GRUFFYDD AP MADOC, LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 1269
Richard Cochran
Has anyone encountered information about the family of GRUFFYDD AP MADOC,
LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
Glyndwrdwy.
Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
Thank you!
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Ed Mann
GE>Has anyone encountered information about the family of GRUFFYDD AP MADOC,
GE>LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
GE>Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
GE>d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerages, 1883 (1996 reprint) shows (p. 15)
that Griffin ap Madoc m. Emme de Alditheley.
GE>Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
GE>Glyndwrdwy.
GE>Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
GE>1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerages, 1883 (1996 reprint) shows (p. 63)
that William le Boteler's wife was the "niece of James de Aldithley,"
which would be consistent, but certainly not exclusive evidence.
Angharad, or Ankaret, could be the daughter of a different de Alditheley
sibling.
Richard Borthwick
1283) married after 2 Oct 1261 Angharad (still living 22 Jun 1308), dau. of
Griffith ap Madoc ap Griffith Maelor, lord of Bromfield, Dinas Bran and
Yale, by Emma dau. of Henry Audley of Heleigh.
Stewart Baldwin
Richard Cochran <rcoc...@MONDEC.MONMOUTH.EDU> wrote:
>Has anyone encountered information about the family of GRUFFYDD AP MADOC,
>LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
>Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
>d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
>Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
>Glyndwrdwy.
>Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
>1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
>Thank you!
>****************************************************************************
>* Dr. Richard M. Cochran, Dean of the Library *
>* Monmouth University, West Long Branch, New Jersey 07764 *
>* rcoc...@mondec.monmouth.edu Phone: (908)571-4401 FAX: (908)263-5124 *
>****************************************************************************
Richard Borthwick has already pointed out that the "Boteler" article
in "The Complete Peerage" [CP] has this information. In addition, you
should take a look at the "Tuchet" article in CP, which shows that
Emma, daughter of Henry de Audley, was married twice, first to Henry
Tuchet (d.s.p. shortly before 8 Jan 1241/2), and second to Gruffydd
Maelor II (i.e., Gruffydd ap Madoc, lord of Bromfield).
Stewart Baldwin
Jim Stevens
Richard Cochran <rcoc...@MONDEC.MONMOUTH.EDU> asked:
>Has anyone encountered information about the family of GRUFFYDD AP MADOC,
>LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
>Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
>d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
>
>Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
>Glyndwrdwy.
>
>Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
>1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
I don't have GRUFFYDD AP MADOC in my database, but found reference (I
think) to him in my notes for a Madog who I strongly suspect may have been
his father. Madog's wife [and I presume Gruffyd's mother] was Susannah,
dau. of Gruffudd, King of Gwynnedd and Angharat, dau. of Owain ap Edwin.
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Madog inherited the kingship of Powys upon the death of his father
[Maredudd, King of Powys] in 1132. In 1156, impressed by his power, and
feeling that he needed his assistance in repelling the territorial
ambitions of OWAIN AP GRUFFUDD of Gwynedd, Madog yielded to the authority
of King HENRY II of England. In 1157 he assisted HENRY in his campaign
against OWAIN.
When Madog died in 1160 there was a struggle for succession. In 1149
Madog had allowed his nephews, Owain and Meurig, to rule Cyfieliog as an
appendage to the kingdom according to the custom of those times - never
intending that the area should be separated from the kingdom of Powys. When
Madog's son, Gruffudd, succeeded his father, Owain was able to keep
Cyfieliog and some adjacent areas for himself, leaving only northern Powys
for Gruffudd. This split the kingdom into two resulting in Powys' loss of
generally equal status with the kingdoms of Gwynedd and Deheubarth.
Our line of descent flows through Madog's daughter, MARARED, who married
IOWERETH of Gwynedd and became the mother of LLYWELYN THE GREAT.
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Stewart Baldwin
Jim Stevens <jste...@IQUEST.NET> wrote:
You are missing a couple of generations here. The Madog/Madoc you mention
above was not the father of the Gruffydd ap Madoc mentioned by Richard
Cochran,
but the great grandfather. Your Madoc ap Maredudd was the father of Gruffydd
Maelor I, who was the father of another Madoc, who was the father Gruffydd
Maelor II, lord of Bromfield.
Stewart Baldwin
Glyn Jones
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Richard Cochran <rcoc...@MONDEC.MONMOUTH.EDU> writes:
> Has anyone encountered information about the family of GRUFFYDD AP MADOC,
> LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
> Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
> d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
> Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
> Glyndwrdwy.
> Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
> 1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
Richard
I have Gruffudd ap Madog, Lord of Dinas Bran (died 1269) married to
Emma d.o. James, Lord Audley. He was also Lord of Maelor (Bromfield).
As you say, Gruffudd Fychan was his son and was married to Margaret
f. Gruffudd ap Cadwgan.
I haven't got anything on Angharad but Gruffudd's grandmother was
Angharad f. Owain Gwynedd, so Angharad would be a reasonable expectation.
I think this came from "Pedgrees of Anglesey And Carnarvonshire
Families". Griffith, but not certain. Definitely not from any Royal Database.
Glyn
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> >LORD OF BROMFIELD, d. 7 Dec 1269. Brian Tompsett has him recorded in the
> >Royal Genealogy database. I have it that Gruffydd was married to Emma
> >d'Aldithly (or d'Audley).
> >
> >Tompsett shows the couple's son, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffydd, 1st Lord of
> >Glyndwrdwy.
> >
> >Has anyone run across a DAUGHTER of this couple named ANGHARAD (ca.
> >1240-post 22 Jun 1308) who married William, Baron Botiler (d. 11 Dec 1283)?
>
> think) to him in my notes for a Madog who I strongly suspect may have been
> his father. Madog's wife [and I presume Gruffyd's mother] was Susannah,
> dau. of Gruffudd, King of Gwynnedd and Angharat, dau. of Owain ap Edwin.
>
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Madog inherited the kingship of Powys upon the death of his father
> [Maredudd, King of Powys] in 1132. In 1156, impressed by his power, and
> feeling that he needed his assistance in repelling the territorial
> ambitions of OWAIN AP GRUFFUDD of Gwynedd, Madog yielded to the authority
> of King HENRY II of England. In 1157 he assisted HENRY in his campaign
> against OWAIN.
> When Madog died in 1160 there was a struggle for succession. In 1149
> Madog had allowed his nephews, Owain and Meurig, to rule Cyfieliog as an
> appendage to the kingdom according to the custom of those times - never
> intending that the area should be separated from the kingdom of Powys. When
> Madog's son, Gruffudd, succeeded his father, Owain was able to keep
> Cyfieliog and some adjacent areas for himself, leaving only northern Powys
> for Gruffudd. This split the kingdom into two resulting in Powys' loss of
> generally equal status with the kingdoms of Gwynedd and Deheubarth.
> Our line of descent flows through Madog's daughter, MARARED, who married
> IOWERETH of Gwynedd and became the mother of LLYWELYN THE GREAT.
>
Actually, you have dropped two generations. The Gruffydd ap Madog in
question was son of Madog ap Gruffydd, son of Gruffydd ap Madog (who
married the daughter of Owain Gwynedd), son of the above Madog ap
Maredudd. A convenient skeleton pedigree of these families can be seen
in Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, among the section on the Welsh
Royalty (Obviously, for more detail and complete ancestry go to
Bartrum). His son Gruffydd Fychan was great-grandfather of Glendower
(Glyndwr).
taf