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De Lepervanche: A Possible New French-Canadian Gateway
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Josiah de la Motte
May 24, 2021, 1:50:12 AM5/24/21
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Hello everyone,
Lately I’ve been doing research on an interesting descent for a French-Canadian ancestor: Charles-François Mézières de Lepervanche, Captain of a detachment of French Marines to Philip of Swabia, King of the Romans. The line is very solid in my opinion except for generations nine and ten, which combine a later work without citations with negative evidence and hommages linking property holdings over several generations. I understand that more work may be required to solidify these, but I’d like to ask for feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of this proposed line. I welcome any and all comments.
Thanks,
Josiah de la Motte
1. Charles François Méziéres de l’Espervanche = Louise Suzanne Nolan
An entry in a register for the parish of Boisset-les-Prévanches states that Charles-François, son of Henry de Mésiére Seigneur de Rosnay and of Marie Trevet, was was baptized 31 July 1695.
[“Registres Paroissiaux”, entry for Charles-François de Mésiére, 31 July 1695 digital images, archives.eure.fr(https://archives.eure.fr/ark:/26335/a011440745420qWpsMS/494c3b7474); Archives Départementales de l’Eure, “Boisset-les-Prévanches, 1622-1743” cote 8 Mi 588. Accessed 11 May 2021].
A marriage contract dated Monday, 10 December 1725 states that Charles-François de Méziére, Écuyer, “Chevalier de l’Espervanche”, Ensign in a company of Marines in Canada, son of deceased Henry de Méziére, Chevalier, Seigneur de Rosnsay, and of deceased Marie Trevet, was to marry Damoiselle Louise-Suzanne Nolan (daughter of deceased Jean-Baptiste Nolan, a local bourgeois).
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, entry for Méziéres, digital images, 141 of 481, Gallica.bnf.fr(https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100835845/f141.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 237, BnF Fr. #31462. Accessed 10 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of L'Assomption de Sandwich de Windsor in Detroit states that François de Lepervanche, son of Henry, Seigneur de Lepervanche and of Marie Trevet, married Louise-Suzanne Nolan on 17 October 1725
[“Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968”, (transcribed) entry for François de Lepervanche, 17 October 1725, digital image (3 of 45) Ancestry.com (https://bit.ly/3yHxMzR); Institut Généalogique Drouin; Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada; Détroit, L`Assomption de Sandwich de Windsor, Michigan, USA; 1710-1801. Accessed 11 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of Notre-Dame-de-LaPrairie-de-la-Madeleine in Montreal states that Charles François Mesiere, de Lepervanche, écuyer, Seigneur de Lepervanche, and Captain of a detachment of marines was buried on 21 December 1750, aged about 55.
[“Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968”, entry for Charles François Mesiere, 21 October 1750, digital image (212 of 302) Ancestry.com (https://bit.ly/3ywr13v); Institut Généalogique Drouin; Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada; La Prairie, Québec, Notre-Dame-de-LaPrairie-de-la-Madeleine; 1747-1752. Accessed 11 May 2021].
2. Henry de Mésiéres, Seigneur de l’Espervanche = Marie de Trevet
A marriage contract dated Monday, 16 October 1684 states that Henry de Mésiéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de l’Espervanche, son of deceased Jean de Mésiéres, Seigneur of the same, and of Jeanne de Lux, was to marry Damoiselle Marie de Trevet.
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, entry for Méziéres, digital images, 143 of 481, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100835845/f143.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 237, BnF Fr. #31462. Accessed 10 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of Boisset-les-Prévanches states that Henry de Mésiéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de Léprevanche, was buried in the parish cemetery on 1 April 1704 [“Registres Paroissiaux”, entry for Henry de Mésiéres, 1 April 1704 digital images, archives.eure.fr(https://archives.eure.fr/ark:/26335/a011440745420qWpsMS/ea12f979a7); Archives Départementales de l’Eure, “Boisset-les-Prévanches, 1622-1691”, cote 8 Mi 588. Accessed 11 May 2021].
3. Jeanne de Lux = Jean-Baptiste de Méziéres, Seigneur de Lespervanches
A marriage contract dated 6 June 1653 states that Jean-Baptiste de Méziéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de Lespervanches was to marry Damoiselle Jeanne de Lux, daughter of deceased Jacques de Lux, Chevalier, Seigneur de Vantelet, and “gentilhomme ordinaire” to the Queen of England and of Marguerite de Courtin his widow.
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, cited above].
4. Jacques de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler = Margeurite de Courtin
A marriage contract dated Wednesday, 7 June 1617 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Jacques de Lux, écuyer and Seigneur de Venteler, son of Robert de Lux and his his wife Marie de Plaisance, was to marry Marguerite Courtin.
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, Lumagne- Luzignan, entry for Lux, digital images, 125 of 191, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080177j/f126.item); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 219, BnF Fr. #31100. Accessed 10 May 2021]
5. Robert de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler = Marie de Plaisance
A marriage contract dated Monday, 16 April 1584 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Robert de Lux, écuyer and Seigneur de Venteler, son of Sébastien de Lux and his widow Ambroise Boucher, was to marry Marie de Plaisance [Cabinet de d’Hozier, cited above, image 126].
6. Ambroise Boucher = Sébastien de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler
A marriage contract dated Friday, 31 January 1560 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Sébastien de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler, was to marry Ambroise Boucher, “fille noble” of Guillaume Boucher, “Acocat en la Cour de Parlement” and “prévost de Chevreuse” and of Damoiselle Daufine Allegrin.
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, cited above, image 126].
7. Guillaume Boucher, avocat au Parlement = Daufine Allegrin
A 1667 genealogical memoir mentions a partition dated 23 February 1537 between Guillaume Boucher, Seigneur de Limons, Avocat au Parlement, and Nicholas Boucher, Seigneur de Marcelly. It goes on to state that they were brothers to Raymond Boucher, Seigneur de Saint Aubin and Philippes Boucher, Seigneur de Louans. It also mentions a transaction dated 6 Deceased 1527 which confirms that Philippes Boucher, Seigneur de Fossus, and Raimond Boucher, Seigneur de Saint Aulbin were sons of deceased Adam Boucher, “nottaire du roi”
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Boucher-Boudret, entry for Boucher, digital images, 116 of 362, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083503d/f116.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 57, BnF Fr. #31282. Accessed 10 May 2021].
Proving that Guillaume Boucher, Seigneur de Limons and Avocat au Parlement found in this document was the same Guillaume Boucher, Avocat au Parlement and prêvot de Chevreuse named as the father of Ambroise Boucher in the previous generation is a legal verdict given on 9 December 1553 by Guillaume Boucher, prêvot de Chevreuse, “avocat en Parlement” and Seigneur of “Limours” (1) concerning the disposition of the fief of Etuves
[Auguste Moutié, Chevreuse: Recherches Historiques (Rambouillet: Imprimerie de Raynal, 1876) part 2, pg. 501 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chevreuse_ptie_Chatelains_barons_et_ducs/MI4IAQA AIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
(1)The name of this seigneurie seems close enough to that of ”Limons” mentioned previously for it to have been the same.
8. Marie Poignant = Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi
The parentage of Marie Poignant, wife of Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi, is attested to by the following homages rendered to the Chambre de Comtes in Paris:
Hommage dated 7 March 1483 for the fief of Andrezel by Pierre Poignant le jeune, conseiller au parlement (2).
Hommage dated 30 October 1489 for the fief of Granges-le-Roi by Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comptes, in lieu of his wife, Catherine Poignant, daughter of Pierre Poignant l’aîné (3).
Hommage dated 21 October 1501 for the fief of Andrezel by Ragonde de Hacqueville, widow of Pierre Poignant (4).
Hommage dated 25 October 1501 for the fief of Andrezel by Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi and Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comtes, in lieu of their wives, Marie and Catherine Poignant, daughters of Pierre Poignant (5).
Hommage dated 25 October 1501 for the fief of Athis-sur-Orge by maître Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi and by Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comtes, in lieu of their wives, Marie and Catherine Poignant, heirs to their brother Pierre Poignant, conseiller au parlement (6).
A pedigree for the family Boucher d’Orçay states that documents dated 17 January and 29 September 1492 give Marie Poignant as the wife of Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi.
[Dossiers Bleus, “ Bossut-Bouchenu”, entry for Boucher, digital images, 155 of 422, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080767d/f155.item); Cabinet des Titres, Dossiers Bleus no. 114, BnF Fr. 29659. Accessed 23 May 2021.].
In October 1504, Marie Poignant, widow of Adam Boucher, was mentioned in relation to the Seigneurie of Louans
[Jean Lebeuf, Histoire Du Diocese De Paris (Paris: Prault Pere, 157) pg. 90https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_Du_Diocese_De_Paris/RB5WAAAAcAAJ?hl =en&gbpv=0 Accessed 11 May 2021].
