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Hal Bradley via
Oct 10, 2014, 8:42:55 AM10/10/14
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Cokayne's "Complete Baronetage" 2:409 identifies the father of Arthur
Pilkington (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158
<http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158&tree=LEO>
&tree=LEO) as Frederick Pilkington. The 1584/85 Visitation of Yorkshire
identifies Arthur Pilkington's father as Thomas Pilkington. Unless there was
an error in the transcription, since it is signed by Arthur Pilkington circa
1612, it would seem reasonable to conclude that Arthur Pilkington knew that
name of his father and that Thomas Pilkington is correct.
"The English Baronetage" (Wotton, 1741) 4:339 presents a pedigree of the
Pilkingtons of Nether Bradley as provided by Lyon Pilkington (baronet, 1726)
which also identifies Arthur Pilkington's father as Thomas Pilkington.
The National Archives references a deed dated in 1583 [see (I) below] which
identifies Thomas Pilkington of Nether Bradley as deceased. This Thomas is
undoubtedly the grandfather of Arthur Pilkington. There is also a release
dated 1586 [see (II) below] by Thomas Pilkington, who would appear to be the
head of the family at this time. This seems to verify that the succession at
Nether Bradley was Thomas Pilkington -> Thomas Pilkington -> Arthur
Pilkington. The Lionel Pilkington who witnessed the 1586 release was
probably a younger son of the elder Thomas Pilkington, named for his
maternal grandfather, Lionel Reresby.
"British Roots of Maryland Families" 2:177 also identifies Arthur
Pilkington's father as Frederick Pilkington without sources. I can only
assume that Cokayne's "Complete Baronetage" was the source for this
information. However, I can find no evidence of a Frederick Pilkington
associated with Nether Bradley.
Any further evidence pertaining to the identification or Arthur Pilkington's
father would be most welcome.
Cheers,
Hal Bradley
>From the National Archives:
(I)
Title:
Deeds relating to BRADLEY
Reference:
KM/306
Description:
Receipt by John Hirst of Nether Bradley husbandman, from John Armytage of
Kirklees, gent., for a lease dated 22 Jan., 7 Eliz. (1565), by Thos.
Pilkington, deceased, to the said John Hirst, of divers messuages in Nether
Bradley, for 41 years, and other deeds. Witnesses, Robert Hirst, Richard
Sharpe.
Date:
8 Jun 1583
Held by:
West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale
<http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13532918> , not
available at The National Archives
Language:
English
(II)
Title:
RELEASE
Reference:
KM/472
Description:
General release by Thomas Pilkington, of Nether Bradley, co. York, Esquire,
to John Armitage, of Kirklees, gent., from all actions.
Witnesses Lionell Pilkington, gent., George Richardson, Richard Hackborne,
John Hirst.
Date:
27 Apr 1586
Held by:
West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale
<http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13532918> , not
available at The National Archives
Language:
English
Pilkington (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158
<http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158&tree=LEO>
&tree=LEO) as Frederick Pilkington. The 1584/85 Visitation of Yorkshire
identifies Arthur Pilkington's father as Thomas Pilkington. Unless there was
an error in the transcription, since it is signed by Arthur Pilkington circa
1612, it would seem reasonable to conclude that Arthur Pilkington knew that
name of his father and that Thomas Pilkington is correct.
"The English Baronetage" (Wotton, 1741) 4:339 presents a pedigree of the
Pilkingtons of Nether Bradley as provided by Lyon Pilkington (baronet, 1726)
which also identifies Arthur Pilkington's father as Thomas Pilkington.
The National Archives references a deed dated in 1583 [see (I) below] which
identifies Thomas Pilkington of Nether Bradley as deceased. This Thomas is
undoubtedly the grandfather of Arthur Pilkington. There is also a release
dated 1586 [see (II) below] by Thomas Pilkington, who would appear to be the
head of the family at this time. This seems to verify that the succession at
Nether Bradley was Thomas Pilkington -> Thomas Pilkington -> Arthur
Pilkington. The Lionel Pilkington who witnessed the 1586 release was
probably a younger son of the elder Thomas Pilkington, named for his
maternal grandfather, Lionel Reresby.
"British Roots of Maryland Families" 2:177 also identifies Arthur
Pilkington's father as Frederick Pilkington without sources. I can only
assume that Cokayne's "Complete Baronetage" was the source for this
information. However, I can find no evidence of a Frederick Pilkington
associated with Nether Bradley.
Any further evidence pertaining to the identification or Arthur Pilkington's
father would be most welcome.
Cheers,
Hal Bradley
>From the National Archives:
(I)
Title:
Deeds relating to BRADLEY
Reference:
KM/306
Description:
Receipt by John Hirst of Nether Bradley husbandman, from John Armytage of
Kirklees, gent., for a lease dated 22 Jan., 7 Eliz. (1565), by Thos.
Pilkington, deceased, to the said John Hirst, of divers messuages in Nether
Bradley, for 41 years, and other deeds. Witnesses, Robert Hirst, Richard
Sharpe.
Date:
8 Jun 1583
Held by:
West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale
<http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13532918> , not
available at The National Archives
Language:
English
(II)
Title:
RELEASE
Reference:
KM/472
Description:
General release by Thomas Pilkington, of Nether Bradley, co. York, Esquire,
to John Armitage, of Kirklees, gent., from all actions.
