Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Complete Peerage Addition: Cromwell and Cressy
252 views
Skip to first unread message
johnmw...@gmail.com
Mar 28, 2015, 2:30:37 AM3/28/15
to
Dear all,
Complete Peerage, volume 3, 551, states that the grandparents of Ralph de Cromwell who died in 1398 were Ralph de Cromwell (aged 7 in 1299) and his wife Joan de la Mare, with no indication of Joan's parentage. Douglas Richardson also does not identify her parentage in his Magna Carta Ancestry, 2011, p. 568.
Complete Peerage, volume 3, 529-30, has a brief account of Sir Hugh de Cressy of Risegate, Claypole, and Braytoft, who died shortly before 16 January 1347, aged 33, His wife's name is given as Maud, with no further details, except that a footnote explains that she was not the sister of Robert de Paunton as claimed on Raine's Blyth.
I recently came across a document on the TNA website which enables an identification of Joan and Maud as daughters of Geoffrey de la Mare of Maxey, Northamptonshire.
The document, dated in or about 1345, is a petition to the king by Cecily Gerberge and Geoffrey de la Mare, her son:
"The petition states that Ralph and Joan de Croumbewell, John and Mabel de Folvill, and Hugh and Maud de Crescy brought an assize of novel disseisin against Cecily Gerberge and others concerning lands in Lincolnshire which formerly belonged to Geoffrey de la Mare, father of Joan, Mabel and Maud, although they have no right, as Maud is a bastard and Geoffrey had a son, Geoffrey, by Cecily, who was under age at the time of his death; and because he was under age, and the lands held of the Abbot of Peterborough, the Abbot had wardship of him and his lands, and assigned Thurlby to Cecily in dower. But mention of Geoffrey has deliberately been omitted in the writ for the assize, to bar him from his right; and the plaintiffs have also procured that the writ might be arrayed by the Sheriff of Lincolnshire, although the manor is within the liberty of the Abbot of Peterborough, and the Sheriff had orders from the King to leave the matter to his bailiffs; and they have also procured a jury that is biased and not local. It requests a writ to the justices not to hold an assize arrayed by the Sheriff in this way, but to have it arrayed by the Abbot's bailiffs as the King has commanded."
TNA: Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/193/9645 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9295531
VCH Northamptonshire, vol. 2, 503, has a somewhat inaccurate account of Geoffrey de la Mare, the father of Joan, Mabel and Maud based on Joseph Sparke's Peterborough Chronicle published in 1723 (which unfortunately is not online). The chronicle relates that Geoffrey de la Mare "was married three times and having repudiated his third wife Margaret previous to the birth of her infant, a suit was brought after his death by his daughters against the claim of the infant Geoffrey on the grounds of an alleged irregular union between their father and Margaret."
https://books.google.com/books?id=pK0-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA503
As shown in the 1345 petition to the king, the name of Geoffrey's third wife, the mother of his son Geoffrey, was Cecily Gerberge, not Margaret.
I have been able to find some information concerning Sir Geoffrey de la Mare, the father of Joan, Mabel, Maud and Geoffrey:
Sir Geoffrey de la Mare, of Maxey, Northborough and Woodcroft, Northamptonshire, and Thurlby, Lincolnshire. He also held property in Tickencote, Rutland and Walden, Essex. He was probably the son of Peter de la Mare who died in Wales in 1280. VCH Northants says he was the son of another Geoffrey, but this is difficult to reconcile with the ages of his first two daughters who were born around 1300.
In April 1294, he had protection going beyond seas on the king's service with Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford and Essex [1]. On 1 August 1295, he was granted a weekly market and an annual fair in his manors of Maxey, Northborough and Woodcroft and free warren in his demesne lands [2]. In January 1297, he had letters of respite from debt, going to Brabant with Humphrey de Bohun [3]. He was knighted before October 1302 [4]. In April 1303, he had protection setting out for Scotland with Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford and Essex [5]. On 4 March 1310, he had exemption for life from being made sheriff, coroner or other minister of the king [6]. In November 1318, was pardoned as a supporter of Thomas Earl of Lancaster [7]. In 1320 he was imprisoned in the Tower of London [8]. In March 1321, he was accused of being involved with Gilbert de Middleton at the robbing of the cardinals and the taking of the bishop of Durham [9]. On 20 April 1321 he had exemption for life from being put on assizes, juries or recognitions [10]. In June 1324, he was again imprisoned in the Tower of London [11]. On 18 February 1325, he was pardoned for all homicides, robberies, and of his outlawry provided he served in the king's army in Gascony [12]. He died shortly before 6 December 1327 when the escheator was ordered to take his lands into the king's hands [13]. No inquisition appears to have survived.