(2) Jean-Pierre Babelon and Léon Mirot, Chambre des comptes de Paris. Série P. Hommages rendus à la chambre de France (XIVe-XVIe siècles) (Pierrefitte-sur-Seine: Archives nationales, 1982) “Tome II : Additif au tome I”, pgs. 224- 225 https://www.siv.archives- nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/rechercheconsultation/consultation/ir/pdfIR.action?irId=FRAN_IR_001395
(3) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) pg. 138
(4) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) pg. 225
(5) Babel and Mirot (cited above) pg. 225
(6) Jean-Pierre Babelon and Léon Mirot, Hommages rendus à la chambre de France (XIVe-XVIe siècles) (Paris: Archives nationales, 1982) vol. 1, pg. 8 https://www.geni.com/profile/documents/6000000175432544728
9. Pierre Poignant “l’aîné”, maître des requêtes = Ragonde de Hacqueville
The book ‘Les Presidens au mortier du Parlement de Paris’ by François Blanchard [(Paris, 1647: Cardin Besogne, pg. 31) https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Presidens_au_mortier_du_Parlement_de/bnnDlS _eJ0kC?hl=en&gbpv=0]
states that the conseiller Pierre Poignant “le jeune” was received 8 March 1477 (afterwards becoming a maître des requêtes), and was the son of Philippe Poignant and Jeanne de Montenay “de la maison de Garencières” (7). The book also states that he was the husband of Radegonde (or Ragonde in the homages) d’Hacqueville and father of the Charlotte, Marie, and Catherine Poignant documented as children of Pierre Poignant “l’aîné” in the homages referenced in the previous set of proofs. Yet we have already established by homages dated 1483, 1489, and 1501 that Pierre “le jeune”, conseiller au parlement by 1483, was the brother of Charlotte, Marie, and Catherine, who were in turn daughters of Pierre Poignant, “l’aîné”. In addition, we know that this Pierre Poignant l’aîné was both a conseiller au parlement and a maître des requêtes by 1467 when he rendered the homage mentioned in the subsequent set of proofs. Therefore, whatever original document it was that stated that Pierre Poignant, conseiller au parlement and maître des requêtes was the son of Philippe Poignant and Jeanne de Montenay, it must almost certainly have been referred to Pierre Poignant “l’aîné”.
(7) Which original document it was that contained this information is unclear. Several original 15th and early-16th Century registers of the Parlement in Paris were searched without results, specifically the ones cited in: Édouard Maugis, Histoire du Parlement de Paris (Paris: Auguste Picard, 1916) vol.3 pg. 112 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k63083f/f160.item]. Maugis also cited BnF Ms. Fr.# 7555 (18th Century), a published form of which was consulted. It again stated that Pierre Poignant “le jeune” was the son of Philippe Poignant, ”chancelier du roy de Navarre”, and of Jeanne de Montenay, “de la maison de Garencière” [Michel Popoff, Prosopographie des gens du parlement de Paris (Paris: Léopard d’Or, 2003) vol. 2 pgs. 802-803].
10. Philippe Poignant, chancelier du roi de Navarre = Jeanne de Montenay
The parentage of Jeanne de Montenay, wife of Philippe Poignant, chancelier du roi de Navarre, is not explicitly stated in any document found so far. It is, however, possible to narrow down possible candidates to a single couple.
The 1647 compendium mentioned in the previous set of proofs states that Jeanne de Montenay was “of the house of Garencières”. A 1681 genealogy contained in Cabinet des Titres state that “Guillaume de Montenai, III du nom, Seigneur de Bérangeville et Baron du Hómet, aquit à ses descendans toute la riche succession de l’illustre maison de Garencieres, par le mariage qu’il fit avec Marie, baróne de Garencieres et de Fauxquernon et Dame de Fontenai-le Marmion...” it then states that there were three children born to this union; namely Jean, Guillaume, and Jeanne, wife of Jean DuBois, Seigneur de l’Epinait. It then states that Jean died in 1416 according to an arrête du parlement
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, “Montcornet-Montferrand”, entry for Montenai, digital images, 89-91 of 245, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080213n/f89.item.zoom); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 244, BnF Fr. 31125. Accessed 8 May 2021.].
This Jean de Montenay apparently died without having any children, because in a document dated April 1419 (cited in the succeeding generation), Guillaume de Montenay is qualified Seigneur de Montenay, of Garencières, and of Gommet, three titles which had pertained to his brother Jean in a prior document (8). This leaves Guillaume as the only member of this branch of the family and of the correct generation to be the father of Jeanne de Montenay. According to the 1681 genealogy, Jeanne de Férières was his only known spouse, and outlived her husband (see the subsequent generation). Moreover, the relationship between Jeanne de Montenay wife of Philippe Poignant and the de Montenay of the “House of Garencières” can be further established by linking the fiefs of Athis-sur-Orge, Souplainville, and Tillières, jointly held by Jean de Montenay, Seigneur et Baron de Garencières, son of Guillaume and Jeanne de Férières, and by his Poignant relatives, as is evidenced by the following homages:
Hommage dated 3 October 1445 for the fief of Souplainville (together with other fiefs) by Jean, Seigneur de Montenay and de Milly (9).
Hommage dated 5 September 1461 for the “terre et seigneurie de Tillières, en la prévôté de Paris, mouvant de Meulan”, by Jean de Montenay, écuyer, seigneur et baron de Garencières (10).
Lettres de Soufrance (a feudal document allowing deferred payment of hommage) dated 2 May 1467 for the “fief, terre, et seigneurie” of Athis-sur-Orge11, “mouvant de la châtellenie de Châteaufort ou de Montlhéry”, for the fief of Falaise à Épône, “mouvant de la châtellenie de Meulan” and for the “terres et fiefs de Tillières et Soupplainville avec justice haute, moyenne et basse, mouvant de la châtellenie de Poissy” given to Pierre Poignant, conseiller et maître des requêtes ordinaire de l'Hôtel (12).
Hommage dated 5 September 1467 for Athis-sur-Orge, “mouvant de la prévôté de Paris”, by Jean de Montenay, Seigneur et Baron de Garencières (13) .
The homages above make a convincing case both for the existence of Jeanne de Montenay, wife of Philippe Poignant, and that she was a daughter of Guillaume de Montenay and, crucially, of his only wife Jeanne de Férières.
(8) Pièces Originales, “Montenay”, digital images, 55 of 180, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10081728j/f55.item); Cabinet des Titres, Pièces Originales no. 2014, BnF Fr. #28498. Accessed 26 April 2021
(9) Société Archéologique de Rambouillet, Mémoires et Documents (Rambouillet: Librairie de Raynal, 1881) vol. 5, pg. 328 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mémoires/NGFMAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
(10) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) tome II (additif) pg. 68
(11) Ownership of the fief of Athis-sur-Orge can be traced back even further to Jean’s father Guillaume, who is very likely the ”sieur de Montenay“ who lost it to the English after they captured Paris and the surrounding area in 1420. This document from 1425 refers to it as being among the estates confiscated in this manner.
[Auguste Lognan Paris pendant la domination anglaise (Paris: H. Champion, 1878) pgs. 35, 171- 174 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Paris_pendant_la_domination_anglaise_142/QYZPAKcrjGYC?hl=en&gbpv =0]
(12) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) tome II (additif) pg. 15 13 Babelon and Mirot (cited above) vol. 1, pg. 8
(13) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) vol. 1, pg. 8
11. Jeanne de Ferrieres = Guillaume de Montenay
On ? April, 1419, Guillaume, Seigneur de Montenay and Chamberlain to the Dauphin, signed an order on the royal treasury
[“Pièces Originales, Montenay”, digital images, 62 of 180, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10081728j/f62.item); Cabinet des Titres, Pièces Originales no. 2014, BnF Fr. #28498. Accessed 26 April 2021].
According to a dispatch dated 14 August, 1424, the “Seigneur de Montenay” was among those killed at the Battle of Verneuil [Richard A. Newhall, The English Conquest of Normandy, 1416- 1424 (New Haven: Yale Uni. Press, 1924, pgs. 319-320). https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_English_Conquest_of_Normandy_1416_14/IbVVA AAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1].
Pgs. 11-12 of the 1681 genealogy previously cited state that, according to an “arrêt du Parlément” from 1425, Jeanne de Ferrieres, widow of Guillaume de Montenay, had married Guillaume in 1411. Pg. 12also mentions a 1459 legal dispute between Jeanne and her brother, Jean, Seigneur et Baron de Ferrieres, involving her dowry, which was to have consisted of 600 livres paid from the seigneuries of “Montfort” and Vibraïe. The 1402 “playdoyrie” quoted in the succeeding states that among the seigneuries that had belonged to Guillaume de Harcourt were those of “Montfort” and Vibraye, which are notably the same seigneuries from which Jeanne’s dowry was to be taken (du Chesnay, cited above, pg. 357).