Witnesses Lionell Pilkington, gent., George Richardson, Richard Hackborne,
John Hirst.
Date:
27 Apr 1586
Held by:
West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale
<http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13532918> , not
available at The National Archives
Language:
English
TJ Booth_sbc
Oct 19, 2014, 6:55:39 PM10/19/14
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On Friday, October 10, 2014 7:42:55 AM UTC-5, Hal Bradley via wrote:
> Cokayne's "Complete Baronetage" 2:409 identifies the father of Arthur Pilkington (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158&tree=LEO) as Frederick Pilkington.
<snip>
> Any further evidence pertaining to the identification or Arthur Pilkington's father would be most welcome.
Have been on holiday, hence the late reply.
I do not know the source for Burke's statement (which appears in the 1833 4th Edition and perhaps earlier) [1] that Sir Arthur Pilkington's father was named 'Frederick'. But it cites no source, and like all Burke's statements should be confirmed by other sources. It is wrong, since there is more than enough other contemporary evidence his name was 'Thomas'. Despite that, Burke's error gets repeated enough that people believe it.
The additional evidence cited below also supports John Higgins' 2006 post that noted that Katherine Pilkington, mother of colonial immigrants Nicholas and Henry Lowe, has an elsewhere unrecognized (i.e. not noted in RD600 and all of Richardson's books) royal ancestry. [2]
The Pilkingtons of Yorkshire are noted on pages 68-78 of John Pilkington; 'History of the Pilkington Family' [3rd Edition]; Liverpool; C Tynling; 1912, URL = https://archive.org/stream/historyofpilking00pilk#page/68/mode/2up. It too reflects Burke, assigning that first name to Sir Arthur's father, on page 78. But it is an inexplicable statement, since in the earlier paragraph on that page it states that the heir of Sir Arthur's grandfather Thomas (m. Barbara Reresby) was his son Thomas, and there is no evidence he had a son named Frederick.
The name Thomas is documented - with additional dates and sources, and proof of the order of his 2 wives - in Joseph Jackson Howard's Visitation of England and Wales, Vol 4 , URL = http://books.google.com/books?id=kOoKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131. There is no mention of any son named Frederick, and a 7 Sep 1611 will (proved 23 Dec 1611) as well as an ipm for Thomas Pilkington of Stanley is cited. Thomas' 1st wife was Frances Rodes and 2nd wife (m. 10 Jun 1600 at Huddersfield) was Grace Beaumont. The marriage of Sir Arthur's dau Katherine Pilkington (bap 29 Apr 1629 in Wakefield - a date not found in Richardson's various books) to John Lowe Esq. of Denby d. 1659 is noted on page 133. This couple is identified by Richardson and others as the parents of immigrants Col Nicholas Lowe and Col. Henry Lowe.
Robert Glover's 1612 Yorkshire pedigree for Pilkington of Nether Bradley, page 562, offers other contemporary documentation for the critical 3 generations of 1) Thomas Pilkington m. Reresby; whose son 2) Thomas Pilkington m. Rodes; and whose son was (Sir) Arthur Pilkington. The correspondent was surely Arthur Pilkington himself, "now living 1612", who m. before that date, Ellen Lyon (dau of Henry) of Roxby Lincs. No children are shown, consistent with Arthur (only later named a knight and baronet) and his wife being recently married. Arthur's father is stated to be Thomas Pilkington Esq. of Nether Bradley (m. a dau of Sir Francis Rodes of Woodthorpe, co. Derby), and his grandfather was Thomas Pilkington Esq. who m. a there unidentified dau of Lyonel Esq. of Thribergh. These identities conform to the evidence used for the Jackson visitation.
As earlier mentioned, John Higgins noted in 2006 (albeit using the name 'Frederick'), Barbara Reresby has a royal ancestry that includes Edward I.
. Edw I 'Longshanks' Plantagenet, b. 17 Jun 1239, d. 8 Jun 1307, m. 18 Oct 1254 Eleanor of Castile, b. abt 1244, d. 28 Nov 1290
. Joan of Acre b. abt 1272, d. 23 Apr 1307, m. 30 Apr 1290 Sir Gilbert 'the Red' de Clare, 6th Earl of Gloucester, b. 2 Sep 1243, d. 7 Dec 1295
. Elizabeth de Clare b. Nov 1295, d. 4 Nov 1360, m. 4 Feb 1316 Sir Theobaud de Verdun, 2nd Lord Verdun, b. 8 Sep 1278, d. 27 Jul 1316
. Isabel de Verdun b. 21 Mar 1317, d. 25 Jul 1349, m. 20 Feb 1330 Henry de Ferrers 2nd Lord Ferrers, b. abt 1303, d. 15 Sep 1343
. Elizabeth de Ferrers b. perhaps 1336, d. 23 Oct 1375, m. abt 1352 David de Strathbogie, 3rd Lord Strathbogie, b. abt 1332, d. 10 Oct 1369
. Elizabeth Strathbogie b. 1 Mar 1362, d. aft 1416, m. bef 16 Sep 1388, Sir John Le Scrope b. abt 1355, d. bef 23 Dec 1405.
