Thornhill of Fixby and Armytage of Kirklees: descents from Edward I
The...@aol.com
Dear Tony, Robert, et al.,
In the course of resolving the descent of the Trigott (or Trygott)
family of South Kirkby, Yorks. from William Symmes of Barnsley and his
wife Margaret Bosvile, I noted that among the coheirs was Anne, wife of
Thomas Thornhill, of Fixby, co. Yorks. (d. 1661). The SGM archives
indicate that you both were interested in Thornhill of Fixby, and
therefore I am forwarding this descent to you, and to the list. Via
Trigott of South Kirkby, the later Thornhills of Fixby have 3 identified
descents from Edward I of England - only one of which is shown below.
This should of course pale when compared to descents via the later
Fairfax and Wyvill marriages.
I note also this will impact other descents at this generation,
including Armitage/Armytage of Kirklees, as indicated. Hopefully this
will be of use to those interested in descents from Sir John Armytage
of Kirklees (d. 1676/7).
Should anyone have relevant comment, criticism or additional
documentation, that would of course be welcome.
Cheers,
John
1 Edward I 'Longshanks' of England [1]
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1.1a Joan 'of Acre' of England* [3]
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1.1a.1a Eleanor de Clare*
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Birth: Oct 1292, Caerphilly Castle[3]
Death: 30 Jun 1337[3]
eldest daughter and coheiress of her brother
she m. lstly Hugh le Despenser,
2ndly William la Zouche Mortimer
cf. CP IV:267-271[4]
Spouse: Hugh le Despenser
Death: 24 Nov 1326, Hereford (executed)[4]
Birth: ca 1287
Father: Sir Hugh le Despenser (1260-1326)
Mother: Isabel de Beauchamp (-<1306)
Marr: aft 14 Jun 1306[4]
1.1a.1a.1 Sir Edward le Despenser[4]
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Death: 30 Sep 1342, battle of Morlaix, Brittany[4]
Occ: knight
knight, of Buckland, co. Bucks, Eyworth, Beds., West Winterslow,
co. Wilts, and Essendine, co. Rutland
2nd son[4]
cf. CP IV:274-5[4]
Spouse: Anne de Ferrers
Death: 8 Aug 1367[4]
Father: Sir William de Ferrers (1271-1324)
Mother: Ellen de Segrave (->1364)
Marr: 20 Apr 1335, Groby[1]
1.1a.1a.1.1 Edward le Despenser[8]
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Birth: 24 Mar 1335, Essendine, co. Rutland[4]
Death: 11 Nov 1375, Llanblethian, co. Glamorgan[4]
Burial: Tewkesbury Abbey
Occ: Lord Despenser
lord of Glamorgan and Morganwwg
heir of his uncle Hugh le Despenser, Lord le Despenser
(d. bef Dec 1357)
his will dated 6 November 1375, at Llanblethian
Spouse: Elizabeth Burghersh
Birth: bef 5 Apr 1342[4]
Death: 26 Jul 1409[4]
Father: Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh (?1323-1369)
Mother: Cecily de Weyland (ca1318->1354)
Marr: bef 2 Aug 1354[4]
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a Anne le Despenser*
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Death: 30 Oct 1426[1],[2]
Burial: Austin Friars Norwich[2]
3rd daughter
Dispensation for her remarriage to Thomas, Lord Morley
- Calendar of Papal Registers 1362-1404, dated 12 Kal Nov 1390[13]
as 'the Lady Morley, my daughter,..' to receive 'my best chalice'
under the terms of the will of her mother [will of Elizabeth de
Burghersh, Dame le Despencer, dated 4 Jul 1409[14]]
She m. lstly Sir Hugh de Hastings;
2ndly (as 2nd wife) Sir Thomas Morley, Lord Morley [4],[8]
Spouse: Sir Hugh Hastings[8]
Death: 6 Nov 1386, Spain[3]
Birth: ca 1346[17]
Father: Hugh de Hastings (>1328-1369)
Mother: Margaret de Everingham (->1375)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a Sir Edward Hastings*
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Birth: bef 22 May 1382, Fenwick[4]
Death: 6 Jan 1437, prob. in the Marshalsea prison[4]
Bapt: 21 May 1382, Campsall, co. Yorks.[4]
Occ: Lord Hastings
knight, of Elsing, Gressenhall and Weasenham, Norfolk, Fenwick, co.
York & c.
8th Lord Hastings; succeeded brother Hugh Hastings, 7th Lord, on
his death 2 Nov 1396 [while yet a minor]
styled Lord of Hastynges and Stoutville
definitive proof of the parentage of his 1st wife Muriel Dinham
is given in a Pre-nuptial settlement dated 20 Feb 1405-06 [A2A,
Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice,
AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[12]
lost suit over right to bear the undifferenced arms of Hastings[4] to
Reynold Grey, Lord Grey of Ruthin (q.v.)
in the Court of Chivalry 9 May 1410; refused to pay the costs of the
suit, and imprisoned ca. 1417 in the Marshalsea (apparently until
his death)[1]
Will of Sir EdwardHastynges, Kt. 4 July 15 Hen VI [1437] - A2A,
Norfolk Record Office: Hastings Family of Gressenhall [ MR 319,
319A 242 x 5 - Also two drafts][12]
he m. 1stly Muriel Dinham,
2ndly Margery Clifton[2]
Spouse: Muriel Dinham[3],[8]
Death: bef 1 Jul 1427[12]
Father: John Dinham, Lord Dinham(>1359-1428)
Mother: Eleanor de Montagu (-ca1394)
Marr: aft 20 Feb 1405[12],[20],[2]
Children: John (<1411-1477)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1 John Hastings[8]
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Birth: bef 6 Jan 1411[4]
Death: 9 Apr 1477, Elsing, Norfolk[3],[4]
Burial: Gressenhall Church, Norfolk[4]
Occ: Lord Hastings
esquire, of Gressenhall, Elsing, East Lexham and Weasenham, Norfok,
Fenwick, Norton and Moseley, co. Yorks., and Monewden, Suffolk
9th Lord Hastings[4]
dispensation for his marriage to Anne Morley, under Papal mandate
dated 21 Apr 1434 [ CP VI:360, sub Hastings, note f[4]]
Will of John Hastynges of Elsyng, squyer. 8 Apr. 1477 -
A2A, Norfolk Record Office: Hastings Family of Gressenhall
[ MR 320 242 x 5 ][12]
Spouse: Anne Morley
Death: 1471[4]
Father: Thomas Morley (<1393-1435)
Mother: Isabel de la Pole (-1466)
Marr: aft 21 Apr 1434[4]
Children: Isabel (->1490)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1 Isabel Hastings
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Death: aft 10 Jun 1490[12]
'Izabell wyff to Thomas Bosvyle of Ardesley.'