He is said to have married three times [14]. By his first two wives he had three daughters, Joan, Mabel and Maud and by his third wife Cecily Gerberge, he had a son Geoffrey, born in or before 1324 (of age in 1345) [15]. In 1343-4, his widow Cecily was married to Thomas de Ludlow, when she brought an action of replevin against the Abbot of Peterborough concerning rents in the manor of Thurlby, Lincolnshire [16].
His children:
1. Joan de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's first wife, married Sir Ralph de Cromwell, of Cromwell, Hucknall, etc., born about 1292 (aged 7 in 1299). He died shortly before 15 October 1356.
2. Mabel de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's first wife, married before October 1315 [17], Sir John Folville of Ashby Folville, Leicestershire. In July 1348, John de Folville, knight, quitclaimed to Geoffrey all his rights in lands held by Geoffrey de la Mare, his brother-in-law [18]. He probably died in 1349 and was succeeded by his son, another Sir John Folville who died in 1362 when he was succeeded by his brother Geoffrey.
3. Maud de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's second wife, married, about 1332, Sir Hugh de Cressy, of Risegate, Claypole, and Braytoft. He died shortly before 16 January 1347, aged 33. His widow married Simon Simeon, of Gosberton, Lincolnshire, whom she survived. She died on 9 August 1355 [19].
4. Geoffrey de la Mare, son of Cecily Gerberge was born in or before 1324. He is said to have married a daughter of Geoffrey le Scrope of Masham, royal justice. He appears to have died before 1364, leaving a daughter and heir Margaret who married Sir Robert Thorpe of Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, and steward of the liberties of Peterborough Abbey. They were the parents of Sir Robert Thorpe, chancellor and chief justice of the court of common pleas who died in 1372.
Hopefully this will be useful to someone.
Best regards,
John
References
[1] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward I, vol. 3: 1292-1301 (1895), 69.
[2] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 2, Henry III-Edward I: 1257-1300 (1906), 460.
[3] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: vol. 4, 1296-1302 (1906), 80.
[4] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: vol. 4, 1296-1302 (1906), 602.
[5] Grant S. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary), 1970, 334.
[6] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 1: 1307-1313 (1894), 212.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1903), 232.
[8] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: vol. 3, 1318-1323 (1895), 268.
[9] Arthur E. Middleton, Sir Gilbert de Middleton: And the Part He Took in the Rebellion in the North of England in 1317 (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, 1918), 71.
[10] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1903), 576.
[11] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: vol. 4, 1323-1327 (1898), 125.
[12] Gascon Rolls C61/37
[13] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 71.
[14] R. M. Serjeantson and R. D. Adkins, eds., Victoria County History of Northamptonshire, vol. 2 (London, 1906), 503.
[15] TNA: Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/193/9645.
[16] Luke Owen Pike, ed., Year Books of the Reign of King Edward the Third, Year XVII (London, 1901), 153.
[17] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2: 1313-1317 (1898), 355.
[18] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: vol. 8, 1346-1349 (1905), 521.
[19] Complete Peerage, Vol. 3, 530.
Complete Peerage, volume 3, 551, states that the grandparents of Ralph de Cromwell who died in 1398 were Ralph de Cromwell (aged 7 in 1299) and his wife Joan de la Mare, with no indication of Joan's parentage. Douglas Richardson also does not identify her parentage in his Magna Carta Ancestry, 2011, p. 568.
Complete Peerage, volume 3, 529-30, has a brief account of Sir Hugh de Cressy of Risegate, Claypole, and Braytoft, who died shortly before 16 January 1347, aged 33, His wife's name is given as Maud, with no further details, except that a footnote explains that she was not the sister of Robert de Paunton as claimed on Raine's Blyth.
I recently came across a document on the TNA website which enables an identification of Joan and Maud as daughters of Geoffrey de la Mare of Maxey, Northamptonshire.
