Charlemagne-de Somery-Puleston?
Simon Pugh
I have been looking at a very extensive Welsh genealogy compiled by a
relative many years ago, it is said to be based on The Royal Tribes of
Wales by Philip Yorke and The Fifteen Tribes of North Wales by Richard
Williams.
I have enclosed a fragment showing a line from Charlemagne to John
Puleston. I have not been able to verify it myself and I would be
interested in the views of the group. The recent Eleanor de Bar threads
have touched on part of it suggesting a possible line between Thomas ap
Llewellyn and Abraham Lincoln.
I have not put it in my database which is why it is in three parts.
1. John Puleston (2253) married Helen Whitney (2254).
2. John Puleston (2255) married Alswn Fychan (2256).
4. Madoc Puleston of Bromfield (2257) married Angharad (--?--)
(2258).
9. Lowry (--?--) (2260) married Robert Puleston of Emral (2259).
18. Gruffydd Vychan (2261) married Elen (--?--) (2262), daughter
of Thomas ap Llywelyn (2638).
37. Elizabeth le Strange (2264) was born circa 1298. She married
Gruffydd ap Madog (2263) on 8 Jul 1304.
74. John le Strange (2265) married Maude de Montibus (2266). He
was born in 1254. He died in 1310.
149. Joan de Somery (2247) married John le Strange Lord of Knokyn
(2246), son of John le Strange (2203) and Amica Unknown (2204), circa
1253.
298. Roger de Somery (2248) married Nichola d' Albini (2249),
daughter of William d'Albini 3rd Earl of Arundel (2250)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hawise Paynel m. John de Somery
Isabel de Beaumont m. Sir Gervaise Paynel
Robert de Beaumont 2nd Earl of Leicester m. Amice dau. of Ralph
de Gael
Isabel de Vermandois m. Sir Robert Beaumont later Earl of
Leicester
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Adelaide de Vermandois (2635) married Hughes Capet (2636)
2. Herbert V de Vermandois (2634)
4. Etudes de Vermandois (2632) married Pavie de Ham (2633)
8. Herbert III de Vermandois (2630) married Ermengarde de Bar
(2631)
16. Albert de Vermandois (2628) married Gerberge de Lorraine
(2629)
32. Herbert II de Vermandois (2620) married Liegarde Roberien
(2621)
64. Herbert de Vermandois (2622)
128. Pepin II de Vermandois (2623)
256. Bernarde King of Italy (2624)
512. Pepin King of Italy (2625)
1024. Charlemagne Carolingien (2626)
--
Simon Pugh
ED MANN
>
> Hi all
> I have been looking at a very extensive Welsh genealogy compiled by a
> relative many years ago, it is said to be based on The Royal Tribes of
> Wales by Philip Yorke and The Fifteen Tribes of North Wales by Richard
> Williams.
>
> I have enclosed a fragment showing a line from Charlemagne to John
> Puleston. I have not been able to verify it myself and I would be
> interested in the views of the group. The recent Eleanor de Bar threads
> have touched on part of it suggesting a possible line between Thomas ap
> Llewellyn and Abraham Lincoln.
>
> I have not put it in my database which is why it is in three parts.
>
> 1. John Puleston (2253) married Helen Whitney (2254).
>
My records don't show your numbers 2 or 4.
> 2. John Puleston (2255) married Alswn Fychan (2256).
>
> 4. Madoc Puleston of Bromfield (2257) married Angharad (--?--)
> (2258).
>
> 9. Lowry (--?--) (2260) married Robert Puleston of Emral (2259).
I can confirm this line back to Charlemagne, although there is a shorter
one.
Direct Descendants of Charlemagne
1 Emperor of the West Charlemagne b: 2 Apr 747 d: 28 Jan 813/14 ref
#: Ä50-13
+Himiltrude b: Abt. 742
2 Aupais ref #: (Ä191-14)
+Count Begue de Paris d: 816 ref #: Ä191-14
3 Lisiard de Fezensac ref #: S264-40
4 Gerard de Rousillon b: Abt. 790 d: 877 ref #: S264-39
+Bertha de Tours b: Abt. 790
5 Eve de Rousillion b: Abt. 820 ref #: (Ä50-17)
+Guerri I de Morvois b: Abt. 820 ref #: (Ä50-17)
6 [134] Beatrice de Morvois b: Abt. 845 ref #: (Ä50-17)
+[133] Count Herbert I de Vermandois b: Abt. 840 d: Abt. 903 ref
#: Ä50-17
7 Beatrice de Vermandois ref #: (Ä48-18)
+King Robert I de Paris b: 866 d: 15 Jun 923 ref #: Ä48-18
8 Duke Hugh Magnus b: Abt. 895 d: 16 Jun 956 ref #: Ä53-19
+Hedwig von Sachsen b: Abt. 921 d: 10 May 965 ref #: Ä141-19
9 [157] King Hugues Capet de France b: 941 d: 24 Oct 996 ref #:
Ä53-20
+[156] Adelaide de Poitou b: 945 d: Abt. 1004 ref #: Ä144A-20
10 [124] King Robert II de France b: 27 Mar 972 d: 20 Jul 1031 ref #:
Ä53-21
11 Amauri de Montfort b: Abt. 996 d: Aft. 1051 ref #: S90-30
+Bertrade de Gometz b: Abt. 996
12 Simon I de Montfort b: Abt. 1026 d: 1087 ref #: (Ä118-23)
*2nd Wife of Simon I de Montfort:
+Agnes d'Evreux b: Abt. 1030 ref #: (Ä118-23)
13 [18] Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1060 d: 14 Feb 1116/17 ref #:
(Ä118-23)
+[56] Count Foulques IV de Anjou b: 1043 d: 14 Apr 1109 ref #:
Ä118-23
14 [165] King of Jerusalem Foulques V de Anjou b: 1092 d: 10 Nov 1143
ref #: Ä118-24
+[164] Erembourge de Mans b: Abt. 1096 d: 1126 ref #: (Ä118-24)
15 [14] Geoffrey V Plantagenet b: 23 Aug 1113 d: 7 Sep 1151 ref #:
F222:18
*2nd Wife of [14] Geoffrey V Plantagenet:
+[13] Princess Matilda of England b: 7 Feb 1101/02 d: 10 Sep 1167
ref #: Ä1-24
16 [22] King Henry II of England b: 25 Mar 1133 d: 8 Jul 1189 ref #:
F222:17
+[21] Éléanore d'Aquitaine b: 1123 d: 31 Mar 1204 ref #: Ä110-26
17 [8] King John of England b: 24 Dec 1167 d: 19 Oct 1216 ref #:
F223:16
*2nd Wife of [8] John of England:
+Agatha de Ferrers
18 Joan b: Bef. 1200 d: 30 Mar 1236 ref #: Ä27-27
+Prince Llewelyn ap Iorwerth b: Abt. 1164 d: 11 Apr 1240 ref #:
Ä176-7
19 Angharad verch Llewellyn ref #: Ä254-29
+Maelgwn Fychan d: 1257 ref #: (Ä254-29)
20 Elena ferch Maelgwn Fychan ref #: Ä254-30
+Maredudd ap Owain d: 1265 ref #: (Ä254-30)
21 Owain ap Maredudd d: 1275 ref #: Ä254-31
+Angharad ferch Owain ap Maredudd ref #: (Ä254-31)
22 Llywelyn ap Owain d: 1309 ref #: Ä254-32
*2nd Wife of Llywelyn ap Owain:
+ ref #: (Ä254-32)
23 Sir Thomas ap Llewellyn d: Bef. 14 Aug 1343 ref #: Ä254-33
+Eleanor ferch Philip ap Ifor ref #: Ä260-33
24 [4] Elen verch Thomas ref #: Ä254-34
+[3] Gruffudd Fychan II ap Gruffydd ref #: W137-6
25 Lowry verch Gruffudd Fychan ref #: W137-7
*3rd Wife of [8] John of England:
*4th Wife of [8] John of England:
*5th Wife of [8] John of England:
+[7] Isabelle de Angoulême b: 1189 d: 31 May 1246 ref #: Ä117-27
