John Conyers of Hornby and Margaret de St. Quinton

[John Watson]

Dear all,

I mentioned in a previous post the cartulary of the Scrope family of
Bolton, Yorkshire, available from the British Library Electronic
Theses Online Service, Ethos http://ethos.bl.uk/Home.do (free
registration required), In the cartulary is the 1391 agreement
between Sir Richard Scrope and John Conyers, for the sale of Margaret,
grand-daughter of Sir Thomas de St. Quintin and her lands in Hornby,
Yorkshire.

Indenture between Sir Richard Lescrop of Bolton and John Conyers,
whereby Richard has sold to John the wardship of the person and lands
of Margaret, cousin and heir to Thomas Seint Quintin, knight, of
Hornby, in Richmondshire, which pertains to him because of the
minority of Margaret. John has paid 200 marks to Richard for the
wardship, so that he may hold her lands during her minority. When she
comes of age at fourteen years old he will do homage to Richard for
the lands according to the right of the lord of Thornton Steward. If
the said Margaret has issue with John or fails to have issue, John
will do fealty to Richard. John will perform scutage for the lands and
forinsec service.
13 August 1391 [French] [fo. 56r]
Scrope of Bolton Cartulary, p. 105, No. 229

Sir Thomas de St. Quintin = Margaret de Hornby
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John de St. Quintin = Elizabeth de Swinhoe
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Margaret de St. Quintin = John Conyers

Regards,

John

[TJ Booth]

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:22 AM, John Watson wrote :

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John,

Thank you for providing the specific date and record for this marriage.

The descent of Hornby noted in William Page's VCH for North Riding Yorkshire
has a different ancestry for Margaret de St. Quintin, as noted below.
William's father - first name unstated - was the brother of the Thomas St.
Quintin who m. Margaret heiress of Hornby. Their connection to the St.
Quintin's of Harpham is undocumented unless Foster shows it. Per Wm Page:
[1]

"In 1332 Christina, widow of Robert [de Hornby], and Thomas St. Quintin were
holding jointly. (fn. 24) At her death the manor came into the sole
possession of the family of St. Quintin, a younger branch of the St.
Quintins of Harpham. (fn. 25 - cites Foster, Yorks. Pedigrees.)

"Thomas [St. Quintin] was succeeded by his nephew William, who had a son and
heir John. (fn. 26 - again Foster) Anthony son of John died at the end of
the 14th century, and left a daughter and heir Margaret,whose wardship and
marriage belonged to Richard Lord Scrope. (fn. 27 - Harl. MS. 793, fol. 59)

"He married Margaret St. Quintin to John Conyers, 'a servant of his own,'
(fn. 28 - Ibid) who became the ancestor of the Conyers of Hornby. He was
succeeded by a son and heir Christopher, who purchased more lands in Hornby.
(fn. 29 - cites Cal. Pat. 1422-9, p. 28; Test. Ebor. (Surt. Soc.), iii, 288
n.)"

Terry Booth
Chicago IL

Footnotes
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[1] William Page, 'Parishes: Hornby', A History of the County of York North
Riding: Volume 1 (1914), pp. 313-320. URL:
www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64759

[John Watson]

Hi Terry,

Please read my previous posts on this subject.

Flower's Visitation (250 years after the events) and Foster are wrong.
William and Anthony de St. Quintin never existed.

The facts in a nutshell are:
Sir Thomas de St. Quintin, possibly a younger son of Sir Geoffrey de
St. Quintin of Harpham was born about 1310. He married, before October
1330, Margaret, daughter and heir of Robert de Hornby of Hornby,
Yorkshire and his wife Christian. They had one son, John who married
before May 1378, Elizabeth de Swinhoe, daughter of William de Swinhoe
(died before March 1368) of Scremerston and Rock, Northumberland and
his wife Elizabeth. John de St. Quintin died about 1380, leaving a
daughter Margaret, heiress of her grandfather Sir Thomas de St.
Quintin who died before August 1391. Elizabeth, widow of John de St.
Quintin married secondly about 1381, Thomas son of Laurence
Mountforth, of Hackforth, Yorkshire, Nunney, Somerset and Riby
Lincolnshire. Thomas died before February 1392, leaving four children
by Elizabeth; Alexander, Thomas, John and Elizabeth. Elizabeth, widow
of Thomas Mountforth married thirdly, William Bishopdale, Mayor of
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland who died s.p. in 1398, She married
fourthly, in or before 1399 Richard Clitheroe, later (1403-1405)
escheator of Northumberland. Elizabeth died before 1410 when Richard
Clitheroe was married to Margery Sulney, widow of Sir Nicholas
Longford of Derbyshire. Richard Clitheroe and Margery were divorced
about 1425 and Richard died s.p. before 11 June 1431.

Regards,

John