. Thomas Clarell Esq. b. abt 1402, d. bef 15 Jul 1450, m. 8 May 1408 Elizabeth Scrope b. perhaps 1400, d. aft 18 Jul 1455
. Elizabeth Clarell b. 5 Feb 1422, d. 23 Apr 1503, m. perhaps 1445, Sir Richard FitzWilliam of Aldwarke b. perhaps 1422 d. 22 Sep 1479
. Margaret FitzWilliam b. perhaps 1446, d. 25 Jul 1505 m. settlement 20 Jul 1466 Ralph Reresby b. perhaps 1445, d. bef 18 Apr 1528, their M.I. in Thribergh Church
. Thomas Reresby b. perhaps 1470, d. bef 20 Feb 1543/44 m. 8 Aug 1507 Margaret Fulnetby b. perhaps 1470, d. aft 1549
. Lionel Reresby of Thribergh Yorks b. perhaps 1500, d. bef 11 May 1587 m. perhaps 1525 Ann Swift of Rotherham, b. perhaps 1505, d. bef 11 May 1587. They had 6 sons and 8 daus per an M.I. in Thribergh Church.
. Barbara Reresby b. perhaps 1530, d. aft 1 Nov 1566 m. perhaps 1550 Thomas Pilkington b. perhaps 1532 d. 17 Jun 1565. She m.(2) Robert Saville.
. Thomas Pilkington b. perhaps 1552 d. 14 Sep 1611 m.(1) perhaps 1585 Frances Rodes b. perhaps 1565, d. bef 10 Jun 1600. He m.(2) 10 Jun 1600 in Huddersfield, Grace Beaumont dau of Edward Esq. of Whitley Beaumont.
. Sir Arthur Pilkington b. Jul 1590 buried 5 Sep 1650 St. Marys Cripplegate, m. bef 1612 Ellen Lyon b. perhaps 1590, buried 5 Feb 1642
. Katherine Pilkington bapt 29 Apr 1620 m. bef 1642 John Lowe Esq. of Denby co Derby bapt 2 Apr 1616, d. abt 1659
Katherine Pilkington and John Lowe had gateway immigrants Col. Nicholas Lowe of Talbot Co., and Col. Henry Lowe of St. Marys Co., Maryland.
Leo's great database already has the royal descent down to Lionel Reresby m. Ann Swift in his database (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00453175&tree=LEO). Barbara Reresby (without a father) m. Thomas Pilkington is at (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484164&tree=LEO). It is suggested he add Barbara as Lionel Reresby's dau, and then rename Barbara's son 'Thomas', not 'Frederick'.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
Footnote
--------
1. John Burke; A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage [4th Edition]; London; 1833; Vol 2, page 299 @ http://books.google.com/books?id=yeo8AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA299
2. John Higgins; Pilkington additions to RPA and MCA; 14 May 2006. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2006-05/1147632767
> Cokayne's "Complete Baronetage" 2:409 identifies the father of Arthur Pilkington (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484158&tree=LEO) as Frederick Pilkington.
<snip>
> Any further evidence pertaining to the identification or Arthur Pilkington's father would be most welcome.
I do not know the source for Burke's statement (which appears in the 1833 4th Edition and perhaps earlier) [1] that Sir Arthur Pilkington's father was named 'Frederick'. But it cites no source, and like all Burke's statements should be confirmed by other sources. It is wrong, since there is more than enough other contemporary evidence his name was 'Thomas'. Despite that, Burke's error gets repeated enough that people believe it.
The additional evidence cited below also supports John Higgins' 2006 post that noted that Katherine Pilkington, mother of colonial immigrants Nicholas and Henry Lowe, has an elsewhere unrecognized (i.e. not noted in RD600 and all of Richardson's books) royal ancestry. [2]
The Pilkingtons of Yorkshire are noted on pages 68-78 of John Pilkington; 'History of the Pilkington Family' [3rd Edition]; Liverpool; C Tynling; 1912, URL = https://archive.org/stream/historyofpilking00pilk#page/68/mode/2up. It too reflects Burke, assigning that first name to Sir Arthur's father, on page 78. But it is an inexplicable statement, since in the earlier paragraph on that page it states that the heir of Sir Arthur's grandfather Thomas (m. Barbara Reresby) was his son Thomas, and there is no evidence he had a son named Frederick.
The name Thomas is documented - with additional dates and sources, and proof of the order of his 2 wives - in Joseph Jackson Howard's Visitation of England and Wales, Vol 4 , URL = http://books.google.com/books?id=kOoKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131. There is no mention of any son named Frederick, and a 7 Sep 1611 will (proved 23 Dec 1611) as well as an ipm for Thomas Pilkington of Stanley is cited. Thomas' 1st wife was Frances Rodes and 2nd wife (m. 10 Jun 1600 at Huddersfield) was Grace Beaumont. The marriage of Sir Arthur's dau Katherine Pilkington (bap 29 Apr 1629 in Wakefield - a date not found in Richardson's various books) to John Lowe Esq. of Denby d. 1659 is noted on page 133. This couple is identified by Richardson and others as the parents of immigrants Col Nicholas Lowe and Col. Henry Lowe.