Finally, the father-daughter relationship between Jean, Seigneur et Baron de Ferrieres who married Marguerite de Harcourt and Jeanne, wife of Guillaume de Montenay, is stated directly in a pedigree of the House of Ferrieres found in Cabinet D’Hozier. [Cabinet de d’Hozier, Fera- Ferriol”, entry for Ferrières, digital images, 182 of 206, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080607j/f182.item); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 138, BnF Fr. #31019. Accessed 26 April 2021]. It should also be noted that Marguerite de Harcourt outlived her husband (see subsequent generation) and was his only known wife.
Marguerite de Harcourt = Jean de Ferrières
A 1401 extract from the “registres de la Cour de Parlement de Paris” stated:
Petronilla de Villaribus domina de Feritate Imbaudi relicta defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria quondam militis et domini dicti loci, contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannem dominum de Ferreriis milites, necnon Colardum de Estouteville ad causam uxorum suarum heredum dicti defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria Maria de Haricuria uxor dicti Colardi defuncta.
Another from the same year states:
Dilectus et fidelis cambellanus noster Ioannes dominus de Ferreriis miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor, contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem et Colardum de Estoutevilla dominum de Torciaco et de Beina, vatione successionis defunctæ Mariæ de Haricuria uxoris dicti Colardi sororis uxorum dictorum militum: que inter se partigium seccrant de successione omnium benorum defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria militis dominis de Feritate Imbaudi”
A “Playdoierie” extracted from the same registers dated 7 April 1402 states:
Ioannes dominus de Ferrieres miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem... inter partes concordatum super successione dicti Guillelmi”
[du Chesnay, cited above, pgs. 356-357].
Letters from the Chambre des comtes dated 19 November 1424 mention Marguerite de Harcourt, widow of Jehan de Ferières, “Seigneur et Baron” of the same
[M. Léopold Delisle Preuves Généalogiques et Historiques de la maison de Harcourt (Paris: Honoré Champion, 1907) pgs. 161-162 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Preuves_généalogique_et_historique_de/j3UtNeIu2zg C?hl=en&gbpv=0]
For proof of Marguerite’s relationship to her mother, Blanche de Bray, see the subsequent generation.
12. Guillaume de Harcourt = Blanche de Bray
A manuscript history of the Harcourt family by “Monsieur le Prevost chanoine de Rouen” states:
Ionnes &c. Comes uxorem Isabellam de Partenay Dominam de Vibraye, anno 1338. ex altero Manuscripto Domini Bigot, obÿt pugnæ Crciacensi, tres supscepit, Ioannem, Ludoucium & Guillelmum, duasitem filias Ionnam & Ælidem, sepultus est apud Parcun, ecbis Ludouico obtigère dominia Castrieraldi & Ascolia” in Brabantia
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 3, pg. 250].
Guillaume married Blanche de Bray, daughter of Guillaume Seigneur de Bray, according to several documents cited in de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 2 pg. 1632. In an undated manuscript produced by Guillaume Painel, a cousin of the “Sieur de Ferrieres”. One of the paragraphs is addressed “Aux enfans du sire de Ferrieres, à cause de leur mère qui fut fille de Monsieur Guillaume de Harcourt, et de leur ayeul qui fut fille de Monsieur Guillaume de Bray, Seigneur de Seron... ”
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 3 pgs. 376- 380].
13. Jean IV, Comte de Harcourt = Isabelle de Parthenay
According to the chronicle of Jean Froissart, “li contes de Harcourt” was among the French killed at Crècy on 26 Aug 1346 [Baron Kervyn de Lettenhove, Oeuvres de Froissart: 1346-1356, 25 vols. (Bruxelles: Comtoir Universel, 1868) 5:54]. That this was Jean, Comte de Harcourt, husband of Isabelle de Parthenay, is affirmed in the manuscript genealogy cited in the previous generation. La Rocque states that their marriage contract was dated 22 Jul 1315, according to an “arrest de la Cour de Parlement” dated 21 February 1399.
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 1 pg. 368: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_généalogique_de_la_maison_de/SZQYVqN7j 0MC?hl=en&gbpv=0].
Jean’s father is named in a very long Arrêt de Parlement de Paris
[Preuves Généalogiques et Historiques (cited above) pgs. 130-140].
The relationship between Jean IV and his mother, Alix de Brabant, is stated in the letters establishing the Barony of Harcourt dated March 1338
[“Cabinet de d’Hozier, Haran-Harlai”, digital images, 51 of 230 Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080675j/f51.item.zoom); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 185, BNF Fr.# 31066. Accessed 9 May 2021].
14. Jean de Harcourt = Alix de Brabant
On 2 July, 1303, Marie, Queen of France, confirmed a partition of property between “Marie contesse de Julliers, Ysabiau fame Girart de Julliers, Aeliz fame Jehan d’Harcourt et Blanche fame Bertaut de Maalinnes, filles et hoirs nostre... freire monseign. Godefroy de Braban jadis sires d’Arscot"
[Codex diplomaticus neerlandicus verzameling van oorkonden (Utrecht: Kemink en Zoon,1851), series 2, part 1, pg. 4 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Codex_diplomaticus_neerlandicus/VHY6AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0]
“Aalis de Brebant” wife of of “Jehans sires de Harecourt” is mentioned as a sister of Isabel, wife of “Gerart” Count of Juliers in 1307
[Theod. J. Lacomblet, Urkundenbuch für die Geschichte des Niederrheins oder des Erzstifts Cöln (Düsseldorf: H. Voss, 1853), vol. 3, pg. 40 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Urkundenbuch_für_die_Geschichte_des_Nie/Au8- AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
In a charter dated 31 January 1331, King Philippe VI stated that "Aelis dame de Harecourt et Loys de Touart" was a sister of “Isabel contesse de Juliers, suer aisnee et hoir seule et pour le tout de Marie iadis sa suer dame de Virzon, de Luri...”
[Ibid, pg. 205]
Since she is described as the eldest of these three sisters, daughters of Godefroi de Brabant, she must therefore also be a daughter of Jeanne de Vierzon, who died before 1299 (see the subsequent generation).
15. Godefroi de Brabant = Jeanne de Vierzon
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: BRABANT & LOUVAIN (Accessed 10 May 2021)
GODEFROI de Brabant, son of HENRI III "le Pacifique/le Débonnaire" Duke of Brabant & his wife Alix de Bourgogne [Capet] (-killed in battle Courtrai 11 Jul 1302). The Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ names (in order) "Henricum...Iohannem...Godefridum...et Mariam" as the children of "Henricus...tertius dux" & his wife, specifying that Jean and Godefroi were born in Brussels
[citation: Societas... Germanicarum Medii Aevi, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani 1880, pg. 391) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_25/index.htm#page/391/mode/1up].
The Gesta Abbatem Trudonensiumnames "Godefridus, frater Iohannis ducis [de Brabancia]" and his wife "Iohanne de Virson"
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani,1852) pg. 409) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_10/index.htm#page/408/mode/1up].
Heer van Aarschot, Seigneur de Vierzon. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "primus Johannes dux Brabancie...fratrem...Godefridum" was killed the same day as his son "in bello Cortacensi"
[citation: C.A.R. Macaré, Oude kronijk van Brabant (Utrecht: Kemink en Zoon, 1855) pg. 83 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Oude_kronijk_van_Brabant_naar_een_onuitg/9b8x0J HBF8cC?hl=en&gbpv=0].
The Continuatio of the Chronicle of Guillaume de Nangis records that "dominus Godefridus de Brabento, Johannes de Brabento filius eiusdem, dominus Virsionis" were killed "apud Corteriacum"
[citation: P.C.F. Danou, Recueil des historiens des Gaules et de la France in 22 vols.; quoting Continuatio Chronici Guillelmi de Nangiaco (Paris: l’Imprimerie Royale, 1840) 20:597 https://archive.org/details/RecueilDesHistoriensDesGaulesEtDe20/page/n675/mode/2up].
