Another C.P. Correction: Death date of Sir William Herbert, Earl of Huntingdon
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 402-403 (sub Pembroke) includes an
account of the life of Sir William Herbert, Knt., Earl of Huntingdon,
2nd Earl of Pembroke, 2nd Lord Herbert, Chief Justice and Chamberlain
of South Wales, Chamberlain to Edward, Prince of Wales. This
individual was an important man in his day, as indicated by his two
marriages. Sir William Herbert's first wife, Mary Wydeville, was the
sister-in-law of King Edward IV of England, while his second wife,
Katherine Plantagenet, was an illegitimate daughter of King Richard
III of England.
Regarding his date of death, Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 403 has the
following to say:
"He died s.p.m. 16 July 1491, and was buried at Tintern Abbey."
The following source is cited for this information: Calendar of Patent
Rolls, 1494-1509, pg. 601.
For evidence that Sir William Herbert, Earl of Huntingdon, died in
July 1490 (probably on 16 July) and not on 16 July 1491, see W.R.B.
Robinson, "The Welsh Estates of Charles, Earl of Worcester in 1520,"
published in Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies, 24, pt. 3
(1971), Addendum, pp. 410-411.
As I noted in my previous post, the later volumes of Complete Peerage
should be used with caution, as should all secondary works.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
mj...@btinternet.com
Dear Douglas
On this one, you are absolutely correct - we find the same attributed
death date of 1491 in other fallible secondary sources, such as
'Plantagent Ancestry', p 396 (Genealogical Publishing Company,
Baltimore, 2004) by D. Richardson. Given that the 1490 death date
appeared in print as early as 1971, and was picked up by ODNB [also a
2004 publication], we must sadly conclude that the author of
'Plantagenet Ancestry' either "was not doing his job properly" or
"suppressed or ignored" Robinson's earlier publication on the
subject. I'm sure you'll agree.
Incidentally, as it happens, Robinson's article is likewise at best a
secondary source. Would you be able to detail the primary source(s)
whereby he deduces a 1490 date instead?
Regards, Michael
WJhonson
In a message dated 05/10/07 13:10:38 Pacific Standard Time, royala...@msn.com writes:
The following source is cited for this information: Calendar of Patent
Rolls, 1494-1509, pg. 601.
For evidence that Sir William Herbert, Earl of Huntingdon, died in
July 1490 (probably on 16 July) and not on 16 July 1491, see W.R.B.
Robinson, "The Welsh Estates of Charles, Earl of Worcester in 1520,"
published in Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies, 24, pt. 3
(1971), Addendum, pp. 410-411.
As I noted in my previous post, the later volumes of Complete Peerage
should be used with caution, as should all secondary works. >>>
I can only conclude the above must be some sort of joke. Esp as it ends by calling for caution in citing secondary works. If Douglas truly consulted this work why didn't Douglas extract the argument from the work ? And then further you'd expect to see what original documents that work cites as it's own authority. To merely throw out a citation claiming to refute what CP states where it purports to cite CPR, without elucidation to any other authority is extraordinary.
Will Johnson