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Genealogics: Giving some background to Charles Fleetwood

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WJhonson

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Oct 6, 2007, 3:47:38 AM10/6/07
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On Leo's great site here
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00298530&tree=LEO
we see that Charles Fleetwood who married as her second husband Bridget Cromwell b 1624 daughter of Oliver, the Lord Protector.

Leo doesn't have anything more on this most outstanding fellow, however in my mousing about here and there I happened to land flat on him and wondered who he was. It turns out he has a DNB from which I extract following.

Will Johnson

http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=6892&path=Finch+-+Gloucester.Dictionary+Of+National+Biography.FLE.1&sid=&gskw=charles+fleetwood&cr=1
DNB, "Fleetwood, Charles (d 1692)"
from which I extract some snippets:
1. third son of Sir Miles Fleetwood of Aldwinkle, Northamptonshire and of Anne daughter of Nicholas Luke of Woodend, Bedforshire
2 Sir Miles was Receiver of the Court of Wards and died in 1641
3 His (Miles) eldest son Sir William (b 1603), who succeeded to his father's estates...died in 1674
4 George the second son [of Miles] sought his fortune in the service of Sweden
5 Charles who appears to have been much younger than his brothers was left an annuity by his father of 60L
6 He was admitted to Gray's Inn 1638
7 In May 1644 he was made receiver of the court of wards
8 Appointed 1649, [joint] governor of the Isle of Wight
9 His first wife Frances Smith, daughter of Thomas Smith of Wiston, Norfolk; was buried at St Anne's, Blackfriars 24 Nov 1651
10 "If a Protector were to be chosen [after Cromwell's death] other than one of Cromwell's sons, no one had stronger claims than Fleetwood."
11 Bridget Fleetwood, was buried at St Anne's, Blackfriars, 1 July 1662. Eighteen months later, 14 Jan 1663-4, Fleetwood married Dame Mary Hartopp, daughter of Sir John Coke of Melbourne, Derbyshire, and widow of Sir Edward Hartopp, bart
12 "From the date of his third marriage he resided at Stoke Newington, in a house belonging to his wife..."
13 His third wife died on 17 Dec 1684, himself on 4 Oct 1692. Both buried in Bunhill Fields cemetery.
- courtesy of Will Johnson, wjho...@aol.com, Professional Genealogist, extracted from the original page image on ancestry.com

WJhonson

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Oct 6, 2007, 3:54:57 AM10/6/07
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Thank you Will for your excellent post. I fear your fat fingers were too slippery from stuffing your face with potato chips (or crisps in England) and you posted before you were through for you've left off two most excellent bullets points from that DNB article towit :

14 By his first wife, Frances Smith he had (1) Smith Fleetwood (1644-1709), who married Mary, daughter of Sir Edward Hartopp, their descendents became extinct in 1764; (2) Elizabeth, married Sir John Hartopp, third baronet, from whom the existing Cradock-Hartopp family is descended.
15 By Bridget Cromwell, Fleetwood was the father of (1) Cromwell Fleetwood, born about 1653, married in 1679 Elizabeth Nevill of Little Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire; administration of his goods was granted in Sep 1688; he seems to have died without issue. (2) Anne Fleetwood, buried in Westminster Abbey, and exhumed at the Restoration; (3) Mary, who married Nathaniel Carter (21 Feb 1678), and other children, most of whom died young, and none of whom left issue.

gvo...@talktalk.net

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Oct 8, 2007, 3:48:44 PM10/8/07
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> - courtesy of Will Johnson, wjhon...@aol.com, Professional Genealogist, extracted from the original page image on ancestry.com

Cromwell Fleetwood was indeed dsp. He left a notable cabinet to his
wife Elizabeth Neville who was the only daughter of George Neville and
his wife Elizabeth Trotter, she supposedly daughter of Sir Henry
Trotter and his wife Catherine Wytham from Skelton Castle in Yorks.
George Neville was b c 1622 in Essex and was 'a lawyer by profession
of Stapley Inn in London, of eminent skill in his business' according
to William Holman, in the Essex historian's original notes from around
the 1720s, now in the Essex Record Office. George Neville did indeed
move to Berkhampsted where he died in 1685. He was the eldest son of
Richard Neville and his wife Mary Simson who married around 1620 in
Halsted in Essex. Their other son John had a daughter Sarah who
married Thomas Burkitt in Shoreditch in London in 1683. Her cousin
Elizabeth left her the 'Fleetwood Cabinet' in her will and it passed
down through three generations of Burkitts before ending up in the
National Museum of Ireland. There is an article about this in the
Gentleman's Mag, unfortunately the reference in deep in my notes.
Richard Neville was, according to Holman, the only son of John Neville
and Margery Walford who married at Shalford in Essex in 1571.
John was the son of Thomas Neville and his wife Elizabeth and he was
the son of Thomas Neville and Mary Tey. The elder Thomas was the third
son of Sir Richard Neville, second Lord Latimer.
cp has both Thomas but does not give any descendants.

So Richard Neville m Anne Stafford

son Thomas m Mary Tey (thus far is well documented)

son Thomas m Elizabeth (his wife from feet of fines ERO)

son John m Margery Walford (only from Holman's account and parish
records)

son Richard d 1625 m Mary Simson

sons George and John

George, c 1622-1685 m Elizabeth Trotter

daughter Elizabeth m Cromwell Fleetwood

George's brother John m Jane Wade

daughter Sarah m Thomas Burkitt in 1683

Has anyone else come across this cadet branch of Latimer Nevilles?

Geoff V

wjhonson

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Nov 1, 2007, 4:45:19 PM11/1/07
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A post by qsj5 did not make it to soc-gen-med for some reason (and gen-
med keeps bouncing my messages and returning them blank which is very
annoying), so I'm posting direct to google groups.

Subj: Re: Genealogics: Giving some background to Charles Fleetwood
Date: 10/31/2007 6:30:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: WJhonson
To: GEN-ME...@rootsweb.com

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:13:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
qs...@yahoo.com writes:

<< sir Miles Fleetwood, of Ardwinkle (baptized 1576, d
?1640?, or ?1641), owner of Ardwinkle or Aldwinkle;
knighted 1602, also some sort of high treasurer in the
administration of England, Receiver of the Court of
Wards, Member of Parliament; married c 1598 Anne Luke,
of Woodend (b 1578-?), herself daughter of sir
Nicholas Luke, of Woodend, and his wife lady Anne
St.John, of Bletsoe (of the house of later Earls of
Bolingbroke).
Their children included: >>
---------------------------------------------

That Miss St John's given name was "Margaret", not Anne

http://books.google.com/books?id=qM0KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA363
"1597 Margaret wife of Nicholas Luke esq bur'd 12 June"


Will Johnson


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