18 [2] Alainor Plantagenet b: 1215 d: 13 Apr 1275 ref #: F223:16v
*2nd Husband of [2] Alainor Plantagenet:
+[1] Sir Simon de Montfort b: Abt. 1208 d: 4 Aug 1265 ref #:
(Ä260-30)
19 Eleanor de Montfort b: 1252 d: 1282 ref #: Ä260-31
+Llewellyn ap Griffith d: 11 Dec 1282 ref #: (Ä260-31)
*2nd Wife of [165] Foulques V de Anjou:
*2nd Husband of [18] Bertrade de Montfort:
+[15] King Philippe I de France b: Bef. 23 May 1053 d: 29 Jul 1108
ref #: Ä101-23
13 Sir Amauri III de Montfort b: 1070 d: 1137 ref #: ESiii:642
+Agnes de Garlende b: Abt. 1122 d: 1143 ref #: ESxiii:113
14 Simon III de Montfort d: 13 Mar 1180/81 ref #: ESiii:642
+Maud ref #: ESiii:642
15 [20] Comte Simon IV de Montfort d: Bef. 1188 ref #: ESiii:642
+[19] Amice de Beaumont d: 3 Sep 1215 ref #: ESiii:700
16 [6] Sir Simon V de Montfort d: 25 Jun 1218 ref #: ESiii:642
+[5] Alix de Montmorency d: 24 Feb 1220/21 ref #: ESxiv:116
17 [1] Sir Simon de Montfort b: Abt. 1208 d: 4 Aug 1265 ref #:
(Ä260-30)
+[2] Alainor Plantagenet b: 1215 d: 13 Apr 1275 ref #: F223:16v
15 [10] Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227 ref #: (Ä125-28)
+[9] Sir Hugh de Kevelioc b: 1147 d: 30 Jun 1181 ref #: Ä125-28
16 [28] Mabel of Chester b: Abt. 1172 ref #: Ä126-29
+[27] Sir William d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1133 d: 1 Feb 1220/21 ref #:
W129-1
17 Nichole d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1193 d: Bef. 1254 ref #: W136-2
+Sir Roger de Somery b: Abt. 1183 d: Bef. 27 Aug 1273 ref #:
Ä81-29
18 Joan de Somery d: 1282 ref #: W137-3
+Sir John le Strange IV d: Bef. 27 Feb 1275/76 ref #: Ä255-31
19 Sir John le Strange V b: Abt. 1253 d: Abt. 8 Aug 1309 ref #:
W137-4
*2nd Wife of John le Strange V:
+Maud de Walton ref #: (Ä249-32)
20 Elizabeth le Strange b: 1298 ref #: W137-5
+Gruffudd ap Madog ap Gruffyd Maelor b: 23 Nov 1298 d: Aft. 1342
21 [3] Gruffudd Fychan II ap Gruffydd ref #: W137-6
+[4] Elen verch Thomas ref #: Ä254-34
+[32] Susanna di Italia b: Abt. 952 d: 26 Jan 1002/03 ref #:
Ä145-19
*2nd Wife of [124] Robert II de France:
*3rd Wife of [124] Robert II de France:
+[139] Constance de Provence b: Abt. 986 d: 25 Jul 1032 ref #:
Ä141A-21
11 [34] Aelis de France d: 8 Jan 1078/79 ref #: Ä128-22
+[47] Duke Richard III de Normandy b: Abt. 997 d: 6 Aug 1027 ref
#: Ä132A-23
*2nd Husband of [34] Aelis de France:
+[33] Count Baudouin V de Lille b: Abt. 1013 d: 1 Sep 1067 ref #:
Ä162-22
12 Baudouin VI de Flanders b: Abt. 1030 d: 10 Jul 1070 ref #: Ä163-23
+Richilde von Egisheim d: 15 Mar 1087/88 ref #: (Ä106-22)
13 [76] Count Baudouin II de Hainault b: Abt. 1056 d: Aft. 8 Jun 1098
ref #: Ä163-24
+[75] Ida de Louvain b: Abt. 1066 d: 1139 ref #: Ä160-23
14 [38] Count Baudouin III de Hainault b: 1088 d: 1120 ref #: Ä163-25
+[37] Yolande de Guelders b: Abt. 1089 ref #: (Ä98A-25)
15 [36] Count Baudouin IV de Hainault b: Abt. 1110 d: 8 Nov 1171 ref
#: Ä163-26
+[35] Alix de Namur d: 1169 ref #: ESvii:68
16 [12] Laurette von Hennegau d: 9 Aug 1191 ref #: ESii:6
+[11] Bouchard IV de Montmorency d: 1189 ref #: ESxiv:116
17 [5] Alix de Montmorency d: 24 Feb 1220/21 ref #: ESxiv:116
+[6] Sir Simon V de Montfort d: 25 Jun 1218 ref #: ESiii:642
12 [51] Maud de Flanders b: 1032 d: 3 Nov 1083 ref #: Ä162-23
+[50] King William I of England b: 1027 d: 9 Sep 1087 ref #:
Ä121-24
13 [26] King Henry I of England b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135 ref #: Ä121-25
+Edith d: Aft. 1130 ref #: BRF:49
14 [30] Matilda b: 1086 d: 25 Nov 1120 ref #: (Ä153-24A)
+[29] Count Routrou II de Perche d: Apr 1144 ref #: Ä153-24A
15 Matilda de Perche b: 1105 d: 28 May 1143 ref #: Ä153-25
+Vicomte Raymond I de Turenne b: Abt. 1080 d: Abt. 1122 ref #:
(Ä153-25)
16 [58] Marguerite de Turenne b: Abt. 1120 ref #: Ä153-26
*2nd Husband of [58] Marguerite de Turenne:
*3rd Husband of [58] Marguerite de Turenne:
+[57] Count William IV de Angoulême b: Bef. 1140 d: 7 Aug 1179 ref
#: (Ä117-27)
17 [17] Count Aymer de Valence b: Abt. 1160 d: 16 Jun 1202 ref #:
Ä153-27
+[16] Alice de Courtenay b: Abt. 1160 d: 1218 ref #: Ä117-26
18 [7] Isabelle de Angoulême b: 1189 d: 31 May 1246 ref #: Ä117-27
+[8] King John of England b: 24 Dec 1167 d: 19 Oct 1216 ref #:
F223:16
*2nd Husband of [7] Isabelle de Angoulême:
14 Sir Robert de Caen b: Abt. 1090 d: 31 Oct 1147 ref #: Ä124-26
+Maud FitzHamon b: Abt. 1090 d: 1157 ref #: (Ä63-26)
15 [49] Maud de Caen b: Abt. 1120 d: 29 Jul 1189 ref #: Ä125-27
+[48] Sir Ranulph de Guernon b: Abt. 1100 d: 16 Dec 1153 ref #:
Ä132A-27
16 [9] Sir Hugh de Kevelioc b: 1147 d: 30 Jun 1181 ref #: Ä125-28
+[10] Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227 ref #: (Ä125-28)
*2nd Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
*3rd Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
*4th Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
14 Alice ref #: ESxiv:116
+Mathieu I de Montmorency d: 1160 ref #: ESxiv:116
15 [11] Bouchard IV de Montmorency d: 1189 ref #: ESxiv:116
+[12] Laurette von Hennegau d: 9 Aug 1191 ref #: ESii:6
*5th Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
*6th Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
+[59] Princess Matilda of Scotland b: 1079 d: 1 May 1118 ref #:
Ä1-23
14 [13] Princess Matilda of England b: 7 Feb 1101/02 d: 10 Sep 1167
ref #: Ä1-24
*2nd Husband of [13] Matilda of England:
+[14] Geoffrey V Plantagenet b: 23 Aug 1113 d: 7 Sep 1151 ref #:
F222:18
*7th Wife of [26] Henry I of England:
+[25] Adeliza de Louvaine b: Abt. 1103 d: 23 Apr 1151 ref #:
Ä149-24
11 King Henri I de France b: Abt. 1006 d: 4 Aug 1060 ref #: Ä53-22
*2nd Wife of Henri I de France:
+Anna Jaroslawna of Kiev b: 1036 d: Abt. 1082 ref #: Ä241-6
12 [15] King Philippe I de France b: Bef. 23 May 1053 d: 29 Jul 1108
ref #: Ä101-23
+[31] Bertha de Holland b: 1053 d: 1093 ref #: (Ä101-23)
13 [53] King Louis VI de France b: 1081 d: 1 Aug 1137 ref #: Ä101-24
+[52] Adelaide de Maurienne b: 1092 d: 18 Nov 1154 ref #:
(Ä135-26)
14 [24] Pierre Capet b: Abt. 1125 d: 10 Apr 1183 ref #: Ä117-25
+[23] Elizabeth de Courtenay b: 1127 d: 14 Sep 1205 ref #: Ä107-25
15 [16] Alice de Courtenay b: Abt. 1160 d: 1218 ref #: Ä117-26
+[17] Count Aymer de Valence b: Abt. 1160 d: 16 Jun 1202 ref #:
