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Generation No. 1
1. Henry I, King of England, born Abt. Sep-1068 in Selby, Yorkshire, ENG;
died 1-Dec-1135 in St. Denis-le-Fermont, near Gisors. He was the son of 2.
William the Conqueror and 3. Matilda of Flanders. He had an affair with (1)
Sybil Corbet. She was the daughter of Robert Corbet. He married (2) Matilda
of Scotland. She was the daughter of Malcolm III, Ceann-Mor, King of Scotland
and The Saint Margaret. He had an affair with (3) Daughter of Caen. She was
the daughter of Robert of Caen. He had an affair with (4) Edith of Greystoke.
He had an affair with (5) Ansfride. He had an affair with (6) Nest verch Rhys
of Wales. She was the daughter of Rhys ap Tewdr Mawr and Gwladus verch
Rhiwallon. He had an affair with (7) Edith. He had an affair with (8)
Maud/Matilda de Flanders Bef. 1118. He married (9) Adeliza de Louvaine
Jan-1120/21. She was the daughter of Godfrey I de Brabant and Ida de Namur.

Notes for Henry I, King of England:
Duke of Normandy 1100-1135, buried in Reading Abbey
Notes for Sybil Corbet:
Not married to Henry I. Lady of Alcester, Pontesbury, & Woodcote.
Notes for Matilda of Scotland:
Wife of Henry I, buried in Westminster Abbey, London, ENG.
Notes for Adeliza de Louvaine:
One might argue it is possible that the second Earl was not her son, but
William and the Queen dowager definitely had a child. CP 5:157, shows that
their daughter Alice/Adelise married John, Count of Eu, Lord of Hastings, and
cites the following charter from the Cartulary of Robertsbridge:
Ego Aliz Comitissa Augi concessi ... pro anima Willelmi Comitis Arundell’
patris mei et Aliz Regine matris mee et pro anima domini mei J. Comitis Augi
et Godefridi fratris mei ... et pro salute anime mee et omnium antecessorum et
successorum ....
She calls Aliz the Queen her mother (interesting wording concerning how she
addressed her husband). So, unless this is a case of immaculate deception,
there were children, actually quite a few, depending on the account you
believe (perhaps you meant she had no chidren by Henry I, which is true, but
that
would be the aged king’s fault, not the fault of his young bride, who was
younger than the King’s daughter, the Empress Matilda).
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Adeliza was the daughter of Godfrey of Louvain, duke of Lower Lotharingia and
became, in her mid- to late teens, the second wife of Henry I in January of
1121, about three years after the death of Henry’s first vafe Matilda. Adeliza
had no children by Henry during the 15 years as his wife but had seven by her
second husband, William d’Albini. Henry’s need for a wife in 1120 was made
urgent by the death of his son and heir William in the White Ship disaster.
Most likely in 1138, three years after the death of Henry I, Adeliza married
William d’Albini pincerna, son of the butler of first Henry and then Stephen.
William d’Albini pincerna senior had solidly supported Stephen, as did William
d’Albini pincerna, the younger until 1139. ‘Their court was at Arundel (also
refered to as the rape of Arundel).
By November 1139 the elder Wiliam was deceased and the younger William was
earl of Lincoln, created by Stephen. (the editors of Regesta, Vol. III
suggest the elder was dead by June 1139). Regesta, Vol. III show William as
a frequent attestor for Stephen between 1135 and November, 1139.
Adeliza was an active monastic patron following Henry I’s death. Her gifts
were to Waltham Abbey (early Charters of Waltham Abbey), Reading Abbey
(Reading Abbey Cartularies), the monks of St-Vincents, Knights Templars,
Waverly Abbey and others. The only surviving Pipe Roll from Henry’s reign
indicates that in 1130 Adeliza held land in Oxfordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire,
Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Lincolnshire, Berkshire, Gloucestershire
(Berkeley), London, Middlesex and Devon.
William d’Albini attended Stephen’s Christmas court in 1141 and attested as
earl of Sussex for the flrst time ... and confirming Arundel to him in
perpetuity.
Adeliza retired to the monasteery of Affligem (favored by her father and
brothers) shortly before her death in 1151. Another article has suggested
that Adeliza, as a child, was educated at Affligem.
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As there is an interest in the person of Adeliza of Louvain and her second
husband, I would like to post the brief biographical notes I have on them.
William d’Aubigny was known as "William of The Strong Hand". An amusing legend
accounts for the Albini arms being a lion rampant. This legend told of a joust
held in Paris at which Albini behaved so bravely that the Queen Dowager of
France sought him in marriage. He refused, saying he had already
given his word to the Queen-Dowager of England. The French Queen in revenge
inveigled him into a cave in her garden where a lion had been placed, but
William saved himself from being torn to pieces by covering his arm with his
cloak and thrusting his arm into the beast’s mouth and pulling out its
tongue.
Adeliza of Louvain had the Castle and Honour of Arundel settled on her as her
dowry by King Henry I of England, her first husband. He had married her after
the disaster of "The White Ship" when the king’s only legitimate son was
drowned, leaving him with his only legitimate daughter, the Empress
Matilda. Sadly, during the fourteen years till the king’s death, no children
were born.
She remained a widow for about three years and then, in 1138, married William
d’Aubigny, or de Albini, who then first became known as Earl of Lincoln, then
Earl of Chichester, only much later as Earl of Arundel. Several children were
born from this marriage.
The Queen Dowager retired in 1150 to a nunnery at Afflighem, in South Brabant,
where she died and was buried on 23 April 1151, aged about forty-eight. [Leo
van de Pas]