Robert Glover's 1612 Yorkshire pedigree for Pilkington of Nether Bradley, page 562, offers other contemporary documentation for the critical 3 generations of 1) Thomas Pilkington m. Reresby; whose son 2) Thomas Pilkington m. Rodes; and whose son was (Sir) Arthur Pilkington. The correspondent was surely Arthur Pilkington himself, "now living 1612", who m. before that date, Ellen Lyon (dau of Henry) of Roxby Lincs. No children are shown, consistent with Arthur (only later named a knight and baronet) and his wife being recently married. Arthur's father is stated to be Thomas Pilkington Esq. of Nether Bradley (m. a dau of Sir Francis Rodes of Woodthorpe, co. Derby), and his grandfather was Thomas Pilkington Esq. who m. a there unidentified dau of Lyonel Esq. of Thribergh. These identities conform to the evidence used for the Jackson visitation.
As earlier mentioned, John Higgins noted in 2006 (albeit using the name 'Frederick'), Barbara Reresby has a royal ancestry that includes Edward I.
. Edw I 'Longshanks' Plantagenet, b. 17 Jun 1239, d. 8 Jun 1307, m. 18 Oct 1254 Eleanor of Castile, b. abt 1244, d. 28 Nov 1290
. Joan of Acre b. abt 1272, d. 23 Apr 1307, m. 30 Apr 1290 Sir Gilbert 'the Red' de Clare, 6th Earl of Gloucester, b. 2 Sep 1243, d. 7 Dec 1295
. Elizabeth de Clare b. Nov 1295, d. 4 Nov 1360, m. 4 Feb 1316 Sir Theobaud de Verdun, 2nd Lord Verdun, b. 8 Sep 1278, d. 27 Jul 1316
. Isabel de Verdun b. 21 Mar 1317, d. 25 Jul 1349, m. 20 Feb 1330 Henry de Ferrers 2nd Lord Ferrers, b. abt 1303, d. 15 Sep 1343
. Elizabeth de Ferrers b. perhaps 1336, d. 23 Oct 1375, m. abt 1352 David de Strathbogie, 3rd Lord Strathbogie, b. abt 1332, d. 10 Oct 1369
. Elizabeth Strathbogie b. 1 Mar 1362, d. aft 1416, m. bef 16 Sep 1388, Sir John Le Scrope b. abt 1355, d. bef 23 Dec 1405.
. Thomas Clarell Esq. b. abt 1402, d. bef 15 Jul 1450, m. 8 May 1408 Elizabeth Scrope b. perhaps 1400, d. aft 18 Jul 1455
. Elizabeth Clarell b. 5 Feb 1422, d. 23 Apr 1503, m. perhaps 1445, Sir Richard FitzWilliam of Aldwarke b. perhaps 1422 d. 22 Sep 1479
. Margaret FitzWilliam b. perhaps 1446, d. 25 Jul 1505 m. settlement 20 Jul 1466 Ralph Reresby b. perhaps 1445, d. bef 18 Apr 1528, their M.I. in Thribergh Church
. Thomas Reresby b. perhaps 1470, d. bef 20 Feb 1543/44 m. 8 Aug 1507 Margaret Fulnetby b. perhaps 1470, d. aft 1549
. Lionel Reresby of Thribergh Yorks b. perhaps 1500, d. bef 11 May 1587 m. perhaps 1525 Ann Swift of Rotherham, b. perhaps 1505, d. bef 11 May 1587. They had 6 sons and 8 daus per an M.I. in Thribergh Church.
. Barbara Reresby b. perhaps 1530, d. aft 1 Nov 1566 m. perhaps 1550 Thomas Pilkington b. perhaps 1532 d. 17 Jun 1565. She m.(2) Robert Saville.
. Thomas Pilkington b. perhaps 1552 d. 14 Sep 1611 m.(1) perhaps 1585 Frances Rodes b. perhaps 1565, d. bef 10 Jun 1600. He m.(2) 10 Jun 1600 in Huddersfield, Grace Beaumont dau of Edward Esq. of Whitley Beaumont.
. Sir Arthur Pilkington b. Jul 1590 buried 5 Sep 1650 St. Marys Cripplegate, m. bef 1612 Ellen Lyon b. perhaps 1590, buried 5 Feb 1642
. Katherine Pilkington bapt 29 Apr 1620 m. bef 1642 John Lowe Esq. of Denby co Derby bapt 2 Apr 1616, d. abt 1659
Katherine Pilkington and John Lowe had gateway immigrants Col. Nicholas Lowe of Talbot Co., and Col. Henry Lowe of St. Marys Co., Maryland.
Leo's great database already has the royal descent down to Lionel Reresby m. Ann Swift in his database (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00453175&tree=LEO). Barbara Reresby (without a father) m. Thomas Pilkington is at (http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00484164&tree=LEO). It is suggested he add Barbara as Lionel Reresby's dau, and then rename Barbara's son 'Thomas', not 'Frederick'.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
Footnote
--------
1. John Burke; A General and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage [4th Edition]; London; 1833; Vol 2, page 299 @ http://books.google.com/books?id=yeo8AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA299
2. John Higgins; Pilkington additions to RPA and MCA; 14 May 2006. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2006-05/1147632767
TJ Booth_sbc
Oct 20, 2014, 8:49:18 AM10/20/14
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On Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:55:39 PM UTC-5, TJ Booth_sbc wrote:
<Snip>
> The name Thomas is documented - with additional dates and sources, and proof of the order of his 2 wives - in Joseph Jackson Howard's Visitation of England and Wales, Vol 4 , URL = http://books.google.com/books?id=kOoKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131. There is no mention of any son named Frederick, and a 7 Sep 1611 will (proved 23 Dec 1611) as well as an ipm for Thomas Pilkington of Stanley is cited. Thomas' 1st wife was Frances Rodes and 2nd wife (m. 10 Jun 1600 at Huddersfield) was Grace Beaumont. The marriage of Sir Arthur's dau Katherine Pilkington (bap 29 Apr 1629 in Wakefield - a date not found in Richardson's various books) to John Lowe Esq. of Denby d. 1659 is noted on page 133. This couple is identified by Richardson and others as the parents of immigrants Col Nicholas Lowe and Col. Henry Lowe.