The document, dated in or about 1345, is a petition to the king by Cecily Gerberge and Geoffrey de la Mare, her son:
"The petition states that Ralph and Joan de Croumbewell, John and Mabel de Folvill, and Hugh and Maud de Crescy brought an assize of novel disseisin against Cecily Gerberge and others concerning lands in Lincolnshire which formerly belonged to Geoffrey de la Mare, father of Joan, Mabel and Maud, although they have no right, as Maud is a bastard and Geoffrey had a son, Geoffrey, by Cecily, who was under age at the time of his death; and because he was under age, and the lands held of the Abbot of Peterborough, the Abbot had wardship of him and his lands, and assigned Thurlby to Cecily in dower. But mention of Geoffrey has deliberately been omitted in the writ for the assize, to bar him from his right; and the plaintiffs have also procured that the writ might be arrayed by the Sheriff of Lincolnshire, although the manor is within the liberty of the Abbot of Peterborough, and the Sheriff had orders from the King to leave the matter to his bailiffs; and they have also procured a jury that is biased and not local. It requests a writ to the justices not to hold an assize arrayed by the Sheriff in this way, but to have it arrayed by the Abbot's bailiffs as the King has commanded."
TNA: Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/193/9645 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9295531
VCH Northamptonshire, vol. 2, 503, has a somewhat inaccurate account of Geoffrey de la Mare, the father of Joan, Mabel and Maud based on Joseph Sparke's Peterborough Chronicle published in 1723 (which unfortunately is not online). The chronicle relates that Geoffrey de la Mare "was married three times and having repudiated his third wife Margaret previous to the birth of her infant, a suit was brought after his death by his daughters against the claim of the infant Geoffrey on the grounds of an alleged irregular union between their father and Margaret."
https://books.google.com/books?id=pK0-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA503
As shown in the 1345 petition to the king, the name of Geoffrey's third wife, the mother of his son Geoffrey, was Cecily Gerberge, not Margaret.
I have been able to find some information concerning Sir Geoffrey de la Mare, the father of Joan, Mabel, Maud and Geoffrey:
Sir Geoffrey de la Mare, of Maxey, Northborough and Woodcroft, Northamptonshire, and Thurlby, Lincolnshire. He also held property in Tickencote, Rutland and Walden, Essex. He was probably the son of Peter de la Mare who died in Wales in 1280. VCH Northants says he was the son of another Geoffrey, but this is difficult to reconcile with the ages of his first two daughters who were born around 1300.
In April 1294, he had protection going beyond seas on the king's service with Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford and Essex [1]. On 1 August 1295, he was granted a weekly market and an annual fair in his manors of Maxey, Northborough and Woodcroft and free warren in his demesne lands [2]. In January 1297, he had letters of respite from debt, going to Brabant with Humphrey de Bohun [3]. He was knighted before October 1302 [4]. In April 1303, he had protection setting out for Scotland with Humphrey de Bohun, earl of Hereford and Essex [5]. On 4 March 1310, he had exemption for life from being made sheriff, coroner or other minister of the king [6]. In November 1318, was pardoned as a supporter of Thomas Earl of Lancaster [7]. In 1320 he was imprisoned in the Tower of London [8]. In March 1321, he was accused of being involved with Gilbert de Middleton at the robbing of the cardinals and the taking of the bishop of Durham [9]. On 20 April 1321 he had exemption for life from being put on assizes, juries or recognitions [10]. In June 1324, he was again imprisoned in the Tower of London [11]. On 18 February 1325, he was pardoned for all homicides, robberies, and of his outlawry provided he served in the king's army in Gascony [12]. He died shortly before 6 December 1327 when the escheator was ordered to take his lands into the king's hands [13]. No inquisition appears to have survived.
He is said to have married three times [14]. By his first two wives he had three daughters, Joan, Mabel and Maud and by his third wife Cecily Gerberge, he had a son Geoffrey, born in or before 1324 (of age in 1345) [15]. In 1343-4, his widow Cecily was married to Thomas de Ludlow, when she brought an action of replevin against the Abbot of Peterborough concerning rents in the manor of Thurlby, Lincolnshire [16].
