Royalty Ancestors Of Reverend Francis Doughty, Husband Of Bridget

[Bradley Johnson]

Hello to all of the Members in the Medieval Google Groups. I am searching for some information and sources for the Ancestors Of Reverend Francis Doughty. I have seen a post England To New England in this group. Here is what it explains below;

GENTRY DESCENTS

Francis Doughty

1639, Bristol to Dorchester, Massachusetts, removed to New York, and then to Virginia.

Questions

1. Is Reverend Francis Doughty have any royalty ancestors?

2. How far back does Reverend Francis Doughty ancestry goes?

Thank you and Sincerely,

Bradley Johnson

[Joe]

The ancestry of Rev. Francis Doughty has been well researched and published:

John Anderson Brayton, "The Ancestry of the Reverend Francis Doughty of Massachusetts, Long Island, Amsterdam, Maryland, and Virginia," The American Genealogist 77 (2002):1-17, 127-136.

The article includes a discussion of a suit which proves his ancestry and many wills related to the family.

Robert Doughty m. Alice
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John Doughty m. Anne Holland (d. of William Holland of Burwarton, Shropshire)
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Francis Doughty m. Margaret Barker (d. of Thomas Barker and Anne Lloyd)
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Rev. Francis Doughty

The Baker and Holland families are carried further back in the article and can also be found in the Visitations.

I do not believe there is a proven royal ancestry, however, there is the possibility of a connection of William Holland of Burwarton to the Holand family who were the earls of Kent (there is only minor differences in their arms).

Joe

[Jan Wolfe]

Arthur L. Barker proposes a line that would take Francis Doughty's mother, Margaret Barker, back to a Randulph de Claverhall who he proposes was born before 1179 in Shropshire.

Barker's book is available on microfilm from the FHL:

Arthur L. Barker, The Barkers of Aston (Plymouth, England: The Mayflower Press, 1932, FHL film 1405167, https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/219758

The proposed descent is
01 Randulph de Calverhall
02 William de Calverhall
03 William de Calverhall=Wenkiana
04 William de Calverhall=Alina
05 Randulph de Calverhall=Margaret dau. of Peter Pigot of Willaston, Shropshire
06 William Barker
07 Roger Barker=Alice
08 William Barker=Margaret Goulston
09 Unknown Barker (brother of John Barker)
10 Thomas Barker
11 John Barker=Joyce Burton
12 William Barker=Joanne Horne
13 William Barker=Mary Titteley
14 Thomas Barker=Ann Lloyd
15 Margaret Barker=Francis Doughty
16 Francis Doughty (the immigrant)

The 1623 visitation of Shropshire jumps from A. L. Barker's generation 5 (12 Edw. 2) to his generation 8 and shows A. L. Barker's generation 12 as contemporary with his generation 9. Generations 12-15 are as shown in the Shropshire visitation.

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Bradley ~

The Pigot chart published in Lipscomb, History and Antiquities of County Buckingham, 1 (1847): 409 indicates that Peter Pigot, of Willaston, Shropshire, living 1282, married "Joane, dau. of Sir Fulke Fitz-Warine, Knt., of Abberbury."

Sir Fulk Fitz Warin (also known as Fulk Glas and Fulk de Layham), of Alberbury, Shropshire, occurs in 1264-1292, was a younger full brother of Fulk Fitz Warin (died 1264), of Whittington, Shropshire, who married Constance de Tony.

For further particulars regarding Sir Fulk Fitz Warin, of Alberbury, Shropshire, see Eyton, Antiquities of Shropshire 7 (1858): 79-86, available at the following weblink:

https://books.google.com/books?id=6UtNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA79

Eyton indicates that Fulk Fitz Warin, of Alberbury, was summoned in 1292 to answer his nephew, Fulk Fitz Warin, of Whittington, Shropshire, who sought to make him keep to a convention concerning the manor of Alberbury, Shropshire, formerly made between the plaintiff's father and the defendant.

I also find that in 1290 John le Romeyn, Archbishop of York, mandated that his official make inquiry about a precious stone called "asininius" bequeathed by lady Agnes Bacun, of Edlington, Yorkshire, deceased, to her brother, Sir Fulk Fitz Warin, of Alberbury, Shropshire [Reference: Romeyn, Reg. of John le Romeyn Lord Archbishop of York 1286-1296, 1 (Surtees Soc. 123) (1913): 99-100].

