Ida de Hastings and her daughter, Eleanor de Segrave, wife of Sir Robert Hovel
Douglas Richardson
As part of my ongoing research on Ada of Huntingdon (died c.1242),
wife of Sir Henry de Hastings, I've been researching her sister-in-
law, Ida de Hastings (died 1289), wife successively of Stephen de
Segrave and Hugh Pecche, Knt. In my Magna Carta Ancestry book, I
incorrectly placed Ida and her sister, Maud, as the daughters of Ada
of Huntingdon. This arrangement of the Hastings family tree was done
for chronological reasons chiefly, as Ida de Hastings, Hugh Pecche,
and Gilbert Pecche (husband of Ida's sister, Maud) all outlived Ada of
Huntingdon by over 40 years. This difference in death dates is
normally a good indication that Ida and Maud would belong in the
Hastings family as children of Ada and Sir Henry de Hastings, not as
siblings of Sir Henry de Hastings. However, having gone through a
good number of contemporary records, it is clear now that Ida de
Hastings and her sister, Maud de Hastings (wife of Gilbert Pecche),
were in fact contemporaries of Sir Henry de Hastings (husband of Ada
of Huntingdon), and, that Ida and Maud were Sir Henry's sisters. Sir
Henry de Hastings and his wife, Ada, died in their 30's-40's, whereas
Ida, Hugh, and Gilbert must all have lived into their 70's.
Moreover, I've determined that ida de Hastings had two surviving
children, namely Eleanor de Segrave (wife of Robert Hovel, Knt.) and
Hugh Pecche the younger. Eleanor de Segrave's Hovel descendants are
traced by the book, Suffolk Manorial Families, by Muskett, volume 2,
published in 1908. The Hovel family continued for several generations
and then in short succession all of the family estates were sold. I'm
certain there are modern descendants of the Hovel family, but, due to
the alienation of the family estates, it has been difficult to trace
this family into the modern period. If anyone knows of any links to
modern descendants, I'd appreciate hearing from them here on the
newsgroup.
I've copied below my current file account on Ida de Hastings which
sets forth the evidence that she was the mother of Eleanor de Segrave,
wife of Robert Hovel, Knt. Lastly, I believe that Ida de Hastings'
son and heir, Hugh Pecche, the younger, died without issue, but I have
not yet confirmed that.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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I. Ida de Hastings, wife of Stephen de Segrave and Hugh Pecche, Knt.
and her descendants
IDA DE HASTINGS, married (as his 2nd wife) STEPHEN DE SEGRAVE, of
Segrave, Leicestershire, Penn, Buckinghamshire, etc., Justiciar of
England, Sheriff of cos. Buckingham, Bedford, Worcester, Leicester,
and Northampton, son and heir of Gilbert de Segrave, of Segrave,
Leicestershire. Her maritagium included the manor of Brownsover (in
Clifton-on-Dunsmore), Warwickshire (held by her grandmother, Maud
Banastre, at the end of the 12th Century) and 7-½ virgates in
Normanton le Heath, Leicestershire. They had one daughter, Eleanor.
In 1219 he was going on the king’s affairs to the Legate. He was one
of the king’s proctors in the dispute with Alexander, King of
Scotland. In 1220 he joined in advising King Henry III to make an
agreement with his uncle, King Richard I’s widow, Queen Bérengère. In
1233 he was advising the king on all matters of state. In 1234 the
king reproached him for the commission of the faults with which he had
charged Hubert de Burgh, and ordered him to restore the manors granted
to him for his maintenance as justiciar, together with the castle of
Newcastle-under-Lyme held by his son, Gilbert. STEPHEN DE SEGRAVE
died at Leicester Abbey shortly before 16 October 1241. His widow,
Ida, married (2nd) before 1247 HUGH PECCHE (or PECHE), Knt., of Great
Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Kedington, Suffolk, and, in right of his
wife, of Blunham, Bedfordshire, Alconbury Weston, Huntingdonshire, and
North Piddle, Worcestershire, younger son of Hamon Pecche, of Bourn
and Cheveley, Cambridgeshire, by his wife, Eve. They had one son,
Hugh. In 1242 Thomas de Avenbiry and his wife Alice (widow of Gilbert
de Mynieres) sued him in a plea of one third part of ten librates of
land in Culesford, Suffolk. In 1247 Gilbert Pecche (Hugh’s brother)
was surety for £100 of the crown debt of £500 due from Hugh Pecche and
Ida his wife, late wife of Stephen de Segrave, for his trespass in
carrying off the said Ida. In 1247 Hugh and his wife, Ida, held the
manor of Blunham, Bedfordshire (a Hastings family manor) for life. In
1252 Gilbert de Segrave (Ida’s step-son) leased the manor of Penn,
Buckinghamshire held in dower by Ida of the inheritance of Gilbert
from Hugh and his wife, Ida, paying for the life of Ida £16 sterling
yearly at Stanton, Huntingdonshire, and after the death of Ida, of the
chief lords of the fee by the services, etc. In 1253 they released
her claim to dower in the manor of Penn, Buckinghamshire for £16. He
was present with his brother-in-law, Henry de Hastings, Knt. as his
steward at the Battle of Evesham in 1265. In 1271 he was granted a
weekly market and an annual fair to be held at the manor of Bealings,
Suffolk. In October 1271 he witnessed an agreement between William de
Stoctone and John le Bigod (cousin of Hugh’s wife, Ida) regarding land
in the soke of Stockton, Norfolk. In 1271–1272 William de Fistelden
conveyed property in Tystelden, Suffolk to Hugh and his wife, Ida.
The same year Hugh and his wife, Ida, conveyed to Roger de la Haye and
his wife, Margaret, property in Martele in Hacheton and Aston,
Suffolk. The same year Geoffrey Ode of Eston and his wife, Sarah,
conveyed to Hugh and his wife, Ida, property in Hacheton, Aston, and
Martele. He witnessed a conveyance to his brother, Gilbert Pecche,
Knt., in 1277. In 1280–1281 Robert Hovel conveyed to Hugh Pecche land
in Istede juxta Weybread, Otinton, Weybread, and Moreston, Suffolk.
