SP Addition: Sir Robert de Danielston, grandson of Robert II of Scots
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Hello All,
In an earlier thread, I had first theorized a common descent
for Mary/Mariota Stewart (daughter of Robert III, King of Scots)
and Margaret Danielston, 1st wife of Sir William Cunyngham of
Kilmaurs, from Sir William Montfichet of Cargill, by way of
explaining a relationship of 2nd and 3rd degree of consanguinity
between Mary and Margaret [1]. Following on this, a subsequent
thread explained this same relationship as deriving from a
common descent of Mary and Margaret from Robert II, King of
Scots (d. 1390), of which Mary’s descent was obvious and
Margaret’s was previously unknown [2].
In reexamining the chronology of the various individuals
(Montfichet, Stewart & c.) from the two threads, it appears most
likely that the latter generations of the Montfichet pedigree
as conjectured was flawed. As stated in the account in Scots
Peerage, it was Hugh de Danielston (not his grandson, the future
Sir Robert) who received the grant of the lands of Margaret de
Montfichet by charter from King David II [3]. Approximate
birthdates for the individuals in this line of descent show this
reconstruction to be reasonable (if still a conjecture):
1. Sir William de Montfichet, b. say 1275/1285 [4].
2. Margaret de Montfichet, b. say 1295/1310, m. Hugh de
Danielston.
3. Sir John de Danielston, b. say 1315/1330, d. after 1378,
m. NN, unknown (and evidently illegitimate) daughter of
Robert II, King of Scots (who was b. 2 March 1315/6, and
allegedly had issue by Elizabeth Mure, his first wife, as
early as 1335). She is conjectured to have been born say
1330-1334, based upon her father’s known biography.
Issue:
4. Sir Robert de Danielston, b. say 1347-1350, d. 1397 [5].
Issue:
5. A. Margaret, eldest daughter, b. say 1370-1375, m. Sir
William Cunyngham of Kilmaurs (b. bef 22 May 1364,
d. bef 1 March 1418/9).
Issue:
6. A. Sir Robert Cunyngham, b. before 7 Aug 1392, d. before
11 July 1439 [ancestor of Earls of Glencairn]
5. B. Elizabeth, younger daughter, b. say 1370-1380, m. Sir
Robert Maxwell of Calderwood before 18 Oct 1405
(corrected dispensation, dated at Tortosa, 27 Apr 1413).
The chronology set forth above shows 5 generations from
Sir William de Montfichet to Sir Robert Cunyngham (1. to 6. A.),
and would yield an average generational span (estimated) of 21.4
to 23.4 years per generation (107 to 117 years, 1275 to 1392 or
1285 to 1392). From King Robert II of Scots )father of the wife
of 3. above) to Sir Robert Cunningham (6.A. above), the 4
generations conjectured would average 19 years per generation
(76 years, from 1315/6 to 1391/2). As noted by Andrew MacEwen,
the chronology here is tight, making it appear "just barely
possible" that this descent is valid. As I have noted previously,
given the early marital (and extramarital) activity of Robert
Stewart (later King Robert II of Scots) that is already known, and
the tendency in that age to arrange and consummate marriages at
(to modern eyes) a rather early age, the chronology issue is
valid, but not approaching a level of serious discomfort or
disproof [6].
Interestingly, the text of the dispensation provides further
support to the proximity of the relationship between Robert, Duke
of Albany, and Sir Robert de Danielston. Sir Robert Maxwell, for
whom the dispensation was sought, was the son of Isabel Lindsay,
a first cousin of the Duke of Albany: he was therefore a first
cousin 1x removed, yet the dispensation makes no allusion to the
close relationship (which is well known). The evident use of
the term 'nepos' (as opposed to 'consanguineus' or 'cognatus') as
translated by McGurk clearly meant a relationship closer than
'cousin' or 'kinsman', for if Sir Robert de Danielston was a first
cousin (1x removed or otherwise) of Duke Robert of Albany, surely
Sir Robert Maxwell's relationship would have merited mention.
This makes it somewhat more evident that Sir Robert de Danielston
was called 'nepos', meaning 'nephew', in the original text.