[HSP 16:156, Vis. of Yorkshire: pedigree of Hastynges[8]]
'Izabel doughter to John Hastynges of Fenwyke.' [HSP 16:28,
pedigree of Bosvyle[8]]
' Isabel Boswell ', will of her grandmother Isabel, Lady Morley
dated 3 May 1464, proved 27 Feb 1466/7) [Hansen, TAG 69:132[22],
cites Consistory Court of Norwich, 50-53 Jekkys.]
' Isabel (wife of Thomas Bosvile)', daughter of John Hastings and
Anne Morley [Richardson p. 290[2]]
' 9. Isabel Hastings = Thomas Bosvile ' [RD 600, p. 316[23]]
grant of dower, 10 Jun 1490:
' Isabella Bosevile, widow, late wife of Thomas Bosevile,
knight, dec'd., of the first part.
Richard Keresford, Richard Symmes of Barnesley and John
Slakk, feoffees of Thomas Bosevile of all his lands and
tenements in Yorkshire, of the second part.
With the consent of the kinsfolk of John Bosevile, son and heir of
John Bosevile, son and heir of Thomas Bosevile, the feoffees grant
to Isabella, as her dower, 1 messuage in Calthorn, now called
Canonhall, and all lands and other appurtenances, in the tenure
of John Cowden; 2 cottages in Calthorn; a tenement built on the
Cliffhyll, in the tenure of Elizabeth Burnley, widow; annual rent
of 3/10, from a messuage in Ardesley, called Dawrodes als Wodehede.
For life. ' [A2A, Sheffield Archives: Spencer Stanhope Muniments
[SpSt/1 - SpSt/172], Deeds concerning Cannon Hall : SpSt/140/1[12]
cf. Yorks. Deeds II:20-21[24]
CP VI:360, sub Hastings[4]
MacDonald p. 228[25]
Richardson p. 290[2]
HSP 16:28, pedigree of Bosvyle[8]]
HSP 16:156, Vis. of Yorkshire: pedigree of Hastynges[8]
Turner pp. 135-6[26]
Roberts, p. 316[23]
Ravilious, <Plantagenet Descent: Edward I to Symmes of
Barnsley>[27]
Spouse: Sir Thomas Bosvile, of Ardsley, co. Yorks.
Death: bef 10 Jun 1490[12]
Father: William Bosvile (ca1401-)
Mother: Maud FitzWilliam
Marr: bef 3 May 1464[22]
Children: Margaret
John (-<1490)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1 Margaret Bosvile
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' Margaret, daughter and coheiress of Thomas Bosvile of Edderthorpe '
[Yorks. Deeds II:20[24]]
Note: she was not a coheiress; also, her father Thomas Bosvile was
lord of Edderthorpe, but was better known as Thomas Bosvile of
Ardsley.
' 10. Margaret Bosvile = William Symmes ' [RD 600, p. 316[23]]
administratrix of the estate of her husband William Symmes (together
with her father in law):
' 61. Oct. 7, 1483. Admon. of the goods of William Symmys of
Bernesley granted to Margaret, his relict, and to Richard Symmys
of Barnesley. (Ibid., v, 203.)' [Yorks. Deeds II:22[24]]
' lady Margaret Symmes', executrix (together with executors Gerard
Lacy and others) of the will of her father-in-law Richard Symmes of
Barnsley, dated 7 Mar 1491/2, proved 6 Oct 1492
[Yorks. Deeds II:21[24]]
cf. Yorks. Deeds II:20-22[24]
Yorks. Deeds VI:3-4[28]
Turner pp. 135-6[26]
Roberts, p. 316[23]
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re: her husband:
William Symmes, of Barnsley [2nd son of Richard Symmes of Barnsley]
he d. before 7 Oct 1483:
' 61. Oct. 7, 1483. Admon. of the goods of William Symmys of
Bernesley granted to Margaret, his relict, and to Richard Symmys
of Barnesley. (Ibid., v, 203.)' [Yorks. Deeds II:22[24]]
Spouse: William Symmes
Death: bef 7 Oct 1483, d.v.p.[24]
Father: Richard Symmes (-<1492)
Mother: Judith Reresby
Children: William (-<1501)
Alice (->1534)
Isabel
Joan (-<1501)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1 Joan Symmes
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Death: bef 3 Nov 1501[24]
coheir (in her issue) of her brother William Symmes:
' Joan wife of Thomas Trygott ', her daughter, was one of the
coheirs of William Symmes, who
'paid 15s. heriot for the Hipperholme property, as his heirs,
William being described as brother of Alice and Isabel, and uncle
of Joan. (Wakefield Court Roll.) ' [Yorks. Deeds II:21[24]]
Spouse: Robert Burton
Children: Joan (->1534)
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1.1 Joan Burton
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Death: aft 19 Mar 1534[24]
coheir of her uncle William Symmes of Barnsley
' Joan doughter & coheyr of Robert Burton of Kyrkburton.'
[HSP 16:325, pedigree of Trygot[8]]
' Thomas [Trygott], sonne and heire of Thomas, maryed Jonne, one of
the doughters and heirs of Robert Burton of Kirkburton, esquire, and
by her had yssu Robert sonne and heire. ' [Vis. North II:58,
pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby.[30]]
bond dated 2 Nov 1519 [Deeds 647: Bond, 1519, Nov. 2. 11 Henry VIII.