His children:
1. Joan de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's first wife, married Sir Ralph de Cromwell, of Cromwell, Hucknall, etc., born about 1292 (aged 7 in 1299). He died shortly before 15 October 1356.
2. Mabel de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's first wife, married before October 1315 [17], Sir John Folville of Ashby Folville, Leicestershire. In July 1348, John de Folville, knight, quitclaimed to Geoffrey all his rights in lands held by Geoffrey de la Mare, his brother-in-law [18]. He probably died in 1349 and was succeeded by his son, another Sir John Folville who died in 1362 when he was succeeded by his brother Geoffrey.
3. Maud de la Mare, probably daughter of Geoffrey's second wife, married, about 1332, Sir Hugh de Cressy, of Risegate, Claypole, and Braytoft. He died shortly before 16 January 1347, aged 33. His widow married Simon Simeon, of Gosberton, Lincolnshire, whom she survived. She died on 9 August 1355 [19].
4. Geoffrey de la Mare, son of Cecily Gerberge was born in or before 1324. He is said to have married a daughter of Geoffrey le Scrope of Masham, royal justice. He appears to have died before 1364, leaving a daughter and heir Margaret who married Sir Robert Thorpe of Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, and steward of the liberties of Peterborough Abbey. They were the parents of Sir Robert Thorpe, chancellor and chief justice of the court of common pleas who died in 1372.
Hopefully this will be useful to someone.
Best regards,
John
References
[1] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward I, vol. 3: 1292-1301 (1895), 69.
[2] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 2, Henry III-Edward I: 1257-1300 (1906), 460.
[3] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: vol. 4, 1296-1302 (1906), 80.
[4] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: vol. 4, 1296-1302 (1906), 602.
[5] Grant S. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary), 1970, 334.
[6] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 1: 1307-1313 (1894), 212.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1903), 232.
[8] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: vol. 3, 1318-1323 (1895), 268.
[9] Arthur E. Middleton, Sir Gilbert de Middleton: And the Part He Took in the Rebellion in the North of England in 1317 (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, 1918), 71.
[10] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1903), 576.
[11] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: vol. 4, 1323-1327 (1898), 125.
[12] Gascon Rolls C61/37
[13] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 71.
[14] R. M. Serjeantson and R. D. Adkins, eds., Victoria County History of Northamptonshire, vol. 2 (London, 1906), 503.
[15] TNA: Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/193/9645.
[16] Luke Owen Pike, ed., Year Books of the Reign of King Edward the Third, Year XVII (London, 1901), 153.
[17] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2: 1313-1317 (1898), 355.
[18] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: vol. 8, 1346-1349 (1905), 521.
[19] Complete Peerage, Vol. 3, 530.
Nancy Piccirilli via
Mar 28, 2015, 7:55:44 PM3/28/15
to gen-medieval
Hi John,
Thank you for your post. It is very useful to me as I descend from both
Cromwell and Cressy.
Nancy
Thank you for your post. It is very useful to me as I descend from both
Cromwell and Cressy.
Nancy
johnmw...@gmail.com
Mar 29, 2015, 1:26:40 AM3/29/15
to
On Saturday, 28 March 2015 13:30:37 UTC+7, johnmw...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear all,
<snip>
4. Geoffrey de la Mare, son of Cecily Gerberge was born in or before 1324. He is said to have married a daughter of Geoffrey le Scrope of Masham, royal justice. He appears to have died before 1364, leaving a daughter and heir Margaret who married Sir Robert Thorpe of Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, and steward of the liberties of Peterborough Abbey. They were the parents of Sir Robert Thorpe, chancellor and chief justice of the court of common pleas who died in 1372.
Please ignore this last part of my post, which was written without looking too closely into the dates of the two Robert Thorpes, father and son. Having now looked at the entry for Sir Robert Thorpe, who died in 1372, in Complete Peerage I realise that what I suggested concerning his marriage with Margaret daughter of Geoffrey de la Mare is chronologically impossible.
What may just be possible chronologically is that Margaret, wife of the first Robert Thorpe was a daughter of Sir Geoffrey de la Mare and his third wife Cecily Gerberge, and sister of Sir Geoffrey de la Mare. There is absolutely no proof of this, but it may explain how the de la Mare properties in Maxey and elsewhere came into the possession of the Thorpe family.
