Colquhoun-Hamilton-- royal heritage or hoax?
Sarah Shaw Tatounova
Since there has been so much discussion of supposed royal lines extending to
colonial America I hope someone can help me with this problem:
I'm descended, as are most Americans who trace to a Calhoun (Colhoun,
Calhoon, Cahoon) ancestor are, from Rev. Alexander Colhoun, b. @1662, Crosh
House Estate, Co. Tyrone, Ireland and his wife Judith Hamilton, b.@1662.
According to Orval Calhoun, who wrote 4 vols. on American Calhouns (and
variations of the name), both Alexander Colhoun and Judith Hamilton
descended from Princess Mary of Scotland, b. 1452, granddaughter of James I
and Joan Beaufort, and thus a descendant of Edward III and Philippa of Hainault.
The descents he gives are as follows:
Princess Mary m. Thomas Boyd
__ Boyd m. John Colquhoun, b.@1420, Chancellor of the Exchequer
Humphrey Colquhoun, b. @1440 m. Jean (or Helen) Erskine
John Colquhoun, b. @1475 m. Elizabeth (or Margaret) Stuart
Humphrey Colquhoun, b. 1495 m. Helen Graham
John Colquhoun, b. 1515 m. Agnes Boyd
Alexander Colquhoun, XV & XII of Luss, b. 1573 m. Margaret Helen Buchanan
Adam Colquhoun, b. 1601, m. Christian Lindsay
Robert Colquhoun b. 1622, m. Katherine McAuselan (1st cousin)
William Cambell Colhoun b. @1642 m. Catherine McCausland
Alexander Colhoun b. 1662 m. Judith Hamilton
Princess Mary m. 2) James Hamilton, 6th Lord of Cadzow
James Hamilton III, b. 1496, m. Janet Beaton
James Hamilton IV., b. 1515 m. Margaret Douglas
Claude Hamilton, b. 1536 m. Lady Margaret Douglas
George Hamilton, b. @1600 m. ?
James Hamilton b. ? m. Catherine Leslie
Judith Hamilton, b. 1662 m. Alexander Colhoun
I very foolishly took this on faith and was working on a 'royal' web page to
show the descent when a distant cousin sent me the following:
>From _Burke's Irish Family Records_ American Edition, London, 1976?
Leslie (Co. Kerry)
This family is a cadet branch of the LESLIES of Wardis (see Burke's Peerage,
LESLIE of Wardis, Bt) JAMES LESLIE, of Milltown; 4th son of William Leslie,
4th of Wardis, Falconer to King James VI and I (see Burke's Peerage, LESLIE
of Wardis, BT); m Margaret Erksine, dau of the Laird of Pittodrie, and d in
hosp in Aberdeen 1620, leaving issue (with a yr son) COL JAMES LESLIE,
served in King Charles I's Army in Ireland, and in Civil War 1641, m
Isabella, dau (one of 27 children by one wife) of Rev. Alexander Conyngham,
Dean of Raphoe (see Burke's Peerage, CONYNGHAM, M) and had issue, JOHN (Rev)
of whom presently.
* Catherine, m. Rev. James Hamilton, MA, of Montgavelin Castle, Co Donegal,
eldes son of *REV. ANDREW HAMILTON*, Pres of Kilskerry, and had issue. He d
1689. *
That seems to pretty much dispose of the Hamilton royal descent claim.
Then I started inquiring into the supposed descent of the Colhouns from
Princess Mary's daughter by Thomas Boyd and was told by someone on the Boyd
list that she did not have a daughter by that marriage.
Tom Camfield has suggested that Burke's may not be that reliable and said
that I should try Cokayne's "The Complete Peerage." Since I live in the
Czech Republic, however, this is not too accessible :-) so if some kind sole
could please please look this up I would be eternally grateful!
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William Addams Reitwiesner
ss...@terminal.cz (Sarah Shaw Tatounova) wrote:
>Since there has been so much discussion of supposed royal lines extending to
>colonial America I hope someone can help me with this problem:
I'll do what I can. I'll also re-arrange your message (a little bit) for
my purposes while I'm at it.
>Tom Camfield has suggested that Burke's may not be that reliable and said
>that I should try Cokayne's "The Complete Peerage."
While Cokayne is a much better source than Burke's, the place you really
should really be looking for these folks is *Scots Peerage*, edited by
James Balfour Paul, and published in nine volumes between 1904 and 1914.
The citations I provide here are abbreviated "SP".
>I'm descended, as are most Americans who trace to a Calhoun (Colhoun,
>Calhoon, Cahoon) ancestor are, from Rev. Alexander Colhoun, b. @1662, Crosh
>House Estate, Co. Tyrone, Ireland and his wife Judith Hamilton, b.@1662.
>According to Orval Calhoun, who wrote 4 vols. on American Calhouns (and
>variations of the name), both Alexander Colhoun and Judith Hamilton
>descended from Princess Mary of Scotland, b. 1452, granddaughter of James I
>and Joan Beaufort, and thus a descendant of Edward III and Philippa of Hainault.
It's a trivial point, but the use of "Princess" to refer to a daughter of a
King is a relatively late use. Mary was referred to, at that time, as
"Lady Mary".
>The descents he gives are as follows:
>Princess Mary m. Thomas Boyd
He was Earl of Arran
>__ Boyd m. John Colquhoun, b.@1420, Chancellor of the Exchequer
See below for a discussion of a daughter of Mary and Thomas.
