Lingen/Lyngane - Cheyne line [14th c.] from TG [1986-7]
Paul Davis
The correction in Ancestral Roots [7th ed., Weis & Sheppard,
1992] to line 56 is misleading. This correction is based on an
article by Charles M. Hansen [The Genealogist, v#7-8, 1986-7]
which I have consulted at the Sutro Library [call # CS42G482] in
response to a question by <minnma...@yahoo.com> entitled
"Lingen of Lingen", 2002 Feb. 03.
A quick glance at AR would lead one to concluded that it is
still accepted that Sir Ralph Lingen, M.P. 1374, 1382, married a
Margery de Pembrugge, daughter of Fulke de Pembrugge and
Matilda, but that the Isabel Lingen who married three times,
including to Sir John Ludlow, was not their daughter.
Actually, there is no reason to believe a Margery de
Pembrugge ever existed. The Ralph Lingen in question married a
Margery Cheyne, and they were the parents of the Isabel Lingen
in question.
The relevant text in the article by Hansen appears on pages
65 - 68, and the footnotes for this text are on pages 119 - 122.
The history of our knowledge of this line appears to be as
follows. It has been known all along that the wife of this Sir
Ralph Lingen was named Margeria. A published chart, for
compactness, had her listed below a Pembrugge family. A
misreading of this chart led to the conclusion she was a member
of this family. Hansen found that she could not be a member of
the Pembrugge family. The journal editor, upon seeing his
article, found evidence what family she really belonged to.
Portions of Hansen's footnote 694 on pages 121-2 are worth
quoting: "the Editor called my attention to an entry in
Wrottesley, Pedigrees, note 632, 13:34 (1897). This reference,
citing De Banco, Mich. 3 Richard II [1379], Shropshire, records
that Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and Marjory, his wife, and Laurence
Hauberk and Margaret, his wife, sued Richard, Earl of Arundel
for the manor of Bukenhulle. The annexed pedigree shows Roger
de Cheyne, living 2 Edward III [1328/9], husband of Margery, by
whom he was father of Roger, who married Isolda, by whom he was
father of Marjory, wife of Ralph Lyngeyn, Kt., and of Margaret,
wife of Laurence Hauberk. As Ralph Lyngane, named as M.P. of
co. Hereford in 1373, was son of John, and as the wife of his
son Ralph is known to be Jane, daughter of John Russell, Morris,
note 612, 4:319, it is clear that Marjory, daughter of Roger and
Isolda de Cheyne, is the same person as Margeria wife of Ralph
Lyngane and mother of Isabel."
It would appear that all references to "Marjory de Pembrugge"
as the mother of children of Ralph Lingen should be
reinterpreted as referring to Marjory de Cheyne.
I wonder if anyone might know more about the Roger de Cheyne
who heads this pedigree?
I wonder if anyone might know whether the Richard Lingen
whose daughter Margaret married Thomas Downton is the same
person as the Richard Lingen reported in the IGI to be a son of
Ralph Lingen and Jane Russell?
I believe this matter has been referred to before in brief in
this group, but I was unable to quickly identify the specific
message.
- PKD [Paul K Davis - paulk...@earthlink.net]