Fitzwilliams of Aldwark, York
Brad Verity
starting with the children of Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam of Aldwark, York,
and his wife Lucy Nevill, daughter and coheiress of John, Marquess of
Montagu.
Sir Thomas died in 1498, and I have rounded up the following children:
1) Thomas Fitzwilliam, suc. his father to Aldwark in 1498, killed at
Flodden Field in 1513. As his brother William did not succeed him, I
assume Thomas married and left issue.
2) John Fitzwilliam, killed with his brother at Flodden field in 1513.
[According to the biography of William, E. of Southampton in HOP]
3) William Fitzwilliam, born about 1490, married in November 1513
(after his two elder brothers were killed) to Mabel, daughter of the
Lord Clifford, but had no issue by her. Died in 1542.
1)? Elizabeth Fitzwilliam, married m1 Sir Thomas Mauleverer and m2 Sir
Nicholas Hervey (from Adrian Channing's newsgroup post in December
1998).
2)? Margaret Fitzwilliam, married Sir William Gascoigne, of Gawthorpe
(from Leo van de Pas's wonderful database).
Were there any other children? Who inherited Aldwark in York after
eldest son Thomas was killed at Flodden in 1513?
Leo (with Paget as source) has the parents of Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam
(d. 1498) as Sir Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark and Wadsworth,
Yorkshire, and Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Clarell of Aldwark.
Presumably this means that Sir Richard inherited Aldwark through his
wife Elizabeth.
So, going back a generation, we have Sir Richard Fitzwilliam of
Aldwark, who died 22 Sept. 1479 (per a newsgroup post by MichaelAnne
Guido in September 2001). He was born about 1415, the son and heir of
Edmund Fitzwilliam and Catherine Clifton, who died 14 March 1435
(according to a newsgroup post by MichaelAnne Guido in December 1999).
He married Elizabeth Clarell, who died 23 April 1503.
Children of Sir Richard Fitzwilliam of Aldwark and Elizabeth Clarell:
1) Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam, born 13 Jan. 1448 (Per Leo's database),
married Lady Lucy Nevill. (see above)
1)? Isabel Fitzwilliam, married 15 Oct. 1460, William Wentworth, of
Wentworth Woodhouse died 8 Jan. 1509. (Per Leo's database)
2)? Catherine Fitzwilliam [named in her mother's will probated June
13, 1503] m. Sir John Skipwith of Oremsby, Lincolnshire d. Jan. 5,
1517/8. (Per MichaelAnne's post of Sept. 2001)
Were there any other children of Sir Richard Fitzwilliam?
I have Elizabeth Clarell, Sir Richard's wife, as a direct female-line
descendant of Edward I:
Edward I
Joan of Acre
Elizabeth de Clare m. Theobald de Verdun, L. Verdun
Isabel Verdun m. Henry de Ferrers, L. Ferrers of Groby
Elizabeth Ferrers m. David Strathbogie, E. of Atholl
Elizabeth Strathbogie m. Sir John le Scrope
Elizabeth le Scrope, d. 8 March 1430, m. 1407, Thomas Clarell, d.
before 15 July 1450 (per MichaelAnne's Sept. 2001 post)*, son of
Thomas Clarell, of Aldwark, will proven 20 June 1442, and Maud
Montgomery, died 1457. (Per Rosie Bevan's post of November 2002).
Elizabeth Clarell, heiress of Aldwark, m. Richard Fitzwilliam
This means that Elizabeth Clarell Fitzwilliam's daughters Isabel
Wentworth and Catherine Skipwith, carried the direct female-to-female
descent from Edward I to their own daughters (if they had any).
Cheers, -----Brad
*There seems to be some uncertainty over when the younger Thomas
Clarell, husband of Elizabeth le Scrope, died. From Rosie's post of
November 2002: "The birth date of Thomas Clarell comes from Foster's
Yorkshire pedigrees, Clarell pedigree. He was b. 1394 (13 1/2 years
of age in 9 Hen 4, 1407; married 9 Hen 4, 1407; died. 6 Feb 1430. On
15 July 1430, administration of his effects was granted to his
mother." Yet on 10 June 1441, Thomas Clarell the elder and Maud his
wife mention their son Thomas in a remainder of a grant of Ulceby
manor. And in July 1455, in a demise of Edmund Fitzwilliam
(presumably the father of Sir Richard Fitzwilliam), mention is made of
"Eliz. wife of John Pillyngton and late wife of Thos. Clarell." This
would have to refer to the widow of the Thomas Clarell who was husband
to Elizabeth le Scrope, as mention is made in the same demise of his
mother Maud also being alive, so his father cannot have remarried.