The following chart reflects my reconstruction of these
relationships, showing the relevant descents from (1) Sir William
Montfichet of Cargill and (2) Walter Stewart, Steward of Scotland
and father of King Robert II of Scots (the relationship between
Robert II and his conjectured illegitimate daughter is shown thus:
........).
Sir William 1) Marjorie = Walter = 2) Isabel
Montfichet Bruce I Stewart I Graham
I __________I I______
I I I
_____I__________________ I ________________ I
I I I I
Mary = (1) I Margaret Egidia
Sir John Elizabeth = Robert ~ NN = Hugh de = Sir
Drummond Mure I II of : Danielston James
I I Scots : I Lindsay
I ______I :.. I I
I I : I I
Annabela = Robert III NN = Sir John Isabel
Drummond I of Scots (A) I Danielston = Sir John
I I Maxwell of
I I Calderwood
I (A)Sir Robert I
I Danielston I
_______I _______I_______ I
I I I I
Mary/ x Sir William = Margaret Elizabeth = Sir
Mariota Cunyngham I Danielston Danielston I Robert
(B) I (B) (C) I Maxwell
V V (C)
The relationships known from those sources previously discussed:
(A) Sir Robert de Danielston is shown as the nephew of
Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany (not shown) and of King
Robert III of Scots [7].
(B) Mary/Mariota Stewart is shown as related to Margaret
Danielston (1st wife of Sir William Cunyngham) in the
2nd and 3rd degrees of consanguinity, by mutual descent
from King Robert II of Scots [8].
(C) Sir Robert Maxwell is shown as related to Elizabeth
Danielston in the 3rd and 4th degrees of consanguinity
(stated in the dispensation of 1413, evidently in
error, as being related ‘in the 4th degree’),
evidently by mutual descent from Walter Stewart, father
of King Robert II [9].
Additional relevant documentation, comment and criticism is
welcome as always.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] See <SP Addition: the Ancestry of Margaret Danielston
(conjectured)>, SGM, 5 Nov 2005 et seq.; also <SP Addition:
the Ancestry of Margaret Danielston>, SGM, 20 Nov 2005 et
seq.
[2] See <SP Addition: Sir Robert de Danielston, grandson of
Robert II of Scots>, SGM, 1 Dec 2005.
[3] SP (sub Drummond, Earl of Perth) discusses the career of Sir
John de Drummond (d. 1360), stating in part,
" He is, however, named in a charter by King David II., granting
to him all the lands which belonged to Mary de Montefixo, eldest
daughter and heir of William de Montefixo, or Montefichet,
knight, lying in the sheriffdoms of Perth and Stirling, which
she resigned at Dumbarton. The writ is dated at Dumbarton
21 February 1366-67 <4>. But it is doubtful if this date is
correct. Lord Strathallan states that the lands resigned by
Mary de Montefichet were Auchterarder, Cargill, and Kincardine.
She was the eldest of three daughters, co-heiresses or Sir
William Montefichet, and Lord Strathallan affirms that King
David, in dividing their father's estate among his daughters,
gave her the greatest share, while on account of their
adherence to the English interest, her sisters, Devorgilla or
Dornagilla, and Margaret, were forfeited, and their possessions
were given to Duncan and William Napier and to Hew Danielston,
which gifts, according to Lord Strathallan, were dated at
Dumbarton in 1366 <5>. This appears to corroborate the
charter cited, but an examination on Devorgilla's forfeiture
was made on 3 May 1358 <6>, while the charter to Danielston
appears with others dated about 1345, and that to Duncan
Napier is side by side with a writ of 1341 <7>. ' [SP VII:35-36]
[4] Re: Sir William de Montfichet, the following details have been
noted to date:
A. He was probably a younger son of William de Montfichet, and
a minor in August 1296 (David and Richard de Montfichet only
appear swearing fealty to Edward I at Berwick, 28 August
1296) [Ragman Roll ]. It has been noted by others of the
list that the fealty rolls (both 1291 and 1296) did not
in fact include all knights and nobles, so this is not
proof positive that this William was in fact a minor at that
date.