<Snip>
Typo Correction. Katherine Pilkington's baptismal date in the next to last sentence should read "29 Apr 1620 in Wakefield". This conforms to the date later in my post (and what is stated in the Joseph Jackson visitation).
Thanks to Hal for noting this.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
<Snip>
> The name Thomas is documented - with additional dates and sources, and proof of the order of his 2 wives - in Joseph Jackson Howard's Visitation of England and Wales, Vol 4 , URL = http://books.google.com/books?id=kOoKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131. There is no mention of any son named Frederick, and a 7 Sep 1611 will (proved 23 Dec 1611) as well as an ipm for Thomas Pilkington of Stanley is cited. Thomas' 1st wife was Frances Rodes and 2nd wife (m. 10 Jun 1600 at Huddersfield) was Grace Beaumont. The marriage of Sir Arthur's dau Katherine Pilkington (bap 29 Apr 1629 in Wakefield - a date not found in Richardson's various books) to John Lowe Esq. of Denby d. 1659 is noted on page 133. This couple is identified by Richardson and others as the parents of immigrants Col Nicholas Lowe and Col. Henry Lowe.
Typo Correction. Katherine Pilkington's baptismal date in the next to last sentence should read "29 Apr 1620 in Wakefield". This conforms to the date later in my post (and what is stated in the Joseph Jackson visitation).
Thanks to Hal for noting this.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
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I am starting the transcription of around 63 scans of the correspondence
of Ann Nooth and Charles Mellish in the early 1790s concerning primarily
the pedigrees of of the de la Hay and Vavasour families, but including
much detail about the Fossards, and Hildyards. Places mentioned in the
first letter include: Spaldington, Aughton, Ellerton, Fenwick,
Skelbrook, Howden,
Ann Nooth was the owner of the manor of Spaldington, and was directly
descended from the Vavasours and the de la Hays.
After a quick scan of the letters it appears that Ann Nooth was able to
quote from several evidences in her possession. Detailed pedigrees were
eventually drawn.
If anyone is interested in cooperating in this transcription, or proof
reading my transcriptions, then let me know.
Below is my first pass at the transcription of the first letter:
Cheers
Wibs
https://www.dropbox.com/s/81w2x4a7b280f80/Me%20LM%2015-2_scan%201.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9enxcc8jldqfq2/Me%20LM%2015-2_scan%202.jpg?dl=0
*Me LM 15/2*
Letter from Ann Nooth to Charles Mellish, 1^st May 1790
No. 15 Berkeley S^t .
Manchester Sq^re .
London
May ye 1^st , 1790
D^r S^r :
I take the Liberty of writing to you on a Subject which Interests my
Curiosity, and upon which I am told that you (from your great knowledge
of the Ancient History of this Kingdom, and being very Conversant in
Doomsday Book) are likely to give me better Information than almost any
other Person.
I inherit[ed] the Estate and manor of Spaldington in the Parish of
Bubwith near Howden in the East-riding of Yorkshire; it has Descended
down to me by regular Succession from my Ancestors the De la Hays, who
were settled there in the year 1100.
I am entirely Ignorant when or how the Family were first possessed of
the Lordship of Spaldington and shall be very much obliged to you S^r if
you can inform me. We have an original Grant under the Privy Seal to
Peter de la Hay of free Warren over the Manor of Spaldington and the
Forest which Grant is dated August ye 12^th the first year of the Reign
of Henry ye 1^st .
The male line of the De la Hays ended in Sr Thomas de la Hay Knt Lord of
Spaldington who left four Daughters Coheiresses of who Isabel ye eldest
married John Vavasour Brother to S^r Henry Vavasour of Hazlewood Knt.
She had the Manor of Spaldington with that of Holme in the Wold, besides
Land in other Places. Joan Katherine see Desd ye 2^nd Daughter Married
Chris^r Hildyard, and had the Manors of Fenwick and Skelbrook in the
West-riding. Elizabeth 3^rd Daughter Married Thomas Knight and had the
Manor of Bubwith and Lands in Aughton and other places. Alice ye 4^th
Daughter Married Thomas Thwaites of Smeeton, and had all the Lands,
Tenements, and Reversions late the Property of S^r Peter de la Hay; viz:
in Howden, Howdenshire, Little Smeeton, and Allertonshire. The Partition
Deed bears date about the year 1430 and it is amongst the Ancient
Evidences of S^r Rob^t Hildyard of Winstead Bar^t .