Either Elizabeth le Scrope survived her husband, remarried John
Pillyngton, and was alive in 1455, or her husband Thomas took a second
wife, also named Elizabeth.
Chris Phillips
Brad Verity wrote:
> I'm trying to piece together the Fitzwilliams of Aldwark in York,
> starting with the children of Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam of Aldwark, York,
> and his wife Lucy Nevill, daughter and coheiress of John, Marquess of
> Montagu.
>
> Sir Thomas died in 1498, and I have rounded up the following children:
>
> 1) Thomas Fitzwilliam, suc. his father to Aldwark in 1498, killed at
> Flodden Field in 1513. As his brother William did not succeed him, I
> assume Thomas married and left issue.
A while ago Barbarann K. Ayars kindly transcribed a large Foljambe pedigree
from Joseph Foster, Pedigrees of the county families of Yorkshire, vol.1
(London, 1874), to be put on my website. The Foljambe part is at:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/foljambe/foljambe.shtml
and an associated extract from the Fitzwilliam pedigree is at:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/foljambe/fitzwilliam.shtml
Considering its age, it needs to be treated with caution (particularly the
early parts which clearly look legendary), but parts of it look quite well
documented, and it may contain some relevant information. Generally the
Fitzwilliam part is a lot less complete than what you have, but it lists the
children of Thomas (k. 1513) as:
WILLIAM FITZWILLIAM, died young.
ALICE, married Sir James Foljambe.
MARGARET, married Godfrey Foljambe.
(These two Foljambes are on the main chart, according to which Elizabeth
Clarell also had some Foljambe blood.)
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@aol.com
This part of Yorkshire (north of Rotherham) is littered with FitzWilliam
tombs, the common ancestor seems to be John (1327-1385) who founded a chantry at
Sprotburgh. In the past, I have tried to see where the John FitzWilliam and
his wife Amicia whose tomb dated 1470 is in the church of Adwick-le-Streert (a
different place to Aldwark) fits in.
There was a very good web site given details the FitzWilliams of Aldwark, but
I just cannot find it now - I think it also had quite a lot on the Fuljambe
family, but it does not show under a google search. I could have sworn I
downloaded a copy, but it seems to have gone.
Anyway here are a few observations:
1) Thomas Fitzwilliam, suc. his father to Aldwark in 1498, killed at
Flodden Field in 1513. As his brother William did not succeed him, I
assume Thomas married and left issue.
In CP he his shown as m Agnes d of Sir Hugh Pagenham. His Will is dated 28
Aug 1513. She m2 Sir William Syndey {Vis of York: and their dau Ann m Sir
William FitzWilliam (1526-1599) treasurer of Ireland.) Thomas and Anne left
William and John, both died young, and two daughters: Alice m Sir James Fuljambe
eldest son of Sir George Fuljambe (1472-1541) of Walton Derbs by Catherine dau
of Sir John Leake of Sutton-in-le-Dale, Derbs. Their son Sir James (Walton
1510/11-26 Sep 1558) of Walton and of _Aldwark_ m1 Alice FitzWilliam and m2
Constance (-1600) dau of Sir Edward Littleton of Pillaton BUT as this has two
generations of Sir James Fuljambes marrying Alice FitzWilliam, I wonder if CP has
erred. The other daughter of Thomas FitzWilliam and Agnes Pagenham was
Margaret who married Godfrey Fuljambe (whom I imagine is a brother or close relation
to Margaret's sisters spouse, I don't have any issue for them)
So the above shows what happened to Aldwark. The whole village is now a
steel works, and impossible to get into. There is a church, or chapel marked on
the map, but I don't know if there is of anything of interest therein.
2) John Fitzwilliam, killed with his brother at Flodden field in 1513.
