Gateway Ancestors (General)
Leslie M. Mahler
found. (Fantasy connections >abound). With way fewer than 200 known
gateway ancestors out of the many thousands of people >involved in the
Great Migration to New England, it is clear that only a small percentage
of anyone's >lines can get past either (a) the Atlantic or (b) one or
two generations, at most, in England. Is it worth >looking? Sure, if you
go in for that sort of thing (and most of us on this list do) and have a
high >tolerance for failure.
I might point out the fact that a newly discovered colonial descent from
Edward III has just been published in the Jan. issue of NEHGR.
A number of other new royal descents have been discovered recently, such
as the Bernard/ Corderoy/ Ironmonger families of Virginia who descend
from Henry I, and also the descent of Samuel Levis of Pennsylvania from
Edward III, which was published in early 1999.
I know of two colonists who have traceable ancestry going back to the
middle ages, perhaps to nobility, which I haven't yet studied
completely.
Leslie
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Annie Natalelli-Waloszek
Aaron's only son, John m Margaret Coulson, who had 4 sons becoming 4 main branches... & who's quaker cousin Charles Coulson Rich, went out west and, in the dearth of Quakers, became a Mormon Elder & Genealogist, elaborating the basis of our main royals line, which has been worked on, revised, discussed and improved constantly since 1865... my mom and I worked on it some in '63, & later in the 80's & I got back on it when I took over the genealogical flame after her death in 96; she had one book (there are several on just this family's genealogy) & practically no notes left, but I remembered pretty much where she'd gotten the main elements, & was able to reconstitute and considerably develop it, with a little help from my friends.
Strangely enough very little progress had been made over the intervening years, particularly as concerns the origins of the family, reputedly amongst the descendants of Alasdair Carrach, 1st Scion of Keppoch/Ceapach/Coppock, according to Roddy MacDonald of this list. (would be most appreciated, any data on the link, or the perigrinations of one Conor Og Orrell, Irish mercenary sent with friends & allies in command of troops to support the Polish King (was it still then Henry, d'Anjou, favorite son of Catherine de Medici & the French king, but that's another story...)
The earliest Coppock tombstone I ever saw in Ohio, was when I was about 6, was in Salem, Ohio, 1741, of a Mary Coppock who came over as a child on the Welcome 1682, with Penn also, but she's on another branch, from one of the Barts... there were two Barts, as Gateways; they were both cousins, both named Bartholomew, and were both landed by Wm Penn upon arrival in Philadelphia, settling near Crum Creek Pa where Swathmore College now stands and holds detailed maps of the Penn grants, showing their neighboring settlements...
Although some of their children were apparently on the Welcome, they apparently were not, confiding their kids to friends, not appearing on passenger lists, as often, only the number of passengers is listed... Because the Coppocks frequently intermarried & married often with all the daughters of another allied family, these fellows also end up on my tree in several places... the most interesting offshoot of their branches, is a marraige between their descendant Mary Coppock, and an allied family, Marmaduke Coate...
Mary was descended from Moses Coppock, (himself a descendant of one of the Barts) a tobacco farmer from N Carolina who signed petitions to obtain equal land-owning rights for freed mulattos, & left the state, as slavery began to settle in, for slavery was anathema to the Quakers. (He was married to Martha Lester; her parents, Peter Lester and Mary Davis, are our line's connection to Richard Nixon, thence the Brintons, Bagleys, etc...)
Daughter Mary had been kidnapped by indians as a child, during raids in which Moses was killed... raised amongst indians, she apparently had an indian husband who was also killed in fighting between colonists and indians... Marmaduke Coate, on hearing of her, rode out and bought her back as wife, for a horse, bridle, and saddle...
They were Veterans of the Revolutionary War, but as Quakers, could not fight,so they served the nation by bringing supplies and doctoring the wounded. Their descendants married back into our line later on...
The folks in Powys Wales where most Quakers sailed from, said that all the Welsh & most Cheshire Quakers who were gonna go, were gone by 1701... but I have heard of other migrant Coppocks coming over in the mid to late 1700s... they undoubtedly account for those who don't fit on the tree anywhere else; there are a few thousand Coppocks around... Most are in Pa or Ohio, pockets in Oregon, Iowa, Kansas; scattered folks in So Dakota, Texas, Alabama, etc... and me, over here... I guess running away from home is in my genes...
Best way to spot a Gateway ancestor, is to start with the ships' lists... you may not find the ones you're looking for, but you may find plenty of others... I found my Uncle's wife's migrating ancestor aboard the Lamb... Miriam Short's ancestor aboard one of the three ships (the lists were lumped together) going to Jamestown in 1607 with Captain Smith (stints were for 3 years; he hated the manual labor, went home to England and founded a family; his descendant, Miriam, returned with an uncle, and Wm Penn...
Jay Cary mentioned yesterday, Gary Boyd's musings on Gateway ancestors & Royal Descents: "the grand revelation is that probably sixty percent or more of the American people are descended from kings.