The Chronique Artésienne records “mesires Godefrois de Braibant” among those killed at the battle of Courtrai
[citation: F. Funck-Brentano, Chronique artésienne (1295-1304) (Paris: Alphonse Picard, 1899) pg. 49 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chronique_artésienne_1295_1304/CgtBAAAAYAAJ?hl =en&gbpv=1].
m (before 1280) JEANNE de Vierzon Dame de Vierzon, de Mézières-en-Brenne, de Lucy, de la Ferté-Imbaud, de Fuselier, de l'Isle-Savary et de la Rochecorbon, daughter of HERVE [III] de Vierzon Seigneur de Vierzon (-before 1296, bur Bourges Franciscan Church). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Betrothed (Papal dispensation 9 Aug 1299) to ISABELLA van Gelre, daughter of REINALD I Graaf van Gelre & his second wife Marguerite de Flandre (before Aug 1299-Köln 1354). Pope Boniface VIII issued a dispensation for the marriage of "Godefrido de Brabantia, de Arscot et de Urson castrorum domino" and "Ysabelle nata Ranaldi comitis Gelrie" despite 4o consanguinity dated 9 Aug 1299 [citation: Heinrich V. Sauerland, Urkunden und Regesten zur Geschichte der Rheinlande (Bonn: P. Hanstein, 1902) vol. 4, pg. 39 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Urkunden_und_Regesten_zur_Geschichte_der/tSIKAA AAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
16. Henri III de Brabant = Alix de Bourgogne
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: BRABANT & LOUVAIN (Accessed 10 May 2021)
HENRI de Brabant, son of HENRI II Duke of Brabant & his first wife Marie of Germany [Hohenstaufen] (-Louvain 28 Feb or 1 Mar 1261, bur Louvain, Dominican Church). The Annales Parchenses names "filius eius [=Heinrici II ducis] dux Heinricus tercius puer bone indolis"
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Annales Parchenses (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani, 1859) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_16/index.htm#page/606/mode/1up].
Provost at Aachen 1233. He succeeded his father in 1248 as HENRI III "le Pacifique/le Débonnaire" Duke of Brabant. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "Henricus tertius...in ducatu Lotharingie" was the first of his line to adopt the title "ducem Lotharingie et Brabancie"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 65].
The necrology of Maubuisson records the death "Kal Mar" of "Henricus dux Brebancie pater domine Marie regine Francie"
[citation: l’Academie des Inscriptions, Diocèses de Sens et de Paris (Paris: Imprimerie Nationale, 1902) vol. 1, pg. 655]. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records the death at Louvain "Kal Mar" in 1260 of "Henricus Pius dux
Lotharingie Brabancie", while preparing to leave on Crusade, and his burial "apud Fratres Predicatores"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 66].
m (1251 after 21 Jul) ALIX de Bourgogne, daughter of HUGUES IV Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his first wife Yolande de Dreux ([1233]-20 Oct 1273, bur Louvain Dominican Church). The Annales Parchensesrecords the marriage in 1253 of "Heinricus dux" and "filiam ducis Burgundie...Aeliden"
[citation: Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Annales Parchenses, cited above, pg. 607]. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "Henricus tertius...in ducatu Lotharingie" married "Aleidem filiam Hugonis ducis Burgundie"[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 65].
Regent of Brabant 1261-1268 successively for her sons Dukes Henri IV and Jean I. The testament of “Hugo dux Burgundiæ”, dated Sep 1272, bequeathed property to “filiam meam...dominam Alasiam ducissam Brabantie”
[citation: André du Chesnay, Histoire genealogique des Ducs de Bourgogne de la maison de France (Paris: Sebastien Cramoisy, 1628) preuves. pg. 78 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_genealogique_des_Ducs_de_Bourgo/nFhbAA AAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
She corresponded with St Thomas Aquinus, who dedicated Du Gouvernement du Princeto her
[citation: Kerrebrouck, P. Van (2000) Les Capétiens 987-1328 (Villeneuve d'Asq), pgs. 578-9. ].
The necrology of Maubuisson records the death "XIII Kal Nov" of "domina Aalipdis ducissa Brabancie mater domine Marie...regina Francie"
[citation: Diocèses de Sens et de Paris, pg. 656].
The Oude Kronik van Brabant records the death in 1262 of "ducissa...Aleydis de Burgundia...fundatrix monasteriorum tam in Lovanio quam in Oudergheem" and her burial with her husband "apud Fratres Predicatores"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 66]...
17. Maria von Staufen = Henri II Duke of Brabant
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: GERMANY, KINGS & EMPERORS (Accessed 10 May 2021)
MARIA von Staufen ([1199/1200]-Louvain before 1235). The Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ names "Maria filia Philippi Romanorum" as wife of "Henricus...secundus dux"
[citation: Societas... Germanicarum Medii Aevi, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ, cited above, pg. 319].
The Annales Marbacenses record that one of the four daughters of King Philipp (fourth in the list) married "duci Brabantie" but does not name her
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Annales Marbacenses (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani, 1861) pg. 170 https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_17/index.htm#page/170/mode/1up ].
m (before 22 Aug 1215) as his first wife, HENRI II Duke of Brabant, son of HENRI I "le Guerroyeur" Duke of Brabant & his first wife Mathilde de Flandre ([1207]-Louvain 1 Feb 1248, bur Villers).
Lately I’ve been doing research on an interesting descent for a French-Canadian ancestor: Charles-François Mézières de Lepervanche, Captain of a detachment of French Marines to Philip of Swabia, King of the Romans. The line is very solid in my opinion except for generations nine and ten, which combine a later work without citations with negative evidence and hommages linking property holdings over several generations. I understand that more work may be required to solidify these, but I’d like to ask for feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of this proposed line. I welcome any and all comments.
Thanks,
Josiah de la Motte
1. Charles François Méziéres de l’Espervanche = Louise Suzanne Nolan
An entry in a register for the parish of Boisset-les-Prévanches states that Charles-François, son of Henry de Mésiére Seigneur de Rosnay and of Marie Trevet, was was baptized 31 July 1695.
[“Registres Paroissiaux”, entry for Charles-François de Mésiére, 31 July 1695 digital images, archives.eure.fr(https://archives.eure.fr/ark:/26335/a011440745420qWpsMS/494c3b7474); Archives Départementales de l’Eure, “Boisset-les-Prévanches, 1622-1743” cote 8 Mi 588. Accessed 11 May 2021].
A marriage contract dated Monday, 10 December 1725 states that Charles-François de Méziére, Écuyer, “Chevalier de l’Espervanche”, Ensign in a company of Marines in Canada, son of deceased Henry de Méziére, Chevalier, Seigneur de Rosnsay, and of deceased Marie Trevet, was to marry Damoiselle Louise-Suzanne Nolan (daughter of deceased Jean-Baptiste Nolan, a local bourgeois).
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, entry for Méziéres, digital images, 141 of 481, Gallica.bnf.fr(https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100835845/f141.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 237, BnF Fr. #31462. Accessed 10 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of L'Assomption de Sandwich de Windsor in Detroit states that François de Lepervanche, son of Henry, Seigneur de Lepervanche and of Marie Trevet, married Louise-Suzanne Nolan on 17 October 1725
[“Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968”, (transcribed) entry for François de Lepervanche, 17 October 1725, digital image (3 of 45) Ancestry.com (https://bit.ly/3yHxMzR); Institut Généalogique Drouin; Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada; Détroit, L`Assomption de Sandwich de Windsor, Michigan, USA; 1710-1801. Accessed 11 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of Notre-Dame-de-LaPrairie-de-la-Madeleine in Montreal states that Charles François Mesiere, de Lepervanche, écuyer, Seigneur de Lepervanche, and Captain of a detachment of marines was buried on 21 December 1750, aged about 55.
[“Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968”, entry for Charles François Mesiere, 21 October 1750, digital image (212 of 302) Ancestry.com (https://bit.ly/3ywr13v); Institut Généalogique Drouin; Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada; La Prairie, Québec, Notre-Dame-de-LaPrairie-de-la-Madeleine; 1747-1752. Accessed 11 May 2021].
2. Henry de Mésiéres, Seigneur de l’Espervanche = Marie de Trevet
A marriage contract dated Monday, 16 October 1684 states that Henry de Mésiéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de l’Espervanche, son of deceased Jean de Mésiéres, Seigneur of the same, and of Jeanne de Lux, was to marry Damoiselle Marie de Trevet.
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, entry for Méziéres, digital images, 143 of 481, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100835845/f143.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 237, BnF Fr. #31462. Accessed 10 May 2021].
An entry in a register for the parish of Boisset-les-Prévanches states that Henry de Mésiéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de Léprevanche, was buried in the parish cemetery on 1 April 1704 [“Registres Paroissiaux”, entry for Henry de Mésiéres, 1 April 1704 digital images, archives.eure.fr(https://archives.eure.fr/ark:/26335/a011440745420qWpsMS/ea12f979a7); Archives Départementales de l’Eure, “Boisset-les-Prévanches, 1622-1691”, cote 8 Mi 588. Accessed 11 May 2021].
3. Jeanne de Lux = Jean-Baptiste de Méziéres, Seigneur de Lespervanches
A marriage contract dated 6 June 1653 states that Jean-Baptiste de Méziéres, Chevalier and Seigneur de Lespervanches was to marry Damoiselle Jeanne de Lux, daughter of deceased Jacques de Lux, Chevalier, Seigneur de Vantelet, and “gentilhomme ordinaire” to the Queen of England and of Marguerite de Courtin his widow.