B. Charters witnessed by this William de Montfichet:
' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de Mortimer
and others) to a charter of Michael de Miggil granting free passage
through his lands to Coupar priory, dated 1306x1317 - but most
likely between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:190-191, No. LXXXVIII]
' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de Mortimer
and others) to a charter of John de Inchmartin granting free
passage through his lands to Coupar priory, dated 1307x1317 - but
most likely between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:192-3, No. LXXXIX]
' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de
Mortimer and others) to a 2nd charter of John de Inchmartin
granting free passage through his lands to Coupar priory, dated
1307x1317 - but most likely between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:193,
No. XC]
C. He came into King Robert's peace before 1319: he was
Justiciar north of the Forth, 1319-1333 [Coupar p. 191,
cites REM, p. 471]
D. ' Willelmus de Montefixo ' was a Surety of the Arbroath
Declaration, 6 April 1320 (Barrow pp. 424-8)
E. He was a witness to charters of King Robert I, 30 Jan 1323/4
to 4 Mar 1327/8 [Coupar p. 191, cites RMS i. App. 1, 77 and
RMS ii. 3737]
F. 'Willelmo de Monte Fixo', knight, was a witness (together
with John de Menteith, Malise of Strathearn and others) to
a charter from Murdoch, earl of Menteith for the gift to
Walter de Menteith of the lands of Thom and Lanarkynys in
Menteith, and fishing rights in the river Teith, ca. 1330
[Red Book of Menteith II:225-7]
cf. SP VII:35-36, sub Drummond, Earl of Perth.
[5] Re: Sir Robert de Danielston, some of the few details noted to
date:
A. He was lord of Inchcailloch (Lennox), Glencairn (Galloway,
now co. Dumfries), Redhall, Kilmarnock & c. He was also
Sheriff of Dumbarton and keeper of Dumbarton Castle
[Boardman, The Early Stewarts, p. 212]
B. He was identified in his daughter Elizabeth's dispensation,
27 Apr 1413 as '..the late Sir Robert de Danyelston, nephew
of the duke [of Albany]' [CPL 1394-1419, pp. 270-1]
C. 'On July 13, 1354, the son and heir of Sir John Denniston
was named as one of the hostages for King David II, and on
October 3, 1357, "Robert filz et heire a sire Robert de
Danyelstone" was delivered into the custody of Sir Richard
Tempest as hostage.' [Metcalfe, A History of the County of
Renfrew, p. 120, noting 'Either there is a mistake here,..,
for in 1359 the Sir John just mentioned was still alive.'
Metcalfe cites Bain iii. 288, Foedera iii.281; Bain,
iii.434]
D. He had a pension from King Robert II, 6 Feb 1379/80
E. He was acknowledged as a kinsman by King Robert III
(evidently his uncle) in 1391:
'Sir Thomas of Erskine, Sir Patrick of Graham, and Sir Robert
of Danielston, the King's cousins and knights,..' witnesses
together with others of 'A Charter under the Great Seal
granted by Robert III, King of Scotland to his cousin David
Fleming of £50 sterling of annual rent due to him by
religious men,...dated at Scone, 14th March 1391.'
[Charter Chest of the Earls of Wigtown, p. 101, no.
847 - 'cf. Reg. Mag. Sig. folio vol. p. 200']
F. He received from King Robert III the lands of Stanely, co.
Renfrew and 'following on his own resignation, a new charter
of Denniston and Finlaystone.' [Metcalfe p. 121, cites
Robertson, Index, 152, 158 ]
He d. in 1397 according to Boardman [p. 212] (stated as 1404
elsewhere).
[6] Cf. <SP Addition: Sir Robert de Danielston, grandson of
Robert II of Scots>, SGM, 1 Dec 2005.