>Humphrey Colquhoun, b. @1440 m. Jean (or Helen) Erskine
>John Colquhoun, b. @1475 m. Elizabeth (or Margaret) Stuart
>Humphrey Colquhoun, b. 1495 m. Helen Graham
>John Colquhoun, b. 1515 m. Agnes Boyd
>Alexander Colquhoun, XV & XII of Luss, b. 1573 m. Margaret Helen Buchanan
I don't know if these two had a son named Adam, but their oldest son John
was created a Baronet in 1625. See Cokayne's *Complete Baronetage*, vol.
II, p. 293.
>Adam Colquhoun, b. 1601, m. Christian Lindsay
>Robert Colquhoun b. 1622, m. Katherine McAuselan (1st cousin)
>William Cambell Colhoun b. @1642 m. Catherine McCausland
>Alexander Colhoun b. 1662 m. Judith Hamilton
>
>Princess Mary m. 2) James Hamilton, 6th Lord of Cadzow
He was the feudal Lord of Cadzow, but as far as peerage titles go he was
1st Lord Hamilton.
>James Hamilton III, b. 1496, m. Janet Beaton
He was 1st Earl of Arran (new creation)
>James Hamilton IV., b. 1515 m. Margaret Douglas
He was 2nd Earl of Arran
>Claude Hamilton, b. 1536 m. Lady Margaret Douglas
He was the fourth son of his parents, and was created 1st Lord Paisley.
His oldest son was created 1st Earl of Abercorn.
>George Hamilton, b. @1600 m. ?
See SP I:43 for him. Sir George was the fourth son, and his estates were
Greenlaw in co. Tyrone and Roscrea in co. Tipperary. I don't know about
him being born in or around 1600, as in 1611 he and his wife and family
were living in Derriewoone in a house 62 feet long by 30 feet wide he
himself had built. His only surviving child was a son by his (second?)
wife Lady Mary Butler, and that son was named James.
>James Hamilton b. ? m. Catherine Leslie
Unfortunately this wasn't him, as James Hamilton, the only surviving son of
Sir George Hamilton, died unmarried some time before his (James's) will was
proved, which was on 2 Feb. 1658/9. SP I:43.
>Judith Hamilton, b. 1662 m. Alexander Colhoun
>
>I very foolishly took this on faith and was working on a 'royal' web page to
>show the descent when a distant cousin sent me the following:
>>From _Burke's Irish Family Records_ American Edition, London, 1976?
>Leslie (Co. Kerry)
>This family is a cadet branch of the LESLIES of Wardis (see Burke's Peerage,
>LESLIE of Wardis, Bt) JAMES LESLIE, of Milltown; 4th son of William Leslie,
>4th of Wardis, Falconer to King James VI and I (see Burke's Peerage, LESLIE
>of Wardis, BT); m Margaret Erksine, dau of the Laird of Pittodrie, and d in
>hosp in Aberdeen 1620, leaving issue (with a yr son) COL JAMES LESLIE,
>served in King Charles I's Army in Ireland, and in Civil War 1641, m
>Isabella, dau (one of 27 children by one wife) of Rev. Alexander Conyngham,
>Dean of Raphoe (see Burke's Peerage, CONYNGHAM, M) and had issue, JOHN (Rev)
>of whom presently.
>* Catherine, m. Rev. James Hamilton, MA, of Montgavelin Castle, Co Donegal,
>eldes son of *REV. ANDREW HAMILTON*, Pres of Kilskerry, and had issue. He d
>1689. *
>
>That seems to pretty much dispose of the Hamilton royal descent claim.
>Then I started inquiring into the supposed descent of the Colhouns from
>Princess Mary's daughter by Thomas Boyd and was told by someone on the Boyd
>list that she did not have a daughter by that marriage.
Actually, she did. See SP V:149. The daughter was variously named Grizal
and Margaret, she was born between 1468 and 1473, she married first to
Alexander 4th Lord Forbes (who died without issue in 1491), and second to
David Kennedy, 3rd Lord Kennedy and 1st Earl of Cassillis (who died without
issue by her in 1513). She was living a widow in February 1515/6, and died
some time later without having had any children. The "someone on the Boyd
list" who said that Grizel/Margaret did not exist is wrong, but then again
nobody's descended from her so (as far as trying to show descents from
James I is concerned) it's as if she didn't exist.
>Tom Camfield has suggested that Burke's may not be that reliable and said
>that I should try Cokayne's "The Complete Peerage." Since I live in the
>Czech Republic, however, this is not too accessible :-) so if some kind sole
>could please please look this up I would be eternally grateful!
Hope this helps.
William Addams Reitwiesner
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In article <350b18dc...@news.erols.com>,
the Cassillis family history.
David the third Lord Kennedy had two wives. The first wife was Agnes
Borthwick, daughter of William. Lord Borthwick. He had two children by her.
Gilbert, second Earl of Cassillis, and William Abbot of Crossraguel.
The second wife was Margaret Boyd the widow of Alexander fourth Lord Forbes,
and daughter of Thomas Boyd, Earl of Arran, and niece of James 3rd.
Hope this helps.
D. Cassels
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In article <350b18dc...@news.erols.com>,
wr...@erols.com (William Addams Reitwiesner) wrote:
>
I found this information in "The Scotts Peerage"
It is the chapter on the Cassillis family history.
David the third Lord Kennedy had two wives. The first wife was Agnes
Borthwick, daughter of William. Lord Borthwick. He had two children by her.
Gilbert, second Earl of Cassillis, and William Abbot of Crossraguel.
The second wife was Margaret Boyd the widow of Alexander fourth Lord Forbes,
and daughter of Thomas Boyd, Earl of Arran, and niece of James 3rd.
I hope this helps.