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Meur-Milleret, cited above].
4. Jacques de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler = Margeurite de Courtin
A marriage contract dated Wednesday, 7 June 1617 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Jacques de Lux, écuyer and Seigneur de Venteler, son of Robert de Lux and his his wife Marie de Plaisance, was to marry Marguerite Courtin.
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, Lumagne- Luzignan, entry for Lux, digital images, 125 of 191, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080177j/f126.item); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 219, BnF Fr. #31100. Accessed 10 May 2021]
5. Robert de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler = Marie de Plaisance
A marriage contract dated Monday, 16 April 1584 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Robert de Lux, écuyer and Seigneur de Venteler, son of Sébastien de Lux and his widow Ambroise Boucher, was to marry Marie de Plaisance [Cabinet de d’Hozier, cited above, image 126].
6. Ambroise Boucher = Sébastien de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler
A marriage contract dated Friday, 31 January 1560 and abstracted in the Cabinet des Titres states that Sébastien de Lux, Seigneur de Venteler, was to marry Ambroise Boucher, “fille noble” of Guillaume Boucher, “Acocat en la Cour de Parlement” and “prévost de Chevreuse” and of Damoiselle Daufine Allegrin.
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, cited above, image 126].
7. Guillaume Boucher, avocat au Parlement = Daufine Allegrin
A 1667 genealogical memoir mentions a partition dated 23 February 1537 between Guillaume Boucher, Seigneur de Limons, Avocat au Parlement, and Nicholas Boucher, Seigneur de Marcelly. It goes on to state that they were brothers to Raymond Boucher, Seigneur de Saint Aubin and Philippes Boucher, Seigneur de Louans. It also mentions a transaction dated 6 Deceased 1527 which confirms that Philippes Boucher, Seigneur de Fossus, and Raimond Boucher, Seigneur de Saint Aulbin were sons of deceased Adam Boucher, “nottaire du roi”
[Nouveau d’Hozier, Boucher-Boudret, entry for Boucher, digital images, 116 of 362, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083503d/f116.item); Cabinet des Titres, Nouveau d’Hozier no. 57, BnF Fr. #31282. Accessed 10 May 2021].
Proving that Guillaume Boucher, Seigneur de Limons and Avocat au Parlement found in this document was the same Guillaume Boucher, Avocat au Parlement and prêvot de Chevreuse named as the father of Ambroise Boucher in the previous generation is a legal verdict given on 9 December 1553 by Guillaume Boucher, prêvot de Chevreuse, “avocat en Parlement” and Seigneur of “Limours” (1) concerning the disposition of the fief of Etuves
[Auguste Moutié, Chevreuse: Recherches Historiques (Rambouillet: Imprimerie de Raynal, 1876) part 2, pg. 501 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chevreuse_ptie_Chatelains_barons_et_ducs/MI4IAQA AIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
(1)The name of this seigneurie seems close enough to that of ”Limons” mentioned previously for it to have been the same.
8. Marie Poignant = Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi
The parentage of Marie Poignant, wife of Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi, is attested to by the following homages rendered to the Chambre de Comtes in Paris:
Hommage dated 7 March 1483 for the fief of Andrezel by Pierre Poignant le jeune, conseiller au parlement (2).
Hommage dated 30 October 1489 for the fief of Granges-le-Roi by Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comptes, in lieu of his wife, Catherine Poignant, daughter of Pierre Poignant l’aîné (3).
Hommage dated 21 October 1501 for the fief of Andrezel by Ragonde de Hacqueville, widow of Pierre Poignant (4).
Hommage dated 25 October 1501 for the fief of Andrezel by Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi and Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comtes, in lieu of their wives, Marie and Catherine Poignant, daughters of Pierre Poignant (5).
Hommage dated 25 October 1501 for the fief of Athis-sur-Orge by maître Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi and by Nicolas Viole, correcteur in the Chambre des Comtes, in lieu of their wives, Marie and Catherine Poignant, heirs to their brother Pierre Poignant, conseiller au parlement (6).
A pedigree for the family Boucher d’Orçay states that documents dated 17 January and 29 September 1492 give Marie Poignant as the wife of Adam Boucher, notaire et secrétaire du roi.
[Dossiers Bleus, “ Bossut-Bouchenu”, entry for Boucher, digital images, 155 of 422, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080767d/f155.item); Cabinet des Titres, Dossiers Bleus no. 114, BnF Fr. 29659. Accessed 23 May 2021.].
In October 1504, Marie Poignant, widow of Adam Boucher, was mentioned in relation to the Seigneurie of Louans
[Jean Lebeuf, Histoire Du Diocese De Paris (Paris: Prault Pere, 157) pg. 90https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_Du_Diocese_De_Paris/RB5WAAAAcAAJ?hl =en&gbpv=0 Accessed 11 May 2021].
(2) Jean-Pierre Babelon and Léon Mirot, Chambre des comptes de Paris. Série P. Hommages rendus à la chambre de France (XIVe-XVIe siècles) (Pierrefitte-sur-Seine: Archives nationales, 1982) “Tome II : Additif au tome I”, pgs. 224- 225 https://www.siv.archives- nationales.culture.gouv.fr/siv/rechercheconsultation/consultation/ir/pdfIR.action?irId=FRAN_IR_001395
(3) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) pg. 138
(4) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) pg. 225
(5) Babel and Mirot (cited above) pg. 225
(6) Jean-Pierre Babelon and Léon Mirot, Hommages rendus à la chambre de France (XIVe-XVIe siècles) (Paris: Archives nationales, 1982) vol. 1, pg. 8 https://www.geni.com/profile/documents/6000000175432544728
9. Pierre Poignant “l’aîné”, maître des requêtes = Ragonde de Hacqueville
The book ‘Les Presidens au mortier du Parlement de Paris’ by François Blanchard [(Paris, 1647: Cardin Besogne, pg. 31) https://www.google.com/books/edition/Les_Presidens_au_mortier_du_Parlement_de/bnnDlS _eJ0kC?hl=en&gbpv=0]
states that the conseiller Pierre Poignant “le jeune” was received 8 March 1477 (afterwards becoming a maître des requêtes), and was the son of Philippe Poignant and Jeanne de Montenay “de la maison de Garencières” (7). The book also states that he was the husband of Radegonde (or Ragonde in the homages) d’Hacqueville and father of the Charlotte, Marie, and Catherine Poignant documented as children of Pierre Poignant “l’aîné” in the homages referenced in the previous set of proofs. Yet we have already established by homages dated 1483, 1489, and 1501 that Pierre “le jeune”, conseiller au parlement by 1483, was the brother of Charlotte, Marie, and Catherine, who were in turn daughters of Pierre Poignant, “l’aîné”. In addition, we know that this Pierre Poignant l’aîné was both a conseiller au parlement and a maître des requêtes by 1467 when he rendered the homage mentioned in the subsequent set of proofs. Therefore, whatever original document it was that stated that Pierre Poignant, conseiller au parlement and maître des requêtes was the son of Philippe Poignant and Jeanne de Montenay, it must almost certainly have been referred to Pierre Poignant “l’aîné”.
(7) Which original document it was that contained this information is unclear. Several original 15th and early-16th Century registers of the Parlement in Paris were searched without results, specifically the ones cited in: Édouard Maugis, Histoire du Parlement de Paris (Paris: Auguste Picard, 1916) vol.3 pg. 112 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k63083f/f160.item]. Maugis also cited BnF Ms. Fr.# 7555 (18th Century), a published form of which was consulted. It again stated that Pierre Poignant “le jeune” was the son of Philippe Poignant, ”chancelier du roy de Navarre”, and of Jeanne de Montenay, “de la maison de Garencière” [Michel Popoff, Prosopographie des gens du parlement de Paris (Paris: Léopard d’Or, 2003) vol. 2 pgs. 802-803].
10. Philippe Poignant, chancelier du roi de Navarre = Jeanne de Montenay
The parentage of Jeanne de Montenay, wife of Philippe Poignant, chancelier du roi de Navarre, is not explicitly stated in any document found so far. It is, however, possible to narrow down possible candidates to a single couple.
The 1647 compendium mentioned in the previous set of proofs states that Jeanne de Montenay was “of the house of Garencières”. A 1681 genealogy contained in Cabinet des Titres state that “Guillaume de Montenai, III du nom, Seigneur de Bérangeville et Baron du Hómet, aquit à ses descendans toute la riche succession de l’illustre maison de Garencieres, par le mariage qu’il fit avec Marie, baróne de Garencieres et de Fauxquernon et Dame de Fontenai-le Marmion...” it then states that there were three children born to this union; namely Jean, Guillaume, and Jeanne, wife of Jean DuBois, Seigneur de l’Epinait. It then states that Jean died in 1416 according to an arrête du parlement
[Cabinet de d’Hozier, “Montcornet-Montferrand”, entry for Montenai, digital images, 89-91 of 245, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080213n/f89.item.zoom); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 244, BnF Fr. 31125. Accessed 8 May 2021.].
