Phokas family - from the beginning.
netgazer
Two sons:
1. Flavios Phokas, Exarch of the centurions under the Emperor Maurice
(562-602), Emperor (23/11/602 - 5/10/610). Married Leontia (crowned empress
30/11/602)
One daughter: Domentia Phokas, married Crispos, Duke of Kappadokia, Prefect
of the city.
2. XXXXX Phokas, (first name and wife's name unknown). One son Domentiolos
Phokas (first name does not make any sense). Appointed Kuropalatinos by his
uncle.
Than after some 100 years:
XXXX Phokas (first name and wife's name unknown). One known son:
1. Nikephoros I Phokas. Three known sons:
2 Bardas Phokas, Magister, Domestikos Caesar.
3. Leo Phokas, Grand Logothete. Married the sister of Konstantinos,
etc
4. Michael Phokas. Monk.
2. Bardas Phokas had three sons:
5. Nikephoros II Phokas, (b.912), Emperor (963-969), 2nd wife Theophano
Skleros, one son Bardas Phokas.
6. Leo Phokas, Kuropalatinos, Prefect of Kappadokia.
7. Konstantinos Phokas, Prefect of Secleucie(?) taken prisoner by the
Turks in 935.
3. LEO Phokas, had two sons:
8. Simeon Phokas, named Grand Heteriarque by the empress Zoe.
9 Emanuel Phokas, Illegitimate son, distinguished as General, died 944.
6. Leo Phokas had three sons and a daughter:
10. Nikephoros Phokas. Arrested and exiled by his father.
11. Bardas Phokas. Duke, Prefect of Chaldee(?). Crowned Emperor on
Kappadokia, arrested by General Bardas Skleros and exilde in Chios. Later
he was named Grand Domestikos of the Orient and Caesar put to death by Basil
the Macedonian in 987.
12. Petros Phokas, Eunuch.
13. Sophia Phokas. Married: Konstantinos Skleros, brother of General
Bardas Skleros. One son: Bardas Skleros (had one son Romanos Skleros) One
daughter: Theophano Skleros wife of Romanos II Emperor
11. Bardas Phokas, had one son:
14 Nikephoros Phokas. revolted against the Emperor and was put to
death in 1120.
In 1182, The whole Phokas family, under the leadership of the Senator John
Phokas moved to Crete (under the leadership of Isaakios Komnenos (Also known
as Isaac II Komnenos) in the same expedition were also the senator Marinos
Skordillis and the noble families of: Gavalas, Kafatos, Arkoleos Vlastos,
Vlastos, Chortatzis, Moussouros, Litinos, Argyros, Melissinos and Varouchos.
The Phokas families that took part in this expedition and settled in Crete
were:
Senator John Phokas (family patriarch), Leo Phokas, Jacob Phokas, Andreas
Phokas, Alexios Phokas, Nikephoros Phokas, Michael Phokas and Bardas Phokas.
Theyr all their families (some 1400 persons)
Form 1200, the Phokas family became Kalliergis.
There are some errors and omissions here and there,
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> 6. Leo Phokas had three sons and a daughter:
> 10. Nikephoros Phokas. Arrested and exiled by his father.
> 11. Bardas Phokas. Duke, Prefect of Chaldee(?). Crowned Emperor on
> Kappadokia, arrested by General Bardas Skleros and exilde in Chios. Later
> he was named Grand Domestikos of the Orient and Caesar put to death by Basil
> the Macedonian in 987.
> 12. Petros Phokas, Eunuch.
> 13. Sophia Phokas. Married: Konstantinos Skleros, brother of General
> Bardas Skleros. One son: Bardas Skleros (had one son Romanos Skleros) One
> daughter: Theophano Skleros wife of Romanos II Emperor
Is this a typo? Isn't this one of the two placements given Theophano
wife of Otto II of Germany (the other being as daughter of Romanos II)?
taf
Horst Enzensberger
>
> netgazer wrote:
> >
> > 6. Leo Phokas had three sons and a daughter:
> > 10. Nikephoros Phokas. Arrested and exiled by his father.