The Manor of Spaldington continued in the Vavasours till 1680 when Mary
only Daughter and Sole Heiress of Thomas Vavasour Esq^r Married S^r
Ralph Asheton of Middleton Bar^t . Their eldest Daughter and Coheiress
had the whole Spaldington Estate and Married my Grandfather Humphrey
Trafford of Trafford Esq^r , to whom my Mother became Sole Heiress, her
Brothers and Sisters Dying without Children.
I wish to obtain all Information I can about the De la Hay Family for
the purpose of making out a regular Pedigree. In the Herald's Office I
can only find S^r Thomas de la Hay, whose Daughter and Coheiress Married
John Vavasour. I have hopes you may be able to give me some lights upon
this Subject, and as I am well Acquainted with the Pleasure you take in
obliging your Friends, I shall make no Apology for giving you this trouble.
Mr Nooth and Henry desire me to present their best Comp^ts , I beg leave
to join mine to M^rs Mellish and your Son. We shall be happy to hear
that both you and M^rs Mellish are perfectly well. We are much pleased
with our new House in Berkeley Street, and may probably remain in Town a
great part of the Summer. I have the Honor to be D^r S^r (with great
Esteem and Regard)
Your Ob^d H^bl Serv^t
Ann Nooth
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of Ann Nooth and Charles Mellish in the early 1790s concerning primarily
the pedigrees of of the de la Hay and Vavasour families, but including
much detail about the Fossards, and Hildyards. Places mentioned in the
first letter include: Spaldington, Aughton, Ellerton, Fenwick,
Skelbrook, Howden,
Ann Nooth was the owner of the manor of Spaldington, and was directly
descended from the Vavasours and the de la Hays.
After a quick scan of the letters it appears that Ann Nooth was able to
quote from several evidences in her possession. Detailed pedigrees were
eventually drawn.
If anyone is interested in cooperating in this transcription, or proof
reading my transcriptions, then let me know.
Below is my first pass at the transcription of the first letter:
Cheers
Wibs
https://www.dropbox.com/s/81w2x4a7b280f80/Me%20LM%2015-2_scan%201.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9enxcc8jldqfq2/Me%20LM%2015-2_scan%202.jpg?dl=0
*Me LM 15/2*
Letter from Ann Nooth to Charles Mellish, 1^st May 1790
No. 15 Berkeley S^t .
Manchester Sq^re .
London
May ye 1^st , 1790
D^r S^r :
I take the Liberty of writing to you on a Subject which Interests my
Curiosity, and upon which I am told that you (from your great knowledge
of the Ancient History of this Kingdom, and being very Conversant in
Doomsday Book) are likely to give me better Information than almost any
other Person.
I inherit[ed] the Estate and manor of Spaldington in the Parish of
Bubwith near Howden in the East-riding of Yorkshire; it has Descended
down to me by regular Succession from my Ancestors the De la Hays, who
were settled there in the year 1100.
I am entirely Ignorant when or how the Family were first possessed of
the Lordship of Spaldington and shall be very much obliged to you S^r if
you can inform me. We have an original Grant under the Privy Seal to
Peter de la Hay of free Warren over the Manor of Spaldington and the
Forest which Grant is dated August ye 12^th the first year of the Reign
of Henry ye 1^st .
The male line of the De la Hays ended in Sr Thomas de la Hay Knt Lord of
Spaldington who left four Daughters Coheiresses of who Isabel ye eldest
married John Vavasour Brother to S^r Henry Vavasour of Hazlewood Knt.
She had the Manor of Spaldington with that of Holme in the Wold, besides
Land in other Places. Joan Katherine see Desd ye 2^nd Daughter Married
Chris^r Hildyard, and had the Manors of Fenwick and Skelbrook in the
West-riding. Elizabeth 3^rd Daughter Married Thomas Knight and had the
Manor of Bubwith and Lands in Aughton and other places. Alice ye 4^th
Daughter Married Thomas Thwaites of Smeeton, and had all the Lands,
Tenements, and Reversions late the Property of S^r Peter de la Hay; viz:
in Howden, Howdenshire, Little Smeeton, and Allertonshire. The Partition
Deed bears date about the year 1430 and it is amongst the Ancient
Evidences of S^r Rob^t Hildyard of Winstead Bar^t .
The Manor of Spaldington continued in the Vavasours till 1680 when Mary
only Daughter and Sole Heiress of Thomas Vavasour Esq^r Married S^r
Ralph Asheton of Middleton Bar^t . Their eldest Daughter and Coheiress
had the whole Spaldington Estate and Married my Grandfather Humphrey
Trafford of Trafford Esq^r , to whom my Mother became Sole Heiress, her
Brothers and Sisters Dying without Children.
I wish to obtain all Information I can about the De la Hay Family for
the purpose of making out a regular Pedigree. In the Herald's Office I
can only find S^r Thomas de la Hay, whose Daughter and Coheiress Married
John Vavasour. I have hopes you may be able to give me some lights upon
this Subject, and as I am well Acquainted with the Pleasure you take in
obliging your Friends, I shall make no Apology for giving you this trouble.
