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New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
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Douglas Richardson
Dec 6, 2012, 3:34:35 PM12/6/12
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Below is an all new royal line for the New World immigrants, Jane,
Agatha, Eleanor, Martha, and Alice Eltonhead, of Virginia. This line
with full documentation will be included in my forthcoming new book,
Royal Ancestry, which is scheduled for publication in the near
future. The Eltonhead family has been previously identified by the
late William Addams Reitwiesner as being ancestral to Barack Obama,
President of the United States. For particulars of the Obama descent,
see Obama's extended ancestry as developed by Mr. Reitwiesner at the
following weblink:
http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html
Special thanks go to John Ravilious who kindly shared his private
research on the Fitz William family with me, which research proved the
parentage of Ellen Fitz William, wife of Sir John de Lungvilers [Gen.
4 below]. Also thanks go to John Watson who offered helpful
suggestions regarding this line.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + +
1. Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou, by an unknown mistress,
_____.
2. Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, married Isabel de Warenne.
3. Ela de Warenne, married William Fitz William, of Sprotborough,
Yorkshire.
4. Ellen Fitz William, married John de Lungvilers (or Lungvillers),
Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire.
5. John de Lungvillers, Knt., married _____.
6. Margaret de Lungvillers, married Geoffrey de Neville, Knt., of
Hornby, Lancashire, Chief Justice of the Forest beyond Trent.
7. Robert de Neville, of Melling, Lancashire, married Isabel de Byron.
8. Robert de Neville, Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire, married Joan de
Atherton.
9. Robert Neville, Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire, married Margaret de la
Pole.
10. Margaret Neville, married William Harington, K.G., of Farleton (in
Melling),Lancashire.
11. Agnes Harington, married Alexander Radcliffe, Esq., of Ordsall,
Lancashire.
12. Isabel Radcliffe, married James Harington, Knt., of Brixworth,
Northamptonshire.
13. Anne Harington, married William Stanley, Knt., of Hooton (in
Wirral), Cheshire.
14. Peter Stanley, Esq., of Moor Hall (in Aughton), Lancashire,
married Cecily Tarleton.
15. Anne Stanley, married Edward Sutton, Gent., of Knowsley (in
Huyton), Lancashire and Hall House (in Rushton Spencer),
Staffordshire.
16. Anne Sutton, married Richard Eltonhead, Gent., of Eltonhead (in
Prescot), Lancashire.
Children of Anne Sutton, by Richard Eltonhead, Gent.:
i. Jane Eltonhead, married (1st) [Capt.] Robert Morrison, of York
County, Virginia; (2nd) Cuthbert Fenwick, Gent., of St. Mary’s County,
Maryland.
ii. Agatha Eltonhead, married (1st) Luke Stubbins, of Accomack and
York Counties, Virginia; (2nd) Ralph Wormeley, Esq., of Rosegill,
Middlesex County, Virginia; (3rd) Henry Chichley, Knt., of
Rappahannock, Lancaster County, and Rosegill, Middlesex County,
Virginia.
iii. Eleanor Eltonhead, married (1st) [Capt.] William Brocas, Esq.,
of Lancaster County, Virginia; (2nd) [Col.] John Carter, Esq., of
Corotoman, Lancaster County, Virginia.
iv. Martha Eltonhead, married Edwin Conway, Gent., of Northampton
and Lancaster Counties, Virginia.
v. Alice Eltonhead, married (1st) Rowland Burnham, of York and
Lancaster Counties, Virginia; (2nd) Henry Corbin, of Middlesex County,
Virginia; (3rd) [Capt.] Henry Creyke (or Crayke, Creeke), of
Middlesex County, Virginia.