> > 11. Bardas Phokas. Duke, Prefect of Chaldee(?). Crowned Emperor on
> > Kappadokia, arrested by General Bardas Skleros and exilde in Chios. Later
> > he was named Grand Domestikos of the Orient and Caesar put to death by Basil
> > the Macedonian in 987.
> > 12. Petros Phokas, Eunuch.
> > 13. Sophia Phokas. Married: Konstantinos Skleros, brother of General
> > Bardas Skleros. One son: Bardas Skleros (had one son Romanos Skleros) One
> > daughter: Theophano Skleros wife of Romanos II Emperor
This Theophano , after the death of Romanos in 963, was married to Nikephoros
II Phokas successor of Romanos (V. Grumel, La chronolgie, Paris 1958, p.363)
and mother of Basileios II. Theophano isn‘t a rare name : the first wife of
Leo VI (886 - 912) was also a Theophano.
>
> Is this a typo? Isn't this one of the two placements given Theophano
> wife of Otto II of Germany (the other being as daughter of Romanos II)?
>
> taf
The Theophano married by Otto II in 972 seemes to bee a niece of Johannes
Tzimiskes; for Mathilde Uhlirz and W. Ohnsorge she is a descendant of Romanos
I Lakapenos (920 - 944)
--
Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Prof. Dr. Horst Enzensberger
Historische Hilfswissenschaften
Otto - Friedrich- Universitaet Bamberg
netgazer
Nikephoros
II Phokas successor of Romanos (V. Grumel, La chronolgie, Paris 1958, p.363)
and mother of Basileios II. Theophano isn't a rare name : the first wife of
Leo VI (886 - 912) was also a Theophano.
>
> Is this a typo? Isn't this one of the two placements given Theophano
> wife of Otto II of Germany (the other being as daughter of Romanos II)?
>
> taf
The Theophano married by Otto II in 972 seemes to bee a niece of Johannes
Tzimiskes; for Mathilde Uhlirz and W. Ohnsorge she is a descendant of
Romanos
I Lakapenos (920 - 944)
There is something wrong with these "Theophano's", both are daughters of the
same father, the one Theophano and Bardas Phokas his are children from his
marriage to Sophia Phokas, the second Theophano is from another wife or
mistress. There were born a few years apart The younger married OTTO II and
older married twice.
I also made two more errors.
in 5. Nikephoros II Phokas had a son Bardas Phokas from his 1st wife, from
Theophano Skleros he had (to my knowledge) no children.
in 12 the correct name in Peter Phokas and not Petro. He was known as the
Hero of the Saracen wars.
Chris Bennett
netgazer <om...@thoroughbreds.com.au> wrote in message
news:n2_C3.16$1b6....@vic.nntp.telstra.net...
> Phokas (first name and wife unknown) b. around 540.
> Two sons:
> 1. Flavios Phokas, Exarch of the centurions under the Emperor Maurice
> (562-602), Emperor (23/11/602 - 5/10/610). Married Leontia (crowned
empress
> 30/11/602)
> One daughter: Domentia Phokas, married Crispos, Duke of Kappadokia,
Prefect
> of the city.
>
What is the evidence that the later Phokas family is descended from or even
related to the emperor? I would be very interested to read any refernces
you have on this point.
Chris
netgazer
> > Two sons:
> > 1. Flavios Phokas, Exarch of the centurions under the Emperor Maurice
> > (562-602), Emperor (23/11/602 - 5/10/610). Married Leontia (crowned
> empress
> > 30/11/602)
> > One daughter: Domentia Phokas, married Crispos, Duke of Kappadokia,
> Prefect
> > of the city.
> >
> <snip>
>
> What is the evidence that the later Phokas family is descended from or
even
> related to the emperor? I would be very interested to read any refernces
> you have on this point.
As my professor used to say, the only certainty in life is that nothing is
certain. (today with DNA tests that does not apply).
When you take into account that:
A. both groups originated from the same area, in asia minor (as you know,
there were NO forced castrations then); and
B. (allegedly) there is a continous "connection" from Flavios Phokas to the
Bardas Phokas,
the above must be accepted as (for the time being) correct.