In 1285 he was granted a weekly market and an annual fair to be held
at the manor of Grundisburgh, Suffolk. In 1286 Hugh and his wife,
Ida, conveyed to Richard le Eyr, of Penn, Buckinghamshire one messuage
and various lands in Penn, Buckinghamshire for the term of his life
rendering yearly 2s.; reversion to Hugh and Ida. The same year Hugh
appointed John Foulsham his attorney in Huntingdonshire. His wife,
Ida, died shortly before 2 March 1288/9, and was buried in the church
of the Grey Friars, London. SIR HUGH PECCHE died shortly before 16
Jan. 1292.
References:
Brydges, Collins’ Peerage of England 6 (1812): 643–645 (sub Lord
Hastings). Arch. Journal 26 (1869): 236–256. C.Ch.R. 2 (1898): 168,
284. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 46, 73, 74, 81.
Cal. IPMs 3 (1912): 23. VCH Bedford 3 (1912): 229. Cal. Inqs. Misc.
1 (1916): 219, 269, 282–283. Farrer, Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920):
164. VCH Huntingdon 3 (1936): 4–10. Hughes, Cal. of the Feet of
Fines for Buckingham (Bucks. Arch. Soc. Recs. 4) (1940): 100. C.P. 10
(1945): 335, footnote b (sub Pecche); 11 (1949): 597–601 (sub
Segrave). VCH Warwick 6 (1951): 65–72. Segrave Segrave Fam. 1066 to
1935 (1963): 2–4. C.R.R. 16 (1979): 478, 490n.; 18 (1999): 62, 76,
123. DeWindt, Royal Justice & Medieval English Countryside 2 (1981):
637. Turner, Men Raised from the Dust (1988): 135. Travers, Cal. of
Feet of Fines for Buckinghamshire 1259–1307 (Bucks. Rec. Soc. 25)
(1989): 61. Coss, Lordship, Knighthood, & Locality (1991): 60.
Berkeley Castle Muniments: Reference: BCM/D/5/5/1 (abstract of
document available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
National Archives, E 210/221 (abstract of document available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Child of Ida de Hastings, by Stephen de Segrave:
i. ELEANOR DE SEGRAVE, married before 1266 ROBERT HOVEL (or HOUWEL),
Knt., of Wyverstone, Chediston, Horpol, Istede, Market Weston, Risby,
and Weybread, Suffolk, and, in right of his wife, of Brownsover (in
Clifton-on-Dunsmore), Warwickshire, son and heir of Robert Hovel,
Knt., of Wyverstone, Suffolk, by Margaret, daughter of William de
Briseworth. He was presumably born before 1237, as his father is
styled “senior” in 1258. They had four sons, Robert, Knt., Hugh,
Knt., Stephen, Knt., and Nicholas. In 1263 presumably he (and not his
father) witnessed a charter of Stephen de Cressy as his steward.
Following the Battle of Evesham in 1265, he seised the land of his
wife’s step-father, Hugh Pecche, Knt., in Great Bealings, Suffolk. He
likewise obtained the manor of Ilketshall, Suffolk on its confiscation
during the disturbances in the reign of King Henry III. In 1268 (or
before), he and his wife, Eleanor, granted Sibton Abbey three acres of
land in Ling, Norfolk, together with their villain, amd the advowson
of the church of St. Margaret there. He is also probably the
benefactor of Blythburgh Priory. He witnessed a charter of Thomas de
Clare, Knt. in 1269. In 1271 he and his wife, Eleanor, granted a
tenement held of his fee in Weybread, Suffolk to the Prior and Canons
of Butley. He and his wife, Eleanor, were received into the
confraternity of Butley Priory. In 1277 he was going for the king to
Wales with Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. In 1280 he and his wife,
Eleanor, conveyed the manor of Browsover (in Clifton-on-Dunsmore),
Warwickshire to Theobald Malegale and Nicholas Test, merchants of
Lucca, to hold of them and of the heirs of Eleanor by yearly rent of
one penny; against this Hugh Pecche and Ida his wife (Eleanor’s
mother) registered their claim. SIR ROBERT HOVEL died sometime before
22 Nov. 1286, when the king ordered that Bartholomew Matelask, of
Cambridge, and Ralph le Someter, of Stratford, be delivered to the
jail of Cambridge for the death of Robert Howell. In 1288 his widow,
Eleanor, sued John son of Bartholomew de Anvelers of a plea of a third
part of lands and rents in Dallinghoo and Pettistree, Suffolk, and
Roger le Monner and Hamon Pynervel of a plea of a third part of lands
in Thorpe, Altenston, and Morston, Suffolk. In 1289 Eleanor held
lands at Stanton, Suffolk. Eleanor was still living in 1298.
References:
Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–1292 (1893): 282. Coram Rege Roll 1297
(British Rec. Soc.) (1897): 60. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905):
397–399; 3 (1909): 345–346. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908):
67, 74–76, 79–80. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1266–1272 (1913): 474. Cal.
Inqs. Misc. 1 (1916): 269. Moor, Knights of Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81)
(1929): 246 (biog. of Sr Robert Houel, Kt.). VCH Warwick 6 (1951): 65–
72. Segrave, Segrave Fam. 1066 to 1935 (1963): 11. Mortimer, Leiston
Abbey Cartulary & Butley Priory Charters (1979): 14–15, 146. Brown,
Sibton Abbey Cartularies & Charters 1 (Suffolk Charters 7) (1985): 62;
2 (Suffolk Charters 8) (1986): 33–34 (charter of “Robert Houel knight
lord of Wyverstone and Eleanor de Segraue his wife” dated 1268 or
before); 4 (1988): 26–27. Brown, Eye Priory Cartulary & Charters
(Suffolk Rec. Soc.) (1994): 81, 105.