Yes, often omitted in pedigrees. I think he was unmarried and no issue is
mentioned in his brother William's Will
3) William Fitzwilliam Er Southampton
I guess you have sufficient information on him. He did have an illegitimate
son Thomas FitzWilliam alias Fysher mentioned in his ipm. Don't know where
William was buried. His will requested burial in Midhurst (He built or rebuilt
Cowdray House, Midhurst, Sussex) if he died within 100 miles, but he died in
Newcatle-upon-Tyne. His half brother Sir Anthony Browne, took his body to St
Nicholas' Church there (now the Cathedral), but there seems to be no record of
his burial.
1)? Elizabeth Fitzwilliam, married m1 Sir Thomas Mauleverer and m2 Sir
Nicholas Hervey (from Adrian Channing's newsgroup post in December
1998).
2)? Margaret Fitzwilliam, married Sir William Gascoigne, of Gawthorpe
(from Leo van de Pas's wonderful database).
Yes, I have these two and marriages. I had a lot of trouble with Margaret as
various Wills would never use here christian name, always Gascoigne wife of
Sir William Gascoigne, and for a while I thought she was a half sister, being
daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, but in the end I figured she belonged here.
I have the ancestors as given by you as did the lost Web page - I have a note
that the source was also Joseph Foster's
There may have been another daughter of Richard and Elizabeth Clarell. I
have an Elizabeth dau of Sir Richard FitzWilliam of Aldwark m [her distant
cousin] John son of William FitzWilliam (-1494) by Elizabeth dau of Sir John
Conyers. I think this is from the CP pages on FitzWilliam, but I have not checked it
regards,
Adrian
> I'm trying to piece together the Fitzwilliams of Aldwark in York,
> starting with the children of Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam of Aldwark, York,
> and his wife Lucy Nevill, daughter and coheiress of John, Marquess of
> Montagu.
>
> Sir Thomas died in 1498, and I have rounded up the following children:
>
> 1) Thomas Fitzwilliam, suc. his father to Aldwark in 1498, killed at
> Flodden Field in 1513. As his brother William did not succeed him, I
> assume Thomas married and left issue.
Brad Verity
Thank you so much for your reply, Adrian. Comments (and some
answers!) interspersed.
> This part of Yorkshire (north of Rotherham) is littered with FitzWilliam
> tombs, the common ancestor seems to be John (1327-1385) who founded a chantry at
> Sprotburgh. In the past, I have tried to see where the John FitzWilliam and
> his wife Amicia whose tomb dated 1470 is in the church of Adwick-le-Streert (a
> different place to Aldwark) fits in.
I'm out of my element here, having only been to York, Scarborough and
Whitby in Yorkshire. Have you found where Wadsworth (apparently the
Fitzwilliam family seat before they acquired Aldwark) is in Yorkshire?
> There was a very good web site given details the FitzWilliams of Aldwark, but
> I just cannot find it now - I think it also had quite a lot on the Fuljambe
> family, but it does not show under a google search. I could have sworn I
> downloaded a copy, but it seems to have gone.
I think its probably the two links Chris Phillips provided in his
post. They have loads of Foljambe information (and a splash of
Fitzwilliam) taken from Foster's 1874 "Pedigrees of the county
families of Yorkshire".
> Anyway here are a few observations:
>
> 1) Thomas Fitzwilliam, suc. his father to Aldwark in 1498, killed at
> Flodden Field in 1513. As his brother William did not succeed him, I
> assume Thomas married and left issue.
> In CP he his shown as m Agnes d of Sir Hugh Pagenham. His Will is dated 28
> Aug 1513.
From Foster (care of Chris Phillips's great site), Thomas was killed
at Flodden age 27, so born about 1486.
Does anyone know who Agnes's mother was, and where her father, Sir
Hugh Pagenham, was seated?
> She m2 Sir William Syndey {Vis of York: and their dau Ann m Sir
> William FitzWilliam (1526-1599) treasurer of Ireland.)
Yes, HOP has a biography of William Fitzwilliam (1526-1599), who was
of Gains Park, Essex, and of Milton, Northants. He and Anne Sidney
had 2 sons and 3 daus.