Ä153-27
*2nd Wife of [53] Louis VI de France:
*2nd Wife of [15] Philippe I de France:
+[18] Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1060 d: 14 Feb 1116/17 ref #:
(Ä118-23)
12 [44] Hugh Magnus de Crepi b: 1057 d: 18 Oct 1101 ref #: Ä53-23
+[43] Countess Adelaide de Vermandois b: Abt. 1062 d: Abt. 1122
ref #: Ä50-23
13 Elizabeth de Vermandois b: 1081 d: 13 Feb 1130/31 ref #: Ä50-24
+Sir Robert I de Beaumont b: Abt. 1049 d: 5 Jun 1118 ref #:
(Ä151-25)
14 Sir Robert II de Beaumont b: 1104 d: 5 Apr 1168 ref #: Ä53-25
+Amice de Montfort b: Abt. 1100 d: Aft. 5 Apr 1168 ref #:
ESiii:700
15 Sir Robert III de Beaumont b: Bef. 1135 d: 31 Aug 1190 ref #:
Ä53-26
+Pernel de Grantmesnil b: Abt. 1134 d: 1 Apr 1212 ref #: ESiii:697
16 [19] Amice de Beaumont d: 3 Sep 1215 ref #: ESiii:700
+[20] Comte Simon IV de Montfort d: Bef. 1188 ref #: ESiii:642
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Vermandois:
11 [55] Duke Robert I de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1011 d: 21 Mar 1075/76 ref
#: Ä108-22
+[54] Ermengarde de Anjou b: Abt. 1018 d: 21 Mar 1075/76 ref #:
Ä118-22
*2nd Wife of [55] Robert I de Bourgogne:
+Helie de Semur b: 1016 d: 22 Apr 1055 ref #: (Ä108-22)
12 [40] Hildegarde de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1033 d: Aft. 1104 ref #:
Ä110-23
+[39] Guillaime VIII de Aquitaine b: Abt. 1024 d: 25 Sep 1086 ref
#: (Ä110-23)
13 [141] Guillaime IX de Aquitaine b: 22 Oct 1071 d: 10 Feb 1126/27
ref #: Ä110-24
+[140] Philippa de Toulouse b: Abt. 1073 d: 28 Nov 1117 ref #:
Ä185-3
14 Guillaime X de Aquitaine b: 1099 d: 9 Apr 1137 ref #: Ä110-25
+Éléanore de Châtellerault d: Aft. Mar 1129/30 ref #: Ä183-4
15 [21] Éléanore d'Aquitaine b: 1123 d: 31 Mar 1204 ref #: Ä110-26
*2nd Husband of [21] Éléanore d'Aquitaine:
+[22] King Henry II of England b: 25 Mar 1133 d: 8 Jul 1189 ref #:
F222:17
*2nd Wife of Guillaime X de Aquitaine:
11 [110] Adele de France d: Abt. 1063 ref #: Ä107-21
+[109] Count Renaud I de Nevers d: 29 May 1040 ref #: (Ä107-20)
12 Count Guillaume I de Nevers b: Abt. 1030 d: 20 Jun 1100 ref #:
Ä107-21
+Ermengarde de Tonnerre ref #: (Ä107-21)
13 [145] Renaud II de Nevers b: Abt. 1046 d: 5 Aug 1089 ref #:
Ä107-22
+[144] Ida Raimonde de Lyon b: 1055 ref #: (Ä107-22)
14 Ermengarde de Nevers b: Abt. 1073 ref #: Ä107-23
+Miles de Courtenay b: Abt. 1069 d: Aft. 1127 ref #: (Ä107-23)
15 Renaud de Courtenay b: Abt. 1100 d: Abt. 1189 ref #: Ä107-24
+Hedwig du Donjon d: Aft. 1155 ref #: (Ä107-24)
16 [23] Elizabeth de Courtenay b: 1127 d: 14 Sep 1205 ref #: Ä107-25
+[24] Pierre Capet b: Abt. 1125 d: 10 Apr 1183 ref #: Ä117-25
10 [100] Hedwig Capet b: Abt. 972 d: Aft. 1013 ref #: Ä106-21
+[99] Count Regnier IV de Hainault b: Abt. 950 d: 1013 ref #:
(Ä106-21)
11 [107] Beatrix de Hainault b: Abt. 997 ref #: Ä106-22
+[106] Ebles I de Roucy b: Abt. 988 d: 11 May 1033 ref #: Ä151-21
12 Alix de Roucy b: Abt. 1014 d: 1063 ref #: Ä151-22
+Hildouin III de Montdidier b: Abt. 1010 d: Abt. 1063 ref #:
(Ä111-25)
13 [82] Adela de Rameru b: Abt. 1025 d: Abt. 1069 ref #: (Ä149-22A)
+[81] Arnold II de Chiny b: Abt. 1025 d: 16 Apr 1106 ref #:
(Ä149-22A)
14 [80] Otto II de Chiny b: Abt. 1055 d: 28 Mar 1125 ref #:
(Ä149-22A)
+[79] Adelaide de Namur b: 1068 d: 1124 ref #: Ä149-22A
15 [74] Ida de Namur b: 1083 d: Abt. 1120 ref #: Ä149-23
+[73] Godfrey I de Brabant b: Abt. 1060 d: 25 Jan 1139/40 ref #:
Ä155-23
16 [25] Adeliza de Louvaine b: Abt. 1103 d: 23 Apr 1151 ref #:
Ä149-24
+[26] King Henry I of England b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135 ref #: Ä121-25
*2nd Husband of [25] Adeliza de Louvaine:
+Sir William d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1109 d: 12 Oct 1176 ref #:
(Ä149-24)
17 Sir William d'Aubigny b: Bef. 1150 d: 24 Dec 1193 ref #: Ä149-25
+Maud de St. Hilary d: 1173 ref #: (Ä246B-26)
18 [27] Sir William d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1133 d: 1 Feb 1220/21 ref #:
W129-1
+[28] Mabel of Chester b: Abt. 1172 ref #: Ä126-29
13 [42] Beatrix de Montdidier d: Aft. 2 Sep 1129 ref #: Ä151-24
+[41] Geoffrey II de Perche b: Abt. 1045 d: Oct 1100 ref #:
(Ä113A-25)
14 [29] Count Routrou II de Perche d: Apr 1144 ref #: Ä153-24A
+[30] Matilda b: 1086 d: 25 Nov 1120 ref #: (Ä153-24A)
*2nd Wife of [29] Routrou II de Perche:
*2nd Husband of [107] Beatrix de Hainault:
7 Herbert II de Vermandois b: Abt. 885 d: 22 Feb 942/43 ref #: Ä50-18
+Hildebrande de Neustria b: Abt. 887 d: Aft. Mar 930/31 ref #:
Ä48-19
8 [98] Adelaide de Vermandois b: Abt. 915 d: Abt. 959 ref #: Ä48-20
+[97] Count Arnulf I de Flanders b: Abt. 890 d: 27 Mar 964 ref #:
Ä162-18
9 Hildegarde de Flanders d: 10 Apr 990
+Dietrich II of West Friesland d: 5 Jun 988 ref #: S311-36
10 [69] Arnulf I of West Friesland & Ghent d: 18 Sep 993 ref #:
S311-35
+[68] Luitgarde de Luxemburg d: 14 May 1005 ref #: S316-35
11 Dietrich III of West Friesland & Holland d: 27 May 1039 ref #:
S311-34
+Othelendis
12 [128] Florenz I de Holland d: 28 Jun 1061 ref #: (Ä101-23)
+[127] Gertrude von Sachsen b: Abt. 1030 d: 4 Aug 1113 ref #:
(Ä101-23)
13 [31] Bertha de Holland b: 1053 d: 1093 ref #: (Ä101-23)
+[15] King Philippe I de France b: Bef. 23 May 1053 d: 29 Jul 1108
ref #: Ä101-23
9 Count Baudouin III de Flanders b: Abt. 940 d: 1 Jan 961/62 ref #:
Ä162-19
+[72] Mathilda von Saxony d: 25 May 1008 ref #: (Ä162-19)
10 [123] Count Arnulf II de Flanders b: Abt. 961 d: 30 Mar 987 ref #:
Ä162-20
+[32] Susanna di Italia b: Abt. 952 d: 26 Jan 1002/03 ref #:
Ä145-19
11 [63] Count Baudouin IV de Flanders b: Abt. 980 d: 30 May 1036 ref
#: Ä162-21
+[62] Ogive de Luxemburg b: Abt. 984 d: 21 Feb 1029/30 ref #:
(Ä162-21)
12 [33] Count Baudouin V de Lille b: Abt. 1013 d: 1 Sep 1067 ref #:
Ä162-22
+[34] Aelis de France d: 8 Jan 1078/79 ref #: Ä128-22
*2nd Wife of [63] Baudouin IV de Flanders:
11 Count Eudes de Cambrai ref #: S184-34
+Odele de Bois Ferrand
8 [163] Luitgarde de Vermandois b: Abt. 917 d: Aft. 978 ref #:
Ä136-19
+Duke William I de Normandy b: Abt. 891 d: 17 Dec 943 ref #:
Ä121E-19
*2nd Husband of [163] Luitgarde de Vermandois:
+[162] Theobald II de Blois b: Abt. 910 d: 16 Jan 974/75 ref #:
Ä49-19
9 [155] Emma de Blois ref #: S340-34
+[154] Guillaime IV de Aquitaine b: Abt. 937 d: 3 Feb 994/95 ref