This Jean de Montenay apparently died without having any children, because in a document dated April 1419 (cited in the succeeding generation), Guillaume de Montenay is qualified Seigneur de Montenay, of Garencières, and of Gommet, three titles which had pertained to his brother Jean in a prior document (8). This leaves Guillaume as the only member of this branch of the family and of the correct generation to be the father of Jeanne de Montenay. According to the 1681 genealogy, Jeanne de Férières was his only known spouse, and outlived her husband (see the subsequent generation). Moreover, the relationship between Jeanne de Montenay wife of Philippe Poignant and the de Montenay of the “House of Garencières” can be further established by linking the fiefs of Athis-sur-Orge, Souplainville, and Tillières, jointly held by Jean de Montenay, Seigneur et Baron de Garencières, son of Guillaume and Jeanne de Férières, and by his Poignant relatives, as is evidenced by the following homages:
Hommage dated 3 October 1445 for the fief of Souplainville (together with other fiefs) by Jean, Seigneur de Montenay and de Milly (9).
Hommage dated 5 September 1461 for the “terre et seigneurie de Tillières, en la prévôté de Paris, mouvant de Meulan”, by Jean de Montenay, écuyer, seigneur et baron de Garencières (10).
Lettres de Soufrance (a feudal document allowing deferred payment of hommage) dated 2 May 1467 for the “fief, terre, et seigneurie” of Athis-sur-Orge11, “mouvant de la châtellenie de Châteaufort ou de Montlhéry”, for the fief of Falaise à Épône, “mouvant de la châtellenie de Meulan” and for the “terres et fiefs de Tillières et Soupplainville avec justice haute, moyenne et basse, mouvant de la châtellenie de Poissy” given to Pierre Poignant, conseiller et maître des requêtes ordinaire de l'Hôtel (12).
Hommage dated 5 September 1467 for Athis-sur-Orge, “mouvant de la prévôté de Paris”, by Jean de Montenay, Seigneur et Baron de Garencières (13) .
The homages above make a convincing case both for the existence of Jeanne de Montenay, wife of Philippe Poignant, and that she was a daughter of Guillaume de Montenay and, crucially, of his only wife Jeanne de Férières.
(8) Pièces Originales, “Montenay”, digital images, 55 of 180, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10081728j/f55.item); Cabinet des Titres, Pièces Originales no. 2014, BnF Fr. #28498. Accessed 26 April 2021
(9) Société Archéologique de Rambouillet, Mémoires et Documents (Rambouillet: Librairie de Raynal, 1881) vol. 5, pg. 328 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mémoires/NGFMAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
(10) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) tome II (additif) pg. 68
(11) Ownership of the fief of Athis-sur-Orge can be traced back even further to Jean’s father Guillaume, who is very likely the ”sieur de Montenay“ who lost it to the English after they captured Paris and the surrounding area in 1420. This document from 1425 refers to it as being among the estates confiscated in this manner.
[Auguste Lognan Paris pendant la domination anglaise (Paris: H. Champion, 1878) pgs. 35, 171- 174 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Paris_pendant_la_domination_anglaise_142/QYZPAKcrjGYC?hl=en&gbpv =0]
(12) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) tome II (additif) pg. 15 13 Babelon and Mirot (cited above) vol. 1, pg. 8
(13) Babelon and Mirot (cited above) vol. 1, pg. 8
11. Jeanne de Ferrieres = Guillaume de Montenay
On ? April, 1419, Guillaume, Seigneur de Montenay and Chamberlain to the Dauphin, signed an order on the royal treasury
[“Pièces Originales, Montenay”, digital images, 62 of 180, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10081728j/f62.item); Cabinet des Titres, Pièces Originales no. 2014, BnF Fr. #28498. Accessed 26 April 2021].
According to a dispatch dated 14 August, 1424, the “Seigneur de Montenay” was among those killed at the Battle of Verneuil [Richard A. Newhall, The English Conquest of Normandy, 1416- 1424 (New Haven: Yale Uni. Press, 1924, pgs. 319-320). https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_English_Conquest_of_Normandy_1416_14/IbVVA AAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1].
Pgs. 11-12 of the 1681 genealogy previously cited state that, according to an “arrêt du Parlément” from 1425, Jeanne de Ferrieres, widow of Guillaume de Montenay, had married Guillaume in 1411. Pg. 12also mentions a 1459 legal dispute between Jeanne and her brother, Jean, Seigneur et Baron de Ferrieres, involving her dowry, which was to have consisted of 600 livres paid from the seigneuries of “Montfort” and Vibraïe. The 1402 “playdoyrie” quoted in the succeeding states that among the seigneuries that had belonged to Guillaume de Harcourt were those of “Montfort” and Vibraye, which are notably the same seigneuries from which Jeanne’s dowry was to be taken (du Chesnay, cited above, pg. 357).
Finally, the father-daughter relationship between Jean, Seigneur et Baron de Ferrieres who married Marguerite de Harcourt and Jeanne, wife of Guillaume de Montenay, is stated directly in a pedigree of the House of Ferrieres found in Cabinet D’Hozier. [Cabinet de d’Hozier, Fera- Ferriol”, entry for Ferrières, digital images, 182 of 206, Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080607j/f182.item); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 138, BnF Fr. #31019. Accessed 26 April 2021]. It should also be noted that Marguerite de Harcourt outlived her husband (see subsequent generation) and was his only known wife.
Marguerite de Harcourt = Jean de Ferrières
A 1401 extract from the “registres de la Cour de Parlement de Paris” stated:
Petronilla de Villaribus domina de Feritate Imbaudi relicta defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria quondam militis et domini dicti loci, contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannem dominum de Ferreriis milites, necnon Colardum de Estouteville ad causam uxorum suarum heredum dicti defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria Maria de Haricuria uxor dicti Colardi defuncta.
Another from the same year states:
Dilectus et fidelis cambellanus noster Ioannes dominus de Ferreriis miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor, contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem et Colardum de Estoutevilla dominum de Torciaco et de Beina, vatione successionis defunctæ Mariæ de Haricuria uxoris dicti Colardi sororis uxorum dictorum militum: que inter se partigium seccrant de successione omnium benorum defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria militis dominis de Feritate Imbaudi”
A “Playdoierie” extracted from the same registers dated 7 April 1402 states:
Ioannes dominus de Ferrieres miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor contra Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem... inter partes concordatum super successione dicti Guillelmi”
[du Chesnay, cited above, pgs. 356-357].
Letters from the Chambre des comtes dated 19 November 1424 mention Marguerite de Harcourt, widow of Jehan de Ferières, “Seigneur et Baron” of the same
[M. Léopold Delisle Preuves Généalogiques et Historiques de la maison de Harcourt (Paris: Honoré Champion, 1907) pgs. 161-162 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Preuves_généalogique_et_historique_de/j3UtNeIu2zg C?hl=en&gbpv=0]
For proof of Marguerite’s relationship to her mother, Blanche de Bray, see the subsequent generation.
12. Guillaume de Harcourt = Blanche de Bray
A manuscript history of the Harcourt family by “Monsieur le Prevost chanoine de Rouen” states:
Ionnes &c. Comes uxorem Isabellam de Partenay Dominam de Vibraye, anno 1338. ex altero Manuscripto Domini Bigot, obÿt pugnæ Crciacensi, tres supscepit, Ioannem, Ludoucium & Guillelmum, duasitem filias Ionnam & Ælidem, sepultus est apud Parcun, ecbis Ludouico obtigère dominia Castrieraldi & Ascolia” in Brabantia
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 3, pg. 250].
Guillaume married Blanche de Bray, daughter of Guillaume Seigneur de Bray, according to several documents cited in de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 2 pg. 1632. In an undated manuscript produced by Guillaume Painel, a cousin of the “Sieur de Ferrieres”. One of the paragraphs is addressed “Aux enfans du sire de Ferrieres, à cause de leur mère qui fut fille de Monsieur Guillaume de Harcourt, et de leur ayeul qui fut fille de Monsieur Guillaume de Bray, Seigneur de Seron... ”
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 3 pgs. 376- 380].
13. Jean IV, Comte de Harcourt = Isabelle de Parthenay
According to the chronicle of Jean Froissart, “li contes de Harcourt” was among the French killed at Crècy on 26 Aug 1346 [Baron Kervyn de Lettenhove, Oeuvres de Froissart: 1346-1356, 25 vols. (Bruxelles: Comtoir Universel, 1868) 5:54]. That this was Jean, Comte de Harcourt, husband of Isabelle de Parthenay, is affirmed in the manuscript genealogy cited in the previous generation. La Rocque states that their marriage contract was dated 22 Jul 1315, according to an “arrest de la Cour de Parlement” dated 21 February 1399.