24 March 1373, Licence for John Knyvet, knight, and Richard Treton and John de Herlaston, clerks, and John de Bretton, to found a chantry of three chaplains, of whom one shall be warden or master of the chantry, in Helpeston church, to celebrate divine service daily for the good estate of the king, for his soul when he shall have been taken from this world, and for the souls of Isabel, his
mother, and Philippa, his consort, late queens of England, Robert de Thorpe, 'chivaler,' late the chancellor, William de Thorpe, his brother, Robert de Thorpe, knight, his father, and Margaret, his wife, mother of the said Robert and William, and for the soul of Geoffrey de la Mare, 'chivaler,' and to assign to the said warden and chaplains in mortmain an acre of land in Helpeston and the advowson of the church of Helpeston, which are not held of the king. Licence, also, for the warden and chaplains to appropriate the church.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 15, 270.
Regards,
John
> Dear all,
<snip>
4. Geoffrey de la Mare, son of Cecily Gerberge was born in or before 1324. He is said to have married a daughter of Geoffrey le Scrope of Masham, royal justice. He appears to have died before 1364, leaving a daughter and heir Margaret who married Sir Robert Thorpe of Orton Waterville, Huntingdonshire, and steward of the liberties of Peterborough Abbey. They were the parents of Sir Robert Thorpe, chancellor and chief justice of the court of common pleas who died in 1372.
What may just be possible chronologically is that Margaret, wife of the first Robert Thorpe was a daughter of Sir Geoffrey de la Mare and his third wife Cecily Gerberge, and sister of Sir Geoffrey de la Mare. There is absolutely no proof of this, but it may explain how the de la Mare properties in Maxey and elsewhere came into the possession of the Thorpe family.
24 March 1373, Licence for John Knyvet, knight, and Richard Treton and John de Herlaston, clerks, and John de Bretton, to found a chantry of three chaplains, of whom one shall be warden or master of the chantry, in Helpeston church, to celebrate divine service daily for the good estate of the king, for his soul when he shall have been taken from this world, and for the souls of Isabel, his
mother, and Philippa, his consort, late queens of England, Robert de Thorpe, 'chivaler,' late the chancellor, William de Thorpe, his brother, Robert de Thorpe, knight, his father, and Margaret, his wife, mother of the said Robert and William, and for the soul of Geoffrey de la Mare, 'chivaler,' and to assign to the said warden and chaplains in mortmain an acre of land in Helpeston and the advowson of the church of Helpeston, which are not held of the king. Licence, also, for the warden and chaplains to appropriate the church.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 15, 270.
Regards,
John
rbe...@fernside.co.nz
Mar 29, 2015, 5:33:58 AM3/29/15
to
Thanks for this interesting post, John.
I can offer a few more details into the disputed inheritance and Geoffrey's ancestry.
In 1346-48 Henry of Pytchley, a monk at Peterborough, compiled a register of the abbey holdings from which there is an account of the disputed inheritance. The following is a précis.
Geoffrey de la Mare married three wives. From the first he had two sons, Geoffrey and Brian, and two daughters, Joan and Mabel. His second wife had a daughter named Maud, afterwards wife of Hugh de Cressy. However, because it was said that his son, Geoffrey, had previously had a pre contract with his second wife and had known her carnally, Geoffrey senior procured a divorce through the archdeacon of Essex. Afterwards Geoffrey junior and Brian died during the lifetime of their father. He married a third time, Cecily, who bore him another son named Geoffrey, posthumously. In 1345 the daughters and their husbands brought a suit for the de la Mare inheritance claiming that there could not have been a divorce because the second wife was mad so she could not authorise a deed of proxy, therefore Geoffrey was illegitimate. In the fine that ensued Hugh de Cressy and Maud recognised that Maxey and other tenements were the right of Geoffrey and quitclaimed their interest in them to him for 200 pounds.
[W T Mellows (ed.) Henry of Pytchley's Book of Fees (Northamptonshire Record Society, 1927), p.35-40.]