#: Ä144A-19
10 [114] Guillaime V de Aquitaine b: Abt. 969 d: 31 Jan 1029/30 ref
#: Ä110-23
+[113] Agnes de Bourgogne b: 995 d: 10 Nov 1068 ref #: S161-32
11 Count William V de Poitou b: Abt. 1023 d: 1058
+Ermesinde de Longwy d: Aft. 1058 ref #: S105-32
12 [65] Clemence de Poitou b: Abt. 1060 d: Aft. 1129 ref #: S119-31
+[64] Conrad I de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1040 d: 8 Aug 1086 ref #:
ESvi:128
13 [78] Ermesende de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1075 d: 1141 ref #: (Ä163-26)
*2nd Husband of [78] Ermesende de Luxemburg:
+[77] Count Godfrey de Namur b: Abt. 1067 d: 19 Aug 1139 ref #:
Ä246A-23
14 [35] Alix de Namur d: 1169 ref #: ESvii:68
+[36] Count Baudouin IV de Hainault b: Abt. 1110 d: 8 Nov 1171 ref
#: Ä163-26
*2nd Husband of [65] Clemence de Poitou:
+Count Gerard I Flaminus de Guelders b: Abt. 1053 d: Aft. 1138 ref
#: ESvi:250
13 [37] Yolande de Guelders b: Abt. 1089 ref #: (Ä98A-25)
+[38] Count Baudouin III de Hainault b: 1088 d: 1120 ref #:
Ä163-25
11 [39] Guillaime VIII de Aquitaine b: Abt. 1024 d: 25 Sep 1086 ref
#: (Ä110-23)
+[40] Hildegarde de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1033 d: Aft. 1104 ref #:
Ä110-23
9 Hildegarde de Blois d: Aft. 1007
*2nd Husband of Hildegarde de Blois:
+Vicomte Hugh I de Chateaudun b: Abt. 936 d: Bef. 989 ref #:
S249-33
10 Geoffrey II de Chateaudun b: Abt. 966 d: Bef. 1005 ref #: S249-32
+Helvise de Mortague b: Abt. 996
11 Rotrou I de Montague b: Abt. 1026 ref #: (Ä151-24)
+Adela de Domfront b: Abt. 1026 ref #: (Ä151-24)
12 [41] Geoffrey II de Perche b: Abt. 1045 d: Oct 1100 ref #:
(Ä113A-25)
+[42] Beatrix de Montdidier d: Aft. 2 Sep 1129 ref #: Ä151-24
8 [105] Count Albert I de Vermandois b: Abt. 920 d: 8 Sep 988 ref #:
Ä50-19
+[104] Gerberge de Lorraine b: Abt. 935 d: Aft. 978 ref #: Ä140-19
9 Count Gui de Vermandois b: Abt. 950 d: Aft. 13 Jun 989 ref #:
S188-36
+Adelaide de Soissons d: 1047
10 Aelis de Soissons ref #: S188-35
+Count Nocher II de Bar-sur-Aube d: Aft. 1019 ref #: S108-35
11 Count Nocher III de Bar-sur-Aube d: Bef. 1040 ref #: S108-34
12 [136] Adele de Bar-sur-Aube d: 1053 ref #: S108-33
+[135] Raoul III de Valois b: 1025 d: 8 Sep 1074 ref #: (Ä50-22)
13 [46] Adele de Valois b: Abt. 1043 ref #: (Ä50-22)
+[45] Herbert IV de Vermandois b: Abt. 1032 d: Abt. 1088 ref #:
Ä50-22
14 [43] Countess Adelaide de Vermandois b: Abt. 1062 d: Abt. 1122 ref
#: Ä50-23
+[44] Hugh Magnus de Crepi b: 1057 d: 18 Oct 1101 ref #: Ä53-23
*2nd Husband of [43] Adelaide de Vermandois:
9 Comte Herbert III de Vermandois b: Abt. 955 d: Abt. 1002 ref #:
Ä50-20
+Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine b: Abt. 970 d: Aft. 1035 ref #:
(Ä50-20)
10 Otho de Vermandois b: Abt. 1000 d: 25 May 1045 ref #: Ä50-21
+Parvie ref #: (Ä50-21)
11 [45] Herbert IV de Vermandois b: Abt. 1032 d: Abt. 1088 ref #:
Ä50-22
+[46] Adele de Valois b: Abt. 1043 ref #: (Ä50-22)
8 Robert de Vermandois b: Abt. 920 d: Abt. 968 ref #: Ä118-19
+Adelaide de Bourgogne d: Abt. 959 ref #: (Ä118-19)
9 Adelaide de Vermandois b: 950 d: Abt. 977 ref #: Ä118-20
+Count Geoffrey I de Anjou b: Abt. 940 d: 21 Jul 987 ref #:
(Ä118-20)
10 Ermengarde de Anjou ref #: Ä121-21
+Duc Conan I de Bretagne d: 27 Jun 992 ref #: (Ä39-21)
11 Judith de Bretagne b: 982 d: 16 Jun 1017 ref #: Ä121-22
+Count Richard II de Normandy b: 958 d: 28 Aug 1026 ref #:
Ä121E-21
12 [47] Duke Richard III de Normandy b: Abt. 997 d: 6 Aug 1027 ref #:
Ä132A-23
13 Alix de Normandy ref #: Ä132A-24
+Ranulph I de Bessin ref #: (Ä132A-24)
14 Ranulph II de Bayeux b: Bef. 1046 d: Aft. 1088 ref #: Ä132A-25
+Maud d'Avranches b: 1050 ref #: (Ä132A-25)
15 Sir Ranulph III de Bayeux b: 1070 d: Jan 1128/29 ref #: Ä132A-26
+Lucy b: 1074 d: Aft. 1135 ref #: (Ä132A-26)
16 [48] Sir Ranulph de Guernon b: Abt. 1100 d: 16 Dec 1153 ref #:
Ä132A-27
+[49] Maud de Caen b: Abt. 1120 d: 29 Jul 1189 ref #: Ä125-27
+[34] Aelis de France d: 8 Jan 1078/79 ref #: Ä128-22
12 Count Robert I de Normandy b: Abt. 1000 d: 22 Jul 1035 ref #:
Ä121E-22
+Harlette de Falaise b: Abt. 1003 ref #: (Ä121-23)
13 [50] King William I of England b: 1027 d: 9 Sep 1087 ref #:
Ä121-24
+[51] Maud de Flanders b: 1032 d: 3 Nov 1083 ref #: Ä162-23
12 [112] Alix de Normandy b: 1003 ref #: Ä132-23
+[111] Count Renaud I de Bourgogne b: Abt. 990 d: 4 Sep 1057 ref
#: (Ä132-23)
13 Count Guillaume I de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1024 d: 12 Nov 1087 ref #:
Ä132-24
+Etiennette de Longwy b: Abt. 1035 d: Aft. 1088 ref #: ESii:59
14 [61] Gisela de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1070 d: Aft. 1133 ref #:
(Ä101-24)
+[60] Count Humbert II de Maurienne b: Abt. 1070 d: 14 Oct 1103
ref #: (Ä101-24)
15 [52] Adelaide de Maurienne b: 1092 d: 18 Nov 1154 ref #: (Ä135-26)
+[53] King Louis VI de France b: 1081 d: 1 Aug 1137 ref #: Ä101-24
*2nd Husband of [61] Gisela de Bourgogne:
10 Count Foulques III de Anjou b: Bef. 977 d: 21 Jun 1040 ref #:
Ä118-21
+Hildegarde de Metz d: 1 Apr 1040 ref #: (Ä118-21)
11 [54] Ermengarde de Anjou b: Abt. 1018 d: 21 Mar 1075/76 ref #:
Ä118-22
+[55] Duke Robert I de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1011 d: 21 Mar 1075/76
ref #: Ä108-22
*2nd Husband of [54] Ermengarde de Anjou:
+[108] Geoffrey II de Château-Landon b: Abt. 1004 d: 1 Apr 1046
ref #: (Ä118-22)
12 [56] Count Foulques IV de Anjou b: 1043 d: 14 Apr 1109 ref #:
Ä118-23
*2nd Wife of [56] Foulques IV de Anjou:
+[18] Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1060 d: 14 Feb 1116/17 ref #:
(Ä118-23)
10 Gerberge Grisgonelle de Anjou ref #: S157-33
+Count William II de Angoulême b: Abt. 978 d: 6 Apr 1028 ref #:
S87-33
11 Count Geoffrey I de Angoulême b: Abt. 1014 d: 1048 ref #: S87-32
+Petronel d'Archiac d: Aft. 1047
12 Fulk de Angoulême b: 1030 d: 1087 ref #: S87-31
+Condoha Vogena de Angoulême b: Abt. 1032
13 William III de Angoulême b: Abt. 1065 d: 6 Apr 1118 ref #: S87-30
+Vidapont de Benauges b: 1066
14 [169] Count Wulgrin II de Angoulême b: Abt. 1089 d: 16 Nov 1140
ref #: (Ä153-26)
+[168] Pancia de la Marche b: Abt. 1109
15 [57] Count William IV de Angoulême b: Bef. 1140 d: 7 Aug 1179 ref
#: (Ä117-27)
+[58] Marguerite de Turenne b: Abt. 1120 ref #: Ä153-26