Adeliza’s failure to bear Henry I a child during the 14 years of their
marriage (1121-35) is indeed puzzling, given the number of children both
legitimate and illegitimate he had previously sired, and given the fact that
after her second marriage, at the age of about 35, she went on to produce 7
children. First and foremost we should remember that Henry and Adeliza
married in 1121, when he was in his mid-fifties, a goodly age in that time.
It appears from what little we can surmise about the birth
dates of his illegitimate and legitimate children that the birth rate among
them had already tapered off quite strikingly by 1120, and it’s quite possible
Henry was no longer quite as successful in reproductive mode as he had once
been. Furthermore, I know of no historian who has stated that Henry and
Adeliza ever became particularly close or devoted to each other, certainly no
more so than Henry had been with his first wife the good Queen Edith-Matilda.
If his marriage to Adeliza failed on that very basic level, her childlessness
by him would not be quite so surpsising.
A dear friend of mine who is presently preparing the first scholarly biography
of Adeliza’s predecessor Edith-Matilda has opined, though not in print so far,
that Henry perhaps was not terribly serious about fathering another child,
but always expected, or at least hoped, that his legitimate daughter Matilda
(the Empress) would succeed him. This was because he truly wanted the old
Anglo-Saxon royal blood, which Matilda had through her mother, to return to
the English throne. Certainly there is plenty of evidence that
one of the reasons Henry usually cited to justify her succession to the throne
when, in the last years of his life, he repeatedly got his barons to swear
allegiance to Matilda as his heir, was that she carried the blood of the Old
English kings as well as that of the Norman conquerors.
Incidentally, as one example of the points of interest we can gather from
carefully studying the lives of royal women in the medieval period: if
Adeliza married William d’Aubigny at 35 and had 7 children, she was very
obviously bearing them well after the age of 40. Eleanor of Aquitaine was
certainly past 40 when her last child John was born, perhaps as much as 45.
King John’s widow Isabella of Angouleme took a second husband, Hugh de
Lusignan, at 33 and had 9 more children. Eleanor of Castile was 42 or 43 when
Edward of Caernarfon arrived. Philippa of Hainaut is usually said to have
been born ca 1314, but I have seen one piece of evidence that would put her
birth (by her own mother’s account) as early as 1309--meaning Philippa was 45
or 46 when her last child Thomas was born. Of course this confirms that
medieval society had no effective means of birth control except Lent, Advent
and menopause; but it also shows us that women could, even then, survive
numerous and frequent childbirths at remarkable ages. [John Parsons]
Children of Henry and Sybil Corbet are:
i. Sybil.
ii. Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall
iii. William.
iv. Rohese.
v. Gundred.
vi. Constance, married Roscelin de Maine.

Children of Henry and Matilda are:
i. Matilda of England, born 7-Feb-1101/02 in Winchester (Hants), ENG; died
10-Sep-1167 in Notre-Dame des Pres, Rouen, FRA; married (1) Henry V, Emperor
of Rome Bef. 1125; married (2) Geoffrey V Plantagenet 22-May-1127 in Les Mans
Cathedral, Sarthe, FRA.