Mr Nooth and Henry desire me to present their best Comp^ts , I beg leave
to join mine to M^rs Mellish and your Son. We shall be happy to hear
that both you and M^rs Mellish are perfectly well. We are much pleased
with our new House in Berkeley Street, and may probably remain in Town a
great part of the Summer. I have the Honor to be D^r S^r (with great
Esteem and Regard)
Your Ob^d H^bl Serv^t
Ann Nooth
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John Watson
Oct 20, 2014, 11:24:12 AM10/20/14
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The genealogical material in Ann North's letter is I suppose reasonably accurate, but contains a few errors. The earliest connection I have of the de la Hayes with Spaldington is a Ralph de la Haye, who, before 1188 gave 9 bovates in Spaldington to Swine priory. Peter de la Haye had a grant of free warren in Spaldington on 12 December 1399, which is the first year of the reign of Henry IV, rather than first year of the reign of Henry I.
Thomas de la Haye (not a knight), son of Peter de la Haye, died in July 1426 leaving four daughters, three by his first wife and one by his second.
Isabel de la Haye, the eldest, married John Vavasour (d. ca. 1482), youngest son of Sir Henry Vavasour of Hazlewood by his wife Margaret Skipwith.
Their eldest son, Sir John Vavasour of Spaldington died on 26 November 1506, without heirs of his body. His heir was his nephew Peter, son of his brother William.
Sir Peter Vavasour of Spaldington married Elizabeth Windsor and died on 5 March 1557. He was succeeded by his eldest son John, who died shortly after his father in 1560. John was married three times, firstly to Katherine Eleson, secondly to Cassandra London (died s.p.), and thirdly to Julian Aske. By his first wife he had two sons, John (died s.p.) and Peter and a daughter Elizabeth. By his third wife, he had six sons, George, Ralph, Marmaduke, Robert, Thomas, and Richard. John's heir was his only surviving son by his first wife, Peter, who was childless. By a deed dated 20 February 1573, Peter Vavasour of the Middle Temple, London, esquire, settled Spaldington and other properties on his sister Elizabeth and her husband Thomas Dolman and her children.
I hadn't followed the descent of Spaldington any further than this and I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that it had been held by the Dolmans until it was confiscated by the Commonwealth in 1652. Presumably one of the Vavasours was able to purchase Spaldington from the Dolmans, or had a grant of it after the Restoration.
Regards,
John
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Hi John,
I also spotted some of the errors that you found, but Mellish soon put
her right in subsequent letters.
I had no inkling of the Deed of Partition that Mrs Nooth referred to in
the 'Ancient Hildyard evidences', and I see from my quick scan that many
other deeds and references are referred to that were previously unknown
to me.
The deed you refer to in 1573 was also unknown to me, but I suspect it
was a device to escape the recusant penalties, as Peter Vavasour was a
staunch Catholic and was often cited (do you have a reference for this
deed?).
The Vavasour of Spaldington pedigree (with an important error) was
printed in Misc. Gen. et Heraldica, Vol 1, and the correction in Vol2.
http://www.bubwith.net/people/family-trees/vavasour-of-spaldington.html
I continued the line of the Vavasours of Willitoft from the early 17th
century onwards.
http://www.bubwith.net/people/family-trees/vavasour-of-willitoft.html
Wibs
Steve Riggan via
Oct 20, 2014, 12:07:58 PM10/20/14
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Dear Colin,
This is of interest to me as well. I have not researched the de la Hayes much but I descend from Katherine de la Haye who was the wife of Sir Robert Hildyard of Wineshead through their son Sir Robert Hildyard and his wife Elizabeth Hastings. Their daughter Katherine Hildyard married William Girlington of Normanby and Frodingham and their daughter Isabel Girlington married firstly Christopher Kelke. They were the great grandparents of my immigrant ancestor William Farrar of Virginia. The information on the Hildyards and extended family is also of interest.
Best regards,
Steve Riggan
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This is of interest to me as well. I have not researched the de la Hayes much but I descend from Katherine de la Haye who was the wife of Sir Robert Hildyard of Wineshead through their son Sir Robert Hildyard and his wife Elizabeth Hastings. Their daughter Katherine Hildyard married William Girlington of Normanby and Frodingham and their daughter Isabel Girlington married firstly Christopher Kelke. They were the great grandparents of my immigrant ancestor William Farrar of Virginia. The information on the Hildyards and extended family is also of interest.
Best regards,
Steve Riggan
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Craig Kilby via
Oct 20, 2014, 12:26:45 PM10/20/14
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Can anyone identify this Col. Giles Brent? Is he the immigrant or his son?
Parish Records of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia
Col. Giles Brent "of Potomac" buried at the Great Church yard on 2 Sep 1679 (p. 22)
also in this register is
John Brent, son of John and Jane Brent, baptized 22 Aug 1680 (p. 16)
Craig Kilby
Parish Records of Christ Church Parish, Middlesex County, Virginia
Col. Giles Brent "of Potomac" buried at the Great Church yard on 2 Sep 1679 (p. 22)
also in this register is
John Brent, son of John and Jane Brent, baptized 22 Aug 1680 (p. 16)
Craig Kilby
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Craig Kilby via
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Steve Riggan kindly replied. I wonder about this, but this is what it says:
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Brent_Giles_ca_1652-1679#start_entry
Craig
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Brent_Giles_ca_1652-1679#start_entry
Craig
John Watson
Oct 20, 2014, 6:40:22 PM10/20/14
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There are a lot of errors in that pedigree and I wouldn't trust it too much.