*2nd Wife of [57] William IV de Angoulême:
*2nd Wife of Geoffrey I de Angoulême:
7 Cunegundis b: Abt. 895 d: Abt. 943 ref #: (see notes)
+Count Eldo von Wetterau b: Abt. 895 d: 2 Dec 949 ref #: S351-37
8 Duke Conrad von Schwaben b: Abt. 920 d: 20 Jul 997 ref #: S199-36
+Jutta von Marchtal ref #: (see notes)
9 [88] Duke Hermann II von Schwaben b: Abt. 970 d: 4 May 1003 ref #:
(Ä157-20)
+[87] Gerberga de Bourgogne b: 965 d: 1016 ref #: Ä157-20
10 [130] Gisèla von Swabia b: 11 Nov 995 d: 14 Feb 1042/43 ref #:
Ä157-21
+Count Bruno von Braunschweig b: Abt. 960 d: Abt. 1003 ref #:
S32-33
11 [71] Count Ludwig von Braunschweig d: 23 Apr 1038 ref #: S32-32
+[70] Gertrude von Egisheim d: 21 Jul 1077 ref #: S33-32
12 Agatha von Braunschweig b: Abt. 1025 ref #: S318-34
+King Edward of England b: 1016 d: Abt. 1057 ref #: (Ä170-21)
13 Princess Margaret of England b: Abt. 1045 d: 16 Nov 1093 ref #:
Ä1-22
+King Malcolm III of Scotland b: Abt. 1031 d: 13 Nov 1093 ref #:
Ä170-21
14 [59] Princess Matilda of Scotland b: 1079 d: 1 May 1118 ref #:
Ä1-23
+[26] King Henry I of England b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135 ref #: Ä121-25
*2nd Husband of [130] Gisèla von Swabia:
+[129] Duke Ernst I von Babenburg d: 31 May 1015 ref #: S63-35
11 [149] Duke Hermann IV von Swabia b: Abt. 1015 d: 28 Jul 1038 ref
#: S63-34
+[148] Adelaide von Susa b: Abt. 1015 d: 14 Dec 1091 ref #:
(Ä45-23)
12 [90] Count Amadeus II de Savoy b: Abt. 1046 d: 26 Jan 1079/80 ref
#: S93-31
+[89] Johanna de Geneva d: Abt. 1095
13 [60] Count Humbert II de Maurienne b: Abt. 1070 d: 14 Oct 1103 ref
#: (Ä101-24)
+[61] Gisela de Bourgogne b: Abt. 1070 d: Aft. 1133 ref #:
(Ä101-24)
*3rd Husband of [130] Gisèla von Swabia:
8 Heribert von Gleiberg b: Abt. 925 d: 992 ref #: S351-36
+Ermentrude von Avalgau b: Abt. 925
9 [67] Ermentrude von Gleiberg b: Abt. 965 ref #: (Ä162-21)
+[66] Count Frederick I de Luxemburg b: Abt. 965 d: 6 Oct 1019 ref
#: Ä143-20
10 [62] Ogive de Luxemburg b: Abt. 984 d: 21 Feb 1029/30 ref #:
(Ä162-21)
+[63] Count Baudouin IV de Flanders b: Abt. 980 d: 30 May 1036 ref
#: Ä162-21
10 Giselbert I de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1005 d: 14 Aug 1059 ref #: S3-32
11 [64] Conrad I de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1040 d: 8 Aug 1086 ref #:
ESvi:128
+[65] Clemence de Poitou b: Abt. 1060 d: Aft. 1129 ref #: S119-31
3 Count Leutaud de Paris b: Abt. 768
4 Engeltrude de Paris b: Abt. 805 ref #: (Ä148-15)
+Eudes de Orleans b: Abt. 798 d: 834 ref #: (Ä148-15)
5 [161] Ermentrude de Orleans b: 27 Sep 830 d: 6 Oct 869 ref #:
(Ä148-15)
+[160] King Charles II de France b: 13 Jun 828 d: 6 Oct 877 ref #:
Ä148-15
6 [116] King Louis II of the Western Franks b: 844 d: 10 Apr 879 ref
#: Ä143-16
+[115] Adelaide de Paris b: Abt. 858 d: Abt. 10 Nov 901 ref #:
(Ä148-16)
7 Ermentrude von Francia b: Abt. 870 ref #: Ä143-17
8 Kunigunde von Francia b: Abt. 880 d: Aft. 923 ref #: S104-37
+Count Palatine Wigeric von Aachen b: Abt. 881 d: Aft. 919 ref #:
S316-37
9 Luitgard de Tries b: Abt. 910 d: 966
+Count Eberhard IV von Nordgau b: Abt. 910 d: 18 Dec 973 ref #:
S202-37
10 [86] Hedwig von Nordgau b: Abt. 930 d: 13 Dec 992
+[85] Count Siegfried de Luxemburg b: Abt. 922 d: 15 Aug 998 ref
#: Ä143-19
11 [66] Count Frederick I de Luxemburg b: Abt. 965 d: 6 Oct 1019 ref
#: Ä143-20
+[67] Ermentrude von Gleiberg b: Abt. 965 ref #: (Ä162-21)
11 [68] Luitgarde de Luxemburg d: 14 May 1005 ref #: S316-35
+[69] Arnulf I of West Friesland & Ghent d: 18 Sep 993 ref #:
S311-35
10 Count Hugh V von Nordgau b: Bef. 951 d: Bef. 986 ref #: S33-34
11 Count Hugh VI von Egisheim d: 1049 ref #: S33-33
+Heilwig von Dagsburg b: Abt. 972 d: 1046 ref #: S149-32
12 [70] Gertrude von Egisheim d: 21 Jul 1077 ref #: S33-32
+[71] Count Ludwig von Braunschweig d: 23 Apr 1038 ref #: S32-32
*2nd Husband of Luitgard de Tries:
9 Gozelin von Bidgau b: Abt. 911 d: 18 Oct 943 ref #: S104-36
+Uda de Metz d: 7 Apr 963
10 Godfrey de Verdun b: Abt. 933 d: Aft. 3 Sep 1005 ref #: S104-35
+[72] Mathilda von Saxony d: 25 May 1008 ref #: (Ä162-19)
11 Gonzelon de Verdun b: Abt. 967 d: 19 Apr 1044 ref #: (Ä149-21)
12 [96] Oda de Verdun d: 23 Oct 1044 ref #: (Ä155-21)
+[95] Lambert II de Louvain b: Abt. 991 d: Aft. 21 Sep 1062 ref #:
Ä155-21
13 [120] Henry II de Louvain d: 1077 ref #: (Ä149-23)
+[119] Adelaide von der Betuwe b: Abt. 1045 d: Aft. 1086 ref #:
(Ä155-22)
14 [73] Godfrey I de Brabant b: Abt. 1060 d: 25 Jan 1139/40 ref #:
Ä155-23
+[74] Ida de Namur b: 1083 d: Abt. 1120 ref #: Ä149-23
*2nd Wife of [73] Godfrey I de Brabant:
14 [75] Ida de Louvain b: Abt. 1066 d: 1139 ref #: Ä160-23
+[76] Count Baudouin II de Hainault b: Abt. 1056 d: Aft. 8 Jun
1098 ref #: Ä163-24
12 [94] Regelinde de Lorraine b: Abt. 994 d: 1064 ref #: (Ä149-21)
+[93] Count Adalbert II de Namur b: Abt. 1000 d: 1064 ref #:
Ä149-21
13 [126] Count Adalbert III de Namur b: Bef. 1035 d: 22 Jun 1102 ref
#: Ä149-22
+[125] Ida von Sachsen d: 31 Jul 1102 ref #: (Ä149-22)
14 [77] Count Godfrey de Namur b: Abt. 1067 d: 19 Aug 1139 ref #:
Ä246A-23
*2nd Wife of [77] Godfrey de Namur:
+[78] Ermesende de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1075 d: 1141 ref #: (Ä163-26)
14 [79] Adelaide de Namur b: 1068 d: 1124 ref #: Ä149-22A
+[80] Otto II de Chiny b: Abt. 1055 d: 28 Mar 1125 ref #:
(Ä149-22A)
11 Count Frederick de Verdun d: 6 Jan 1021/22
12 [84] Sophia de Verdun d: 1078
+[83] Count Louis II de Chiny d: 1068 ref #: S65-34
13 [81] Arnold II de Chiny b: Abt. 1025 d: 16 Apr 1106 ref #:
(Ä149-22A)
+[82] Adela de Rameru b: Abt. 1025 d: Abt. 1069 ref #: (Ä149-22A)
9 Luitgard de Chiny
+Count Eberhard III von Lahngau d: 10 May 966 ref #: S65-38
10 Count Arnold I von Lahngau d: 982 ref #: S65-37
+Mathilde de Chiny
11 [92] Count Otto I de Chiny b: Abt. 942 d: 1013 ref #: S65-36
*2nd Wife of [92] Otto I de Chiny:
+[91] Ermengarde de Namur
12 Count Louis I de Chiny d: 28 Sep 1025 ref #: S65-35
+Adelaide
13 [83] Count Louis II de Chiny d: 1068 ref #: S65-34
+[84] Sophia de Verdun d: 1078
*2nd Husband of Kunigunde von Francia:
+Richwin de Verdun d: 923
9 [85] Count Siegfried de Luxemburg b: Abt. 922 d: 15 Aug 998 ref #:
Ä143-19
+[86] Hedwig von Nordgau b: Abt. 930 d: 13 Dec 992
