Crinan The Thane, Earl of Atholl
~ me ~
01. Niall (Nel) "Mor" &/or "Noigiallach", reck'd 1st King of Ireland
[the Medieval kingdom] 396-423
02. Conall "Gulban" (d465)
03. Fergus "Cendfota"
04. Fedlim
05. Eoghan, bro of St. Columba (d597)
06. Donchad, descendants called the "Clanna Donachadha" (600)
07. Cuillum (Colla)
08. Eathach "Feighlioch"
09. Cartain, Lord of the Isles [Hebrides]
10. Eirc, Lord of the Isles
11. Crimthanne, Lord of the Isles [not to be confused with the
Crimthanne of the "Colla-Uais Pedigree]
12. Eirc, Lord of the Isles
13. Fergus, Lord of the Isles
14. Gofraidh (Goffra), Lord of the Isles (827)
15. Maine, Lord of the Isles
16. Niallghus, Lord of the Isles
17. Suibne, Lord of the Isles, his bro was Seadhne, Priest of Dul
18. Maolbruidhe, Lord of the Isles
19. Solaimh, Lord of the Isles [not to be confused with Solaimh, son
of Imergi [Jehmarc], of the "Somerled Pedigree"]
20. Gilladomnan, Lord of the Isles
21. Duncan, Priest of Dull
22. Duncan MacDonachad (d965), Thane of Dull
23. Duncan, Abbot of Dunkeld (1000)
24. Crinan "The Thane", Earl of Athole (d1045)
= Bethoc, the Scottish heiress
25. etc
note: the above pedigree is a "theory of descent"; the idea to
construct it came from Settipani's example in his new book, pp 32-36
"Nouvelle Theorie"
david hughes
Rdavi...@AOL.com
Todd A. Farmerie
> ancestry of Crinan "The Thane", Earl of Athole
I have trimmed out the generations which are undocumented (which cannot
be connected with what follows, this leaves:
> 24. Crinan "The Thane", Earl of Athole (d1045)
> = Bethoc, the Scottish heiress
> 25. etc
>
> note: the above pedigree is a "theory of descent"
What is the basis for this theory (not the method - the theory itself)?
taf
Kevin Randolph Hearst
I have never seen a descent posted like this before. I have read
before two supposed facts concerning the ancestry of Crinan. First,
that he was descended from hereditary priests of Dull and Dunkeld, and
second that these hereditary priests or abbots were akin St. Columba.
I think this theory of descent deserves some further investigation.
It's almost assuredly not entirely correct, but a careful examination
of the names and perhaps dates of these priest abbots could shed some
light as to the origin of Crinan.
The two facts I mentioned, can anyone verify them? From whence do they
come? I think the first step is to verify those two facts and then go
from there, maybe Settipani and/or Hughes has done this, but more
information is needed for those reading this.
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Todd A. Farmerie
> "Todd A. Farmerie" <farm...@interfold.com> wrote in message news:<40A945A4...@interfold.com>...
>
>>~ me ~ wrote:
>>
>>>ancestry of Crinan "The Thane", Earl of Athole
>>
>>I have trimmed out the generations which are undocumented (which cannot
>>be connected with what follows, this leaves:
>>
>>
>>>24. Crinan "The Thane", Earl of Athole (d1045)
>>>= Bethoc, the Scottish heiress
>>>25. etc
>>>
>>>note: the above pedigree is a "theory of descent"
>>
>>What is the basis for this theory (not the method - the theory itself)?
>>
>>taf
>
>
> I have never seen a descent posted like this before. I have read
> before two supposed facts concerning the ancestry of Crinan. First,
> that he was descended from hereditary priests of Dull and Dunkeld, and
> second that these hereditary priests or abbots were akin St. Columba.
> I think this theory of descent deserves some further investigation.
> It's almost assuredly not entirely correct, but a careful examination
> of the names and perhaps dates of these priest abbots could shed some
> light as to the origin of Crinan.
Unfortunately, IIRC, only one such individual appears in historical
records, several generations before Crinan. All of the other names are,
as far as I can tell, complete inventions. (As always, I would be more
than happy if Mr. Hughes would produce contemporary references that
prove this statement to be in error - that others appear in such records.)
> The two facts I mentioned, can anyone verify them?
I have seen both, and in such a context as to think them reliable,
although I have never followed them back the chain of citations to
determine their basis.
> From whence do they
> come? I think the first step is to verify those two facts and then go
> from there, maybe Settipani and/or Hughes has done this, but more
> information is needed for those reading this.
Mr. Settipani has not studied this family. Mr. Hughes was simply citing
him for the concept of compiling a 'theory of descent', not for this
specific ancestry. Perhaps, as I requested, Mr. Hughes will provide us
with the reasoning and evidence on which he based his 'theory of descent'.
taf
Kevin Randolph Hearst
> Mr. Settipani has not studied this family. Mr. Hughes was simply citing
> him for the concept of compiling a 'theory of descent', not for this
> specific ancestry. Perhaps, as I requested, Mr. Hughes will provide us
> with the reasoning and evidence on which he based his 'theory of descent'.
>
> taf
Some sources would certainly be nice. I was a little scared when he
talked about how he was inspired in another post. Does is it involve
praying for names? Genealogy Joseph Smith style, reading the lineage
out of a hat through divine intervention. The rest of us want to see
your golden plates.
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