Lady Agnes Bacun and her brother, Sir Fulk Fitz Warin, of Alberbury, were younger children of Fulk Fitz Warin, Knt., of Whittington and Alberbury, Shropshire, Alveston, Gloucestershire, etc., by his 1st wife, Maud le Vavasour.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

[Sholom Simon via]

>Hello to all of the Members in the Medieval Google Groups. I am
searching for some information and sources for the Ancestors Of Reverend
Francis Doughty.

I see a nice article on his ancestors at TAG 77:(Jan.
2002):1-17, continued at 77(Apr 2002):127-136

Some lines go back to
late 1400's -- although I didn't see any royalty (but I'm not an expert,
and only took a quick look)

-- Sholom

[David Drabold via]

Rev Francis Doughty was from Gloucestershire and Shropshire gentry, his father was another Francis and mother was Margaret Barker, all traced in the Visitation of Gloucestershire and Salop. The Barker line is quite interesting, and may link up to Edward Burton of Longnor, again following Visitations. Francis the younger's mother was Anna Holland (of Burwarton).

Francis had a turbulent career and we know more about the family because of a lawsuit by his sister Elizabeth (who married William Cole of Chew Magna, Somerset). It seems that Francis was trying to claim far more from their father's Will than intended! Elizabeth and Cole also emigrated and ended up in Maine.

I have a a few more particulars and sources I can provide but the basic scaffolding for this family, for what it's worth, are the Visitations of Gloucs and Salop.

Dave Drabold

[Matt A]

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:29:01 AM UTC-4, Bradley Johnson wrote:

I couldn't figure out how to forward the below message, which I had previously posted regarding the possible FitzWarine descent.

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Douglas,

The connection from Joan (FitzWarin) Pigot to Margaret (Pigot) Calverall was given on the histfam.familysearch.org tree that was based on Joseph Morris' "Genealogies of Shropshire" (which is apparently available through FamilySearch microfilm loan: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/2011-08/1314801376) (I'm not certain it matters, but it gave the surname as Pigot, not Picot, as per the Visitation of Shropshire, 1623, part 1 p. 27 and part 2 p.400). If I recall correctly, the online family tree in question gave a precise volume and page number citation, as well as mentioned the existence of an original document cited therein by Morris. Unfortunately, the status of all of the histfam.familysearch.org family trees is unclear; for the past few months, some of the individual pages, if accessed via bookmarks or Google/Yahoo searches, have been redirecting to a page that says "We apologize that our site is temporarily down for maintenance." Many (probably most) other pages, however, do not even appear any longer via Google or Yahoo searches, which leads me to conclude that were probably removed too far in the past to be accessed through Google or Yahoo's cache. In other words, I think the site is being dismantled rather than maintained (perhaps it can still be accessed at some or all of the Family History Libraries as an internal resource?). Regardless, I can give no more precise a source than Morris' "Genealogies of Shropshire."

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

-Matt Ahlgren

[jhigg...@yahoo.com]

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 11:34:24 AM UTC-7, Matt A wrote:

>
> I couldn't figure out how to forward the below message, which I had previously posted regarding the possible FitzWarine descent.
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Douglas,
>
> The connection from Joan (FitzWarin) Pigot to Margaret (Pigot) Calverall was given on the histfam.familysearch.org tree that was based on Joseph Morris' "Genealogies of Shropshire" (which is apparently available through FamilySearch microfilm loan: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-SHROPSHIRE-PLUS/2011-08/1314801376) (I'm not certain it matters, but it gave the surname as Pigot, not Picot, as per the Visitation of Shropshire, 1623, part 1 p. 27 and part 2 p.400). If I recall correctly, the online family tree in question gave a precise volume and page number citation, as well as mentioned the existence of an original document cited therein by Morris. Unfortunately, the status of all of the histfam.familysearch.org family trees is unclear; for the past few months, some of the individual pages, if accessed via bookmarks or Google/Yahoo searches, have been redirecting to a page that says "We apologize that our site is temporarily down for maintenance." Many (probably most) other pages, however, do not even appear any longer via Google or Yahoo searches, which leads me to conclude that were probably removed too far in the past to be accessed through Google or Yahoo's cache. In other words, I think the site is being dismantled rather than maintained (perhaps it can still be accessed at some or all of the Family History Libraries as an internal resource?). Regardless, I can give no more precise a source than Morris' "Genealogies of Shropshire."
>
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>
> -Matt Ahlgren

The FHL's Community Trees databases (notably the Welsh Genealogy database) which used to be at histfam.familysearch.org is now available, in a different format, at familysearch.org. It's included in a larger platform which also encompasses (unfortunately, in my opinion) the Ancestral File, the Pedigree Resource File, and the IGI.