1 item : parchment ; 14.5 x 29.5 cm.] :
' SUMMARY: Bond of Roger Rokley, esq., to Thomas Trigot in the
sum of 10 marks, to secure the payment of 40 to the said Thomas in
case Charles Pilkyngton recover against him 8 messuages, a fulling
mill, 200 acres of land, 30 acres of meadow, and 8 acres of wood,
etc., in High Birton, Thurston lande, Rile, and Shelley in the
county of York, late the inheritance of Ellis Birton and now
conveyed by bargain and sale to Thomas by Roger, by action tried
against the said Thomas by reason of any former bargain and sale
by Roger or Sir Thomas his father, to the said Charles.
Signed by: Roger Rokley.
(With 1 seal (1.3 cm.) of brown wax, bearing the intitial T.)
[HOLLIS number: -BDM1362, Deed 647[31]]
' 56. Sept. 15, 16 Henry VIII (1524). Bargain and sale by Thomas
Trigott {2}, esq., and ‘Jan’ his wife, cousin and one of the
heirs of William Symez, deceased, to John Sayvell of the Newe
Hall {1}, gent., of all their messuages, lands, etc., in the town
and fields of Barkysland, then in the tenure of Gilbert Helywell,
which, by the decease of the said William, were to them limited
and assigned. Thom(a)s Trygot. (J. T. Horton, esq.) '
[Yorks. Deeds II:20-21[24]]
'Joan wife of Thomas Trygott', one of the coheirs of her
uncle William Symmes:
' 1506. - Alice wife of Gerard Lacy, Esq., Isabell wife of John
Sayntpaule, and Johna wife of Thos. Tryggot, paid 40s. heriot for
mess., edifice, 1/2 bov., 15 acres of roidland, 4 1/2 ac. formerly
waste in Hyprum (graveship); Wm. Symmes (brother of Alice and
Isabella, and uncle of Johana) being dead.' [Turner pp. 135-6[26]]
in re: a separate property in Hipperholme,
'...on June 18, 1507, Alice wife of Gerrard Lacy,
esq., Isabel wife of John Sayntpaule, and Joan wife of Thomas
Trygott, paid 15s. heriot for the Hipperholme property, as his
heirs, William being described as brother of Alice and Isabel,
and uncle of Joan. (Wakefield Court Roll.) All these ladies
were described as widows in a surrender in court on Mar. 19,
1534-5, by which they made over their interest in the same
property to William son of John Sayntpoule (ibid.) ' [Yorks.
Deeds II:21[24]]
' Thomas Trygot and Johanna his wife ', deforciants in a fine of
1528 concerning " the Manor of Highburton and 70 messuages, 4 mills,
with lands in Riley, Melton, Shelley, Collersley, North Crosland,
Lokwood, Thurstonland, Lyndtwayte, Cumberworth, Dodworth,
Barnesley, Carleton near Ruston, Harlyngton and Hulland, a
third part of 2 messuages with land in Thurnsto and Worsburgh, and
a sixth part of 3 messuages with lands in EDERTHORP, and the
advowson of the chantry of St. Mary in the parish of Highburton. '
Feet of Fines I:52[32]
Spouse: Thomas Trigott, of South Kirkby, co. Yorks.
Marr: bef 1507[26],[24]
Children: Robert
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1.1.1 Robert Trigott
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Esq., of South Kirkby and Edderthorpe, co. Yorks.
' Robert Trygot, son &heyr. = Jone doughter to Sir John Wentworth
of Emsall, Knight.' [HSP 16:326, pedigree of Trygot[8]]
' Robert, sonne and heire of the third Thomas, maryed Janne, one of
the doughters of Sir John Wentworth of Emshall, knight, and by her
had yssu Bartholowmew sonne and heire, Thrustram second sonne,
Anthony died withowte yssu, William fourth sonne, John died yonge,
Dorothe, Alice and Fraunces died younge, Elizabeth.'
[Vis. North II:58, pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby.[30]]
' Robert Trigott, esq. ', deforciant in a fine of 1544
(1544 - Easter Term, 36 Henry VIII) concerning " A third part of
a moiety of 4 messuages with lands in EDDERTHORP and Derfeld." Feet
of Fines I:109[32]
Spouse: Joan Wentworth
Father: Sir John Wentworth of North Elmsall(-<1544)
Mother: Anne Creke
Children: Bartholomew (-<1595)
Tristram
Anthony
William
John
Dorothy
Alice
Frances
Elizabeth
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Bartholomew Trigott
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Death: bef 28 Jan 1595[30]
Burial: 12 Aug 1595, South Kirkby, co. Yorks.[30]
of South Kirkby, co. Yorks.
' Bartholmew, sonne and heire of Robert...' [Vis. North II:58,
pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby[30]]
will of Bartholomew Trigott dated 6 Aug 1595, proved 28 Jan 1595/6
[Vis. North II:58 note[30], cites Dodsworth's Church Notes, p. 22]
cf. HSP 16:326, pedigree of Trygot[8]
Vis. North II:58, pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby[30]
Spouse: Lucy Bouth
Children: Thomas
Leonard
Elizabeth
Jane
Dorothy
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Thomas Trigott
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of South Kirkby, co. Yorks.
Marriage settlement of Thomas Thornhill of Fixby, dated 12 October
1614:
' Indenture between Thomas Thornhill of Fixby, Thomas Trigott of
Southkirkeby co. York and Henry Grice Sandall and George Holegate
of Stapleton, the two latter being the trustees. Thomas Thornhill
is to marry Ann Trigott, one of the three daughters and coheirs of
Thomas Trigot, the other two being Elizabeth (wife of John Mosley,
son and heir of Thomas Mosley of York) and Luce Trigott.
