Ramiro III and Ramiro II of Leon, Sancho I and Pedro I of Portugal
Jose Diniz Faria e Maia
My family descendency is supposed to originate in three bastard's sons.
One from the King Ramiro II of Leon, who is said to have had a child,
Alboazar Ramirez, from a mother I don't know the name.
The other is a supposed son of the Portuguese King D. Sancho I of
Portugal, (b.1154) and Maria Moniz, who was not his wife.
Maria Moniz, was sister of Martim Moniz, and supposedly descendent from
a bastard son of Ramiro III of Leon, Vela Osório.
From this union I know there was a child, but I don't know his name.
Another branch interlinks with a soon of the Portuguese King D. Pedro I,
who by his wife D. Inêz de Castro had a child D. João (1349-1397) who
was the Duke of Valencia.
He married Maria Teles de Menezes, and as per my tradition they had a
child by the name of Fernando d'Eça.
My doubts, and for wich any help will be appreciated, are:
1 - Did Ramiro II of Leon had a child by the name of Alboazar Ramirez?
And by whom?
2 - Did Ramiro III of Leon had a bastard son by the name of Vela Osório?
And if yes by whom and what was his name?
3 - Did Sancho I had a child by Maria Moniz ?, and if yes what was his
name?
4- Did the Infant D. João, son of D. Pedro I of Portugal, had a child by
Maria Teles de Menezes called Fernando d'Eça?
If anybody could help me clarify, or comfirm my doubts, or tell me where
could I get the answers to all or some of my points, I would be most
grateful.
José
Todd A. Farmerie
Jose Diniz Faria e Maia wrote:
>
> My family descendency is supposed to originate in three bastard's sons.
> One from the King Ramiro II of Leon, who is said to have had a child,
> Alboazar Ramirez, from a mother I don't know the name.
The supposed mother was "Ortiga". However, this whole story was a
literary invention. The story of Ramiro originated with Ramiro having
his son and heir Ordono by the sister of Alboazar of Gaia. The son then
became, through subsequent versions, Audonio, Antonio, and finally
Alboazar. This last appears to have been particularly attractive to the
Maia family, who traced their origins to a man named Alboazar. However,
as seen in the work of Jose Mattoso, this man was Alboazar Lovesindez -
son of Lovesindo.
> The other is a supposed son of the Portuguese King D. Sancho I of
> Portugal, (b.1154) and Maria Moniz, who was not his wife.
> Maria Moniz, was sister of Martim Moniz, and supposedly descendent from
> a bastard son of Ramiro III of Leon, Vela Osório.
As far as i know, Ramiro III had no suvh bastard. In addition, at the
time of Ramiro III, the nomenclatural system was very strict. Thus it
is possible to conclude with 100% certainty that if there was a Vela
Osorio, then he was son of a man named Osorio. Since the name Osorio
was used by at least one member of the "Vela" clan, then that may be a
good place to look for this Vela, son of Osorio. For Martim Moniz,
again I would suggest the work of Mattoso.
> From this union I know there was a child, but I don't know his name.
> Another branch interlinks with a soon of the Portuguese King D. Pedro I,
> who by his wife D. Inêz de Castro had a child D. João (1349-1397) who
> was the Duke of Valencia.
> He married Maria Teles de Menezes, and as per my tradition they had a
> child by the name of Fernando d'Eça.
Can't help here.
> My doubts, and for wich any help will be appreciated, are:
>
> 1 - Did Ramiro II of Leon had a child by the name of Alboazar Ramirez?
> And by whom?
No. The Maia trace to Alboazar Lovesindez.
> 2 - Did Ramiro III of Leon had a bastard son by the name of Vela Osório?
> And if yes by whom and what was his name?
No, Vela Osorio must have been son of someone named Osorio, perhaps a
member of the Vela clan.
> 3 - Did Sancho I had a child by Maria Moniz ?, and if yes what was his
> name?
I don't know.
> 4- Did the Infant D. João, son of D. Pedro I of Portugal, had a child by
> Maria Teles de Menezes called Fernando d'Eça?
Same here.
taf
Robert Saleron
Todd A. Farmerie <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote in article
<3495D9...@po.cwru.edu>...
> Jose Diniz Faria e Maia wrote:
> >
> > My family descendency is supposed to originate in three bastard's sons.
> > One from the King Ramiro II of Leon, who is said to have had a child,
> > Alboazar Ramirez, from a mother I don't know the name.
>
>
>
> > The other is a supposed son of the Portuguese King D. Sancho I of
> > Portugal, (b.1154) and Maria Moniz, who was not his wife.
> > Maria Moniz, was sister of Martim Moniz, and supposedly descendent from
> > a bastard son of Ramiro III of Leon, Vela Osório.
>
>
>
> > From this union I know there was a child, but I don't know his name.
> > Another branch interlinks with a soon of the Portuguese King D. Pedro I,
> > who by his wife D. Inêz de Castro had a child D. João (1349-1397) who
> > was the Duke of Valencia.
> > He married Maria Teles de Menezes, and as per my tradition they had a
> > child by the name of Fernando d'Eça.
>
> Can't help here.
>
> > My doubts, and for wich any help will be appreciated, are:
> >
>(snip)
>
> > 3 - Did Sancho I had a child by Maria Moniz ?, and if yes what was his
> > name?
>
>
>
> > 4- Did the Infant D. João, son of D. Pedro I of Portugal, had a child by
> > Maria Teles de Menezes called Fernando d'Eça?
>
>
>Yes, Fernando d'Eca was the only son of D Joao by his first wife Maria
Teles de Menezes (sister of his brother FERNANDO I's wife, Queen Leonor).
He was Lord of Eca (in Galicia). According to Sousa's HGCRP Book XIII,
Fernand was married several times (and often concurrently!) and had 42
children! (Altrhough not all of these survived him). His descendants are
therefore to be found throughout Spain and Portugal.