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Possible Sampson addition to Royal Ancestry?
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Mar 11, 2019, 7:56:04 PM3/11/19
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The following text from
"The Manors of Suffolk : notes on their history and devolution"
by Walter Arthur Copinger, H. B. B. 1881
seems to describe a direct line of descent from Sir John de Reydon to
Margaret de Bures, and from Margaret through generations of the Sampson
family of Playford. If this is true, then the Sampsons as well as
John Stratton and Anne Derehaugh have an additional connection to
[HAVILAND 13] of Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry.
Please correct me if I am reading too much into the text below.
Thanks,
Doug Hoppe
"""
MANOR OF SULVEYES OR SULLIES OR MARTYNS AND SULVEGES.
The lordship was vested in early times in John Sulvey. The name
appears under various forms. In 1293 we find a grant by Alfred de Solemy
to his son John in tail of all the lands in Reydon which the grantor inherited
from John de Solemy his uncle, 6 and three years later we find amongst the
ancient deeds in the Exchequer Treasury of the Receipt, now in the Record
Office, a release by Petronilla Pascal, of Reydon, to John de Solemy, son
of Sir Alfred de Solemy, of his messuage, land, and tenement in Reydon. 7
In 7:306 we find also a release by Alexander Tost, of Burnt Wenham, to
John de Sulny, of land in Reydon. 8 In 1311 we find a grant by Robert
Edwold, of Estokysa la Weyward, to John de Sulny and Isabel his wife of
a piece of land of the said Sulny's fee in Reydon, 9 and the same year a
grant by John le Spenser, of Bergholt, to John de Sulny and Isabel his wife
of all the land in Reydon which the said John de Sulny acquired from
Petronilla " Paschal," of Reydon, in Reydon.' Later Sir John Sutton, Knt.,
and Alice his wife, who was the daughter and heir of Sir John de Raydon,
Knt., conveyed this land to Roger de Wolferston, John Brook, parson of
Polstead, and others who demised and granted it in 1397 to William Sampson
and Margaret his wife, daughter of Sir Andrew de Bures."
To them succeeded their son and heir, Thomas Sampson," who died
in 1439, when the estate passed to his son and heir, George Sampson, who
died in 1458, when it vested in his son and heir, Thomas Sampson, who
died in 1 483, ' 3 leaving a son, Sir Thomas Sampson, who died without issue
8th Jan. 1511-12."
"""
"The Manors of Suffolk : notes on their history and devolution"
by Walter Arthur Copinger, H. B. B. 1881
seems to describe a direct line of descent from Sir John de Reydon to
Margaret de Bures, and from Margaret through generations of the Sampson
family of Playford. If this is true, then the Sampsons as well as
John Stratton and Anne Derehaugh have an additional connection to
[HAVILAND 13] of Douglas Richardson's Royal Ancestry.
Please correct me if I am reading too much into the text below.
Thanks,
Doug Hoppe
"""
MANOR OF SULVEYES OR SULLIES OR MARTYNS AND SULVEGES.
The lordship was vested in early times in John Sulvey. The name
appears under various forms. In 1293 we find a grant by Alfred de Solemy
to his son John in tail of all the lands in Reydon which the grantor inherited
from John de Solemy his uncle, 6 and three years later we find amongst the
ancient deeds in the Exchequer Treasury of the Receipt, now in the Record
Office, a release by Petronilla Pascal, of Reydon, to John de Solemy, son
of Sir Alfred de Solemy, of his messuage, land, and tenement in Reydon. 7
In 7:306 we find also a release by Alexander Tost, of Burnt Wenham, to
John de Sulny, of land in Reydon. 8 In 1311 we find a grant by Robert
Edwold, of Estokysa la Weyward, to John de Sulny and Isabel his wife of
a piece of land of the said Sulny's fee in Reydon, 9 and the same year a
grant by John le Spenser, of Bergholt, to John de Sulny and Isabel his wife
of all the land in Reydon which the said John de Sulny acquired from
Petronilla " Paschal," of Reydon, in Reydon.' Later Sir John Sutton, Knt.,
and Alice his wife, who was the daughter and heir of Sir John de Raydon,
Knt., conveyed this land to Roger de Wolferston, John Brook, parson of
Polstead, and others who demised and granted it in 1397 to William Sampson
and Margaret his wife, daughter of Sir Andrew de Bures."