Such descent, shared by a majority of Americans with a sizable quantity of colonial ancestry, is usually derived through roughly 350 royally descended immigrants of the 17th and 18th centuries who have been well studied by various American scholars...A large number of these royal descents are adjusted every decade. from Genealogical Thoughts by Gary Boyd Roberts #52,
but I do ramble on, don't I...
Annie
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Lawrence Bouett <lbo...@pacbell.net>
Ą : GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Date : mardi 10 avril 2001 10:22
Objet : Re: Gateway Ancestors (General)
William Addams Reitwiesner wrote:
> Lawrence Bouett <lbo...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> >My question, then, is this: is there any general work (or database) that
> >enumerates the Gateway Ancestors to the American Colonies?
>
> Before I (for one) can answer that, I'd need to know: "Gateway to what?"
Many descendants back to a common Colonial ancestor, who is the 'gateway' to
earlier generations in England (or elsewhere). I'm using a term I've seen and
presuming its meaning.
> Many North American colonial immigrants have fully documented origins in
> England, and with ancestry traced back several generations before them.
> Names I can think of, offhand, include Nathaniel Foote, Henry Sampson, and
> most of the Sherman immigrants.
>
> >I should be grateful for any discussion, on- or off-list, on this issue. I am
> >'stuck' on such people as the Rev. Obadiah Holmes (1606 from Lancashire to
> >Massachusetts); Richard Hartshorn (1642, Leistershire to New Jersey); Thomas
> >Edgerton (1700, Cheshire to New Jersey); Richard Hutchinson (1602,
> >Nottinghamshire to Salem Village); and Nathaniel Putnam (1621, Salem Village),
> >to name a few.
>
> I'm not familiar with these immigrants (you say one of them was in Salem in
> 1602??? I'd like to see the evidence for that :)
No, I meant: Richard Hutchinson, born 1602 in Nottinghamshire, who emigrated to
Salem Village. This is the line that owned the land on which stood the building
that was used (primarily) for the Salem witch trials of 1692/93.
> >On another issue, I do not see much discussion about Spanish/Mexican
> >ancestry. What does one do about 17th Century Spanish/Mexican ancestors,
> >whose own 'Gateway Ancestors' may actually have been 16th, rather than 17th,
> >Century?
>
> Feel free to start such a discussion.
Thanks, but I'm not sure I'd know how to begin--anyway, research on my lines seems
to have ended mid-17th Century, a bit late for this group, I understand.
I emphasize that I am NOT trying to connect with royal or noble lines--I'd simply
like to push back from the generations I have in the Colonies. These are all
people who were supposed to have been born in England.
Lawrence Bouett
Carpenter, Charles
commenting on the likelihood that someone alive today would find a royal
line, but whether a royal or noble line could be found for someone alive and
in North America in 1700. In the former case, it is not surprising that
someone like myself with substantial roots in the Great Migration would be
able to find one or two, out of hundreds of GM immigrant ancestors, that
lead to royalty (another 300 years farther along, to be sure). 570, 600,
whatever the actual number is (including the non-New England colonies), it
is very, very small with relation to the total number of emigrants, and one
should therefore be prepared, in the case of any particular emigrant, for
the much more likely possibility that no such connection can be made.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Cary [mailto:Jay....@dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:09 AM
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Gateway Ancestors (General)
CARP...@pepperlaw.com (Carpenter, Charles) wrote the following:
>Yet more likely, no real connections to nobility or royalty will be
found.
>(Fantasy connections abound). With way fewer than 200 known gateway
>ancestors out of the many thousands of people involved in the Great
>Migration to New England, it is clear that only a small percentage of
>anyone's lines can get past either (a) the Atlantic or (b) one or two
>generations, at most, in England. Is it worth looking? Sure, if you
go in
>for that sort of thing (and most of us on this list do) and have a high
>tolerance for failure.
I had just read Gary Boyd Roberts thoughts on Royal Descents and
wanted to share what he wrote:
"Most families are ordinary, not special, and ethnic intermarriage,
intergenerational conflict and "running away from home" are certainly as
American as the rural or small-town arcadias of Norman Rockwell and
Grandma Moses. Beside these perhaps bittersweet facts, however, is the
grand revelation that probably sixty percent or more of the American
people are descended from kings.
Such descent, shared by a majority of Americans with a sizable quantity
of colonial ancestry, is usually derived through roughly 350 royally
descended immigrants of the 17th and 18th centuries who have been well
studied by various American scholars. In my generation these latter
include David Faris (Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century
Colonists, 2nd ed., NEHGS, 1999), myself (The Royal Descents of 500
Immigrants, GPC, 1993, 2nd ed. scheduled for 2002), Douglas Richardson,
Paul C. Reed, Neil D. Thompson, Brice McAdoo Clagett, etc. A large
number of these royal descents are adjusted every decade. The first
edition of my work included 570 immigrants, in the expectation that 70
might be changed before the second edition. I have since added 80,
deleted fifteen and changed well over 100 -- and have become something
of a magnet or clearinghouse for correspondence about new discoveries in
this field.
from Genealogical Thoughts by Gary Boyd Roberts #52,
http://www.newenglandancestors.org/whatsnewsection/whatsnew_notable_relation
s_detail.asp?key=1086
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