The Thornhill estates, after provision for dower, viz. the manors
of Fixby, Hipperholme and Old Linley, Tothill Hall and appurtenances
in Rastrick, Linlands and Okehoweses and other lands in Rastrick,
Clifton, Huddersfield, Quarmby, Hawton, Almondroyde in Hipperholme,
the three freehold portions of Brighouse Mills, a kiln in Rastrick,
the Burn and New Lands (fully described with boundaries) in Rastrick
with all the lands inherited from John Thornhill, deceased (brother of
Thomas), are settled on Thomas Thornhill and the heirs in tail male of
himself and Ann, with successive remainders in tail male to Nicholas
Thornhill of Tothill, William Thornhill of Haleford co. Warwick,
brother of Nicholas, and reversion to the heirs general of Thomas
Thornhill. The dower lands are in the first place limited to the heirs
male of Thomas and Ann, should Ann die before Thomas. There is also
provision for any daughters in the event of there being no sons.
In the event of his having no son Thomas Trigott's estate on his
death is to be divided into 3 parts and a third is to be settled on
Thomas Thornhill and Ann and their heirs male, with reversion to the
heirs general of Ann.' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/26/4 (a)[12]
cf. HSP 16:326, pedigree of Trygot[8]
Vis. North II:58, pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby[30]
Children: Anne
Elizabeth
Luce
1.1a.1a.1.1.1a.1a.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Anne Trigott
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Marriage settlement of Thomas Thornhill of Fixby, dated 12 October 1614
- A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/26/4 (a)[12]
cf. HSP 16:326, pedigree of Trygot[8]
Vis. North II:58, pedigree of Trigott of South Kerkby[30]
Spouse: Thomas Thornhill, of Fixby, co. Yorks.
Death: 1661[33]
Father: John Thornhill (-1607)
Mother: Jane Marsh
Marr: aft 12 Oct 1614[12]
Children: John (-<1669), of Fixby, co. Yorks.
Thomas (-<1642)
Brian
Margaret, m. Sir John Armytage of Kirklees
Anne
Mary
Frances
Rebecca
Elizabeth, m. Langdale Sunderland, Esq.
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* John P. Ravilious
Tony Ingham
I read through your data with great interest and wish to congratulate
you on the results of what must have been some intensive research.
My interest in the family centres around correcting all the
misinformation on the 'net (and doubtless published elsewhere)
concerning the descent from Bryan Thornhill ( -1484) up to John
Thornhill (1513-1567).
I'd be extremely interested to see your data for that period.
All the best,
Tony Ingham
The...@aol.com
Dear Tony,
Following is a 6-generation pedigree for the Thornhills of Fixby,
from Brian Thornhill (d. 1484) to the children of John Thornhill
(d. 26 Apr 1567). I had found that the pedigree of Thornhill of
Fixby and Riddlesworth in Foster's Pedigrees was largely accurate,
when compared to the documentation which include a few clear
statements as to relationships.
Please let me know how this compares to what you have, and as to
whether or not there is any disagreement, or additional documentation.
Cheers,
John
==================================
1 Brian Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Death: Mar 1484[1]
Father: William Thornhill (-1443)
Mother: Barbara Hopton
Esq., of Fixby and Toothill, co .Yorks.
' Bryan Thornhill, of Fixby and Toothill, Esq., married (? when 15
years old), 1408, appointed a supervisor under the will of Sir Richard
Copley, of Batley, pr. 28 September, 1434, and died March, 1484.
= Jennet, daughter of John de Calton, of Flockton ' [pedigree of
Thornhill, of Fixby and Riddlesworth: Foster's Yorkshire Pedigrees[1]]
grant dated at Batley, St. Augustine's Day, 37 Henry VI ( 1459):
' Grant in tail by Brian Thornhill, of Fixby, Thomas Strenger,
chaplain of Elland parish church, and John Lyster, chaplain of Elland
chantry, feoffees, for the use of the same Brian, to John Thornhill,
son of Brian, and Elizabeth, his wife, daughter of Robert Mirfeld, of
messuages etc. in Rastrick in the occupation of Richard Raunslove and
William Fryth. ' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/20/2[2]
Lease dated 10 February 1470/1:
' By Brian Thornhill and John, his son, to the prior and convent
of Holy Trinity, York, for 10 years, of one orm with garden and selion
outside Mikilligh Barre. ' [Publication Note: Yorkshire Archaeological
Society Yorkshire Deeds vol. iii no. 124] - A2A, Yorkshire
Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection,
DD12/II/3/9/23[2]
Spouse: Jennet Calton
Father: John Calton
Marr: 1408[1]
Children: John (-<1484)
Diones
1.1 John Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 1 Jun 1484, d.v.p.[2],[1]
' John de [sic] Thornhill, o.v.p. = Elizabeth, daughter of Robert
Mirfield ' [pedigree of Thornhill, of Fixby and Riddlesworth: Foster's
Yorkshire Pedigrees[1]]
Marriage settlement (undated):
' On the marriage of John Thornhill, son and heir of Brian Thornhill,
with Elizabeth, daughter of Robert Mirfeld. ' [Publication Note:
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol. iii no. 126]
- A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/3/9/21[2]
grant dated at Batley, St. Augustine's Day, 37 Henry VI ( 1459):
' Grant in tail by Brian Thornhill, of Fixby, Thomas Strenger,
chaplain of Elland parish church, and John Lyster, chaplain of Elland
chantry, feoffees, for the use of the same Brian, to John Thornhill,
son of Brian, and Elizabeth, his wife, daughter of Robert Mirfeld, of
messuages etc. in Rastrick in the occupation of Richard Raunslove and
William Fryth. ' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/20/2[2]
Lease dated 10 February 1470/1, ' By Brian Thornhill and John, his son,
to the prior and convent of Holy Trinity, York ' [A2A, Yorkshire
Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection,
DD12/II/3/9/23[2]]
Will of John Thornhill of Fixby, dated 1476:
' Making Elizabeth, his wife, residuary legatee and executor.