Geoffrey senior's ancestry can be gleaned from a plea in the Court of Common Pleas in the Michaelmas term of 1294 of Geoffrey de la Mare against the abbot of Peterborough claiming his right to the office of constable as held by his predecessors. Geoffrey gave the following descent from his great grandfather Brian de la Mare, from whom it descended to Geoffrey as his son and heir. From Geoffrey it descended to Brian his son and heir. Brian died without issue and it descended to Peter his brother and heir. Peter died without issue so it descended to his brother and heir Ralph. Ralph died without issue so it descended to Geoffrey his brother and heir. Geoffrey died without issue so it descended to Peter his brother and heir (evidently there were two brothers named Peter in the family). From Peter it descended to his son and heir Geoffrey, the plaintiff.
In the ensuing quitclaim of 1296 Geoffrey describes himself as "Galfridus de la Mare miles filius domini Petri de la Mare in Makeseye" confirming this paternity.
[Sandra Raban (ed.) The White Book of Peterborough (Northamptonshire Record Society, 2001), pp.1-2.
In 1358 Geoffrey de la Mare, the son, transferred his moiety of the manor of Maxey to Sir Robert de Thorpe who acquired a number of knights fees held of Peterborough abbey of which he was custodian of the liberty. It seems unlikely there was a marriage between the two families.
Best Wishes
Rosie
I can offer a few more details into the disputed inheritance and Geoffrey's ancestry.
In 1346-48 Henry of Pytchley, a monk at Peterborough, compiled a register of the abbey holdings from which there is an account of the disputed inheritance. The following is a précis.
Geoffrey de la Mare married three wives. From the first he had two sons, Geoffrey and Brian, and two daughters, Joan and Mabel. His second wife had a daughter named Maud, afterwards wife of Hugh de Cressy. However, because it was said that his son, Geoffrey, had previously had a pre contract with his second wife and had known her carnally, Geoffrey senior procured a divorce through the archdeacon of Essex. Afterwards Geoffrey junior and Brian died during the lifetime of their father. He married a third time, Cecily, who bore him another son named Geoffrey, posthumously. In 1345 the daughters and their husbands brought a suit for the de la Mare inheritance claiming that there could not have been a divorce because the second wife was mad so she could not authorise a deed of proxy, therefore Geoffrey was illegitimate. In the fine that ensued Hugh de Cressy and Maud recognised that Maxey and other tenements were the right of Geoffrey and quitclaimed their interest in them to him for 200 pounds.
[W T Mellows (ed.) Henry of Pytchley's Book of Fees (Northamptonshire Record Society, 1927), p.35-40.]
Geoffrey senior's ancestry can be gleaned from a plea in the Court of Common Pleas in the Michaelmas term of 1294 of Geoffrey de la Mare against the abbot of Peterborough claiming his right to the office of constable as held by his predecessors. Geoffrey gave the following descent from his great grandfather Brian de la Mare, from whom it descended to Geoffrey as his son and heir. From Geoffrey it descended to Brian his son and heir. Brian died without issue and it descended to Peter his brother and heir. Peter died without issue so it descended to his brother and heir Ralph. Ralph died without issue so it descended to Geoffrey his brother and heir. Geoffrey died without issue so it descended to Peter his brother and heir (evidently there were two brothers named Peter in the family). From Peter it descended to his son and heir Geoffrey, the plaintiff.
In the ensuing quitclaim of 1296 Geoffrey describes himself as "Galfridus de la Mare miles filius domini Petri de la Mare in Makeseye" confirming this paternity.
[Sandra Raban (ed.) The White Book of Peterborough (Northamptonshire Record Society, 2001), pp.1-2.
In 1358 Geoffrey de la Mare, the son, transferred his moiety of the manor of Maxey to Sir Robert de Thorpe who acquired a number of knights fees held of Peterborough abbey of which he was custodian of the liberty. It seems unlikely there was a marriage between the two families.
Best Wishes
Rosie
johnmw...@gmail.com
Mar 29, 2015, 9:33:20 AM3/29/15
to
Dear Rosie,
Thank you very much for the extract from Henry Pytchley's Book of Fees concerning the three wives of Geoffrey de la Mare. It certainly sounds more accurate than Joseph Sparke's Peterborough Chronicle which is quoted in VCH Northants.
I have been looking for further contemporary records of the ancestors of Geoffrey de la Mare but they are few and far between until we come to his father, Sir Peter de la Mare, who was married to a lady called Christian.