[de la Rocque (cited above) vol. 1 pg. 368: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_généalogique_de_la_maison_de/SZQYVqN7j 0MC?hl=en&gbpv=0].
Jean’s father is named in a very long Arrêt de Parlement de Paris
[Preuves Généalogiques et Historiques (cited above) pgs. 130-140].
The relationship between Jean IV and his mother, Alix de Brabant, is stated in the letters establishing the Barony of Harcourt dated March 1338
[“Cabinet de d’Hozier, Haran-Harlai”, digital images, 51 of 230 Gallica.bnf.fr (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10080675j/f51.item.zoom); Cabinet des Titres, Cabinet de d’Hozier no. 185, BNF Fr.# 31066. Accessed 9 May 2021].
14. Jean de Harcourt = Alix de Brabant
On 2 July, 1303, Marie, Queen of France, confirmed a partition of property between “Marie contesse de Julliers, Ysabiau fame Girart de Julliers, Aeliz fame Jehan d’Harcourt et Blanche fame Bertaut de Maalinnes, filles et hoirs nostre... freire monseign. Godefroy de Braban jadis sires d’Arscot"
[Codex diplomaticus neerlandicus verzameling van oorkonden (Utrecht: Kemink en Zoon,1851), series 2, part 1, pg. 4 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Codex_diplomaticus_neerlandicus/VHY6AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0]
“Aalis de Brebant” wife of of “Jehans sires de Harecourt” is mentioned as a sister of Isabel, wife of “Gerart” Count of Juliers in 1307
[Theod. J. Lacomblet, Urkundenbuch für die Geschichte des Niederrheins oder des Erzstifts Cöln (Düsseldorf: H. Voss, 1853), vol. 3, pg. 40 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Urkundenbuch_für_die_Geschichte_des_Nie/Au8- AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
In a charter dated 31 January 1331, King Philippe VI stated that "Aelis dame de Harecourt et Loys de Touart" was a sister of “Isabel contesse de Juliers, suer aisnee et hoir seule et pour le tout de Marie iadis sa suer dame de Virzon, de Luri...”
[Ibid, pg. 205]
Since she is described as the eldest of these three sisters, daughters of Godefroi de Brabant, she must therefore also be a daughter of Jeanne de Vierzon, who died before 1299 (see the subsequent generation).
15. Godefroi de Brabant = Jeanne de Vierzon
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: BRABANT & LOUVAIN (Accessed 10 May 2021)
GODEFROI de Brabant, son of HENRI III "le Pacifique/le Débonnaire" Duke of Brabant & his wife Alix de Bourgogne [Capet] (-killed in battle Courtrai 11 Jul 1302). The Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ names (in order) "Henricum...Iohannem...Godefridum...et Mariam" as the children of "Henricus...tertius dux" & his wife, specifying that Jean and Godefroi were born in Brussels
[citation: Societas... Germanicarum Medii Aevi, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani 1880, pg. 391) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_25/index.htm#page/391/mode/1up].
The Gesta Abbatem Trudonensiumnames "Godefridus, frater Iohannis ducis [de Brabancia]" and his wife "Iohanne de Virson"
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Gesta Abbatem Trudonensium (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani,1852) pg. 409) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_10/index.htm#page/408/mode/1up].
Heer van Aarschot, Seigneur de Vierzon. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "primus Johannes dux Brabancie...fratrem...Godefridum" was killed the same day as his son "in bello Cortacensi"
[citation: C.A.R. Macaré, Oude kronijk van Brabant (Utrecht: Kemink en Zoon, 1855) pg. 83 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Oude_kronijk_van_Brabant_naar_een_onuitg/9b8x0J HBF8cC?hl=en&gbpv=0].
The Continuatio of the Chronicle of Guillaume de Nangis records that "dominus Godefridus de Brabento, Johannes de Brabento filius eiusdem, dominus Virsionis" were killed "apud Corteriacum"
[citation: P.C.F. Danou, Recueil des historiens des Gaules et de la France in 22 vols.; quoting Continuatio Chronici Guillelmi de Nangiaco (Paris: l’Imprimerie Royale, 1840) 20:597 https://archive.org/details/RecueilDesHistoriensDesGaulesEtDe20/page/n675/mode/2up].
The Chronique Artésienne records “mesires Godefrois de Braibant” among those killed at the battle of Courtrai
[citation: F. Funck-Brentano, Chronique artésienne (1295-1304) (Paris: Alphonse Picard, 1899) pg. 49 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chronique_artésienne_1295_1304/CgtBAAAAYAAJ?hl =en&gbpv=1].
m (before 1280) JEANNE de Vierzon Dame de Vierzon, de Mézières-en-Brenne, de Lucy, de la Ferté-Imbaud, de Fuselier, de l'Isle-Savary et de la Rochecorbon, daughter of HERVE [III] de Vierzon Seigneur de Vierzon (-before 1296, bur Bourges Franciscan Church). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Betrothed (Papal dispensation 9 Aug 1299) to ISABELLA van Gelre, daughter of REINALD I Graaf van Gelre & his second wife Marguerite de Flandre (before Aug 1299-Köln 1354). Pope Boniface VIII issued a dispensation for the marriage of "Godefrido de Brabantia, de Arscot et de Urson castrorum domino" and "Ysabelle nata Ranaldi comitis Gelrie" despite 4o consanguinity dated 9 Aug 1299 [citation: Heinrich V. Sauerland, Urkunden und Regesten zur Geschichte der Rheinlande (Bonn: P. Hanstein, 1902) vol. 4, pg. 39 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Urkunden_und_Regesten_zur_Geschichte_der/tSIKAA AAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
16. Henri III de Brabant = Alix de Bourgogne
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: BRABANT & LOUVAIN (Accessed 10 May 2021)
HENRI de Brabant, son of HENRI II Duke of Brabant & his first wife Marie of Germany [Hohenstaufen] (-Louvain 28 Feb or 1 Mar 1261, bur Louvain, Dominican Church). The Annales Parchenses names "filius eius [=Heinrici II ducis] dux Heinricus tercius puer bone indolis"
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Annales Parchenses (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani, 1859) https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_16/index.htm#page/606/mode/1up].
Provost at Aachen 1233. He succeeded his father in 1248 as HENRI III "le Pacifique/le Débonnaire" Duke of Brabant. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "Henricus tertius...in ducatu Lotharingie" was the first of his line to adopt the title "ducem Lotharingie et Brabancie"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 65].
The necrology of Maubuisson records the death "Kal Mar" of "Henricus dux Brebancie pater domine Marie regine Francie"
[citation: l’Academie des Inscriptions, Diocèses de Sens et de Paris (Paris: Imprimerie Nationale, 1902) vol. 1, pg. 655]. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records the death at Louvain "Kal Mar" in 1260 of "Henricus Pius dux
Lotharingie Brabancie", while preparing to leave on Crusade, and his burial "apud Fratres Predicatores"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 66].
m (1251 after 21 Jul) ALIX de Bourgogne, daughter of HUGUES IV Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his first wife Yolande de Dreux ([1233]-20 Oct 1273, bur Louvain Dominican Church). The Annales Parchensesrecords the marriage in 1253 of "Heinricus dux" and "filiam ducis Burgundie...Aeliden"
[citation: Monumenta Germaniae historica; quoting Annales Parchenses, cited above, pg. 607]. The Oude Kronik van Brabant records that "Henricus tertius...in ducatu Lotharingie" married "Aleidem filiam Hugonis ducis Burgundie"[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 65].
Regent of Brabant 1261-1268 successively for her sons Dukes Henri IV and Jean I. The testament of “Hugo dux Burgundiæ”, dated Sep 1272, bequeathed property to “filiam meam...dominam Alasiam ducissam Brabantie”
[citation: André du Chesnay, Histoire genealogique des Ducs de Bourgogne de la maison de France (Paris: Sebastien Cramoisy, 1628) preuves. pg. 78 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_genealogique_des_Ducs_de_Bourgo/nFhbAA AAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0].
She corresponded with St Thomas Aquinus, who dedicated Du Gouvernement du Princeto her
[citation: Kerrebrouck, P. Van (2000) Les Capétiens 987-1328 (Villeneuve d'Asq), pgs. 578-9. ].
The necrology of Maubuisson records the death "XIII Kal Nov" of "domina Aalipdis ducissa Brabancie mater domine Marie...regina Francie"
[citation: Diocèses de Sens et de Paris, pg. 656].