According to the website
Agnes (aka Anne) Pagenham had six (possibly seven) daughters, as well
as one son and heir, by her second husband Sir William Sidney, of
Penshurst Place, Kent. She died 22 Oct. 1554.
> Thomas and Anne left
> William and John, both died young, and two daughters: Alice m Sir James Fuljambe
> eldest son of Sir George Fuljambe (1472-1541) of Walton Derbs by Catherine dau
> of Sir John Leake of Sutton-in-le-Dale, Derbs. Their son Sir James (Walton
> 1510/11-26 Sep 1558) of Walton and of _Aldwark_ m1 Alice FitzWilliam and m2
> Constance (-1600) dau of Sir Edward Littleton of Pillaton BUT as this has two
> generations of Sir James Fuljambes marrying Alice FitzWilliam, I wonder if CP has
> erred.
CP has erred. According to the Fuljambe link on Chris Phillips's
website:
"Sir JAMES FOLJAMBE, Knt., of Walton, born at Walton, Thursday before
Feast of Epiphany, 1510, was sheriff of Derbyshire in 1556, died 26
Sept., 1558, buried 5 Oct., in the family vault at Chesterfield.
= ALICE, 1st wife, daughter of Thomas Fitzwilliam, of Aldwark, and of
Steeton, co. Ebor. (and granddaughter of Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam, by
Lady Lucy Nevill, daughter and co-heiress of John Nevill, Marquess of
Montagu). She became co-heiress to her brother, William Fitzwilliam,
who died young, and of her uncle, William Fitzwilliam, Earl of
Southampton, K.G., born 1511, mar. 1524, died 1535/6, bd. at
Chesterfield.
= CONSTANCE, 2nd wife, dau. of Sir Edward Littleton, of Pillaton, co.
Stafford, Knt., married 1540, buried 22 July 1600, in the vault at
Chesterfield."
Sir James Foljambe and Alice Fitzwilliam had three sons (Godfrey the
heir, and the twins George and James) and three daughters (Frances,
Lucy, and Mary). But their twin son James died in infancy.
> The other daughter of Thomas FitzWilliam and Agnes Pagenham was
> Margaret who married Godfrey Fuljambe (whom I imagine is a brother or close relation
> to Margaret's sisters spouse, I don't have any issue for them)
They had no issue together, though Godfrey had an illegitimate son.
> So the above shows what happened to Aldwark. The whole village is now a
> steel works, and impossible to get into. There is a church, or chapel marked on
> the map, but I don't know if there is of anything of interest therein.
Aldwark continued in the Foljambe family until at least the reign of
George III, though it passed twice through female descent (in the
first instance, the female heiress married a collateral Foljambe; in
the second, the son of the female heiress assumed the surname of
Foljambe).
> 2) John Fitzwilliam, killed with his brother at Flodden field in 1513.
> Yes, often omitted in pedigrees. I think he was unmarried and no issue is
> mentioned in his brother William's Will
Killed unmarried.
> 3) William Fitzwilliam Er Southampton
> I guess you have sufficient information on him. He did have an illegitimate
> son Thomas FitzWilliam alias Fysher mentioned in his ipm. Don't know where
> William was buried. His will requested burial in Midhurst (He built or rebuilt
> Cowdray House, Midhurst, Sussex) if he died within 100 miles, but he died in
> Newcatle-upon-Tyne. His half brother Sir Anthony Browne, took his body to St
> Nicholas' Church there (now the Cathedral), but there seems to be no record of
> his burial.
From his HOP bio: "In the will which he made on 10 Sept. he had asked
to be buried, if he were to die within 100 miles of Midhurst, in a new
chapel to be built in the church there: the chapel was built, but
without a tomb, so that he was probably buried at Newcastle."
> 1)? Elizabeth Fitzwilliam, married m1 Sir Thomas Mauleverer and m2 Sir
> Nicholas Hervey (from Adrian Channing's newsgroup post in December
> 1998).
> 2)? Margaret Fitzwilliam, married Sir William Gascoigne, of Gawthorpe
> (from Leo van de Pas's wonderful database).