[7] The following from Francis McGurk, ed. Calendar of
Papal Letters to Scotland of Benedict XIII of Avignon,
1394-1419 (Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1976),
pp. 270-1, dated at Tortosa on 27 April 1413:
' Reg Aven 341, 521-2
To William, bishop of Glasgow. Robert, duke of
Albany,
had wanted Elizabeth Danyelston, daughter of the late Sir
Robert de Danyelston, nephew of the duke, to marry Sir
Robert de
Maxwell, Glasgow diocese, but as they were related
in the fourth
degree of consanguinity a dispensation was
necessary. Peter,
formerly bishop of Tusculum, cardinal
priest of St. Peter in Chains
and, at that time, before the
withdrawal of France's obedience,
penitentiary of Pope
Benedict, sent letters in mandate to Dugall,
bishop of
Dunblane or to his vicar in spiritualities, and on the
strength of these letters Dugall dispensed Elizabeth and
Robert de
Maxwell to marry. Elizabeth and Robert did so
and lived together
for more than seven years, during which
time they had six or seven
children; but subsequently
Elizabeth separated from Robert on the
grounds that at the
time the letters were sent to Dugall, bishop of
Dublane,
Peter had withdrawn his obedience from Benedict and
therefore both the letters and the marriage were invalid.
The pope,
at the petition of the aforesaid duke, declares
the marriage to be
valid, the children legitimate and
dispenses Elizabeth and Robert
to live together as husband
and wife.
Tortosa, 5 Kal. Maii, anno
19; expedited, 3 Id. Jul.,
anno 19 [13 July, 1413].
SRO, Vat.
Trans., iv, no. 105.
[8] Text of the dispensation, from McGurk, ibid., p. 207, dated
at Perpignan, 7 July 1409:
` Reg Aven 333, 519v
To Sir William Cunyngham, lord of Kylmaubris, and the
noblewoman Marjory Stewart, widow of James Kennedy, doncel,
Glasgow diocese. Dispensation is granted for William to
marry Marjory notwithstanding that Margaret, William's first
wife, was related to Marjory in the second and third degrees
of consanguinity. ‘
Perpignan, Elne diocese, Non. Jul., anno 15; expedited
6 Id. Jul., anno 15 [10 July, 1409].
SRO, Vat. Trans., iv, no. 86.`
[9] See text from McGurk, note [7] above.
* John P. Ravilious
WJho...@aol.com
<< Sir Robert Maxwell, for
whom the dispensation was sought, was the son of Isabel Lindsay,
a first cousin of the Duke of Albany: he was therefore a first
cousin 1x removed, >>
Should this be first half-cousin 1x removed? Or maybe half first cousin...
At any rate, was Isabel the daughter of James de Lindsay, Lord of Crawford d
bef 11 Nov 1358 and his wife Egidia "Gill" Stewart who I have as a child of
Walter the Stewart d 9 Apr 1327 by his *first* wife Isabel Graham.
Whereas Robert the Duke of Albany would be by the second wife Marjorie (Mary)
dau of Robert King of Scotland.
Or if not this relationship, can you specify who Isabel's parents were so I
can add her ?
Thanks
Will Johnson
John P. Ravilious
The half relationship is not usually expressed, beyond siblings
(or half-siblings). Sir Robert Maxwell was 'first cousin once removed"
to Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany (d. 1420).
You have the Lindsay-Stewart link correct, with the exception that
Isabel Graham was the 2nd (not first) wife of Walter Stewart. His
first wife was Marjory Bruce, who died in childbirth in 1317 (not March
1315/6 as is usually found in print).
Following is a pedigree from Walter Stewart to his Maxwell
great-grandchildren, including Sir Robert Maxwell of Calderwood.
Hope this is useful. Meanwhile, all the best for a Happy New
Year.
