11
+Janet Mathew d: 1485 ref #: (Ä199A-35)
7 Edward Stradling d: 8 May 1535 ref #: W27-12
+Elizabeth Arundell d: 20 Feb 1512/13
8 Jane Stradling ref #: W27-13
+Alexander Popham

Just don't know about the rest.

> 9. Sir John Popham
> +Amy Games
> 10.Amy Popham
> +Thomas Horner, Esq.
> 11.Amy Horner
> +Sir John Symes, Sr.
> 12.John Symes, Jr.
> +Spouse Unknown
> 13.Thomas Symes, Esq.
> +Amy Bridges

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]


John Burfeind

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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Ed,

I see that you have listed Jane Stradling as the daughter of Edward
Stradling and Elizabeth Arundell. If I read your references correctly, this
was written in "W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed."

Does this reference also list the siblings of Jane Stradling?

Your help would be appreciated,

John Burfeind
joh...@execpc.com


ED MANN

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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John Burfeind wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> I see that you have listed Jane Stradling as the daughter of Edward
> Stradling and Elizabeth Arundell. If I read your references correctly, this
> was written in "W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed."
>
> Does this reference also list the siblings of Jane Stradling?

No, but Weis does cite:

_The_Stradling_Correspondence_,
_Written_In_The_Reign_of_Queen_Elizabeth, J. Montgomery Trahearne, among
others, as sources.

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.

W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.

William Addams Reitwiesner

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Aug 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/21/98
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"John Burfeind" <joh...@execpc.com> wrote:

>Ed,
>
>I see that you have listed Jane Stradling as the daughter of Edward
>Stradling and Elizabeth Arundell. If I read your references correctly, this
>was written in "W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed."
>
>Does this reference also list the siblings of Jane Stradling?

I'm not Ed, and that reference generally doesn't list siblings (and
certainly doesn't in this case), but you and Ed can find them listed in
Peter C. Bartrum, *Welsh Genealogies, A.D. 1400-1500* [Aberystwyth:
National Library of Wales, 1983], vol. X, p. 1623 (table "Stradling 3").
Since birth order was generally irrelevant in Wales at that time, Bartrum
places the children in whatever order looks best on the table, and I've
continued in that spirit by listing Jane and her siblings in alphabetical
order:


Sir Edward Stradling m. Elizabeth Arundel. Children:

a. Catherine Stradling m. Sir Thomas Palmer of Sussex
b. Edward Stradling m. Elsbeth Raglan
c. Jane Stradling m. Alexander Popham of Somerset
d. John Stradling, Rector of Neath 1551-1569
e. Robert Stradling m. Denise Llychwr
f. Sir Thomas Stradling m. Catrin Gamage


Elizabeth Arundel was Sir Edward's only wife. He had at least six bastard
sons and ten bastard daughters by at least three different mistresses.
These bastard children and their mothers (when known) are also shown by
Bartrum on table "Stradling 3", but they're Jane's half-siblings, not
siblings.


William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."

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