Certificate of probate at York.' [Publication Note: Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds Vol. iii no. 127] - A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/3/1/8 & 9[2]
Affidavit of Richard Wilkinson, formerly parish priest of Eland, dated
1 June 1484:
' That when he administered the sacraments to John Thornhill, son
and heir of Bryan Thornhill, before his death, the said John said that
his wife Elizabeth had a feoffment of 4 marks and that after Bryan's
death, if John died first, she would have a rent of 4 marks in Fixby,
to which Bryan assented and John charged his son William Thornhill not
to hurt or vex his mother in this.' [Publication Note: Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol iii no. 120] - A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/3/1/7[2]
Spouse: Elizabeth Mirfield
Father: Robert Mirfield
Marr: bef 1459[2]
Children: William (<1468-1500)
1.1.1 William Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef Mar 1468[1]
Death: 9 Apr 1500[2]
of Fixby and Toothill, co .Yorks.
named in Affidavit of Richard Wilkinson, formerly parish priest of
Eland, dated 1 June 1484, concerning certain rights of his mother
bequeathed by his father, who ' charged his son William Thornhill not
to hurt or vex his mother in this.' [Publication Note: Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol iii no. 120] - A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/3/1/7[2]
he d. 9 April 1500, following which there was an indenture concerning
the guardianship of his minor children.
Copy of an indenture, dated 10 July (ca.) 1500:
' Between Nicholas Leventhorp, an executor of the will of William
Thornhill, and Elizabeth Thornhill, the said William's widow, making
him guardian of John, Jane and Cecily, children of the marriage. '
[Publication Note: Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds
Vol. iv no. 211] - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/4[2]
' William de [sic] Thornhill, of Fixby and Toothill, heir to his
grandfather, at whose death he was aged 16. He died 9 April,
1500, inq. p. m. 12 June, 15 Hen. 7. = 1) Jennet, daughter of
John Ditton, 1st wife. = 2) Elizabeth, survived her husband. '
[pedigree of Thornhill, of Fixby and Riddlesworth: Foster's
Yorkshire Pedigrees[1]]
IPM dated 12 June, 15 Hen. 7 [ 1500 ][2]
Spouse: Elizabeth
Children: John (<1494-1529)
Jane
Cecily
1.1.1.1 John Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 9 Apr 1494[2]
Death: 3 Apr 1529[2]
Esq., of Fixby and Toothill, co. Yorks.
Nicholas Leventhorp was made his guardian under an indenture his mother
Elizabeth Thornhill, dated 10 July (ca.) 1500 [A2A, Yorkshire
Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection,
DD12/II/23/4[2]]
marriage contract dated 16 January 1501:
' Between Nicholas Leventhorp and Nicholas Sayvell of Eland for the
marriage of John, son and heir of the late William Thornhill, with
Janet Sayvill, daughter of the said Nicholas.' - A2A, West Yorkshire
Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of
Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/5[2]
Conditional demise dated 7 February 1501:
' Of the Sheepcot in Fixby by Nicholas Leventhorp and Robert
Leventhorp, feoffees of Brian Thornhill, for the use of William
Thornhill, his grandson, to John Savile and Thomas Savile, sons of
Nicholas Savile, for the purposes of the marriage contract.'
[Publication Note: Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds
Vol. iv no. 213] - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/7/2
Lease dated 4 Oct 1511:
' By John Thornhill of Fyxbye, esquire, to Nicholas Brodeley for 80
years of a close in Lyghtclyf in Hipperholme called the Almundeade at
an annual rent of 10s.' - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/1/11[2]
pardon dated 3 May 1525:
' Pardon of outlawry to John Thornhill of Fyxby, who has surrendered
in the Fleet prison, after being put in exigent and outlawed for
non-appearance to answer Robert Wauterton, knight, in the Common
Pleas, for a debt of 5001.' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society:
Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/3/10[2]
identified as father of John Thornhill, the father of Bryan Thornhill,
in Declaration of John Waterhouse dated 12 Apr 1574:
' That for 70 years, when his father John Waterhouse was farmer of
the rectory of Halifax, Brian Thornhill, John Thornhill, his father,
and John Thornhill, his grandfather, have paid 10s. yearly for
tithes.' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill
of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/4/18/2
cf. Foster I: pedigree of Thornhill of Fixby[1]
Foster I: pedigree of Savile, Earl of Mexborough[1]
Spouse: Janet Savile
Father: Nicholas Savile (-<1527)
Mother: Margery Wilkinson
Marr: aft 16 Jan 1501[2]
Children: John (<1513-1567)
Thomas
Richard
Bryan
Alice
Ellen
1.1.1.1.1 John Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 3 Apr 1513[2]
Death: 26 Apr 1567[2]
of Fixby and Toothill, co. Yorks.
Award dated before 26 Jan 1534:
' Of Hugh Lacy and others, arbitrators between John Thornhill of Fixby
and Joan, his mother, widow of John Thornhill of Fixby, with documents
witnessing to its being carried out.' [ A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological
Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/10[2]]
~ note: Hugh Lacy of Brearley was husband of Agnes Savile, sister of
Joan (Janet) and aunt of John Thornhill.
Bond dated 26 January 1534:
' Of John Thornhill to observe the award.' [Publication Note:
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds Vol. vi no. 245]
- A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/23/10/(2)[2]
Grant dated 27 February 1534:
' By John Thornhill to his mother Joan for life of the manor of
Totehyll with £4 annual rent in Fixby (in accordance with the terms
of the award).' [Publication Note: Yorkshire Archaeological Society
Yorkshire Deeds Vol. vi no. 246] - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological
Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/10/(3)[2]
_________________________
Bond dated 24 January 1544:
' Of William Ramesden late of Longlay co. York, yeoman, to John
Thornhill late of Fixby and Thomas Thornhill and Nicholas Thornhill,
two of his sons, in £50.
William Ramesden is obliged to give John Thornhill and Thomas and
Nicholas, two of his younger sons, a good estate in the tithes of
Bradlay...... in exchange for the 16s. 8d. therefor paid annually to
the King. (Endorsement in English.). ' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological
Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/1/21(f)[2]
identified as son of John Thornhill, and father of Bryan Thornhill, in
Declaration of John Waterhouse dated 12 Apr 1574:
' That for 70 years, when his father John Waterhouse was farmer of
the rectory of Halifax, Brian Thornhill, John Thornhill, his father,
and John Thornhill, his grandfather, have paid 10s. yearly for
tithes.' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill
of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/4/18/2[2]
Will of John Thornhill of Fixby, dated 22 April 1567:
' John Thornhill, a younger son, to have Nettilton Hall,
Huddersfield, and pay Richard, another son, 40s. a year.