Below is an all new royal line for the New World immigrants, Jane,
Agatha, Eleanor, Martha, and Alice Eltonhead, of Virginia. This line
with full documentation will be included in my forthcoming new book,
Royal Ancestry, which is scheduled for publication in the near
future. The Eltonhead family has been previously identified by the
late William Addams Reitwiesner as being ancestral to Barack Obama,
President of the United States. For particulars of the Obama descent,
see Obama's extended ancestry as developed by Mr. Reitwiesner at the
following weblink:
http://www.wargs.com/political/obama.html
Special thanks go to John Ravilious who kindly shared his private
research on the Fitz William family with me, which research proved the
parentage of Ellen Fitz William, wife of Sir John de Lungvilers [Gen.
4 below]. Also thanks go to John Watson who offered helpful
suggestions regarding this line.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + +
1. Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou, by an unknown mistress,
_____.
2. Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey, married Isabel de Warenne.
3. Ela de Warenne, married William Fitz William, of Sprotborough,
Yorkshire.
4. Ellen Fitz William, married John de Lungvilers (or Lungvillers),
Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire.
5. John de Lungvillers, Knt., married _____.
6. Margaret de Lungvillers, married Geoffrey de Neville, Knt., of
Hornby, Lancashire, Chief Justice of the Forest beyond Trent.
7. Robert de Neville, of Melling, Lancashire, married Isabel de Byron.
8. Robert de Neville, Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire, married Joan de
Atherton.
9. Robert Neville, Knt., of Hornby, Lancashire, married Margaret de la
Pole.
10. Margaret Neville, married William Harington, K.G., of Farleton (in
Melling),Lancashire.
11. Agnes Harington, married Alexander Radcliffe, Esq., of Ordsall,
Lancashire.
12. Isabel Radcliffe, married James Harington, Knt., of Brixworth,
Northamptonshire.
13. Anne Harington, married William Stanley, Knt., of Hooton (in
Wirral), Cheshire.
14. Peter Stanley, Esq., of Moor Hall (in Aughton), Lancashire,
married Cecily Tarleton.
15. Anne Stanley, married Edward Sutton, Gent., of Knowsley (in
Huyton), Lancashire and Hall House (in Rushton Spencer),
Staffordshire.
16. Anne Sutton, married Richard Eltonhead, Gent., of Eltonhead (in
Prescot), Lancashire.
Children of Anne Sutton, by Richard Eltonhead, Gent.:
i. Jane Eltonhead, married (1st) [Capt.] Robert Morrison, of York
County, Virginia; (2nd) Cuthbert Fenwick, Gent., of St. Mary’s County,
Maryland.
ii. Agatha Eltonhead, married (1st) Luke Stubbins, of Accomack and
York Counties, Virginia; (2nd) Ralph Wormeley, Esq., of Rosegill,
Middlesex County, Virginia; (3rd) Henry Chichley, Knt., of
Rappahannock, Lancaster County, and Rosegill, Middlesex County,
Virginia.
iii. Eleanor Eltonhead, married (1st) [Capt.] William Brocas, Esq.,
of Lancaster County, Virginia; (2nd) [Col.] John Carter, Esq., of
Corotoman, Lancaster County, Virginia.
iv. Martha Eltonhead, married Edwin Conway, Gent., of Northampton
and Lancaster Counties, Virginia.
v. Alice Eltonhead, married (1st) Rowland Burnham, of York and
Lancaster Counties, Virginia; (2nd) Henry Corbin, of Middlesex County,
Virginia; (3rd) [Capt.] Henry Creyke (or Crayke, Creeke), of
Middlesex County, Virginia.
Wjhonson
Dec 6, 2012, 4:02:55 PM12/6/12
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What is the source for the name of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
Since John Ravilous told us many years ago that the "widow" Elena was the wife of his *son* who died within a few years of his father (living 1254, dead by 1257)
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Recte: What is the source for the name of the WIFE of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
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What is the source for the name of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
Since John Ravilous told us many years ago that the "widow" Elena was the wife of his *son* who died within a few years of his father (living 1254, dead by 1257)
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What is the source for the name of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
Since John Ravilous told us many years ago that the "widow" Elena was the wife of his *son* who died within a few years of his father (living 1254, dead by 1257)
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marlow...@frontier.com
Dec 6, 2012, 4:17:21 PM12/6/12
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Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr are my grandparents with Martha and her sisters descending from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton. I am still stuck on my grandfather Edward Sutton. #15.