The Oude Kronik van Brabant records the death in 1262 of "ducissa...Aleydis de Burgundia...fundatrix monasteriorum tam in Lovanio quam in Oudergheem" and her burial with her husband "apud Fratres Predicatores"
[citation: Oude Kronijk van Brabant, cited above, pg. 66]...
17. Maria von Staufen = Henri II Duke of Brabant
Quoting Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands: GERMANY, KINGS & EMPERORS (Accessed 10 May 2021)
MARIA von Staufen ([1199/1200]-Louvain before 1235). The Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ names "Maria filia Philippi Romanorum" as wife of "Henricus...secundus dux"
[citation: Societas... Germanicarum Medii Aevi, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Genealogia Ducum Brabantiæ Heredum Franciæ, cited above, pg. 319].
The Annales Marbacenses record that one of the four daughters of King Philipp (fourth in the list) married "duci Brabantie" but does not name her
[citation: G.H. Pertz, Monumenta Germaniae Historica; quoting Annales Marbacenses (Hanover: Impensis Bibliopolii Hahniani, 1861) pg. 170 https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_ss_17/index.htm#page/170/mode/1up ].
m (before 22 Aug 1215) as his first wife, HENRI II Duke of Brabant, son of HENRI I "le Guerroyeur" Duke of Brabant & his first wife Mathilde de Flandre ([1207]-Louvain 1 Feb 1248, bur Villers).
Denis Beauregard
May 24, 2021, 10:44:36 AM5/24/21
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On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:50:10 -0700 (PDT), Josiah de la Motte
<josiahd...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Lately I’ve been doing research on an interesting descent for a French-Canadian ancestor: Charles-François Mézières de Lepervanche, Captain of a detachment of French Marines to Philip of Swabia, King of the Romans. The line is very solid in my opinion except for generations nine and ten, which combine a later work without
citations with negative evidence and hommages linking property holdings over several generations. I understand that more work may be required to solidify these, but I’d like to ask for feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of this proposed line. I welcome any and all comments.
I am wondering if there are descendants.
I have marriages for 2 children, Charles in 1758 to M.Anne
Testard, and Louise Antoine also in 1758 to Joseph Gauthier
de la Vérendrye.
It seems that both children are no more shown in Quebec records
except for a baptism in 1759, so likely both returned to France
after the British conquest. Or did some of them moved west to
Detroit, Louisiana, etc. ?
Denis
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Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - http://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/
French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
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<josiahd...@gmail.com> wrote in soc.genealogy.medieval:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Lately I’ve been doing research on an interesting descent for a French-Canadian ancestor: Charles-François Mézières de Lepervanche, Captain of a detachment of French Marines to Philip of Swabia, King of the Romans. The line is very solid in my opinion except for generations nine and ten, which combine a later work without
citations with negative evidence and hommages linking property holdings over several generations. I understand that more work may be required to solidify these, but I’d like to ask for feedback on the strengths and weaknesses of this proposed line. I welcome any and all comments.
I have marriages for 2 children, Charles in 1758 to M.Anne
Testard, and Louise Antoine also in 1758 to Joseph Gauthier
de la Vérendrye.
It seems that both children are no more shown in Quebec records
except for a baptism in 1759, so likely both returned to France
after the British conquest. Or did some of them moved west to
Detroit, Louisiana, etc. ?
Denis
--
Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - http://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/
French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
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Olivier
May 24, 2021, 12:08:15 PM5/24/21
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Married on 11 May 1773, Saint-Denis (Reunion Island), to Victoire Marguerite Charlotte Bellier, born on 11 March 1755, Sainte-Suzanne (Reunion Island), died in 1824 (aged 69)
Josiah de la Motte
May 24, 2021, 12:25:55 PM5/24/21
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> I have marriages for 2 children, Charles in 1758 to M.Anne
> Testard, and Louise Antoine also in 1758 to Joseph Gauthier
> de la Vérendrye.
>
> It seems that both children are no more shown in Quebec records
> except for a baptism in 1759, so likely both returned to France
> after the British conquest. Or did some of them moved west to
> Detroit, Louisiana, etc. ?
Thank you Mr. Beauregard for your response!
> Testard, and Louise Antoine also in 1758 to Joseph Gauthier
> de la Vérendrye.
>
> It seems that both children are no more shown in Quebec records
> except for a baptism in 1759, so likely both returned to France
> after the British conquest. Or did some of them moved west to
> Detroit, Louisiana, etc. ?
This article explores what became Anne Testard, whose two children left no descendants (pgs. 58-61):
https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/4004758?docref=OCRiNjG63PNsPO2gkk3cmg&docsearchtext=Lepervanche
I believe the Gauthier de la Vérendrye marriage did not leave any children.
Although I haven’t confirmed this, I believe that the handful of descendants in North America today are in Venezuela and perhaps in other Spanish-speaking counties as well. This is because the only surviving descents I know of passes through my own ancestor, Eustache Mézières de Lepervanche, who after the British conquest transferred to service on the islands of Réunion (then Isle de Bourbon) and Mauritius (then Isle de France), both in the Indian Ocean.
http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/osd/?dossier=/collection/INVENTAIRES/Ministeres/SEM/E/&first=241_430A/FRCAOM06_COLE_241430A_0171&last=241_430A/FRCAOM06_COLE_241430A_0185&title=Lépervanche,+Eustache+de,+enseigne+des+troupes+du+Canada,+capitaine+au+régiment+de+Bourbon+1755/1788
Many of his descendants live today on these islands, as well as Australia and probably South-Africa as well. Apparently a certain R.M. de Lepervanche ran a a leading in the Dominican Republic in the early 1900s, and I presume he is the ancestor of some of the Spanish speaking people of that surname. This 2005 death notice for a daughter of his in the New York Times demonstrates that the “M.” initial stood for Mezieres. I have yet to map the descent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/03/classified/paid-notice-deaths-aybar-ivonne.html
Josiah de la Motte
May 24, 2021, 12:36:09 PM5/24/21
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Apparently a certain R.M. de Lepervanche ran a a leading in the Dominican Republic in the early 1900s...
Edit**
I meant to say a leading newspaper (La Opinion)
https://www.loc.gov/item/sn90048086/
Edit**
I meant to say a leading newspaper (La Opinion)
https://www.loc.gov/item/sn90048086/
Will Johnson
May 26, 2021, 5:20:50 PM5/26/21
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Did you see this from Medlands?
MARGUERITE d’Harcourt ). A document dated 1401 relates to the claim made by "Petronilla de Villaribus domina de Feritate Imbaudi relicta defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria quondam militis et domini dicti loci" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannem dominum de Ferreriis milites, necnon Colardum de Estouteville ad causam uxorum suarum heredum dicti defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria Maria de Haricuria uxor dicti Colardi defuncta”[983]. A document dated 1401 records the dispute between "cambellanus noster Ioannes dominus de Ferreriis miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem et Colardum de Estoutevilla dominum de Torciaco et de Beina” concerning the succession of “defunctæ Mariæ de Haricuria uxoris dicti Colardi sororis uxorum dictorum militum” who had shared the succession of “defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria militis dominis de Feritate Imbaudi”[984]. A document dated 7 Apr 1402 records the claim by "Ioannes dominus de Ferrieres miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem” relating to the succession of her father[985]. m JEAN Seigneur de Ferrières, de Thury et de Dangu, son of JEAN Seigneur de Ferrières & his wife Jeanne Dame de Préaux.
MARGUERITE d’Harcourt ). A document dated 1401 relates to the claim made by "Petronilla de Villaribus domina de Feritate Imbaudi relicta defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria quondam militis et domini dicti loci" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannem dominum de Ferreriis milites, necnon Colardum de Estouteville ad causam uxorum suarum heredum dicti defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria Maria de Haricuria uxor dicti Colardi defuncta”[983]. A document dated 1401 records the dispute between "cambellanus noster Ioannes dominus de Ferreriis miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem et Colardum de Estoutevilla dominum de Torciaco et de Beina” concerning the succession of “defunctæ Mariæ de Haricuria uxoris dicti Colardi sororis uxorum dictorum militum” who had shared the succession of “defuncti Guillelmi de Haricuria militis dominis de Feritate Imbaudi”[984]. A document dated 7 Apr 1402 records the claim by "Ioannes dominus de Ferrieres miles et Margareta de Haricuria eius uxor" against “Hugonem de Montemorenciaco militem dominum de Bellosaltu et Ioannam de Haricuria eius uxorem” relating to the succession of her father[985]. m JEAN Seigneur de Ferrières, de Thury et de Dangu, son of JEAN Seigneur de Ferrières & his wife Jeanne Dame de Préaux.
Josiah de la Motte
May 27, 2021, 1:25:49 AM5/27/21
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Thanks for your response, yes I used Medlands to find the page and quoted it in full in what should be generation 12. I messed the numbering up in the post somehow, not sure how that happened.
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