Bryan Thornhill, his eldest son, to have the lands purchased of
Robt. Longwodde.
William, another son, to have Linley Cotes, Fixby, and 40s. a year.
Henry Grice, William Gascoigne, the testator's brother in law,
Thomas Thornhill, his brother, and Roger Raynie, his son in law, to
have his chief messuage etc. called Tutell now occupied by Jennet
Thornhill, his mother, for the endowing of his daughters Catherine,
Cecily and Anne.
Legacy to Elizabeth, his wife.
Codicils dated 24 April and 25 April.
Legacies to the children of Thomas Thornhill and the members of the
Clayton family, his nephews and nieces.
Probate, 19 July 1567.
Inventory of goods and chattels. [A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological
Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/14[2]]
Spouse: Elizabeth Grice
Children: Bryan (-1598)
John (-1607)
Cecily (-<1601)
Katherine
Thomas
Nicholas
Elizabeth
Richard
William
1.1.1.1.1.1 Bryan Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Death: 28 Oct 1598, d.s.p.[1]
Esq., of Fixby, co. Yorks.
Declaration of John Waterhouse dated 12 Apr 1574:
' That for 70 years, when his father John Waterhouse was farmer of
the rectory of Halifax, Brian Thornhill, John Thornhill, his father,
and John Thornhill, his grandfather, have paid 10s. yearly for
tithes.' - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill
of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/4/18/2[2]
' Brian Thornhill of Fixby ', guardian together with Henry Farrar of
the Ewood and others of the heirs of John Wilkinson of Eland, under
his will, proved at York, 1588:
' Will of John Wilkinson of Elland co. York:
His daughters Frances and Elizabeth are left to the guardianship of
Brian Thornhill of Fixby, Henry Farrar of the Ewewodd, John Thornhill
of Totehill and the testator's brother in law Henry Smyth, son of John
Smyth the elder of Elland.
Legacies to his bastard daughter Grace Wilkinson, his uncle John
Wilkinson of Bancke and others.' [A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/1/19[2]]
1.1.1.1.1.2 John Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Death: 1607[1]
of Toothill, co. Yorks.
Will of John Thornhill of Fixby, dated 22 April 1567, provided that
he, ' John Thornhill, a younger son, [was] to have Nettilton Hall,
Huddersfield, and pay Richard, another son, 40s. a year.' [A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/23/14[2]]
heir of his brother Brian
' John Thornhill of Totehill ', guardian together with his brother
Brian and Henry Farrar of the Ewood and others of the heirs of John
Wilkinson of Eland, under his will, proved at York, 1588 [A2A, West
Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke
Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/1/19[2]]
Spouse: Jane Marsh
Children: John (-<1614)
Richard
Thomas (-1661)
1.1.1.1.1.3 Cecily Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 13 May 1601[3]
Burial: 13 May 1601, Eland, co. Yorks.[3]
2nd wife
will of Cicilie Gledhill, widow, of Barkisland, late wife of John
Gledhill (nuncupative), dated 19 Apr 1601, proved 22 Apr 1602[3]
cf. Hugh Kendall[3]
Spouse: John Gledhill
Death: bef 31 Dec 1594, date will proved[3]
Father: Thomas Gledhill (-<1565)
Mother: Jane Savile
Children: Judith
Elizabeth
Jane
Dorothy
John
1.1.1.1.1.4 Katherine Thornhill
----------------------------------------
' ..... married to Mr.Langdale. ' [Foster I: pedigree of Thornhill of
Fixby and Riddlesworth[1]]
Bill of Acquittance, dated 22 Jan. 10 Eliz. 1 (1568):
' 1. Thos. Langdell of Nether Ellington, Yorks. & Katherine his wife,
dau. of John Thornhill Esq. of Fixby dec'd.
2. Bryan Thornhill of Fixby, Yorks. gent.
£7.6.8 Due to Katharyn from the Will of John Thornhill dec'd.'
- A2A, Cambridgeshire County Record Office, Huntingdon: Thornhill
Collection, 148/4/109[2]
Spouse: Thomas Langdale
1.1.1.1.1.5 Thomas Thornhill
----------------------------------------
named in Bond dated 24 January 1544, ' Of William Ramesden late of
Longlay co. York, yeoman, to John Thornhill late of Fixby and Thomas
Thornhill and Nicholas Thornhill, two of his sons, in £50.' - A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/1/21(f)[2]
1.1.1.1.1.6 Nicholas Thornhill
----------------------------------------
named in Bond dated 24 January 1544, ' Of William Ramesden late of
Longlay co. York, yeoman, to John Thornhill late of Fixby and Thomas
Thornhill and Nicholas Thornhill, two of his sons, in £50.' - A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/1/21(f)[2]
1.1.1.1.1.7 Elizabeth Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Contract dated 18 May 1560:
' Between Roger Rayne of Smethelay and John Thornhill of Fixby for
the marriage (before Midsummer next) of the said Roger with Elizabeth
Thornhill, daughter of the said John. '
With subsidiary documents. - A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society:
Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/13[2]
Bond dated 18 May 1560:
' Of Roger Rayne in £100 to perform his covenants.' - A2A, Yorkshire
Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection,
DD12/II/23/13/(1)[2]
Spouse: Roger Rayne
Marr: aft 18 May 1560[2]
1.1.1.1.1.8 Richard Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Will of John Thornhill of Fixby, dated 22 April 1567 provided that his
elder brother ' John Thornhill, a younger son, to have Nettilton Hall,
Huddersfield, and pay Richard, another son, 40s. a year.' [A2A,
Yorkshire Archaeological Society: Clarke Thornhill of Fixby
Collection, DD12/II/23/14[2]]
1.1.1.1.1.9 William Thornhill
----------------------------------------
Will of John Thornhill of Fixby, dated 22 April 1567 provided for his
brothers, and for ' William, another son, to have Linley Cotes,
Fixby, and 40s. a year.' [A2A, Yorkshire Archaeological Society:
Clarke Thornhill of Fixby Collection, DD12/II/23/14[2]]
SOURCES
1. "Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire," compiled by Joseph
Foster, London: W. Wilfred Head, 1874 (2 Vols.).
2. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
3. Hugh P. Kendall, "Barkisland Hall and the Family of Gledhill,"
Halifax Antiquarian Society, 1922, text courtesy Gledhill Genealogy
webpage, http://members.ozemail.com.au/~gledhill/barkisla.htm
* John P. Ravilious
Peter Stewart
will, but I'm sure that your post below and the generosity behind it are
models of what SGM can & should be about.
Peter Stewart
<The...@aol.com> wrote in message news:d5.30b6bcb...@aol.com...
Tony Ingham
I haven't begun to read John's mailing as yet, but I too thank him for
his prompt and thorough answer to my earlier query.
More's the pity that another on the list could not be as generous with
his data and time.
All the best,
Tony Ingham.
The...@aol.com
Dear Tony,
Thanks for your kind words, and for the return of your Thornhill
information this morning.
The conflict re: the placement of Joan Catton/Calton, and of
Barbara Hopton, in the pedigree is an interesting one. It is
clear that William Thornhill had a wife/widow Joan at his death in
1443, as your extract (DD12/II/3/9/17 Part) shows below. ** I assume
where you wrote that you show "Joan de Catton as the mother of
William the father, rather than Bryan the son" that you meant "WIFE
of William the father" - the pedigree is complicated enough
already...........;) **
We can identify this Joan as Joan Catton (or de Calton), daughter
of John de Catton, as evidenced by the following extracts. These
also show that Richard Thornhill, at least, was her son.
from A2A, Cambridgeshire County Record Office, Huntingdon: Thornhill
Collection: http://www.a2a.org.uk
Reference: 148/2/1030
Lease for lives of 2, dated 20 May 15 Edw III (1342)
1. John de Caton of York, Fisherman.
2. Stephen Lyster & Agnes his wife, yeo.
Customary payment which descended from Alice de Caton, mother of
John in Acastre Malbyss L
Reference: 148/2/1031
Lease for lives of 2, dated 51 Edward III (1358)
1. John de Caton of York, fisherman.
2. Stephen Lyster of York, yeoman & Agnes his wife.
Toft & apps. left by Alice de Caton, mother of John.
Reference: 148/2/1032
Feoffment dated 24 Henry VI (1466)
1. Joan Thornhyll, wife of William Thornhill
2. Richard Thornhyll her son.
One toft left by John de Caton her father in town of Acastre
Maltbye.
I do not as yet see an affirmative statement that Joan Catton was
the mother of Brian Thornhill, but it certainly is a possibility: it is
of course also possible that Brian was the son (or one of the sons) of
an earlier wife of William Thornhill. There is some slight evidence of
Brian being the son of Joan Catton, as Brian's great-grandson John held
at least a messuage in Catton in 1514, as shown in the following
grant:
1514 West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
DD12/II/23/9
Creation dates: 4 May 1514
Grant by John Thornhill of Fixby to Ralph Beston and others of his
manors of Fixby, Hypperhome and Toytthill and all his messuages etc. in
those places, Rastrik, Clyfton, Old Lynley, Catton, Cold Conyston,
Bradford and Byngley, in accordance with an agreement made between the
grantor and Thomas Cryce [sic].
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds Vol. iv no. 214
I will see what else I can find re: the Hopton connection, as this
may yet resolve the matter (or part of it).
The Barlee connection is new to me, but I will see what I can find
in this regard as well. Identifying Elizabeth, wife of William
Thornhill (d. 1500) and John Barlee, would certainly be a nice step
(I would hazard she was a Chaunci, but that is a bit premature).
Cheers,
John
============================
Subj: Re: Thornhill of Fixby and Armytage of Kirklees: descents from
Edward I
Date: 9/17/2005 9:20:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: nugg...@hotkey.net.au (Tony Ingham)
Hello John,
Thank you for your prompt reply to my mailing.
Hope you dont mind but what I have done is use your data as a template,
inserting my own data. There is a very good reason for this. I am a
painfully slow typist, two fingered and multi errored.
You will notice some additional info. at the end of the data which is
precisely why I was drawn to this family in the first place.
The Barlees are my most interesting ancestors.
I will mail you by separate post a copy of William Thornhill's will,
which I hope will be of interest to you.
Interestingly I have Joan de Catton as the mother of William the father,
rather than Bryan the son. But I do have Bryan's wife as Barbara HOPTON
(in brackets). The brackets signify extreme uncertainty.
Thanks once again. We will have to sort out our differences.
Regards,
Tony Ingham
1 *Brian Thornhill*
------------------
Death: Bef. 4 Apr 1484
Father: William Thornhill ( -1443/4)
Mother: Joan de Catton
Esq., of Fixby and Toothill, co .Yorks.
1437/8 West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
DD12/II/20/3
Grant by Joan Alexaundre to Brian Thornhill of Fixby of all her lands
etc. in Rastrick.
1 January 16 Henry VI. 1 Jan 1437/8
1443/4 West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
DD12/II/3/9/17 Part
Grant by Joan, late wife of William Thornhill, for her life, to John
Lacy and Brian Thornhill, son and heir of William, of specified lands in
Fykesby which formed her dower on the death of her husband. 16 January
1443/4.
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol. iii no. 119
Abt. 1448 West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological
Society DD12/II/3/9/19
Grant by Robert Thornhill, son of the late William Thornhill, to Brian
Thornhill in tail of the messuage called Lyghtrygh with successive
remainders in tail to Richard, Robert and Laurence Thornhill and
reversion to the right heirs of the late William Thornhill.
The Eve of St. Peter's Chains c 1448
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol. iii no. 122
1456 West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
DD12/II/3/9/17 Part
Grant by Brian Thornhyll to John Lister, chaplain, and others of all his
manors etc. in Fekesby, Rastryk, Hiperom, Northowrum, Linley and
elsewhere in Yorkshire. 4 May 1456.