Children of Eleanor de Segrave, by Robert Hovel, Knt.:
1). ROBERT HOVEL, of Wyverstone, Suffolk, son and heir, born in or
before 1266 (of age by 1287). In May 1285 he was granted protection,
he then going overseas for the king with John de Vaux. He was a
defendant in a plea of land in 1285–1286. In March 1287 he again had
protection, he then going to the king in Gascony. He died without
issue before 1292. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1281–1292 (1893): 167, 266.
Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399; 3 (1909): 345–346.
Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76. Moor, Knights of
Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 246 (biog. of Sr Robert Houel, Kt.).
2). HUGH HOVEL, Knt., of Wyverstone, Baketon, Chediston,
Finningham, Market Weston, Westhorpe, and Weybread, Suffolk, Sheriff
of Lincolnshire, 2nd son, minor in 1292. He was heir c. 1292 to his
older brother, Robert Hovel. He married (1st) JOAN ____. He married
(2nd) AGNES _____. They had four sons, Robert (1st of name), Robert
the younger (2nd of name), William, and Hugh. He was imprisoned in
the Tower of London for trespass in the king’s park of Langham; he was
pardoned at the instance of his brother, Stephen Hovel, 23 October
1293. He was summoned to serve against the Scots in 1300 and 1301.
He was knighted with Edward, Prince of Wales 22 May 1306. In 1307 he
owed a debt of £12 2s. 10d. to Walter de Wyssete. In 1324 he was
summoned as a knight for Suffolk to attend the Great Council at
Westminster. In 1326 he and his wife, Agnes, settled the manors of
Weston and Morston, Suffolk, together with the advowson of the church
of Weston, Suffolk on themselves for life, with successive remainders
to their sons, Robert and Hugh. SIR HUGH HOVEL died before 1339. His
wife, Agnes, was living in 1346. Procs. Suffolk Institute Arch. &
Natural Hist. 8 (1894): 178. Copinger, County of Suffolk 5 (1905):
467. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399; 3 (1909): 345–
346. Suffolk in 1327 (Suffolk Green Books, No. IX, Vol. II) (1906):
29, 51, 123, 186. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76,
81. Moor, Knights of Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 245 (biog. of Sr
Hugh Howel, Kt.). National Archives, C 241/59/28 (abstract of
document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
3). STEPHEN HOVEL, Knt., of Wickham and Harpol, Suffolk. He
married MARY _____. He witnessed a deed of Edmond son of Miles le
Brit in 1293. In 1300 he owed a debt of £9 13s. 4d. to Robert de
Bardelby, clerk. In 1303 William le Latimer alleged that he, Robert
Constable, and others deserted from the army in Scotland and seised
Latimer’s wife, Lucy de Thweng, from the manor house of Kirkburn,
together with some of Latimer’s property. Constable affirmed his
complete innocence, and both he and Latimer offered to prove the issue
in battle. The justices refused to accept this. Constable’s
innocence seems to have been established, as in Feb. 1304 a writ to
the Sheriff of York merely stated the crime had been committed by
“evilly disposed persons.” Sometime before 1309, Robert le Tonny
[presumably Robert de Tony, Lord Tony] asked for protections for
himself and Sir Stephen Houel and Sir Richard de la Rokele his
bachelors, and writ of respite for John Wymer for the king’s debt. In
1302 he and others were accused of robbery and trespass at Lilleseye,
Suffolk. In 1305 Peter de Cusance was pardoned for acquiring the
manor and advowson of White Rothing, Essex from Stephen and his wife,
Mary, held for the life of Mary. In 1310 he owed a debt of £7 15s. to
Alan de Foughel, of Norwich, Norfolk. In 1318 he was pardoned as an
adherent of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster. In 1322 he was going to
Scotland for the king with Edmund, Earl of Arundel. Birch Cat. of
Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 122–123 (seal of Stephen Hovell,
als. Howell dated temp. Edward II—A shield of arms: a cross, and in
chief of label of five points. Over the shield a helmet with
lambrequin and fan plume. Between two wyverns sans wings, that on the
dexter holding a slipped quatrefoil in the mouth. Legend: SIGILL
[VM :] STE[P]HANI : HO..L.. Beaded borders.). Procs. Suffolk
Institute Arch. & Natural Hist. 8 (1894): 178. Cal. Patent Rolls,
1317–1321 (1903): 228, 232. Cal. Patent Rolls, 1321–1324 (1904):
187. Suffolk in 1327 (Suffolk Green Books, No. IX, Vol. II) (1906):
115. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76. Moor, Knights
of Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 246 (biog. of Sr Stephen Houel,
Kt.). Prestwich et al., Thirteenth Century England IX: Proceedings of
the Durham Conference 2001 (2003): 153. National Archives, C 148/159,
C 241/35/420, C 241/69/174 (abstract of documents available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
4). NICHOLAS HOVEL. He married JOAN _____. In 1310, as “Nicholas
Hovel, brother of Sir Stephen Hovel, Knt.,” he owed a debt of 46s. 8d.
to John son of Geoffrey Kemp, of Norwich, Norfolk. In 1328–1329 Miles
son of Ralph de Howe conveyed property in St. Botolph parish, Norwich,
Norfolk to Nicholas and his wife, Joan. In 1329–1330 he and his wife,
Joan, conveyed property in St. Botolph parish, Norwich, Norfolk to
William But and Peter his son. Rye, Short Cal. of Deeds rel. to
Norwich 1285–1306 (1903): 142, 146. National Archives, C 241/69/117
(abstract of document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Child of Ida de Hastings, by Hugh Pecche, Knt.:
i. HUGH PECCHE, Knight of the Shire for Suffolk, 1302, son and heir,
born about 1254 (aged 36 in 1292). He was summoned to serve against
the Scots in 1301. HUGH PECCHE died in 1310. DeWindt, Royal Justice
& Medieval English Countryside 2 (1981): 637.