7 King Charles III de France b: 17 Sep 879 d: 7 Oct 929 ref #:
Ä148-17
*2nd Wife of Charles III de France:
+Edgiva of England b: 904 d: 951 ref #: (Ä148-17)
8 King Louis IV de France b: 919 d: 10 Sep 954 ref #: Ä148-18
+[103] Gerberge von Sachsen b: Abt. 913 d: 5 May 984 ref #:
Ä142-18
9 [118] Matilda Capet b: Abt. 943 d: Abt. 986 ref #: Ä157-19
+[117] King Conrad I de Bourgogne d: 19 Oct 993 ref #: (Ä133-19)
10 [87] Gerberga de Bourgogne b: 965 d: 1016 ref #: Ä157-20
+[88] Duke Hermann II von Schwaben b: Abt. 970 d: 4 May 1003 ref
#: (Ä157-20)
*2nd Husband of [87] Gerberga de Bourgogne:
10 Mathilda de Bourgogne ref #: Ä133-20
11 Bertha de Bourgogne ref #: Ä133-21
12 Count Gerald I de Geneva b: Bef. 1035 d: Abt. 1070 ref #: Ä133-22
13 [89] Johanna de Geneva d: Abt. 1095
+[90] Count Amadeus II de Savoy b: Abt. 1046 d: 26 Jan 1079/80 ref
#: S93-31
*2nd Wife of Gerald I de Geneva:
9 Duke Charles de Laon b: 953 d: 994 ref #: Ä148-19
+Adelheid ref #: (Ä148-19)
10 [153] Ermentrude de Lorraine b: Abt. 973 d: Aft. 1012 ref #:
Ä149-20
+[152] Count Adalbert I de Namur d: 1012 ref #: (Ä149-20)
11 [91] Ermengarde de Namur
+[92] Count Otto I de Chiny b: Abt. 942 d: 1013 ref #: S65-36
11 [93] Count Adalbert II de Namur b: Abt. 1000 d: 1064 ref #:
Ä149-21
+[94] Regelinde de Lorraine b: Abt. 994 d: 1064 ref #: (Ä149-21)
10 [102] Gerberge de Lorraine b: Abt. 975 d: Aft. 1017 ref #: Ä148-20
+[101] Lambert I de Louvain b: Abt. 950 d: 12 Sep 1015 ref #:
Ä155-20
11 [95] Lambert II de Louvain b: Abt. 991 d: Aft. 21 Sep 1062 ref #:
Ä155-21
+[96] Oda de Verdun d: 23 Oct 1044 ref #: (Ä155-21)
6 Judith de France b: Abt. 846 d: Aft. 870 ref #: Ä162-16
+King Æthelwulf of England b: Abt. 806 d: 13 Jan 857/58 ref #:
Ä1-14
*2nd Husband of Judith de France:
*3rd Husband of Judith de France:
+Count Baudouin I de Flanders d: 879 ref #: (Ä162-16)
7 Count Baudouin II de Flanders b: Abt. 865 d: 2 Jan 917/18 ref #:
Ä162-17
+Alfthryth of England b: Abt. 868 d: 7 Jun 929 ref #: Ä43-16
8 [97] Count Arnulf I de Flanders b: Abt. 890 d: 27 Mar 964 ref #:
Ä162-18
+[98] Adelaide de Vermandois b: Abt. 915 d: Abt. 959 ref #: Ä48-20
6 [151] Hersent de France ref #: (Ä140-17)
+[150] Duke Regnier I de Lorraine b: Abt. 850 d: Aft. 25 Oct 915
ref #: Ä140-17
7 Regnier II de Hainault b: Abt. 890 d: 932 ref #: Ä155-18
*2nd Wife of Regnier II de Hainault:
+Adelaide de Bourgogne b: Abt. 890 ref #: (Ä155-18)
8 Regnier III de Hainault b: Abt. 920 d: 973 ref #: Ä155-19
+Adele de Louvain b: Abt. 920 d: 961 ref #: (Ä155-19)
9 [99] Count Regnier IV de Hainault b: Abt. 950 d: 1013 ref #:
(Ä106-21)
+[100] Hedwig Capet b: Abt. 972 d: Aft. 1013 ref #: Ä106-21
9 [101] Lambert I de Louvain b: Abt. 950 d: 12 Sep 1015 ref #:
Ä155-20
+[102] Gerberge de Lorraine b: Abt. 975 d: Aft. 1017 ref #:
Ä148-20
7 Duke Giselbert de Lorraine b: Abt. 890 d: 939 ref #: Ä140-18
+[103] Gerberge von Sachsen b: Abt. 913 d: 5 May 984 ref #:
Ä142-18
8 [104] Gerberge de Lorraine b: Abt. 935 d: Aft. 978 ref #: Ä140-19
+[105] Count Albert I de Vermandois b: Abt. 920 d: 8 Sep 988 ref
#: Ä50-19
8 Alberade de Lorraine b: 930 d: 15 Mar 972/73 ref #: Ä151-19
+Renaud de Roucy b: Abt. 926 d: 15 Mar 972/73 ref #: (Ä151-19)
9 Giselbert de Roucy b: Abt. 956 d: 990 ref #: Ä151-20
10 [106] Ebles I de Roucy b: Abt. 988 d: 11 May 1033 ref #: Ä151-21
+[107] Beatrix de Hainault b: Abt. 997 ref #: Ä106-22
9 [122] Ermentrude de Roucy b: 958 d: 5 Mar 1004/05 ref #: S92-33
+Count Alberic II de Mâcon b: Bef. 952 d: Abt. 981 ref #: S101-33
10 Beatrix de Macon ref #: (Ä118-22)
+Geoffroy de Gatinais b: Abt. 970 d: 1000 ref #: (Ä118-22)
11 [108] Geoffrey II de Château-Landon b: Abt. 1004 d: 1 Apr 1046 ref
#: (Ä118-22)
+[54] Ermengarde de Anjou b: Abt. 1018 d: 21 Mar 1075/76 ref #:
Ä118-22
*2nd Husband of [122] Ermentrude de Roucy:
+[121] King Otto William de Lombardy b: Abt. 959 d: 21 Oct 1026
ref #: S94-33
10 Mathilda de Bourgogne d: 13 Nov 1005
+Count Landeric III de Nevers d: 11 May 1028 ref #: S255-34
11 [109] Count Renaud I de Nevers d: 29 May 1040 ref #: (Ä107-20)
+[110] Adele de France d: Abt. 1063 ref #: Ä107-21
10 [111] Count Renaud I de Bourgogne b: Abt. 990 d: 4 Sep 1057 ref #:
(Ä132-23)
+[112] Alix de Normandy b: 1003 ref #: Ä132-23
10 [113] Agnes de Bourgogne b: 995 d: 10 Nov 1068 ref #: S161-32
+[114] Guillaime V de Aquitaine b: Abt. 969 d: 31 Jan 1029/30 ref
#: Ä110-23
3 Count Eberhard de Paris ref #: S350-40
4 Count Begue II de Paris d: Aft. 23 Apr 861 ref #: S350-39
5 [115] Adelaide de Paris b: Abt. 858 d: Abt. 10 Nov 901 ref #:
(Ä148-16)
+[116] King Louis II of the Western Franks b: 844 d: 10 Apr 879
ref #: Ä143-16
3 Engeltrude de Paris ref #: Ä191-15
+Margrave Hunroch di Friuli d: Aft. 853 ref #: (Ä191-15)
4 [159] Eberhard di Friuli b: Abt. 812 d: 16 Dec 862 ref #: Ä191-16
+[158] Gisèle de France b: 820 d: 1 Jul 874 ref #: Ä146-15
5 Helwise de Friuli d: 936 ref #: Ä250-16
+Hucbold von Ostrevant d: Aft. 895
*2nd Husband of Helwise de Friuli:
5 Judith di Friuli d: Aft. 902
+Adalbert von Thurgau b: Abt. 837 d: Abt. 905 ref #: S345-40
6 Berkhard von Baar b: Abt. 865 d: 911 ref #: S345-39
7 Berkhard II von Swabia b: Abt. 885 d: 29 Apr 926 ref #: S345-38
+Regilinda von Thurgau
8 [138] Bertha von Swabia d: 2 Jan 965/66 ref #: (Ä133-19)
+[137] King Rudolph II de Bourgogne d: 11 Jul 937 ref #:
(Ä133-19)
9 [117] King Conrad I de Bourgogne d: 19 Oct 993 ref #: (Ä133-19)
+[118] Matilda Capet b: Abt. 943 d: Abt. 986 ref #: Ä157-19
*2nd Husband of Judith di Friuli:
+Margrave Konrad II de Bourgogne b: 825 d: Bef. 876 ref #:
(Ä155-18)
6 Adalgunde de Bourgogne d: Abt. 902 ref #: S389-38
+Count Erenfried I von Bliesgau d: Aft. 876
7 Count Eberhard von Bonngau ref #: S389-37
8 Count Dietrich von Drenthe d: Aft. 964 ref #: S389-36
+Amalrada von Hamalant
9 Count Hunroch von Tristerbaut d: Aft. 1026 ref #: S389-35
10 Count Godizo von Betuwe d: 1018 ref #: S389-34
+Bertha
11 Count Eberhard von der Betuwe und Tristerbaut ref #: (Ä155-22)
12 [119] Adelaide von der Betuwe b: Abt. 1045 d: Aft. 1086 ref #:
(Ä155-22)
+[120] Henry II de Louvain d: 1077 ref #: (Ä149-23)
5 King Berenger I di Italia b: 850 d: 7 Apr 924 ref #: Ä145-16
+Bertila di Spoleto b: Abt. 850 d: Dec 915 ref #: (Ä145-16)
6 [132] Gisèle di Friuli b: Abt. 881 d: 910 ref #: S269-37