I should mentioned that there is a "reference" about it, in one of the
"Libre Doro" books, but I did never see it, neither I know in which one it
is. I was hopping that somebody knew, and could fill the gap.
regards
GT
Did all of the Phokas became Kalliergis? I have in my family tree one
Romain de Phocas, b. c. 1684 from Langon, dept. of Gironde, France, son of
Renaud de Phocas and Catherine de Gaspart. Do you know if they were of the same
family?
Yves Gagne
netgazer wrote:
> Phokas (first name and wife unknown) b. around 540.
> Two sons:
> 1. Flavios Phokas, Exarch of the centurions under the Emperor Maurice
> (562-602), Emperor (23/11/602 - 5/10/610). Married Leontia (crowned empress
> 30/11/602)
> One daughter: Domentia Phokas, married Crispos, Duke of Kappadokia, Prefect
> of the city.
>
> 2. XXXXX Phokas, (first name and wife's name unknown). One son Domentiolos
> Phokas (first name does not make any sense). Appointed Kuropalatinos by his
> uncle.
>
> Than after some 100 years:
>
> XXXX Phokas (first name and wife's name unknown). One known son:
> 1. Nikephoros I Phokas. Three known sons:
> 2 Bardas Phokas, Magister, Domestikos Caesar.
> 3. Leo Phokas, Grand Logothete. Married the sister of Konstantinos,
> etc
> 4. Michael Phokas. Monk.
>
> 2. Bardas Phokas had three sons:
> 5. Nikephoros II Phokas, (b.912), Emperor (963-969), 2nd wife Theophano
> Skleros, one son Bardas Phokas.
> 6. Leo Phokas, Kuropalatinos, Prefect of Kappadokia.
> 7. Konstantinos Phokas, Prefect of Secleucie(?) taken prisoner by the
> Turks in 935.
>
> 3. LEO Phokas, had two sons:
> 8. Simeon Phokas, named Grand Heteriarque by the empress Zoe.
> 9 Emanuel Phokas, Illegitimate son, distinguished as General, died 944.
>
> 6. Leo Phokas had three sons and a daughter:
> 10. Nikephoros Phokas. Arrested and exiled by his father.
> 11. Bardas Phokas. Duke, Prefect of Chaldee(?). Crowned Emperor on
> Kappadokia, arrested by General Bardas Skleros and exilde in Chios. Later
> he was named Grand Domestikos of the Orient and Caesar put to death by Basil
> the Macedonian in 987.
> 12. Petros Phokas, Eunuch.
> 13. Sophia Phokas. Married: Konstantinos Skleros, brother of General
> Bardas Skleros. One son: Bardas Skleros (had one son Romanos Skleros) One
> daughter: Theophano Skleros wife of Romanos II Emperor
>
netgazer
> Romain de Phocas, b. c. 1684 from Langon, dept. of Gironde, France, son of
> Renaud de Phocas and Catherine de Gaspart. Do you know if they were of
the same
> family?
That is not very clear. There are many stories about the Phokas family that
are not fully researched.
One story is that in 1453 after the Turks took over the "City", two Phokas
brothers, Stephanos and Emanuel took refuge in Peloponisos. Emanuel Phokas
moved to Kephalonia with his family and established the Phokas family there.
There is a problem, the name "Phokas" is written that way (with "Ph")
because the following letter "o" is "omega".
The Kephalonian "Phokas" writte themselves using "F" "Fokas" therefore it
is not a forgone conclusion that the two are the same family. We know, and
it is a fact, that many "employees" of noble families took the names of
their masters (out of respect, because they considered themselves as
belonging to that family) as well as some "nobodies" adapted names of Nobles
to "Cheat", etc.
The other story is some Phokas (together with members of the Vlastos and
Moussouros family), either dissatisfied with the "setup" in Crete, or in
search for something different migrated to the Ionian Islands and from there
to Venice. Some of those may have retained their original name.
Some details are allegedly included in the "Libre Doro", which one? I do not
know.
I know the answer to your Question is in the Venice Library archives. My
guess is: If the name is written "Phokas" than it is "Phokas". Could you
please send me "Privately at om...@thoroughbreds.com.au" more details? I
have some 554 Phokas names that are not linked from 1500 to 1940 and I can
not use them because most first names are misspelled.
CORRECTION: Flavios Phokas's daughter married Priskos and not Krispos.
regards