To them succeeded their son and heir, Thomas Sampson," who died
in 1439, when the estate passed to his son and heir, George Sampson, who
died in 1458, when it vested in his son and heir, Thomas Sampson, who
died in 1 483, ' 3 leaving a son, Sir Thomas Sampson, who died without issue
8th Jan. 1511-12."
"""
Douglas Hoppe
Jun 9, 2023, 1:52:39 AM6/9/23
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Sampson family additional support documentation:
"MEDIEVAL GENTLEWOMAN Life in a gentry household in the later middle ages" by Ffiona Swabey, teacher, writer, and broadcaster. copyright 1999, MA in Women's History at Royal
Holloway, University of London
On page 31, Ffiona identifies Alice de Bures, the subject of the book, as having a paternal grandmother 'Alice' who was the daughter of 'Sir John de Raydon of Overbury Hall in Layham Suffolk'.
On page 32, a de Bures family tree with coat of arms, depicts this Alice de Bures with her father and mother as Sir Robert de Bures (d.1361) and 'Joan de Sutton' (d.1406), and also depicts Alice
as the step daughter of Sir Richard Waldegrave (d. 1410). ( Douglas Richardson, in Royal Ancestry volume V, page 292, has this Joan de Sutton as 'Joan' the daughter of Robert Silvester.)
This tree also shows Alice de Bures' first cousin Margaret de Bures as the wife of William Sampson (d. 1439) with Sampson offspring of Agnes and Thomas. Alice de Bures would ultimately
marry Sir Guy Bryan. Both Margaret (de Bures) Sampson and Alice (de Bures) Bryan are shown as great-granddaughters of 'Sir John de Raydon of Overbury Hall in Layham Suffolk'. Sir
Richard Waldegrave (d. 1435), son of the previously mentioned Richard, is also on this family tree as the half brother of Alice (de Bures) Bryan.
This 210 page book shows how Alice not only managed, and documented a set of estates, but also how she socialized with family and acquaintances through time. Ffiona descibes that the
Sampson family visited often, and that she was also regularly visited my her half brother Sir Richard Waldegrave. Ffiona leaves an impression that the Sampsons were not as well off as Alice,
or her step brother Sir Richard, who would go on to become Speaker of the House of Commons.
William Sampson's son Thomas would bring the Playford manor into the Sampson family with his marriage to Margery Felbrigg. Perhaps Alice and her half brother Sir Richard Waldegrave had a hand
in making the connection with Sampson family.
"MEDIEVAL GENTLEWOMAN Life in a gentry household in the later middle ages" by Ffiona Swabey, teacher, writer, and broadcaster. copyright 1999, MA in Women's History at Royal
Holloway, University of London
On page 31, Ffiona identifies Alice de Bures, the subject of the book, as having a paternal grandmother 'Alice' who was the daughter of 'Sir John de Raydon of Overbury Hall in Layham Suffolk'.
On page 32, a de Bures family tree with coat of arms, depicts this Alice de Bures with her father and mother as Sir Robert de Bures (d.1361) and 'Joan de Sutton' (d.1406), and also depicts Alice
as the step daughter of Sir Richard Waldegrave (d. 1410). ( Douglas Richardson, in Royal Ancestry volume V, page 292, has this Joan de Sutton as 'Joan' the daughter of Robert Silvester.)
This tree also shows Alice de Bures' first cousin Margaret de Bures as the wife of William Sampson (d. 1439) with Sampson offspring of Agnes and Thomas. Alice de Bures would ultimately
marry Sir Guy Bryan. Both Margaret (de Bures) Sampson and Alice (de Bures) Bryan are shown as great-granddaughters of 'Sir John de Raydon of Overbury Hall in Layham Suffolk'. Sir
Richard Waldegrave (d. 1435), son of the previously mentioned Richard, is also on this family tree as the half brother of Alice (de Bures) Bryan.
This 210 page book shows how Alice not only managed, and documented a set of estates, but also how she socialized with family and acquaintances through time. Ffiona descibes that the
Sampson family visited often, and that she was also regularly visited my her half brother Sir Richard Waldegrave. Ffiona leaves an impression that the Sampsons were not as well off as Alice,
or her step brother Sir Richard, who would go on to become Speaker of the House of Commons.
William Sampson's son Thomas would bring the Playford manor into the Sampson family with his marriage to Margery Felbrigg. Perhaps Alice and her half brother Sir Richard Waldegrave had a hand
in making the connection with Sampson family.
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