+[131] Adelbert I di Ivrea b: Abt. 882 d: Abt. 924 ref #:
(Ä145-17)
7 [147] King Berenger II di Italia b: Abt. 905 d: 6 Aug 966 ref #:
Ä146-18
+[146] Willa de Arles d: Aft. 966 ref #: Ä145-19
8 King Adelbert II de Lombardy b: Abt. 936 d: Abt. 30 Mar 971 ref #:
S94-34
+Gerberga de Mâcon d: Abt. 989
9 [121] King Otto William de Lombardy b: Abt. 959 d: 21 Oct 1026 ref
#: S94-33
+[122] Ermentrude de Roucy b: 958 d: 5 Mar 1004/05 ref #: S92-33
*2nd Wife of [121] Otto William de Lombardy:
8 [32] Susanna di Italia b: Abt. 952 d: 26 Jan 1002/03 ref #: Ä145-19
+[123] Count Arnulf II de Flanders b: Abt. 961 d: 30 Mar 987 ref
#: Ä162-20
*2nd Husband of [32] Susanna di Italia:
+[124] King Robert II de France b: 27 Mar 972 d: 20 Jul 1031 ref
#: Ä53-21
*2nd Wife of Berenger I di Italia:
5 Margrave Hunroch III de Friuli b: Abt. 840 d: 874 ref #: S272-39
+Ava
6 Count Eberhard von Sulichgau ref #: S272-38
7 Judith di Friuli ref #: S272-37
+Duke Arnulf von Bavaria d: 14 Jul 937 ref #: S270-37
8 Margrave Berthold I von Babenberg b: Abt. 915 d: 15 Jan 979/80 ref
#: S270-36
+Eiliswinta von Walbeck d: 19 Aug 1015 ref #: S271-36
9 Heinrich von Schweinfurt b: 975 d: 18 Sep 1017 ref #: (Ä149-22)
+Gerberga von Henneburg ref #: S102-35
10 Elicia von Schweinfurt d: Aft. 1055 ref #: ES I.1:11
+Duke Bernard II von Sachsen b: Abt. 995 d: 29 Jun 1059 ref #:
(Ä149-22)
11 [125] Ida von Sachsen d: 31 Jul 1102 ref #: (Ä149-22)
+[126] Count Adalbert III de Namur b: Bef. 1035 d: 22 Jun 1102 ref
#: Ä149-22
11 [127] Gertrude von Sachsen b: Abt. 1030 d: 4 Aug 1113 ref #:
(Ä101-23)
+[128] Florenz I de Holland d: 28 Jun 1061 ref #: (Ä101-23)
*2nd Husband of [127] Gertrude von Sachsen:
8 Count Luitpold I von Bavaria b: Abt. 932 d: 10 Jul 994 ref #:
S63-36
+Richwara von Sualafeld
9 [129] Duke Ernst I von Babenburg d: 31 May 1015 ref #: S63-35
+[130] Gisèla von Swabia b: 11 Nov 995 d: 14 Feb 1042/43 ref #:
Ä157-21
4 Count Amadeus de Bourgogne d: Aft. 827 ref #: S331-39
5 Anscar II de Orcheret d: Abt. 895 ref #: S331-38
+Giselle
6 [131] Adelbert I di Ivrea b: Abt. 882 d: Abt. 924 ref #: (Ä145-17)
+[132] Gisèle di Friuli b: Abt. 881 d: 910 ref #: S269-37
*2nd Wife of [131] Adelbert I di Ivrea:
*2nd Wife of Charlemagne:
+Hildegarde von Linzgau b: 758 d: 30 Apr 783 ref #: Ä182-5
2 King Pepin di Lombardy b: Apr 773 d: 8 Jul 810 ref #: Ä50-14
+ ref #: (Ä50-14)
3 King Bernard di Italia b: Abt. 797 d: 17 Apr 818 ref #: Ä50-15
+Cunigunde d: 15 Jun 835 ref #: (Ä50-15)
4 Count Pepin de Peronne b: Abt. 817 d: Aft. 840 ref #: Ä50-16
5 Pepin de Senlis de Valois
6 Pepin de Senlis II
5 [133] Count Herbert I de Vermandois b: Abt. 840 d: Abt. 903 ref #:
Ä50-17
+[134] Beatrice de Morvois b: Abt. 845 ref #: (Ä50-17)
2 Bertha de France b: 776 d: 826 ref #: S244-43
+Augilbert d: 814
3 Nithard d: 823 ref #: S244-42
4 Heligaud d: Abt. 866 ref #: S244-41
5 Herlouin d: Abt. 878 ref #: S244-40
6 Count Heligaud de Montreuil d: Aft. 878 ref #: S244-39
7 Hildouin b: Abt. 910
8 Hildouin de Breteuil b: Abt. 965 d: 18 May 1060
9 Adelaide de Breteuil b: 980
+Count Raoul II de Vexin b: Abt. 985 d: 1040 ref #: S268-34
10 [135] Raoul III de Valois b: 1025 d: 8 Sep 1074 ref #: (Ä50-22)
+[136] Adele de Bar-sur-Aube d: 1053 ref #: S108-33
2 King Louis I de France b: Aug 778 d: 20 Jun 840 ref #: Ä140-14
+Ermengarde de Hesbaye b: Abt. 777 d: 3 Oct 818 ref #: (Ä140-14)
3 Emperor Lothair I of the West b: Abt. 795 d: 29 Sep 855 ref #:
Ä140-15
+Ermengarde de Orleans b: Abt. 795 d: 20 Mar 850/51 ref #:
(Ä140-15)
4 Emperor Louis II of the West b: Abt. 823 d: 12 Aug 855 ref #:
Ä141B-16
+Engelberge de Alsace d: Abt. 900 ref #: (Ä141B-16)
5 Ermengarde b: Abt. 855 d: Bef. 2 Apr 897 ref #: Ä141B-17
+King Boso II de Provence d: 887 ref #: (Ä141B-17)
6 Willa de Vienne d: 14 Jun 929 ref #: S343-38
+King Rudolph I de Bourgogne d: 25 Oct 912 ref #: S175-36
7 [137] King Rudolph II de Bourgogne d: 11 Jul 937 ref #: (Ä133-19)
+[138] Bertha von Swabia d: 2 Jan 965/66 ref #: (Ä133-19)
6 Emperor Louis III Beronides of the West b: Abt. 883 d: 5 Jun 928
ref #: Ä141B-18
*2nd Wife of Louis III Beronides of the West:
+Anna of Byzantium b: Abt. 887 d: Abt. 914 ref #: Ä141A-17
7 [143] Count Charles Constantine de Vienne b: Abt. 901 d: Abt. Jan
961/62 ref #: Ä141A-18
+[142] Teutberge de Troyes d: Aft. 960 ref #: (Ä141A-18)
8 Constance de Provence d: Abt. 963 ref #: (Ä141A-19)
+Count Boso II de Provence d: Abt. 966 ref #: (Ä141A-19)
9 Count Guillaume I de Provence b: 950 d: 994 ref #: Ä141A-20
*2nd Wife of Guillaume I de Provence:
+Adelaide de Anjou b: Abt. 942 d: 1026 ref #: (Ä141A-20)
10 [139] Constance de Provence b: Abt. 986 d: 25 Jul 1032 ref #:
Ä141A-21
+[124] King Robert II de France b: 27 Mar 972 d: 20 Jul 1031 ref
#: Ä53-21
9 Count Rotbaud de Provence b: Bef. 962 d: Bef. 22 Apr 1015 ref #:
S375-33
+Ermengarde d: 22 Aug 1057
10 Emma de Provence ref #: (Ä185-2)
+Count William III de Toulouse d: Oct 1037 ref #: (Ä185-2)
11 [167] Count Pons III de Toulouse b: Abt. 990 d: 1060 ref #:
(Ä185-2)
+[166] Almode de la Haute Marche d: 17 Nov 1073 ref #: (Ä185-2)
12 Guillaume IV de Toulouse b: Abt. 1040 d: 1093 ref #: (Ä185-2)
+Emma de Mortain b: Abt. 1058 d: 1080 ref #: Ä185-2
13 [140] Philippa de Toulouse b: Abt. 1073 d: 28 Nov 1117 ref #:
Ä185-3
*2nd Husband of [140] Philippa de Toulouse:
+[141] Guillaime IX de Aquitaine b: 22 Oct 1071 d: 10 Feb 1126/27
ref #: Ä110-24
4 King Lothar II de Lorraine b: 827 d: 8 Aug 869 ref #: Ä145-16
*2nd Wife of Lothar II de Lorraine:
+Waldrada b: Abt. 824 d: Aft. 868 ref #: (Ä145-16)
5 Gisela de Lorraine b: Abt. 863 d: Bef. 26 Oct 907
+King Godefrid of Haithabu b: Abt. 834 d: Aft. 873 ref #: S217-38
5 Bertha de Lorraine b: 863 d: 8 Mar 924/25 ref #: Ä145-17
+Count Theobald de Arles d: Bef. 896 ref #: (Ä145-17)
6 Teutberga de Arles d: Bef. 30 Sep 948 ref #: S174-37
+Count Garnier de Troyes b: Abt. 868 d: 925 ref #: S173-37
7 [142] Teutberge de Troyes d: Aft. 960 ref #: (Ä141A-18)
+[143] Count Charles Constantine de Vienne b: Abt. 901 d: Abt. Jan
961/62 ref #: Ä141A-18
7 Count Hugh de Vienne b: Abt. 900 d: Abt. 948 ref #: S173-36
+Willa de Bourgogne
8 Theutberga de Vienne d: Aft. 13 Apr 1013
+Count Artaud II de Forez d: 11 Feb 999/00 ref #: S317-34