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds vol. iii no. 121
<<<<<<<<<<< SNIP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for those kind words. I have found much benefit from what
others at SGM have shared over the years, and whatever I can contribute
in return, I'm happy to do so.
I just pray I never find that elusive relationship to Paris
Hilton .....
Cheers,
John
Merilyn Pedrick
always been struck by John's charming, professional and generous
contributions. A good bloke!
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia
-------Original Message-------
From: Peter Stewart
Date: 09/17/05 15:39:23
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thornhill of Fixby and Armytage of Kirklees: descents from
Edward I
Tony Ingham
Sorry for the error. I meant that Joan de Catton was the _wife_ of
William the father rather than Bryan the son.
Whether she was the mother of Bryan is open to conjecture. As you say
she is certainly mother of Richard and subsequently the rest of the sons
at least.
One problem that confounds me is how that Joan can become wife of Bryan,
as if by default. See below.
>1 Brian Thornhill
>----------------------------------------
>Death: Mar 1484[1]
>Father: William Thornhill (-1443)
>Mother: Barbara Hopton
>
>SNIP SNIP
>
>Spouse: Jennet Calton
>Father: John Calton
>Marr: 1408[1]
>
>Children: John (-<1484)
> Diones
>
>
>
The dates quoted by the Cambridgeshire Record Office at Huntington are
pretty awful.
20 May 15 Edward III. = 20 May 1341.
51 Edward III. = 25 Jan 1376/7 - 21 Jun 1377.
24 Henry VI. = 1 Sep 1445 - 30 Aug 1446.
Bit unusual that! Most of the Record Offices are right on top of these
things. There is a great little program called CALISTO which is the way
to go with dates.
The name of Barbara Hapton comes from all the entries I found on Google
with a "Brian Thornhill" search. No source material, but name her father
as Richard Hapton of Swillington. Another Google search of Hapton
Swillington gave nothing more.
I'm O.K. with the John Barlee - Elizabth, widow of William Thornhill
marriage thanks. Through lack of information to the contrary I assume
that she died soon thereafter, since Margaret POYNTZ is touted to be the
mother of John Barlee's heir, also John Barlee, born prior to 1512.
You will notice the Leventhorpe family involved with the Thornhills in
the early 15th century. The reason for this is that Margaret de Totehill
was married firstly to William de Riley (d. 1362).
> West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale KM/68
> Creation dates: 13th Jan 1362
> Defeasance of an obligation from Adam de Wytewod, Richard de
> Hertesheued, and John son of Constance del Clay of Eland to William de
> Riley, to render accompt of £20 received for purposes of trading.
>
> West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
> DD12/II/2/L.2
> Creation dates: Easter Day, 1362
> Release by Margaret, late wife of William Riley, to William
> Lyghteriche of all her right in three meadows and woods which he had
> by exchange from her late husband.
> Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds Vol iii no. 106
Thus: Katherine de Riley the wife of John de Leventhorpe ( who came
south with Henry de Bolingbroke and ably served the early Lancastrian
kings) was the 'sister' of William de Thornhill.
> West Yorkshire Archive Service, Yorkshire Archaeological Society
> DD12/II/20/2
> Creation dates: 15th century
> Certificate of Thomas Stranger, parish priest of Elland, witnessing
> that Katherine, wife of John Leventhorpp, disclosed to him at
> Schingildhall her consent to the settlement by her husband of the
> manor of Toothill (Tuthill) on her brother William Thornhill and his
> heirs of his body.
> Memorandum of sale by John de Leventhorp to William Thornhill of
> his tenements in Toothill for £80.
> Yorkshire Archaeological Society Yorkshire Deeds Vol. iii no. 283.
All the best,
Tony Ingham
Tony Ingham
Not all the gang, only three.
Must admit he seems to be a bit gob-smacked. He hasn't replied to my
last mail yet!!!
Really glad to see you were able to work out that we are all Aussies.
Tony Ingham
John Brandon wrote:
>"Merilyn Pedrick" wrote:
>
>
>>As a Gen-Med subscriber I would like to echo Peter's sentiments. I have
>>always been struck by John's charming, professional and generous
>>contributions. A good bloke!
>>Merilyn Pedrick
>>Aldgate, South Australia
>>
>>
>
>How dismaying to find oneself praised up by the 'Aussie gang'!
>
>
>
>
The...@aol.com
Dear Tony,
I was hoping to go through my notes re: any Hapton/Hopton documentation,
but did not have a chance. Given the Catton marriage error, one wonders at
what generation this marriage in fact occurred.....
I had noted the Riley/Leventhorp link, which the A2A site (Clarke
Thornhill I think) documents rather well. Still surprising sometimes when the
Foster pedigrees are found to be accurate (although this is not a continuous
result, to be sure).
Hopefully will be able to have a reasonable fossick around mid-week, and
will let you know what I do (or do not) find. Meanwhile, happy hunting in OZ.
Cheers,
John
Leo van de Pas
_the_ John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ingham" <nugg...@hotkey.net.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Thornhill of Fixby and Armytage of Kirklees: descents from
Edward I
Merilyn Pedrick
isn't dismayed.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
Peter Stewart
"John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127253087.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> "Leo van de Pas" wrote:
>> I think the wrong John jumped on to the bandwagon. John Ravilious is the
>> _the_ John.
>
>
> endure ....
Leo's message was in reply to one from Tony Ingham.
If a gadfly aspires to become a wasp, the first requirement is to get the
aim right before trying to sting.
Peter Stewart
David Hepworth
intensely busy work period that's kept me away. Sir George Armytage
(he of the Harleian Society), compiled a full genealogy of the Armytage
descent from Edward - I can't recall if he published it as a Harleian
volume or if it's in his personal notes here at Kirklees. I'll take a
look and report back. When I locate it, I'll post all the details,
though I'm afraid it will be in "raw" form as I don't have the time at
the moment to locate all the supporting documents. Generally speaking,
though, because of Sir George's commitments to genealogy and the
Harleian, his work tends to be as accurate as was possible in the early
20th century.
Best wishes
David