At familysearch.org, click on "Search", then "Genealogies", which will bring up a search page:
https://familysearch.org/family-trees
If you want to search only the Community Trees database (recommended, in my opinion), go to the bottom of the page next to the "Search" button, click on the "All" dropdown menu, and click "Community Trees". All the information in the Welsh Genealogy database is still there, but in a considerably different display format. It takes some time to get used to the changes, but it does work....

[Matt A]

Thank you. I am now able to provide a precise citation for the parentage of Margaret (Pigot) Calverhall: Genealogies of Shropshire Families, vol. 3 p. 1318. And regarding Jane (FitzWarine) Pigot, in addition to vol. 3 p. 1318, there is vol. 7 p. 3614. I'm not sure if the below link will work:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3WWY-KWB

[28day...@gmail.com]

I realize this was posted several years ago. But as an adopted person, I am just learning my genealogy and it appears I am a 9th great-grandaughter of Rev. Francis and find all of this amazing, fulfilling, and magical. Thank you all that have done the work before me that is allowing me this magical journey! Jo "Doughty"

[Jan Wolfe]

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:01:59 PM UTC-4, 28day...@gmail.com wrote:
> I realize this was posted several years ago. But as an adopted person, I am just learning my genealogy and it appears I am a 9th great-grandaughter of Rev. Francis and find all of this amazing, fulfilling, and magical. Thank you all that have done the work before me that is allowing me this magical journey! Jo "Doughty"

The link in Matt's post 10/28/15 no longer works, but the revised link may be this one:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3KH5-NNB
I followed John instructions (10/27/15) to find it.
The description of the source of the tree is:
Community Trees - Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily Nobility and Gentry lines. Date range: 100s-1900s.This Welsh community tree, when complete, will include lineage-linked data for approximately 350,000 individuals living in the period of about A.D. 100 to the 1800s. The information was extracted from a multivolume work by Peter Bartrum on Welsh genealogies. Date range: 300s–1900s.

[taf]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 9:34:21 AM UTC-7, Jan Wolfe wrote:
> The description of the source of the tree is:
> Community Trees - Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily Nobility
> and Gentry lines. Date range: 100s-1900s.This Welsh community tree,
> when> complete, will include lineage-linked data for approximately
> 350,000 individuals living in the period of about A.D. 100 to the
> 1800s. The information was extracted from a multivolume work by
> Peter Bartrum on Welsh genealogies. Date range: 300s–1900s.

Ugh! ". . . individuals living in the period of about A.D. 100 to the
1800s." This is just going to propagate the myth that these legendary Welsh pedigrees that ridiculously claim to trace to 100 A.D. have any basis in reality. No matter how many disclaimers you put on the 'About' page of the database explaining that this is simply a record of the traditions and not authentic genealogy, this material will end up spewed all over the web - FamilySearch Tree, Ancestry, Wikipedia, etc., citing this database as its unimpeachable source.

taf

[Jan Wolfe]

On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 1:22:09 PM UTC-4, taf wrote:
...

> Ugh! ". . . individuals living in the period of about A.D. 100 to the
> 1800s." This is just going to propagate the myth that these legendary Welsh pedigrees that ridiculously claim to trace to 100 A.D. have any basis in reality. No matter how many disclaimers you put on the 'About' page of the database explaining that this is simply a record of the traditions and not authentic genealogy, this material will end up spewed all over the web - FamilySearch Tree, Ancestry, Wikipedia, etc., citing this database as its unimpeachable source.
>
> taf

I agree, but the part of the database about the later medieval Fitz Warin ancestry of Margaret Pigot may be more factual and a useful starting place for serious researchers.

Thank you Jo "Doughty" for reminding me about the existence of this thread and the comments of Joe, Douglas, Matt, John, and others about sources for the Doughty genealogy. I would welcome any contributions about sources and accuracy of the ancestry of Margaret Pigot shown in the database. Also contributions about the connection of Margaret Pigot and Ralph/Randolph Coverall/Claverhall to Francis Doughty's mother Margaret Barker.

[28day...@gmail.com]

Some amusing tellings of his antics once in the United States if you're interested. He was quite a litigious character!

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/4242057.pdf?ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187%2Ftest&refreqid=search%3A5b9df3ee72d35dac8a958ba5e1a22c9b

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Cradle_Days_of_New_York/vYLfMqeAsSIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Rev+Francis+Doughty&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover

He seemed a quite outspoken Puritan and early Presbyterian once he had enough of the controversies in the north east....he moved south. That too did not end without legal action.