Patricia A. Junkin
Am I correct in deducing that this Sir Hugh Pecche is related to
Pecche of Eye line
into which William la Zouche of Lubbesthorpe married by 1348?
Thank you in advance for your thoughts,
Pat
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> As part of my ongoing research on Ada of Huntingdon (died c.1242),
> wife of Sir Henry de Hastings, I've been researching her sister-in-
> law, Ida de Hastings (died 1289), wife successively of Stephen de
> Segrave and Hugh Pecche, Knt. In my Magna Carta Ancestry book, I
> incorrectly placed Ida and her sister, Maud, as the daughters of Ada
> of Huntingdon.
It would be a great benefit if you would start adding to your online
errata page. It won't take away from the value of your next volume.
It will just increase the prestige of the former volume.
Joe C
Douglas Richardson
I've copied below my revised and expanded account of Ida de Hastings
(died 1289), wife of Sir Stephen de Segrave, Knt., and Sir Hugh
Pecche, Knt. Ida de Hastings was the sister of Sir Henry de
Hastings, Knt., who married Ada of Huntingdon.
In the revised and expanded account below, I've provide documentation
that Ida de Hastings had one daughter by her Segrave marriage, namely
Eleanor de Segrave, wife of Sir Robert Hovel, Knt. Ida likewise had
two children by her marriage to Sir Hugh Pecche, Knt., namely a son,
Hugh Pecche the younger, who died without issue, and one daughter, Eve
Pecche, wife of Ralph de Rochester, Knt., and Robert de Tudenham,
Knt.
Both Eleanor de Segrave and her half-sister, Eve Pecche, left issue.
Eve Pecche is the ancestress of at least one 17th Century New World
immigrant, namely Thomas Jernigan, of Virginia. If anyone knows of
other immigrants descended from either Eleanor or Eve, I'd appreciate
knowing about it.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Ida de Hastings, wife of Sir Stephen de Segrave, Knt., and Sir Hugh
Pecche, Knt., and her family
IDA DE HASTINGS, married (as his 2nd wife) STEPHEN DE SEGRAVE, Knt.,
of Segrave, Leicestershire, Penn, Buckinghamshire, etc., Justiciar of
England, Sheriff of cos. Buckingham, Bedford, Worcester, Leicester,
and Northampton, Governor of Sauvey Castle, Leicestershire, Constable
of the Tower of London, Justice of Chester, Justiciar of England, son
and heir of Gilbert de Segrave, of Segrave, Leicestershire. Her
maritagium included the manor of Brownsover (in Clifton-on-Dunsmore),
Warwickshire and 7-½ virgates in Normanton le Heath, Leicestershire.
They had one daughter, Eleanor. In 1219 he was going on the king’s
affairs to the Legate. He was one of the king’s proctors in the
dispute with Alexander, King of Scotland. In 1220 he joined in
advising King Henry III to make an agreement with his uncle, King
Richard I’s widow, Queen Bérengère. In 1233 he was advising the king
on all matters of state. In 1234 the king reproached him for the
commission of the faults with which he had charged Hubert de Burgh,
and ordered him to restore the manors granted to him for his
maintenance as justiciar, together with the castle of Newcastle-under-
Lyme held by his son, Gilbert. SIR STEPHEN DE SEGRAVE died at
Leicester Abbey shortly before 16 October 1241. His widow, Ida,
married (2nd) before 1247 HUGH PECCHE (or PECHE), Knt., of Great
Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Kedington, Suffolk, and, in right of his
wife, of Blunham, Bedfordshire, Alconbury Weston, Huntingdonshire, and
North Piddle, Worcestershire, younger son of Hamon Pecche, Knt., of
Bourn and Cheveley, Cambridgeshire, by his wife, Eve. They had one
son, Hugh, and one daughter, Eve. In 1242 Thomas de Avenbiry and his
wife Alice (widow of Gilbert de Mynieres) sued him in a plea of one
third part of ten librates of land in Culesford, Suffolk. In 1247
Gilbert Pecche (Hugh’s brother) was surety for £100 of the crown debt
of £500 due from Hugh Pecche and Ida his wife, late wife of Stephen de
Segrave, for his trespass in carrying off the said Ida. In 1247 Hugh
and his wife, Ida, held the manor of Blunham, Bedfordshire (a Hastings
family manor) for life. In 1252 Gilbert de Segrave (Ida’s step-son)
leased the manor of Penn, Buckinghamshire held in dower by Ida of the
inheritance of Gilbert from Hugh and his wife, Ida, paying for the
life of Ida £16 sterling yearly at Stanton, Huntingdonshire, and after
the death of Ida, of the chief lords of the fee by the services, etc.
In 1253 they released her claim to dower in the manor of Penn,
Buckinghamshire for £16. He was present with his brother-in-law,
Henry de Hastings, Knt. as his steward at the Battle of Evesham in
1265. In 1271 he was granted a weekly market and an annual fair to be
held at the manor of Bealings, Suffolk. In October 1271 he witnessed
an agreement between William de Stoctone and John le Bigod (cousin of
Hugh’s wife, Ida) regarding land in the soke of Stockton, Norfolk. In
1271–1272 William de Fistelden conveyed property in Tystelden, Suffolk
to Hugh and his wife, Ida. The same year Hugh and his wife, Ida,
conveyed to Roger de la Haye and his wife, Margaret, property in
Martele in Hacheton and Aston, Suffolk. The same year Geoffrey Ode of
Eston and his wife, Sarah, conveyed to Hugh and his wife, Ida,
property in Hacheton, Aston, and Martele. 1273–1274 Simon le Wylde
and Agnes his wife conveyed to Hugh and his wife, Ida, one messuage
and lands in Kedington, Barnardiston, Haverhill, etc., Suffolk, and
Couples (in Sturmer) and Sturmer, Essex. He witnessed a conveyance to
his brother, Gilbert Pecche, Knt., in 1277. In 1278–1279 Hugh
arraigned an assize of novel disseisin against Robert de Wileby and
others regarding common of pasture in Kedington, Suffolk. In 1280–
1281 Robert Hovel conveyed to Hugh Pecche land in Istede juxta
Weybread, Otinton, Weybread, and Moreston, Suffolk. In 1285 he was
granted a weekly market and an annual fair to be held at the manor of
Grundisburgh, Suffolk. In 1286 Hugh and his wife, Ida, conveyed to
Richard le Eyr, of Penn, Buckinghamshire one messuage and various
lands in Penn, Buckinghamshire for the term of his life rendering
yearly 2s.; reversion to Hugh and Ida. The same year Hugh appointed
John Foulsham his attorney in Huntingdonshire. His wife, Ida, died
shortly before 2 March 1288/9, and was buried in the church of the
Grey Friars, London. SIR HUGH PECCHE died shortly before 16 Jan.