>
> Yes, I have these two and marriages. I had a lot of trouble with Margaret as
> various Wills would never use here christian name, always Gascoigne wife of
> Sir William Gascoigne, and for a while I thought she was a half sister, being
> daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, but in the end I figured she belonged here.
According to the tudorplace website, Margaret Fitzwilliam had seven
children with William Gascoigne, and took one Peter Stanley as her
second husband.
Elizabeth and Margaret are the only daughters listed for Sir Thomas
Fitzwilliam of Aldwark and Lady Lucy Nevill. But in addition to
Thomas, John, and William (future Earl of Southampton), there are
three additional sons: Richard, Anthony and Edmund, but no further
information.
> I have the ancestors as given by you as did the lost Web page - I have a note
> that the source was also Joseph Foster's
>
> There may have been another daughter of Richard and Elizabeth Clarell. I
> have an Elizabeth dau of Sir Richard FitzWilliam of Aldwark m [her distant
> cousin] John son of William FitzWilliam (-1494) by Elizabeth dau of Sir John
> Conyers. I think this is from the CP pages on FitzWilliam, but I have not checked it
There was.
According to an e-mail Douglas Richardson sent me privately, and the
tudorplace website, Sir Richard FitzWilliam and Elizabeth Clarell had
six (or seven) sons and five daughters:
1) Sir Thomas Fitzwilliam, the heir, born 13 Jan. 1448
2) Edmund Fitzwilliam, who married and had a daughter Elizabeth, who
married Thomas Burgh, son of the 3rd Lord Burgh.
3) Richard Fitzwilliam, died 1521.
4) Edward Fitzwilliam
5) George Fitzwilliam
6) Humphrey Fitzwilliam
7) Humphrey Fitzwilliam, clerk (per Douglas - tudorplace website only
lists one Humphrey)
1) Isabel Fitzwilliam, m. William Wentworth
2) Margaret Fitzwilliam, m. Ralph Reresby, who d. 25 July 1505
3) Catherine Fitzwilliam, m. 1st, Thomas Wakerley, m. 2nd, John
Skipwith
4) Anne Fitzwilliam, m. William Mirfield
5) Elizabeth Fitzwilliam, m. 1st, Sir John Wortley, m. 2nd, John
Fitzwilliam of Sprotborough
HOP's bio of William, Earl of Southampton, calls the Fitzwilliams "a
relatively undistinguished Yorkshire family." I have a note among my
papers on the Atholl descendants that Sir Richard Fitzwilliam was High
Sheriff of Yorkshire in the 1460s, which probably aided him in
securing such a distinguished Nevill bride, cousin to the Yorkist
kings, for his son and heir Thomas.
Thanks and Cheers, -----Brad
ADRIANC...@aol.com
Thanks for your informative post, I can only add a little, to the places
involved.
> ADRIANC...@aol.com wrote in message news:
>
> Thank you so much for your reply, Adrian. Comments (and some
> answers!) interspersed.
>
> > This part of Yorkshire (north of Rotherham) is littered with FitzWilliam
> > tombs, the common ancestor seems to be John (1327-1385) who founded a
> chantry at
> > Sprotburgh. In the past, I have tried to see where the John FitzWilliam
> and
> > his wife Amicia whose tomb dated 1470 is in the church of
> Adwick-le-Streert (a
> > different place to Aldwark) fits in.
>
> I'm out of my element here, having only been to York, Scarborough and
> Whitby in Yorkshire. Have you found where Wadsworth (apparently the
> Fitzwilliam family seat before they acquired Aldwark) is in Yorkshire?
>
Yes, Wadsworth is close by, a few miles south of Doncaster and about 3 miles
north of Tickhill where Lucy Nevill, her father John Nevill Mq of Montague and
first husband Thomas FitzWilliam are buried. Lucy's will requested burial in
Bisham abbey (IIRC Surrey) — whether she was buried 1st in Bisham then moved
or buried there directly, I'm not sure - Bisham suffered from the dissolution
of the monasteries which is probably why she is at Tickhill
Another place close-by is Wentworth. There is a chapel at Wentworth called
FitzWilliam chapel, and from looking through the window there are ancient
looking table tombs, but the chapel has always been locked the few times I have
been there.
regards,
Adrian