Marianne Dillow
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Marianne Dillow
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Douglas Richardson
Dec 6, 2012, 4:45:07 PM12/6/12
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Dar Will ~
John Ravilious was previously under the impression that Ellen Fitz
William was the wife of the younger Sir John de Lungvilers. However,
our combined research has proven that Ellen was definitely the wife of
the elder Sir John de Lungvilers. The identity of the wife of the
younger Sir John de Lungvilers is presently unknown.
The sources for the marriage of Ellen and the elder Sir John will be
included in my new book, Royal Ancestry.
John Ravilious was previously under the impression that Ellen Fitz
William was the wife of the younger Sir John de Lungvilers. However,
our combined research has proven that Ellen was definitely the wife of
the elder Sir John de Lungvilers. The identity of the wife of the
younger Sir John de Lungvilers is presently unknown.
The sources for the marriage of Ellen and the elder Sir John will be
included in my new book, Royal Ancestry.
John P. Ravilious
Dec 7, 2012, 9:05:28 AM12/7/12
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On Dec 6, 4:02 pm, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> What is the source for the name of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
> Since John Ravilous told us many years ago that the "widow" Elena was the wife of his *son* who died within a few years of his father (living 1254, dead by 1257)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com>
> To: gen-medieval <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:35 pm
> Subject: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>
> What is the source for the name of John de Lungvilliers (senior)
> Since John Ravilous told us many years ago that the "widow" Elena was the wife of his *son* who died within a few years of his father (living 1254, dead by 1257)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com>
> To: gen-medieval <gen-medie...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:35 pm
> Subject: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
Dear Will,
The evidence providing the correction was found in the Testa de
Nevill, which provided the following re: Skegby, Notts. (my
rendering):
" Item Robert de Anill [Avill] and John de Nunnulers
[Lungvilers] held one knight's fee in SKEGHEBY of Thomas fitz William,
and Thomas of the Countess [Alice, Countess of Eu], and the Countess
of the King of the new feoffment; which they held in free-marriage
with the two sisters of the same Thomas." [1]
This text places Denise, wife of Robert de Avill (or d'Eyvill, fl
ca 1200- bef 28 Oct 1244) one generation earlier than I previously
showed.
It also provides the correct placement of Elena, the Lungvilers
wife as sister-in-law and not daughter of Robert d'Eyvill and Denise
Fitz William. My earlier placement was due to evidence that John
d'Eyvill was the nephew of Elena, and the chronological conundrum this
created [2]. Now that Elena can be correctly shown as Denise's
sister, identifying her nephew as John d'Eyvill (fl. ca. 1230-bef Oct
1291) is not problematic.
Cheers,
John
Notes
[1] Testa de Nevill (London, 1807), p. 7. The text reads in essence
(with contractions):
" It' Rob's de Anill & Joh'es de Nunnulers tene't feod' uni'
milit' in SKEGHEBY de Thom' fil' Will'i & Thom' de com' & comitissa de
Rege de novo feoffam'to quia cep't iu'd cu' maritagio duar' soro' d'ci
Thom'. "
http://books.google.com/books/about/Testa_de_Nevill_sive_liber_feodorum_in_C.html?id=dSVDAAAAcAAJ
[2] The University of Nottingham Library Manuscripts and Special
Collections
Catalogue of Mellish Collection, Deeds and Title Papers
early C12 to 1837, Me D 4/1-26, 13th Century to 1410
[Bundle of Deeds of Skegby, Nottinghamshire]
' Me D 4/4 13th C
Feoffment of lands and tenements in Skegby:
Elena de Lungvilers to Jn. de Eyvill her nephew.