9 Count Geraud II de la Forez b: Bef. 1008 d: 1058 ref #: S317-33
+Adelaide
10 Count Artaud IV de Forez b: 1029 d: Bef. 1078 ref #: (Ä107-22)
+Ida Raimonde de la Forez b: 1033
11 [144] Ida Raimonde de Lyon b: 1055 ref #: (Ä107-22)
+[145] Renaud II de Nevers b: Abt. 1046 d: 5 Aug 1089 ref #:
Ä107-22
*2nd Husband of [144] Ida Raimonde de Lyon:
6 Count Boso de Arles b: 885 d: 936 ref #: Ä145-18
+Willa d'Tuscany ref #: (Ä145-18)
7 [146] Willa de Arles d: Aft. 966 ref #: Ä145-19
+[147] King Berenger II di Italia b: Abt. 905 d: 6 Aug 966 ref #:
Ä146-18
*2nd Husband of Bertha de Lorraine:
+Adalbert II de Lucca d: Aug 915 ref #: S198-40
6 Gui de Lucca d: Abt. 929 ref #: S93-37
+Marozia d'Roma d: Abt. 934
7 Margrave Adalbert III de Tuscany b: Aft. 900 d: Abt. 955 ref #:
S93-36
8 Count Alberto Azzo de Lucca d: Abt. 975 ref #: S93-35
+Guilla de Spoleto
9 Count Humbert I di Genoa ref #: S93-34
+Railinda
10 Bertha di Este d: 29 Dec 1037 ref #: S93-33
+Odalrico Manfredo II di Torino-Albenza b: 1000 d: 23 Dec 1035 ref
#: (Ä45-23)
11 [148] Adelaide von Susa b: Abt. 1015 d: 14 Dec 1091 ref #:
(Ä45-23)
+[149] Duke Hermann IV von Swabia b: Abt. 1015 d: 28 Jul 1038 ref
#: S63-34
*2nd Husband of [148] Adelaide von Susa:
4 Ermengarde de Lorraine b: Abt. 830 ref #: Ä140-16
+Count Giselbert von Maasgau b: Bef. 840 d: Abt. 885 ref #:
Ä240-16
5 [150] Duke Regnier I de Lorraine b: Abt. 850 d: Aft. 25 Oct 915 ref
#: Ä140-17
+[151] Hersent de France ref #: (Ä140-17)
*2nd Wife of [150] Regnier I de Lorraine:
+Albrada de Mons b: Abt. 870 d: Aft. 916 ref #: (Ä140-17)
6 ref #: S403-37
+Count Berenger de Namur b: Bef. 907 d: 946
7 Count Robert I de Namur b: Bef. 946 d: 981 ref #: (Ä149-20)
+Ermengarde de Lorraine
8 [152] Count Adalbert I de Namur d: 1012 ref #: (Ä149-20)
+[153] Ermentrude de Lorraine b: Abt. 973 d: Aft. 1012 ref #:
Ä149-20
3 ref #: Ä144A-15
+Gerard I de Auvergne d: 25 Jun 841 ref #: (Ä144A-15)
4 Ranulf I de Aquitaine b: 820 d: Oct 866 ref #: Ä144A-16
*2nd Wife of Ranulf I de Aquitaine:
+ ref #: (Ä144A-16)
5 Ranulf II de Aquitaine b: Abt. 855 d: 5 Aug 890 ref #: Ä144A-17
*2nd Wife of Ranulf II de Aquitaine:
+Ermengarde ref #: (Ä144A-18)
6 Elbes de Aquitaine d: 932 ref #: Ä144A-18
*2nd Wife of Elbes de Aquitaine:
+Emiliane ref #: (Ä144A-18)
7 Guillaime III de Aquitaine b: Abt. 925 d: 3 Apr 963 ref #: Ä144A-19
+Gerloc de Normandy d: Abt. 14 Oct 962 ref #: (Ä144A-19)
8 [154] Guillaime IV de Aquitaine b: Abt. 937 d: 3 Feb 994/95 ref #:
Ä144A-19
+[155] Emma de Blois ref #: S340-34
8 [156] Adelaide de Poitou b: 945 d: Abt. 1004 ref #: Ä144A-20
+[157] King Hugues Capet de France b: 941 d: 24 Oct 996 ref #:
Ä53-20
*2nd Wife of Louis I de France:
+Judith von Bavaria b: Abt. 800 d: 19 Apr 843 ref #: (Ä140-14)
3 [158] Gisèle de France b: 820 d: 1 Jul 874 ref #: Ä146-15
+[159] Eberhard di Friuli b: Abt. 812 d: 16 Dec 862 ref #: Ä191-16
3 [160] King Charles II de France b: 13 Jun 828 d: 6 Oct 877 ref #:
Ä148-15
+[161] Ermentrude de Orleans b: 27 Sep 830 d: 6 Oct 869 ref #:
(Ä148-15)
*2nd Wife of [160] Charles II de France:
+Richeut de Metz ref #: (Ä49-16)
4 Roheut de France b: Abt. 870 d: 22 Mar 927/28 ref #: Ä49-17
+Count Hugh de Bourges b: Abt. 862 d: 892 ref #: (Ä49-17)
5 Richilde de Bourges ref #: Ä49-18
+Theobald I de Chartres d: 904 ref #: (Ä49-18)
6 [162] Theobald II de Blois b: Abt. 910 d: 16 Jan 974/75 ref #:
Ä49-19
+[163] Luitgarde de Vermandois b: Abt. 917 d: Aft. 978 ref #:
Ä136-19
*2nd Husband of Roheut de France:
+Count Roger du Maine d: Aft. 31 Oct 900
5 Count Hugh I du Maine d: Abt. 935 ref #: S357-35
6 Count Hugh II du Maine b: Bef. 940 d: Abt. 992 ref #: S357-34
7 Count Hugh III du Maine b: Bef. 968 d: Abt. 1015 ref #: S357-33
8 Count Herbert du Maine d: 13 Apr 1036 ref #: S357-32
9 Paula du Maine ref #: S357-31
+Jean I de la Fleche d: 1097 ref #: S313-31
10 Helie de la Fleche d: 11 Jul 1110 ref #: (Ä118-24)
+Matilde de Château-du-Loir d: 1099 ref #: S354-30
11 [164] Erembourge de Mans b: Abt. 1096 d: 1126 ref #: (Ä118-24)
+[165] King of Jerusalem Foulques V de Anjou b: 1092 d: 10 Nov
1143 ref #: Ä118-24
3 Hildegarde de Francia
+Count Gerhard de Auvergne
4
+Fulk de Limoges d: 886 ref #: S328-39
5 Vicomte Hildebert de Limoges b: Abt. 835 d: Aft. 875 ref #: S328-38
*2nd Wife of Hildebert de Limoges:
+Adaltrude
6 Vicomte Hildegar de Limoges b: Abt. 864 d: Aft. 26 Mar 937 ref #:
S328-37
+Tietberga de Bourges
7 Vicomte Geraud de Limoges d: Aft. 990 ref #: S328-36
+Rothilde de Brosse d: 27 Oct 1025
8 Almode de la Limoges d: Abt. 1009 ref #: S328-35
+Count Adalbert I de la Haute Marche d: 997 ref #: S327-34
9 Bernard de la Haute Marche d: 1047 ref #: (Ä185-2)
+Amelia de Montignac
10 [166] Almode de la Haute Marche d: 17 Nov 1073 ref #: (Ä185-2)
+[167] Count Pons III de Toulouse b: Abt. 990 d: 1060 ref #:
(Ä185-2)
*2nd Husband of [166] Almode de la Haute Marche:
*3rd Husband of [166] Almode de la Haute Marche:
10 Count Adalbert III de la Marche b: Abt. 1040 d: 1086
+Poncia d: Aft. 1075
11 Adelmode de la Marche d: 1116
+Roger de Montgomery
12 [168] Pancia de la Marche b: Abt. 1109
+[169] Count Wulgrin II de Angoulême b: Abt. 1089 d: 16 Nov 1140
ref #: (Ä153-26)
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Simon Pugh
<EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM> writes
Thanks to Ed Mann for that very helpful reply however I still have a
problem with one element of the line.
Hawise Paynel m. John de Somery
Isabel de Beaumont m. Sir Gervaise Paynel
Robert de Beaumont 2nd Earl of Leicester m. Amice dau. of Ralph
de Gael
Isabel de Vermandois m. Sir Robert Beaumont later Earl of
Leicester
The entry in the Complete Peerage on Paynel vol X p320, seems ambiguous
to me, I think the intention is that Hawise is the sister of Gervaise in
which case the line is broken.
Quote - Ralph son of Fulk Paynel was an adherent of the Empress Maud.
His son Gervaise... also held land...in Normandy. He married after Aug
1153 Isabel... He d. before Mich. 1194, when, his s. Robert having d. in
his lifetime, his heir was his nephew Ralph de Somery, son of John de
Somery by his sister Hawise.
Does any one have any further inforamation on this? The entry on de
Somery also seem uncertain of the relationship between Hawise and
Gervaise.
--
Simon Pugh