1292. Brydges, Collins’ Peerage of England 6 (1812): 643–645 (sub
Lord Hastings). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 9 (1859): 68–69 (Pecche-
Peverel pedigree). Arch. Journal 26 (1869): 236–256. Foss,
Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England (1870): 605–606
(biog. of Stephen de Segrave) (“Evidently a man of energy and
enterprise, his grasping and timeserving disposition threw suspicion
over all he did.”). Matthew of Paris, Chronica Majora 4 (Rolls Ser.
57) (1877): 169 (death of Stephen de Segrave). Daniel-Tyssen, Royal
Charters & Hist. Docs. Rel. to the Town & County of Carmarthen (1878):
42. Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper 48 (1887): 100. C.Ch.R. 2
(1898): 168, 284. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 46,
73, 74, 81. Cal. IPMs 3 (1912): 23. VCH Bedford 3 (1912): 229. Feet
of Fines for Essex 2 (1913–1928): 5, 129. Cal. Inqs. Misc. 1 (1916):
219, 269, 282–283. Farrer, Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 164. VCH
Huntingdon 3 (1936): 4–10. Hughes, Cal. of the Feet of Fines for
Buckingham (Bucks. Arch. Soc. Recs. 4) (1940): 100. C.P. 10 (1945):
335, footnote b (sub Pecche); 11 (1949): 597–601 (sub Segrave). VCH
Warwick 6 (1951): 65–72. Segrave, Segrave Fam. 1066 to 1935 (1963): 2–
4. C.R.R. 16 (1979): 478, 490n.; 18 (1999): 62, 76, 123. DeWindt,
Royal Justice & Medieval English Countryside 2 (1981): 637. Turner,
Men Raised from the Dust (1988): 135 [Stephen [de Segrave]’s second
wife was Ida, Henry of Hastings’ sister”), 195 (“According to William
Dugdale, Baronage, p. 762, she [Ida] brought to the marriage a
Warwicks manor). Travers, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Buckinghamshire
1259–1307 (Bucks. Rec. Soc. 25) (1989): 61. Coss, Lordship,
Knighthood, & Locality (1991): 60. Berkeley Castle Muniments:
Reference: BCM/D/5/5/1 (abstract of document available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). National Archives, E 210/221
(abstract of document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Child of Ida de Hastings, by Stephen de Segrave, Knt.:
a. ELEANOR DE SEGRAVE, married before 1266 ROBERT HOVEL (or HOUWEL),
Knt., of Wyverstone, Chediston, Horpol, Istede, Market Weston, Risby,
and Weybread, Suffolk, and, in right of his wife, of Brownsover (in
Clifton-on-Dunsmore), Warwickshire, son and heir of Robert Hovel,
Knt., of Wyverstone, Suffolk, by Margaret, daughter of William de
Briseworth. He was presumably born before 1237, as his father is
styled “senior” in 1258. They had four sons, Robert, Knt., Hugh,
Knt., Stephen, Knt., and Nicholas. In 1263 presumably he (and not his
father) witnessed a charter of Stephen de Cressy as his steward.
Following the Battle of Evesham in 1265, he seised the land of his
wife’s step-father, Hugh Pecche, Knt., in Great Bealings, Suffolk. He
likewise obtained the manor of Ilketshall, Suffolk on its confiscation
during the disturbances in the reign of King Henry III. In 1268 (or
before), he and his wife, Eleanor, granted Sibton Abbey three acres of
land in Ling, Norfolk, together with their villain, amd the advowson
of the church of St. Margaret there. He is also probably the
benefactor of Blythburgh Priory. He witnessed a charter of Thomas de
Clare, Knt. in 1269. In 1271 he and his wife, Eleanor, granted a
tenement held of his fee in Weybread, Suffolk to the Prior and Canons
of Butley. He and his wife, Eleanor, were received into the
confraternity of Butley Priory. In 1277 he was going for the king to
Wales with Roger le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. In 1278–1279 Walkelin le
Caylly arraigned an assize of novel disseisin against him regarding a
tenement in Cotton, Suffolk. In 1280 he and his wife, Eleanor,
conveyed the manor of Browsover (in Clifton-on-Dunsmore), Warwickshire
to Theobald Malegale and Nicholas Test, merchants of Lucca, to hold of
them and of the heirs of Eleanor by yearly rent of one penny; against
this Hugh Pecche and Ida his wife (Eleanor’s mother) registered their
claim. SIR ROBERT HOVEL died sometime before 22 Nov. 1286, when the
king ordered that Bartholomew Matelask, of Cambridge, and Ralph le
Someter, of Stratford, be delivered to the jail of Cambridge for the
death of Robert Howell. In 1288 his widow, Eleanor, sued John son of
Bartholomew de Anvelers of a plea of a third part of lands and rents
in Dallinghoo and Pettistree, Suffolk, and Roger le Monner and Hamon
Pynervel of a plea of a third part of lands in Thorpe, Altenston, and
Morston, Suffolk. In 1289 Eleanor held lands at Stanton, Suffolk.