Location: Skegby, Nottinghamshire.'
new URL http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/
Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 11:12:45 AM12/7/12
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Since Elena the widow is now of senior not junior, this would mean also that the supposed death terminus of junior "by 1257" vanishes as this was based on her being a "widow".
Which would also mean that the birth year of Margaret the sole heiress is relaxed as well
Which would also mean that the birth year of Margaret the sole heiress is relaxed as well
John Higgins
Dec 7, 2012, 2:39:58 PM12/7/12
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>
> [2] The University of Nottingham Library Manuscripts and Special
> Collections
> Catalogue of Mellish Collection, Deeds and Title Papers
> early C12 to 1837, Me D 4/1-26, 13th Century to 1410
> [Bundle of Deeds of Skegby, Nottinghamshire]
>
> ' Me D 4/4 13th C
> Feoffment of lands and tenements in Skegby:
> Elena de Lungvilers to Jn. de Eyvill her nephew.
> Location: Skegby, Nottinghamshire.'
>
> new URL http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/
Thanks, John, for providing the details to support this new take on
> [2] The University of Nottingham Library Manuscripts and Special
> Collections
> Catalogue of Mellish Collection, Deeds and Title Papers
> early C12 to 1837, Me D 4/1-26, 13th Century to 1410
> [Bundle of Deeds of Skegby, Nottinghamshire]
>
> ' Me D 4/4 13th C
> Feoffment of lands and tenements in Skegby:
> Elena de Lungvilers to Jn. de Eyvill her nephew.
> Location: Skegby, Nottinghamshire.'
>
> new URL http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/
the Lungvillers marriages. It's certainly a more helpful response
than "buy my yet-to-be published book". :-)
I think this new identification of the Lungviller wife provides an
earlier Plantagenet connection than was previously known for the
families of Neville of Hornby and of Liversedge, as well as families
descended from them (like Harington of Hornby and others).
Accordingly it will likely affect the ancestry of more people than
just the Eltonhead sisters.
Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 3:03:56 PM12/7/12
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Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
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On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
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Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 3:09:51 PM12/7/12
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By the way, this link is interesting in another unusual way, as Elena's closest royal ancestor was not English at all but rather was Fulk King of Jerusalem 1131-44
Her next closest royal ascent, was through her maternal grandmother, she descends equi-distantly from William King of England, and Henry King of France
Her next closest royal ascent, was through her maternal grandmother, she descends equi-distantly from William King of England, and Henry King of France
Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 3:15:35 PM12/7/12
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It affects descendents as well of Robert Abell who died 20 Jun 1663 Rehoboth, VA
To: jhigginsgen <jhigg...@yahoo.com>; gen-medieval <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack
Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings,
15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
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Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:40 am
Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack
Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings,
15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
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Olivier
Dec 7, 2012, 3:30:15 PM12/7/12
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Le vendredi 7 décembre 2012 21:03:56 UTC+1, wjhonson a écrit :
> Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
>
>
>
> On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
>
>
>
> Among others.
>
Can you give me the link to Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun ?
> Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
>
>
>
> On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
>
>
>
> Among others.
>
Thanks a lot
marlow...@frontier.com
Dec 7, 2012, 3:35:51 PM12/7/12
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Barack and I are distant cousins through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. As the lineage comes down to us his grandmother and my grandfather on the Thacker side of our families were brother and sister. So, does my lineage of Martha Eltonhead lead to Princess Diana or is that another line than my mine. I am afraid I don't know'as much as some of you. Ha!
Marianne Dillow
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Marianne Dillow
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Subject: Re: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
To: jhigg...@yahoo.com, gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 2:03:56 PM
Subject: Re: New Royal Ancestry for President Barack Obama and the Eltonhead sisters of Virginia
Someone contact the National Enquirer, John Higgins and I agree.
On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
On another note, as to who this change affects, this link is ancestral to Barack Obama, Princess Diana, Sarah Ferguson Duchess of York and Simon Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun
Among others.
Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 3:47:06 PM12/7/12
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No. The first shared ancestor of Princess Diana with Martha Eltonhead is
William Stanley of Hooten in Wirrall, Chester; Knt and his wife
Agnes Grosvenor
However Martha's sister Alice Eltonhead, is ancestral to General Robert E Lee (1807-1870)
William Stanley of Hooten in Wirrall, Chester; Knt and his wife
Agnes Grosvenor
However Martha's sister Alice Eltonhead, is ancestral to General Robert E Lee (1807-1870)
marlow...@frontier.com
Dec 7, 2012, 4:14:48 PM12/7/12
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Yes, I know about the Lee's But I have the Stanley book but I and another cousin thought one generation might not be correct but I have long forgotten which one he was talking about. I thought on the Stanley side that William Stanley of Hooton and his wife Agnes Grosvenor are my grandparents. Not connected to Eltonhead but my grandfather Edwin Conway, Sr. goes down to Pres. James Madison.
Marianne Dillow
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No. The first shared ancest or of Princess Diana with Martha Eltonhead is
Marianne Dillow
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John Higgins
Dec 7, 2012, 7:40:12 PM12/7/12
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On Dec 7, 6:05 am, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> [2] The University of Nottingham Library Manuscripts and Special
> Collections
> Catalogue of Mellish Collection, Deeds and Title Papers
> early C12 to 1837, Me D 4/1-26, 13th Century to 1410
> [Bundle of Deeds of Skegby, Nottinghamshire]
>
> ' Me D 4/4 13th C
> Feoffment of lands and tenements in Skegby:
> Elena de Lungvilers to Jn. de Eyvill her nephew.
> Location: Skegby, Nottinghamshire.'
>
> new URL http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/
This identification of the wife of Sir John de Lungvillers [senior] as
> [2] The University of Nottingham Library Manuscripts and Special
> Collections
> Catalogue of Mellish Collection, Deeds and Title Papers
> early C12 to 1837, Me D 4/1-26, 13th Century to 1410
> [Bundle of Deeds of Skegby, Nottinghamshire]
>
> ' Me D 4/4 13th C
> Feoffment of lands and tenements in Skegby:
> Elena de Lungvilers to Jn. de Eyvill her nephew.
> Location: Skegby, Nottinghamshire.'
>
> new URL http://longford.nottingham.ac.uk/
Ellen FitzWilliam also gives a much earlier Plantagenet connection to
the family of Pennington of Muncaster. See John R's post of 19 Nov
2007 for Sir John's daughter Agnes who married (1) Thomas de
Pennington and (2) Thomas de Greystoke.
Wjhonson
Dec 7, 2012, 8:33:22 PM12/7/12
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the ever helpful John Ravilous pointed out that Gundred Countess of Surrey was not a daughter of William the C.
I had that in my database "parentage disproven" but of course I failed to sever the "royal descent chain at that point.
So the royal line here is entirely French, no English royals.
John P. Ravilious
Dec 11, 2012, 1:08:27 PM12/11/12
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You're more than welcome.
There are a number of families with this early Plantagenet
ancestry. One of these, via the marriage of Agnes de Lungvilers and
Thomas de Pennington, is the Lacy family of Cromwellbotham (now
Cromwell Bottom). A host of Yorkshire families are thereby descended
from this pair, not to mention an oft-discussed emigrant (William
Farrar of Virginia) and some non-emigrants (e.g. Prince Charles).
Cheers,
John
Summer Hyatt
Dec 12, 2018, 11:27:44 AM12/12/18
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Have you published your book yet? I would like to see it.
Thank you,
Summer Hyatt
Richard Smith
Dec 17, 2018, 2:04:15 PM12/17/18
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On 12/12/2018 16:27, Summer Hyatt wrote:
> Have you published your book yet? I would like to see it.
Douglas Richardson's new book, Royal Ancestry, came out in 2013. You
> Have you published your book yet? I would like to see it.
can buy it on Amazon or direct from the author.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Royal-Ancestry-Colonial-Medieval-Families/dp/1463561687
http://www.royalancestry.net/about.html
Richard
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