The 1573 deed I referred to perhaps does not settle Spaldington on Elizabeth Vavasour and her husband Thomas Dolman, since now that I look more closely, I see that Spaldington is not specifically mentioned, although Spaldington is probably among the lands occupied by the various Vavasours:
Indenture dated 20 Feb. 15 Eliz. between Peter Vavasor of the Middle Temple, London, esquire, of the one part, and Andrew Windesowre, of the same house, esq., Peter Vavasor the younger, of Spaldington, in the county of York, gent., and Christopher Sandwich, of London, yeoman, on the other part ; Reciting, that Peter Vavasor, esq., (the settlor) is seised of inter alia lands at Kirkbie, co. York, late the inheritance of his then wife Frances, and seised in fee of the Manor of Badsworth, same county, and lands there in the occupation of Peter Vavasor the younger, Thomas Vavasor, doctor of physic, William Vavasor, of Linton, Yorkshire, gent., Andrew Vavasor, of the Middle Temple, esq., Joan Vavasor, widow of Henry Vavasor, late of Badsworth, gent, deceased ; and of lands in Marshland, co. York, sometime the inheritance of John Vavasor, late of Spaldington, brother to the settlor, and that the settlor has no heir of his body: he settles the premises (by covenant to stand seised) upon his sister Elizabeth wife of Thomas Dolman and her children, with remainder to Rauf, Marmaduke, Robart, Thomas, and Richard, brothers of the settlor ; with remainder to Peter Vavasor, of the city of York, gent., son of Thomas Vavasor, doctor of physic ; remainder (ultimately) to the heirs male of the body of Sir Peter Vavasor, knt., of Spaldington, deceased, grandfather to the settlor. The following persons are mentioned in the deed as taking various interests, viz. : Dorothy wife of Doctor Thomas Vavasour, James his eldest son, George Vavasour brother to Peter Vavasour, esq. the settlor, John Vavasour, esq. father of Richard Vavasour, Edward and George brothers of the settlor. The deed contains a power of revocation. Signed, "Peter Vavasour."
Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of London, Second Series, Vol. 4 (London, 1870), 80.
However, Elizabeth Dolman does appear to have had a grant of the manor of Spaldington by the Court of Wards and Liveries after the death of her brother Peter in 1579:
31 May 1579, Deed of covenants relating to the Gunby estate. Parties: 1) Sir William Cecill, Lord Burghley, Master, and Robert Keylwey, Surveyor of the Court of Wards and Liveries 2) Thomas Dolman, esquire, and wife Elizabeth (sister and heir of Peter Vavasour, esquire, deceased) Property: manors of Gunby, Wetheley [Weedley] in the parish of South Cave, Baddesworthe and Spaldington, with messuages and lands in Birkbbye, Marshland, Bubwith, Brighton, Riplingham and Willytofte, Sandhall Grange. Messuages called Bedrington in Howden. Fishing in the River Derwent. Concerning a grant of special livery to her [Elizabeth Dolman] estates of Peter Vavasour, a valour and extant of which is attached.
East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service, DDGU/1/5.
As I said, I had not researched the descent any further than this, and perhaps there was a later settlement of Spaldington by Elizabeth on one of her younger half brothers.
Regards,
John
John Watson
Oct 20, 2014, 7:11:07 PM10/20/14
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On Monday, 20 October 2014 22:55:01 UTC+7, Craig Kilby via wrote:
This may be the deed of partition referred to:
31 August 1481, Deed whereby Robert Hilyerd knight, son and heir of Katerine one of the daughters and heirs of Thomas de la Haye, esquire, Elezabeth Knyght widow, the third of the daughters and heirs of Thomas and Alice Thwaytes widow, fourth daughter and heir of Thomas, release and quit-claim to John Vavasour junior, serjeant-at-law, and his heirs, all their right in the manor of Spaldyngton and Willytofte, and 20 acres of land in Holme. Habendum to releasees in fee, with warranty. Last day of August, 21 Ed. IV.
Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of London, Second Series, Vol. 4 (London, 1870), 79.
Regards,
John
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> The name Thomas is documented - with additional dates and sources, and proof of the order of his 2 wives - in Joseph Jackson Howard's Visitation of England and Wales, Vol 4 , URL = http://books.google.com/books?id=kOoKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131. There is no mention of any son named Frederick, and a 7 Sep 1611 will (proved 23 Dec 1611) as well as an ipm for Thomas Pilkington of Stanley is cited. Thomas' 1st wife was Frances Rodes and 2nd wife (m. 10 Jun 1600 at Huddersfield) was Grace Beaumont. The marriage of Sir Arthur's dau Katherine Pilkington (bap 29 Apr 1629 in Wakefield - a date not found in Richardson's various books) to John Lowe Esq. of Denby d. 1659 is noted on page 133. This couple is identified by Richardson and others as the parents of immigrants Col Nicholas Lowe and Col. Henry Lowe.
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One small clarification:
The short title given by Google Books for the source immediately above is somewhat misleading. The Pilkington pedigree noted here is in vol. 4 of the "Notes" volumes (edited by Frederick Arthur Crisp) of the "The Visitation of England and Wales" - and not in the "Visitation" volumes themselves (edited by Joseph Jackson Howard and Frederick Arthur Crisp). For purposes of medieval genealogy, the Notes volumes are generally more useful than the Visitation volumes, as the latter volumes usually start their coverage of families only in the 18th century whereas the Notes volumes usually start at least a century or two earlier.
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