Notes for Matilda of England:
Henry made the barons recognize "the Empress" as his heir (1126, 1131, and
1133), but when he died Stephen ignored her claim to rule England by
hereditary right. The Normans preferred his chivalrous geniality to her
haughtiness and they disliked the House of Anjou as much as they did the House
of Blois, into which Stephen’s mother, the Conqueror’s daughter Adela, had
married. The Empress appealed to the Pope in vain (1136) and Archbishop
Thurstan of York defeated her uncle and champion, David I., King of Scotland
(1084-1153) at the Battle of the Standard (1138); but at last she landed in
England. Geoffrey was the original Plantagenet, so named by his companions for
the broom corn he wore on his person.
Notes for Henry V, Emperor of Rome:
aka Heinrich V Deutscher König, Römischer Kaiser
Notes for Geoffrey V Plantagenet:
10th Count of Anjou and Maine, Duke of Normandy, having won the Duchy from
Stephen, son of Fulk V. the Younger, 9th Count of Anjou, King of Jerusalem,
and his wife, Ermengarde. It is through Geoffrey that the Plantagenet line
from France was brought into the British royalty. After Geoffrey’s death
Matilda lived in Normandy, charitable and respected. Matilda died in 1167.
Geoffrey was succeeded by his eldest son, Henry.
ii. William the Atheling, born 1103; died 1120 when he drowned in the White
Ship.

Child of Henry and Daughter of Caen is:
i. Robert de Caen, born 1090; died 31-Oct-1147 in Bristol Castle, ENG; married
Mabel FitzHamon.

Notes for Robert de Caen:
Earl of Gloucester. Was born before his father came to the throne, probably
abt 1090 and died of fever at Bristol. Buried in Priory of St. James there,
of which he was a founder.
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (63:26), (124:26), (124A:26), (125:26),
(132A:27).
He was an illigitimate son of King HENRY I. According to "The Dictionary of
National Biography", his mother was probably an unknown French woman. This
birth was before HENRY became king. On insufficient grounds some claim his
mother to be Nesta, dau. of RHYS AP TEWDR, King of Dehubarth. In his
"Complete Peerage", Cockayne is of the opinion that his mother was most likely
SIBYL CORBET.
He fought at the Battle of Bremule in 1119, where his father defeated King
LOUIS VI of France. In 1122 he was created Earl of Gloucester. In 1123, he
led a force to assist in the capture of the castle of Brionne, which was held
by rebel Norman barons. In 1126 he had custody of the imprisoned rebel,
Robert, Duke of Normandy. In 1127 he did homage to the EMPRESS MATILDA,
recognizng her as his father’s successor to the throne.
When Stephen was chosen as king over the EMPRESS MATILDA, Robert did homage to
him for his English lands. In 1137 he accompanied King Stephen to Normandy
where a quarrel ensued. He then threw his support to MATILDA, who was in
Normandy, and obtained the surrender of Caen and Bayeux to her husband,
GEOFFREY PLANTAGENET, Count of Anjou. In Sep. 1139 he landed in England with
MATILDA and took her to Arundel Castle. He became her commander-in-chief in
the civil war which followed.
Robert was captured by Stephen’s forces, but Stephen had also been previously
captured by MATILDA’s. The two were returned to their respective camps in an
even exchange. MATILDA sent Robert to Anjou to attempt to convince her
husband, GEOFFREY, to come to her aid. GEOFFREY declined to help until he had
conquered Normandy, so Robert joined in his campaign. However, hearing that
MATILDA was beseiged at Oxford, he hurried back to her assistance. He took
MATILDA’s and GEOFFREY’s son, HENRY (the future King HENRY II) with him. In
1143 Robert defeated Stephen at Wilton and in 1144 he blockaded Malmesbury,
Stephen refusing battle. MATILDA’s support had gradually dwindled, so Robert
was unable to continue to press her cause. In 1147 Robert sent HENRY back to
Anjou. Later that year Robert died of fever at Bristol.
Child of Henry and Edith is:
i. Robert Fitz Edith.

Children of Henry and Ansfride are:
i. Juliane.
ii. Fulk.
iii. Richard Juliane, born Bef. 1100; died 1120 in Drowned in the Wite Ship.

Children of Henry and Nest are:
i. Henry FitzHenry, born Abt. 1105; died 1157.

Notes for Henry FitzHenry:
This was Henry ‘Fitz Henry’, son of Henry I by Nest, born ‘probably
before1109’ (Chris Given-Wilson & Alice Curteis, _Royal Bastards of Medieval
England_ [London, 1984], 62). He was killed in the 1157 action but left at
least two sons, Meiler and Robert, who "took part in the Norman conquest of
Ireland under Strongbow (Richard de Clare, earl of Pembroke)" (Given, 72).
Both are mentioned (and Meiler is described) by Gerald of Wales, who, as
another grandson of Nest, was their first cousin of the half blood and
probably would have known them.[Nat Taylor]
ii. Elizabeth FitzHenry, married Fergus of Galloway.