Eleanor was still living in 1298. Rye Short Cal. of Feet of Fines for
Norfolk 1 (1885): 107. Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper 48 (1887):
51. C.P.R. 1281–1292 (1893): 282. Coram Rege Roll 1297 (British Rec.
Soc.) (1897): 60. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399; 3
(1909): 345–346. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 67, 74–76,
79–80. C.P.R. 1266–1272 (1913): 474. Cal. Inqs. Misc. 1 (1916):
269. Moor, Knights of Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 246 (biog. of Sr
Robert Houel, Kt.). VCH Warwick 6 (1951): 65–72. Segrave, Segrave
Fam. 1066 to 1935 (1963): 11. Mortimer, Leiston Abbey Cartulary &
Butley Priory Charters (1979): 14–15, 146. Brown, Sibton Abbey
Cartularies & Charters 1 (Suffolk Charters 7) (1985): 62; 2 (Suffolk
Charters 8) (1986): 33–34 (charter of “Robert Houel knight lord of
Wyverstone and Eleanor de Segraue his wife” dated 1268 or before); 4
(1988): 26–27. Brown, Eye Priory Cartulary & Charters (Suffolk Rec.
Soc.) (1994): 81, 105.
Children of Eleanor de Segrave, by Robert Hovel, Knt.:
1). ROBERT HOVEL, of Wyverstone, Suffolk, son and heir, born in
or before 1266 (of age by 1287). In May 1285 he was granted
protection, he then going overseas for the king with John de Vaux. He
was a defendant in a plea of land in 1285–1286. In March 1287 he
again had protection, he then going to the king in Gascony. He died
without issue before 1292. C.P.R. 1281–1292 (1893): 167, 266.
Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399; 3 (1909): 345–346.
Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76. Moor Knights of
Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 246 (biog. of Sr Robert Houel, Kt.).
2). HUGH HOVEL, Knt., of Wyverstone, Baketon, Chediston,
Finningham, Market Weston, Westhorpe, and Weybread, Suffolk, Sheriff
of Lincolnshire, 2nd son, minor in 1292. He was heir c. 1292 to his
older brother, Robert Hovel. He married (1st) JOAN ____. He married
(2nd) AGNES _____. They had four sons, Robert (1st of name), Robert
the younger (2nd of name), William, and Hugh. He was imprisoned in
the Tower of London for trespass in the king’s park of Langham; he was
pardoned at the instance of his brother, Stephen Hovel, 23 October
1293. He was summoned to serve against the Scots in 1300 and 1301.
He was knighted with Edward, Prince of Wales 22 May 1306. In 1307 he
owed a debt of £12 2s. 10d. to Walter de Wyssete. In 1314–1315 he and
his wife, Agnes, acquired the manor of Istede, Suffolk from his
cousin, Robert de Tudenham. In 1324 he was summoned as a knight for
Suffolk to attend the Great Council at Westminster. In 1326 he and
his wife, Agnes, settled the manors of Weston and Morston, Suffolk,
together with the advowson of the church of Weston, Suffolk on
themselves for life, with successive remainders to their sons, Robert
and Hugh. SIR HUGH HOVEL died before 1339. His wife, Agnes, was
living in 1346. Procs. Suffolk Institute Arch. & Natural Hist. 8
(1894): 178. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 133.
Copinger, County of Suffolk 5 (1905): 467. Copinger, Manors of
Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399; 3 (1909): 345–346. Suffolk in 1327
(Suffolk Green Books, No. IX, Vol. II) (1906): 29, 51, 123, 186.
Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76, 81. Moor, Knights of
Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929): 245 (biog. of Sr Hugh Howel, Kt.).
National Archives, C 241/59/28 (abstract of document available online
at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
3). STEPHEN HOVEL, Knt., of Wickham and Harpol, Suffolk. He
married MARY _____. He witnessed a deed of Edmond son of Miles le
Brit in 1293. In 1300 he owed a debt of £9 13s. 4d. to Robert de
Bardelby, clerk. In 1303 William le Latimer alleged that he, Robert
Constable, and others deserted from the army in Scotland and seised
Latimer’s wife, Lucy de Thweng, from the manor house of Kirkburn,
together with some of Latimer’s property. Constable affirmed his
complete innocence, and both he and Latimer offered to prove the issue
in battle. The justices refused to accept this. Constable’s
innocence seems to have been established, as in Feb. 1304 a writ to
the Sheriff of York merely stated the crime had been committed by
“evilly disposed persons.” In 1304–1305 Stephen and his wife, Mary,
conveyed the manor and the advowson of the church of White Rothing,
Essex to Peter de Cusance. Sometime before 1309, Robert le Tonny
[presumably Robert de Tony, Lord Tony] asked for protections for
himself and Sir Stephen Houel and Sir Richard de la Rokele his
bachelors, and writ of respite for John Wymer for the king’s debt. In
1302 he and others were accused of robbery and trespass at Lilleseye,
Suffolk. In 1305 Peter de Cusance was pardoned for acquiring the
manor and advowson of White Rothing, Essex from Stephen and his wife,
Mary, held for the life of Mary. In 1305–1306 Stephen and his wife,
Mary, conveyed to John de la Lee and his wife, Katherine, various
lands in White Rothing, Hatfield Regis, and Matching, Essex. In 1310
he owed a debt of £7 15s. to Alan de Foughel, of Norwich, Norfolk. In
1318 he was pardoned as an adherent of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster. In
1322 he was going to Scotland for the king with Edmund, Earl of
Arundel. Birch, Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 122–123
(seal of Stephen Hovell, als. Howell dated temp. Edward II—A shield of
arms: a cross, and in chief of label of five points. Over the shield
a helmet with lambrequin and fan plume. Between two wyverns sans
wings, that on the dexter holding a slipped quatrefoil in the mouth.
Legend: SIGILL[VM :] STE[P]HANI : HO..L.. Beaded borders.). Procs.
