GATESDEN OF HERTFORDSHIRE
RBodine996
similiar account of the family of Gatesden, of Gatesden, Hertfordshire.
Sources are noted throughout individual entries and others are noted at the
end. Any discussion is welcome.
GENERATION 1
1. ALDULF de GATESDEN. Lord of Gatesden, Hertfordshire. In 1196, Aldulf paid
20s. to avoid service beyond seas and for scutage of his share of the fee of
John de Bidun. Dead in 1225.
Married after 1185 and by 1196 to Ermengard, sister and coheiress of John
de Bidun. She gave to the abbey of Lavendon land called Bruneswude in the
fields of Lathbury, Buckinghamshire. She, her sons John and Richard, and
grandson John (son of John) are named in the 1254 IPM of Maud de Rocheford,
widow of John de Bidun (CIPM, 1: no. 323). Ermengard was a widow in 1225 when
she gave her grandson, William de Gatesden, 1/2 a virgate of land in Lathbury.
She was still living in 1240-1 when she was involved in land dealings in
Lathbury, but was probably dead by 1242-3.
Issue:
3. John de Gatesden.
4. Peter de Gatesden.
5. Richard de Gatesden.
2. ? JOHN de GATESDEN. In 1236, as the King's clerk, he gave 25 marks for
having custody of the land and heirs of John, son of Aldulf de Gatesden, during
the minority of the heirs, together with their marriage. He was keeper of the
queen's wardrobe, guardian of the bishopric of Winchester, envoy abroad of the
king, and sheriff of Surrey and Sussex in 1226-1227 and 1236-1238. The
relationship of this man to Aldulf is unstated. It seems probable that he was
a brother of Aldulf. (HKF, 1: 13)
GENERATION 2
3. JOHN de GATESDEN. Lord of Brickhill, Buckinghamshire. Died 1236 (OGHBE:
63). He is called 'John de Gatesden the elder' and was deceased in the 1254
IPM of Maud de Rocheford.
Married N.N.
Issue:
6. John de Gatesden.
4. PETER de GATESDEN. In 1237-7, Peter de Gatesden, on behalf of his mother
and with Augustin, abbot of Lavendon, levied a fine of a fifth part of the
advowson of the church of St. Andrew, Kirby Bedon. In 1240-1, Peter de
Gatesden, on behalf of Richard de Gatesden, made an agreement with his mother
as to a carucate of land in Lathbury. He was not named in the 1254 IPM and can
be presumed to have died by that time.
5. RICHARD de GATESDEN. In 1232 his mother presented him to the church of
Lathbury. Living 14 Dec 1254 when named as such in the IPM of Maud de
Rocheford.
Married N.N.
7. William de Gatesden.
GENERATION 3
6. JOHN de GATESDEN. He was a minor in 1236. In 1255, as John de Gatesden
'the younger' he was in possession of the purparty of the Bidun inheritance.
He died 25 Nov 1258, being the feast of St. Catherine, 43 Henry III (CIPM, 1:
no. 454, therein called 'the younger'). His IPM records his possessions at the
time of his death as Gatesden town, Hertfordshire; Stanbruge (Stanbridge),
Bedfordshire; the manors of Tratinton with advowson, Demeford, Elnestede with
advowson, and Dedeleng, co. Sussex.
Married to Margery, who in 1259 with Richard de Gatesden gave 60 marks for
custody of the lands lately held by John de Gatesden the younger of the king in
chief (HKF, 3: 340).
Issue:
8. Margaret de Gatesden. Born 22 Jan 1246.
7. WILLIAM de GATESDEN. In 1225 he impleaded his grandmother Ermengarde for a
virgate of land in Lathbury and she gave him 1/2 virgate.
GENERATION 4
8. MARGARET de GATESDEN. Born 22 Jan 1246, being aged 13 on St. Vincent's day
(last), 43 Henry III. She was the sole heir of her father.
She was married to John de Gatesden, called by Cussans in his History of
Hertfordshire, 3: 120, "perhaps a cousin, perhaps a filius terrae who took his
name from the place". Died shortly before 11 Dec 1291 (CIPM, 3: no. 20) in
possession of Cotes, Northamptonshire (which he was holding in 1284, Feudal
Aids, 4: 14); Gatesden, Hertfordshire; Stanbridge, Bedfordshire. In 1269, he
conveyed Lathbury Manor and its advowson to Walter de Gatesden who transferred
both that year to Robert Burnel, who in 1272 bestowed the manor and advowson on
Lavendon Abbey. Between 1310 and 1318, John de Gatesden's daughter Joan and
her husband Richard Chamberlain were involved in prolonged lawsuits with
Lavendon Abbey over Lathbury Manor, but lost the suit in 1321.
Issue:
9. Joan de Gatesden. Born 20 Dec 1268.
GENERATION 5
9. JOAN de GATESDEN. Born 20 Dec 1268, being aged 23 on the eve of St. Thomas
the Apostle, 20 Edward I and being her father's sole heir.
She was married 1285 to Richard Chamberlain, who was holding Gatesden in
1303 and 1314 and conveyed it to their son John Chamberlain and his wife Aubrey
in 1323-4.
ANOTHER GATESDEN FAMILY
1. JOHN de GATESDEN. Died shortly before 10 April 1269, being then, according
to his IPM, in possession of Wollaventon Manor and its advowson and other lands
in co. Sussex (CIPM, 1: no. 706).
Married in or after 1246 to Hawise, daughter of Robert Courtenay and widow
of John de Nevill, to whom Westcott Manor, Buckinghamshire had been granted in
1230 upon her marriage to Nevill. In 1269, the King gave the wardship of 200
marks of John de Gatesden's lands and the marriage of his daughter and heir to
Robert Walerand, saving the dower of Hawise his wife. Hawise died possibly in
1269 (HKF, 3: 340).