Child of Henry and Edith is:
i. Matilda, born 1086; died 25-Nov-1120; married Routrou II de Perche, Count
of Perche

Child of Henry and Maud/Matilda is:
i. Maud, married Conan III de Bretagne.

Always optimistic--Dave


ray montgomery

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Optomistic Dave
i have two questions perhaps you could answer concerning the following:
1. Who is the mother of Alice ± 1117 that married Mathieu Lord
Montmorency and is the mother of Bouchard IV lord Montmorency. i do not
see this child of henry on your list.
2. Do you have the ancestry of Sybill Corbet and also maud/Matilda of
Flanders that is the mother of maud princess of England that married
Conan III Bretagne.
Sincerely
RAY

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ray montgomery wrote:
>
> Optomistic Dave
> i have two questions perhaps you could answer concerning the following:
> 1. Who is the mother of Alice ą 1117 that married Mathieu Lord

> Montmorency and is the mother of Bouchard IV lord Montmorency. i do not
> see this child of henry on your list.

I do not know that she was. What is your evidence for this?

> 2. Do you have the ancestry of Sybill Corbet and also maud/Matilda of
> Flanders that is the mother of maud princess of England that married
> Conan III Bretagne.

The mother of of Conan's wife was not Matilda of Flanders.


> >Children of Henry and Sybil Corbet are:
> >i. Sybil.
> >ii. Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall
> >iii. William.
> >iv. Rohese.
> >v. Gundred.
> >vi. Constance, married Roscelin de Maine.

I don't think Constance can be shown to be daughter of Sybil.

> >
> >Children of Henry and Matilda are:
> >i. Matilda of England, born 7-Feb-1101/02 in Winchester

> >ii. William the Atheling, born 1103; died 1120 when he drowned
> >

> >Child of Henry and Daughter of Caen is:
> >i. Robert de Caen, born 1090; died 31-Oct-1147 in Bristol

This "Daughter of Caen" is an artificial construction. There is no
evidence who Robert's mother was. It could have been one of the
mistresses named elsewhere, or it could have been an entirely different
one. We do not even know she was from Caen.

> >Child of Henry and Edith is:
> >i. Robert Fitz Edith.
> >
> >Children of Henry and Ansfride are:
> >i. Juliane.
> >ii. Fulk.
> >iii. Richard Juliane, born Bef. 1100; died 1120 in Drowned in

Something is wrong here, with Richard Juliane (unless this was an early
transgender individual).

> >Children of Henry and Nest are:
> >i. Henry FitzHenry, born Abt. 1105; died 1157.

> >ii. Elizabeth FitzHenry, married Fergus of Galloway.

That Elizabeth was even daughter of Henry is not well documented, and
there is no way her mother can be identified.

> >Child of Henry and Edith is:
> >i. Matilda, born 1086; died 25-Nov-1120; married Routrou II de

FWIW, this Edith is different than the one above.

> >Child of Henry and Maud/Matilda is:
> >i. Maud, married Conan III de Bretagne.

The mother here is NOT the same as Queen Maud.

taf

Leo van de Pas

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At 09:17 PM 12/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>ray montgomery wrote:
>> Optomistic Dave
>> i have two questions perhaps you could answer concerning the following:
>> 1. Who is the mother of Alice ą 1117 that married Mathieu Lord
>> Montmorency and is the mother of Bouchard IV lord Montmorency. i do not
>> see this child of henry on your list.
TAF then asked:

>I do not know that she was. What is your evidence for this?

I have three sources making this Alice a daughter of Henry I.
Two of these sources are not 'rock solid' and none of the three give a
mother for Alice.

Gerald Paget in his ancestors of Prince Charles, volume
I page 12, calls her Alice (or Aline)

Turton page 231 also records her as daughter of Henry I.

The best and most recent is Schwennicke Volume III Band III
page 354, again there is Alice and no mother.

>
>> 2. Do you have the ancestry of Sybill Corbet and also maud/Matilda of
>> Flanders that is the mother of maud princess of England that married
>> Conan III Bretagne.

...........This Maud was a BASTARD and not a Princess
and Paget does not give her a mother either. Schwennicke,
on the same page as quoted before, also makes her a
BASTARD (lovely word) and gives her no mother.

>
>> >Children of Henry and Sybil Corbet are:
>> >i. Sybil.
>> >ii. Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall
>> >iii. William.
>> >iv. Rohese.
>> >v. Gundred.