Suffolk Institute Arch. & Natural Hist. 8 (1894): 178. C.P.R. 1317–
1321 (1903): 228, 232. C.P.R. 1321–1324 (1904): 187. Suffolk in 1327
(Suffolk Green Books, No. IX, Vol. II) (1906): 115. Muskett, Suffolk
Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 74–76. Feet of Fines for Essex 2 (1913–
1928): 101, 106, 127. Moor, Knights of Edward I 2 (H.S.P. 81) (1929):
246 (biog. of Sr Stephen Houel, Kt.). Prestwich, et al. Thirteenth
Century England IX: Proceedings of the Durham Conference 2001 (2003):
153. National Archives, C 148/159, C 241/35/420, C 241/69/174
(abstract of documents available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
4). NICHOLAS HOVEL. He married JOAN _____. In 1310, as
“Nicholas Hovel, brother of Sir Stephen Hovel, Knt.,” he owed a debt
of 46s. 8d. to John son of Geoffrey Kemp, of Norwich, Norfolk. In
1328–1329 Miles son of Ralph de Howe conveyed property in St. Botolph
parish, Norwich, Norfolk to Nicholas and his wife, Joan. In 1329–1330
he and his wife, Joan, conveyed property in St. Botolph parish,
Norwich, Norfolk to William But and Peter his son. Rye, Short Cal. of
Deeds rel. to Norwich 1285–1306 (1903): 142, 146. National Archives,
C 241/69/117 (abstract of document available online at
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Children of Ida de Hastings, by Hugh Pecche, Knt.:
a. EVE PECCHE, born about 1251 (aged 60 in 1311). She married (1st)
RALPH DE ROCHESTER, Knt., of Eriswell, Suffolk, son and heir of Henry
de Rochester, of Eriswell, Suffolk. They had no issue. She married
(2nd) before 1280 ROBERT DE TUDENHAM (or TUDDENHAM), Knt., of Little
Abington, Cambridgeshire, and Eriswell, Suffolk. They had one son,
Robert. In 1270 he and his wife, Eve, granted Barton Burial Manor,
Norfolk to Robert de Weston and his wife, Hawise, in exchange for the
manor of Eriswell, Suffolk. SIR ROBERT DE TUDENHAM died shortly
before 17 April 1309. His widow, Eve, was heiress in 1310 to her
brother, Hugh Pecche, by which she inherited the manors of Great
Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Cotton Hall (in Kedington), Suffolk. Eve
died shortly before 24 Jan. 1311/12. Banks Baronies in Fee 1 (1844):
362–363 (sub Patshull) (erroneously identifies wife Eve as “dau. of
Sir Hamon Pecche.”). Notes & Queries 5th ser. 9 (1878): 82–83.
Copinger, County of Suffolk 1 (1904): 138–139. Cal. IPMs 5 (1908): 47–
48, 141, 187. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 3 (1909): 3–5; 4 (1909):
153–155 (erroneously identifies wife Eve as “daughter and heir of
Gilbert Peche.”). Farrer, Honors & Knights’ Fee 3 (1920): 270–271.
VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 3–19.
Child of Eve Pecche, by Robert de Tudenham, Knt.:
1). ROBERT DE TUDENHAM, Knt., son and heir, born about 1279–1280
(aged 30 in 1309, aged 32 in 1312). He married KATHERINE DE
PATESHULLE, daughter of John de Pateshulle, Knt., of Pattishall,
Milton and Collingtree (in Milton Malzor), Rothersthorpe, etc.,
Northamptonshire, Bletsoe, Bromham, Cardington, and Keysoe,
Bedfordshire, Linslade, Buckinghamshire, Nunnington, Yorkshire, etc.,
by Mabel, daughter of William de Grandison, Knt., 1st Lord Grandison.
They had two sons, Robert and John, Knt. In 1314–1315 he conveyed the
manor of Istede, Suffolk to his cousin, Hugh Hovel, and his wife,
Agnes. His wife, Katherine, was co-heiress in 1359 to her brother,
William de Pateshulle, Knt. SIR ROBERT DE TUDENHAM died 9 August
1361. His widow, Katherine, left a will proved 16 June 1383. Baker,
Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 2 (1836–1841): 295–297 (Pateshull
pedigree). Banks, Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 362–363 (sub Patshull).
Archæologia Cantiana 2 (1859): 34–35. Harvey, Hist. & Antiqs. of the
Hundred of Willey (1872–8): opp. 4 (Beauchamp pedigree). Notes &
Queries 5th ser. 9 (1878): 82–83. Genealogist n.s. 13 (1896): 249;
n.s. 16 (1899): 38. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900):
133. Cal. IPMs 5 (1908): 47–48, 187. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 3
(1909): 3–5; 4 (1909): 153–155. C.C.R. 1364–1368 (1910): 434–435.
b. HUGH PECCHE, of Great Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Cotton Hall (in
Kedington), Suffolk, Knight of the Shire for Suffolk, 1302, son and
heir, born about 1254 (aged 36 in 1292). He was summoned to serve
against the Scots in 1301. In 1309–1310 he conveyed to Maud Burghard,
of Framlingham, various lands in Kedington, Suffolk, and Haverhill and
Sturmer, Essex. HUGH PECCHE died without issue shortly before 4 Dec.
1310. IPMs 5 (1908): 141. Feet of Fines for Essex 2 (1913–1928):
129. DeWindt, Royal Justice & Medieval English Countryside 2 (1981):
637.
Douglas Richardson
Related to the current discussion of Ada of Huntingdon, wife of Sir
Henry de Hastings, is the history of Ada's two sisters-in-law, Ida de
Hastings (wife of Sir Stephen de Segrave and Sir Hugh Pecche) and Maud
de Hastings, wife of Sir Gilbert Pecche. I've copied below my current
file account regarding Maud de Hastings and her husband, Sir Gilbert
Pecche, Knt., and their immediate family.
My research indicates that Maud de Hastings had two sons, John and
Edmund Pecche, and at least one daughter, Margery Pecche, wife of
Nicholas de Criol. The daughter Margery is usually assigned as a
daughter of Gilbert Pecche's second marriage to Joan de Crey, but this
is impossible chronologically. Joan de Crey's first husband, Richard
de Dover, died shortly before 10 Jan. 1266, whereas Margery Pecche
married before 25 Nov. 1271 (date of fine) to Nicholas de Criol.