Sir Peter de la Mare, the father of Geoffrey drowned in the Menai Strait on 6 November 1282, along with with several hundred other English soldiers fighting against the Welsh. Following his death, the custody of his two young sons, Geoffrey and Peter was disputed between the abbot of Peterborough and Mabel, lady of Ketton, Rutland and her son Ivo de Kenton [1]. Exactly what the connection was between Mabel and the de la Mares is not clear, but Peter de la Mare must have held land from Mabel. Mabel is a bit of a mystery. Her first husband was Robert de Kenton of Kenton, Suffolk who died in or before 1249. In 1250 Mabel was in dispute with Bartholomew de Crek and William le Rus who both claimed the custody of Ivo the son and heir of Robert de Kenton [2]. Mabel married secondly about 1253, Ralph de Greynham (Greenham) of Ketton, Rutland. In November 1266, Ralph and Mabel and the heirs of their bodies, were enfeoffed with the manor of Ketton, by Eble de Montz [3]. At the time of her dispute with the Abbot of Peterborough, Mabel was the widow of Nicholas de Weston of Weston, Northamptonshire. In 1283, the abbot sold the wardship of Geoffrey and his brother to to Geoffrey de Southorpe and Rose his wife for 200 marks and in 1284, Mabel purchased the maritagium of Geoffrey and his brother from the abbot for 110 marks [4].
The first wife of Geoffrey de la Mare was possibly a daughter of Mabel de Kenton. Perhaps a daughter of Ralph de Greenham, her second husband. This is just conjecture of course.
Regards,
John
1. Thomas Stapleton, ed., Chronicron Petroburgense, Camden Society (London, 1849), 61.
2. Curia Regis Rolls, vol. 19: 33-34 Henry III: 1249-1250, 2002, 401.
3. Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 3, Edward I, Edward II: 1300-1326 (1908), 311.
4. Thomas Stapleton, ed., Chronicron Petroburgense, Camden Society (London, 1849), 72-7.
Thank you very much for the extract from Henry Pytchley's Book of Fees concerning the three wives of Geoffrey de la Mare. It certainly sounds more accurate than Joseph Sparke's Peterborough Chronicle which is quoted in VCH Northants.
I have been looking for further contemporary records of the ancestors of Geoffrey de la Mare but they are few and far between until we come to his father, Sir Peter de la Mare, who was married to a lady called Christian.
Sir Peter de la Mare, the father of Geoffrey drowned in the Menai Strait on 6 November 1282, along with with several hundred other English soldiers fighting against the Welsh. Following his death, the custody of his two young sons, Geoffrey and Peter was disputed between the abbot of Peterborough and Mabel, lady of Ketton, Rutland and her son Ivo de Kenton [1]. Exactly what the connection was between Mabel and the de la Mares is not clear, but Peter de la Mare must have held land from Mabel. Mabel is a bit of a mystery. Her first husband was Robert de Kenton of Kenton, Suffolk who died in or before 1249. In 1250 Mabel was in dispute with Bartholomew de Crek and William le Rus who both claimed the custody of Ivo the son and heir of Robert de Kenton [2]. Mabel married secondly about 1253, Ralph de Greynham (Greenham) of Ketton, Rutland. In November 1266, Ralph and Mabel and the heirs of their bodies, were enfeoffed with the manor of Ketton, by Eble de Montz [3]. At the time of her dispute with the Abbot of Peterborough, Mabel was the widow of Nicholas de Weston of Weston, Northamptonshire. In 1283, the abbot sold the wardship of Geoffrey and his brother to to Geoffrey de Southorpe and Rose his wife for 200 marks and in 1284, Mabel purchased the maritagium of Geoffrey and his brother from the abbot for 110 marks [4].
The first wife of Geoffrey de la Mare was possibly a daughter of Mabel de Kenton. Perhaps a daughter of Ralph de Greenham, her second husband. This is just conjecture of course.
Regards,
John
1. Thomas Stapleton, ed., Chronicron Petroburgense, Camden Society (London, 1849), 61.
2. Curia Regis Rolls, vol. 19: 33-34 Henry III: 1249-1250, 2002, 401.
3. Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 3, Edward I, Edward II: 1300-1326 (1908), 311.
4. Thomas Stapleton, ed., Chronicron Petroburgense, Camden Society (London, 1849), 72-7.
0 new messages