Schwennicke deprives this one of a mother :


>> >vi. Constance, married Roscelin de Maine.
>
>I don't think Constance can be shown to be daughter of Sybil.
>
>> >
>> >Children of Henry and Matilda are:
>> >i. Matilda of England, born 7-Feb-1101/02 in Winchester
>> >ii. William the Atheling, born 1103; died 1120 when he drowned
>> >
>> >Child of Henry and Daughter of Caen is:
>> >i. Robert de Caen, born 1090; died 31-Oct-1147 in Bristol
>
>This "Daughter of Caen" is an artificial construction. There is no
>evidence who Robert's mother was. It could have been one of the
>mistresses named elsewhere, or it could have been an entirely different
>one. We do not even know she was from Caen.

Schwennicke does not give him a mother, and Caen must have been his place
of birth.

>> >Child of Henry and Edith is:
>> >i. Robert Fitz Edith.

.......Schwennicke gives Edith a daughter, Maud, who drowned
on the White Ship, and was married to Rotrou II du Perche
Schwennicke doesn't give King Henry a son Robert

>> >Children of Henry and Ansfride are:
>> >i. Juliane.
>> >ii. Fulk.
>> >iii. Richard Juliane, born Bef. 1100; died 1120 in Drowned in
>
>Something is wrong here, with Richard Juliane (unless this was an early
>transgender individual).

.........I think the Juliane is a funny typo, Schwennicke
gives the same three but calls Richard only Richard


>
>> >Children of Henry and Nest are:
>> >i. Henry FitzHenry, born Abt. 1105; died 1157.
>> >ii. Elizabeth FitzHenry, married Fergus of Galloway.

Schwennicke gives Nest only Henry FitzHenry


>That Elizabeth was even daughter of Henry is not well documented, and
>there is no way her mother can be identified.

.....Henry had by Isabel de Beaumont a daughter Isabel,
Isabel and Elizabeth are interchangeable BUT Isabel
has no spouse recorded.

>
>> >Child of Henry and Edith is:
>> >i. Matilda, born 1086; died 25-Nov-1120; married Routrou II de
>
>FWIW, this Edith is different than the one above.

........How many Ediths did Henry I seduce?



>> >Child of Henry and Maud/Matilda is:
>> >i. Maud, married Conan III de Bretagne.

..........Maud who married Conan : her Mum is unknown

>
>The mother here is NOT the same as Queen Maud.
>
>taf
>

This Henry is a pain as far as his illegitimates is concerned
......pity.
Leo van de Pas

I Wallace

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Dec 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/14/98
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Dave the Always optimistic wrote

" Generation No. 1
1. Henry I, King of England, born Abt. Sep-1068 in Selby, Yorkshire, ENG;
died 1-Dec-1135 in St. Denis-le-Fermont, near Gisors. He was the son of 2.
William the Conqueror and 3. Matilda of Flanders. He had an affair with
(1)
Sybil Corbet. She was the daughter of Robert Corbet. He married (2)
Matilda
of Scotland. She was the daughter of Malcolm III, Ceann-Mor, King of
Scotland
and The Saint Margaret. He had an affair with (3) Daughter of Caen. She
was
the daughter of Robert of Caen. He had an affair with (4) Edith of

Greystoke......"

I have seen it suggested (Wagner, Pedigree 49 in Pedigree and
Progress, 1975, deriving his material from CP XI, App D page 10) that Edith
was the daughter of Forne, (died 1129/1130) Lord of Greystoke, Cumberland ,
he being the son of Sigulf.

Is anything further known of this Sigulf , or indeed of Forne ?

Ian Wallace (in Bexleyheath, Kent)
EX CAVERNA . AD TAVERNA.

Urania

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>...........This Maud was a BASTARD and not a Princess
>and Paget does not give her a mother either. Schwennicke,
>on the same page as quoted before, also makes her a
>BASTARD (lovely word) and gives her no mother.
>
There is NO record for the mother of this daughter of Henry I Beauclerc,
but the great 19th C Breton historian Arthur la Moyne de la Broderie says
of her [Volume III of Histoire de Bretagne, 1899, page 35]: Conan epousa
mathilde, fille d'Henri 1ere de la main gauche, mais reconnue par le roi
pour sa fille et *elevee en princesse.*
He goes on to say this marriage was a disaster for Brittany because civil
war ensued when on his death-bed in 1148 Conan declared Mahaude's son
Hoel to be a bastard and named as his heir the husband of Mahaude's
daughter Berthe. It is one of history's little mysteries why, if Conan
thought that Mahaude had palmed him off with a cuckoo child as his heir,
he did not repudiate her (or better still burn her at the stake - the
correct punishment for adulterous royal women who endangered the
succession) and marry a more reliable bride ...


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