Issue:
2. MARGARET de GATESDEN. Soon after 1258 she became the wife of Sir John de
Camoys (born c1247) and her father had given in frank marriage with his said
daughter a moiety of the manor of Lasham, Hampshire. Sir John died 1298,
before 4 June. By this marriage he secured a considerable estate in Sussex.
By a very remarkable document, he transferred her and her goods and chattels to
Sir William Paynel, and by deeds dated 1285 and 1289, demised to him the
greater part of her inheritance.
She was married before July 1301 to Sir William Paynel, and it was in her
right that he was described as of Trotton, which was part of her Gatesden
inheritance. Margaret died shortly before Jan 1311. (CP, 2: 506-Camoys; Early
Yorkshire Charters, 6: 270).
Other References Not Previously Cited
Cussans, John Edwin. History of Hertfordshire. 3 vols. Stephen Austin & Sons,
1870-1881.
HKF. Honors and Knights' Fees, 1: 12-14 (Honor of Bidun); 3: 339-342 (Honor of
Warenne)
Lists and Indexes, 9 (List of Sheriffs): 135
VCH, Bedfordshire, 3: 406 (Stanbridge Manor).
VCH, Buckinghamshire, 4: 114-115 (Westcott Manor).
VCH, Buckinghamshire, 4: 374-375 (Lathbury Manor).
VCH, Hertfordshire, 2: 203 (Gatesden Manor).
VCH, Northamptonshire, 4: 32-33 (Cotes Bidun Manor).
Ronny Bodine
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John Lerwill
have an ascendancy chart for Joseph CHAMBERLAIN and his son Neville
(British Prime Minister at the time of WW2).
As I understand it, Joseph was born at London (later moving to Birmingham),
but that his family's roots were in Gloucestershire.
John Lerwill, London, England
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William Addams Reitwiesner
>With reference to Ronny Bodine's posting on the Chamberlains, does anyone
>have an ascendancy chart for Joseph CHAMBERLAIN and his son Neville
>(British Prime Minister at the time of WW2).
>
>As I understand it, Joseph was born at London (later moving to Birmingham),
>but that his family's roots were in Gloucestershire.
Neville Chamberlain's ancestry has been published, but it's off-topic in
this group, as he didn't live in the time period we're chartered to cover
(AD 500-1600). Might I refer you to soc.genealogy.britain?
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
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remember all this."
William Addams Reitwiesner <wr...@erols.com> wrote in message
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Leo van de Pas
Two wrongs don't make a right. When someone has the temerity, yes, how dare
he, ask a question in the (shock horror) wrong news group, of course, we
are not going to give a straightforward answer, we play games. Teacher
says: Go to the correct classroom! It would have been too simply to tell
where the article was published.
Leo van de Pas
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John Lerwill
>ler...@ibm.net (John Lerwill) wrote:
>
>>With reference to Ronny Bodine's posting on the Chamberlains, does anyone
>>have an ascendancy chart for Joseph CHAMBERLAIN and his son Neville
>>(British Prime Minister at the time of WW2).
>>
>>As I understand it, Joseph was born at London (later moving to Birmingham),
>>but that his family's roots were in Gloucestershire.
>
>Neville Chamberlain's ancestry has been published, but it's off-topic in
>this group, as he didn't live in the time period we're chartered to cover
>(AD 500-1600). Might I refer you to soc.genealogy.britain?
>
>
>William Addams Reitwiesner
>wr...@erols.com
>
Whooops...Sorry!! I did only ask this question of this list as a follow on
from the previous discussion, but many thanks for the pointer...!! I am
actually quite amazed that the topic has already been covered.
John Lerwill
John Lerwill
At 22:57 8/4/99 GMT, wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) wrote:
>ler...@ibm.net (John Lerwill) wrote:
>
>>With reference to Ronny Bodine's posting on the Chamberlains, does anyone
>>have an ascendancy chart for Joseph CHAMBERLAIN and his son Neville
>>(British Prime Minister at the time of WW2).
>>
>>As I understand it, Joseph was born at London (later moving to Birmingham),
>>but that his family's roots were in Gloucestershire.
>
>Neville Chamberlain's ancestry has been published, but it's off-topic in
>this group, as he didn't live in the time period we're chartered to cover
>(AD 500-1600). Might I refer you to soc.genealogy.britain?
>
>
>William Addams Reitwiesner
>wr...@erols.com
>
Having just done a Deja Powersearch on this subject, it turns out that
what's on soc.genealogy.britain is merely a request. However, I shall
correspond with the requestor and see what she has had in direct response.
John Lerwill
Tristan Tornado
it a 9.
Tristan
(oops !! am I in the wrong newsgroup again?)
> >ler...@ibm.net (John Lerwill) wrote:
> >
> >>With reference to Ronny Bodine's posting on the
> Chamberlains, does anyone
> >>have an ascendancy chart for Joseph CHAMBERLAIN
> and his son Neville
> >>(British Prime Minister at the time of WW2).
> >>
> >>As I understand it, Joseph was born at London
> (later moving to Birmingham),
> >>but that his family's roots were in
> Gloucestershire.
> >
> >Neville Chamberlain's ancestry has been published,
> but it's off-topic in
> >this group, as he didn't live in the time period
> we're chartered to cover
> >(AD 500-1600). Might I refer you to
> soc.genealogy.britain?
> >
> >
> >William Addams Reitwiesner
> >wr...@erols.com
> >
> >"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."
> >
> >
>
>
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