Cheers,
John
1 Walter Stewart
----------------------------------------
Death: 9 Apr 1326[1],[2]
Birth: ca 1293[3],[2]
Occ: Lord High Steward of Scotland
Father: James le Steward (ca1243-1309)
Mother: Giles (Egidia) de Burgh
Lord High Steward 1309-1327[2]
commander (nominal-active commander, Sir James Douglas) of the right
schiltrom at Bannockburn, 24 June 1314 (Barrow p. 322)[4]
Regent of Scotland during King Robert's expedition to Ireland, 1316[2]
'Walter, Steward of Scotland', Surety of the Arbroath Declaration,
6 April 1320 (Barrow pp. 424-8)[4]
he m. 1stly Marjory Bruce,
2ndly Isabel Graham
Spouse: Isabel de Graham
Father: Sir Nicholas de Graham of Abercorn(-<1306)
Mother: Mary of Strathearn (<1248-1322)
Children: Sir John Stewart of Railston(->1369)
Sir Andrew
Egidia (->1391)
1.1a Egidia Stewart*
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 21 May 1391[5]
'a papal dispensation for this marriage was granted at Avignon
3 Ides of April 1346, which describes the spouses as within the
third and fourth degree on the father's side, and in the fourth
degree on the mother's.' [SP III:11, citing Papal Letters, iii.225[2]]
'Egidia Lindsay', held the lands of Bonnington in dower (as widow
of Sir Hugh de Eglinton), 10 Dec 1377 [Fraser, Memorials I:15, 17[6]]
indult dated at Avignon, 21 May, 1391:
' Reg Aven 265, 62v
To Sir James de Douglas, knight, and Egidia his wife,
St. Andrews diocese. Indult for a plenary remission of their sins
to be granted at the hour of death by a confessor of their own choice.
Avignon, 12 Kal. Jun., anno 13. ' [CPL 1378-1394, p. 162[5]]
she m. lstly Sir James Lindsay,
2ndly Sir Hugh Eglinton,
3rdly (as 2nd wife) Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith[2]
Spouse: Sir James de Lindsay of Crawford
Death: bef 11 Nov 1358[2]
Father: Sir David de Lindsay (-<1357)
Mother: Mary de Abernethy (-<1355)
Marr: Apr 1346[2]
Children: Isabel
Sir James Lindsay of Crawford(-<1395)
1.1a.1 Isabel Lindsay
----------------------------------------
re: her husband:
' Johanne de Maxwel', witness [together with Robert Stewart, lord
of Menteith; Robert Stewart's brother Sir John Stewart, Sir John
de Danielston, Sir John Lindsay of Craigie, John Wallace of
Riccarton, Robert Houstoun and others] to charter of Robert Stewart,
as Earl of Strathearn, to Alan de Lauder as Bailie of his lands of
Birkinside, Ligardwood & others in Berwickshire, dated at Perth,
16 Oct 1369 [Red Book of Menteith II:250-1, No. 33[7]]
Spouse: Sir John de Maxwell of Pollok
Father: Sir John de Maxwell
Marr: 1367
Children: Agnes (->1404)
Sir John
Sir Robert (-1424)
William
1.1a.1.1 Agnes Maxwell
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 2 Nov 1404[8]
'Agneti sponse ejus, consang. regis', charter of King Robert III
granting the lands of Cassilis and others to Gilbert Kennedy and
his wife Agnes, "kinswoman of the King" [confirmed by King James
II], 2 Nov. 1404 [RMS p. 87, No. 378[8]]
Spouse: Sir Gilbert Kennedy of Dunure
Death: aft 2 Nov 1404[8]
Father: John Kennedy (->1385)
Children: Sir James Kennedy of Dunure(-<1408)
John
Thomas
David
1.1a.1.2 Sir John Maxwell
----------------------------------------
Occ: laird of Pollock
laird of Pollock
' Sir John of Maxwell, lord of Pollok ', witness (together with by
Sir Robert de Danielston of that Ilk, Sir Patrick Graham of
Kincardine, Robert Boyd of Kilmarnock and Sir Malcolm Fleming's sons
David Fleming and Patrick Fleming) to a charter from Malcolm Fleming
of Biggar to 'his dear nephew William Boyd, lord of Galvane '
["carissimo nepoti nostro, Wilelmo de Boyde, Domino de Galvane"] of
the lands of 'Badynhache', confirmed by King Robert III at Rothesay,
7 Jul 1395 [Fraser, Memorials II:18-19, No. 24[6]
See also Eglinton MSS. p. 8, No. 11[9] - calls William of Boyde
"grandson" in error]
Children: Margaret
1.1a.1.3 Sir Robert Maxwell
----------------------------------------
Death: 1424, Battle of Verneuil[10],[11]
Occ: laird of Calderwood
laird of Calderwood
received 1/2 of inheritance of Danielston of that Ilk through his
wife, divided in 1404 and on Oct 18, 1405 with her sister (wife
of William Cunyngham). Ref: Scots Peerage, pedigree of Cunningham,
Earl of Glencairn (p. 230n) [2]
indenture between Sir Robert Maxwell and James Stewart of Kilbride
for the marriage of his daughter 'Marioun', referred to her as
the 'dochter of the said Sir Robertis and his first wyfis', to
George Stewart, son and heir of James, 7 Apr 1416 [Fraser p. 148[12]]
' Sir Robert Maxwell' [" Roberto de Maxwell,.....militibus..."],
witness [together with Murdoch Stewart, lord of Kinclavin and
firstborn of the Duke, John Stewart, Earl of Buchan, Sir William
Borthwick and others] to charter of Robert, Duke of Albany granting
lands of Airth to Sir William Crawford, dated at Falkland, 24 April
1417 [Armstrong pp. 9-10, no. XXI[13]]
cf. Thompson and Hansen 13(1):95 #1100[10]
Spouse: Elizabeth Danielston
Death: bef 7 Apr 1416[12]
Father: Sir Robert de Danielston (-1397)
Mother: NN
Marr: bef 18 Oct 1405
Children: Sir John (?1400-ca1476)
Margaret
Patrick
1.1a.1.4 William Maxwell
----------------------------------------
of Aikenhead
1.1b Egidia Stewart* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Sir Hugh de Eglinton
Death: bef 10 Dec 1377[6],[2]
Marr: aft Oct 1357[2]
Other Spouses Sir James de Lindsay, Sir James Douglas
1.1c Egidia Stewart* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Sir James Douglas
Death: 1420[2]
Father: Sir John de Douglas (-<1349)
Mother: Agnes de Graham
Marr: Oct 1378[2]
Other Spouses Sir James de Lindsay, Sir Hugh de Eglinton
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WJho...@aol.com
writes:
<< You have the Lindsay-Stewart link correct, with the exception that
Isabel Graham was the 2nd (not first) wife of Walter Stewart. His
first wife was Marjory Bruce, who died in childbirth in 1317 (not March
1315/6 as is usually found in print). >>
John would you mind sourceing that 1317 date ?
"Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe", Jiri Louda and Michael Maclagan ;
Clarkson N Potter, New York 1981
states that she died in 1316
Thanks
Will Johnson
WJho...@aol.com
writes:
<< 1.1c Egidia Stewart* (See above)
----------------------------------------
Spouse: Sir James Douglas
Death: 1420[2]
Father: Sir John de Douglas (-<1349)
Mother: Agnes de Graham
Marr: Oct 1378[2] >>
I note you're missing date information on Agnes de Graham.
I offer this repeat of your own post :) which shows she died AFT Oct 1344
Subj: SP Addition: Agnes Graham, wife of Sir John Douglas (d. ca. 1350)
Date: 11/9/05 12:44:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Therav3 (John P Ravilous)
The account in SP for the Douglas family of Dalkeith (later Earls of
Morton) provides little information with regard to spouses of family members
prior to the marriage of Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (d. 1420) to Agnes Dunbar.
This is also the case with Sir James’ father Sir John de Douglas, whose wife
Agnes is described only as (evidently) the widow of John Monfode [1].
Fortunately, the dispensation for the marriage of Sir John and his wife Agnes was
preserved, the text for which is as follows:
" 1344. 4 Id. Oct. Avignon. (f. 140d.)
To the bishop of St. Andrews. Faculty to grant dispensation to John de
Duglas, knight, and Agnes de Grame to intermarry, they having lived together and
had offspring, notwithstanding the assertion made that Agnes was aunt of a woman
with whom John had cohabited, Agnes being ignorant of the said impediment. A
penance is to be enjoined on John, and two chaplaincies of 10 marks each are
to be founded within two years. Their past and future offspring is to be
declared legitimate. [Cal. Pet. i.79; Theiner, 282.] " [2]
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for that. I'd not incorporated that date as a terminus for
the death of Agnes as it seemed likely she lived for some time after
that, given the progeny she left behind. I will revisit that in short
order.
Cheers,
John