Inasmuch as Maud de Hastings lived until 1264 or 1265,. Maud must have
been Margery Pecche's mother, not Joan de Crey. It is known that
Margery Pecche had a second husband, but his identity seems to have
been overlooked by secondary sources. I suggest below that her second
husband was Ralph le Sauvage. Further research is needed to prove
that point, however.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New
World immigrants that descend from Margery Peche and her husband,
Nicholas de Criol. Note: Anne Baynton and Mary Gye have been
questioned as possible descendants.
Anne Baynton, William Bladen, Francis Dade, Mary Gye, Gabriel,
Roger & Sarah Ludlow, John Oxenbridge
As for Maud de Hastings' sons, John and Edmund Pecche, their history
is somewhat obscure. After a good deal of digging, I've finally
established that John Pecche married Margaret le Moyne, an heiress,
and had a son and heir, Gilbert. In 1313-1314 Gilbert son of John
Pecche conveyed away his rights to the family manors in Suffolk, and
thereafter disappears from the records. John Pecche is also alleged
in secondary sources to have had a daughter, Anne Pecche, who married
Sir John Wingfield, Knt., which couple are ancestral to William de la
Pole, Duke of Suffolk. However, I've been unable to find any
contemporary evidence to support that John Pecche had such a daughter.
As for Maud de Hastings' younger son, Edmund Pecche, either he or his
son of the same name is probably the Edmund Pecche who with a wife
Margaret conveyed the manor and advowson of Felsham, Suffolk in 1313–
1314 to Hugh de Morieux and his son John. Unfortunately, the sale of
the manor prevents further knowledge of this family. Whatever the
case, Edmund Pecche appears to be a different individual than the
Edmund Pecche who held the manor of Eye (in Horningsea),
Cambridgeshire in 1279. This Edmund Pecche, of Eye, died in 1285, and
was succeeded by his son, Thomas Pecche, Knt., who held the fee of the
Bishop c.1303.
Lastly, inasmuch as the given name, Eve, is known to have run in the
Pecche family, it's entirely possible that Gilbert Pecche and his 1st
wife, Maud de Hastings, are the parents of Eve _____ (died 1292), wife
of Nicholas de Tregoz and Robert de Valoines. The parentage of Eve
(_____) (de Tregoz) de Valoines is suggested only as a possibility.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Maud de Hastings, wife of Sir Gilbert Pecche, Knt., and their family.
I. MAUD DE HASTINGS, married (as his 1st wife) GILBERT PECCHE (or
PECHE, PECKE), Knt., of Great Thurlow, Suffolk, Bourn, Eversden,
Guilden Morden, Haslingfield, Kingston, Lolworth, Long Stanton,
Madingley, Rampton, Swaffham Prior, Wimpole, etc., Cambridgeshire,
Plechedon (in Henham), Essex, Westcliffe, Kent, High Ercall,
Shropshire, etc., son and heir of Hamon Pecche, Knt., of Bourn and
Cheveley, Cambridgeshire, by his wife, Eve. They had two sons, John
and Edmund, and an unknown number of daughters, including Margery.
His wife, Maud, is possibly the Maud de Hastings who held a half a
knight’s fee in Leicestershire or Warwickshire of the honour of the
Earl of Ferrers in 1235–1236. In December 1241 he gave 200 marks for
relief of the lands which Hamon Pecche his late father held in chief
when he went to the Holy Land. In 1242–1243 he acquired ½ virgate of
land in Birdbrook, Essex from Robert Blaneny, in exchange for 5-½
acres of land in Stambourne, Essex. In 1249–1250 John, Prior of
Stokes, conveyed to Gilbert and his mother, Eve, a common of fishery
in the water of Birdbrook, Essex. In 1249–1250 William _____ conveyed
to him one messuage and 80 acres of land in Birdbrook, Essex. In 1256
he settled the procedure to be observed towards him as patron on a
vacancy of the monastery of Barnwell. He was summoned for the
campaign in Wales after the fall of Builth Castle in 1260. His wife,
Maud, died in London in 1264 or 1265. He married (2nd) Joan de Creye,
widow of Richard de Dover (minor in 1261, died shortly before 10 Jan.
1266), of Lesnes, Kent, and daughter of Simon de Creye. They had four
sons, Gilbert [1st Lord Pecche], William, Simon, and John. In 1271 he
conveyed a messuage and two carucates of land in Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire and a carucate of land in Sarre, Kent to his daughter
and son-in-law, Margery and Nicholas de Criol. In 1270 he made a
settlement of the manor of Swaffham Prior, Cambridgeshire on himself
and his wife, Joan. In 1272 he was granted a weekly market and annual
fair to be held at the manor of Great Thurlow, Suffolk. In 1272–1273
he and his wife, Joan, conveyed the reversion of the manor of
Plechedon (in Henham), Essex to his son, John Pecche. In 1273–1274
his son, John, conveyed the manor of Plechedon (in Henham) and
Swaffham Prior, Cambridgeshire to Gilbert and his wife, Joan, and the
heirs of her body. In 1275 Gilbert sold land at Bourn, Cambridgeshire
to Barnwell Priory. He was summoned for service in Wales, 1276, 1282
and 1283, and to the assembly at Shrewsbury in 1283. In 1277 Berenger
le Moyne, Knt. conveyed to Gilbert and his wife, Joan, for £40 one
messuage with appurtenances in the vill of Chaterris, Cambridgeshire,
which property Berenger recently acquired from Gilbert. In 1278–1279
John de Cokefeld arraigned assizes of mort dancestor against him
regarding the manor of and possessions in Podeseye, Essex. In 1280
Aaron son of Vives the Jew gave Queen Eleanor of Castile all debts
owed by Gilbert Pecche; the queen then obtained Pecche’s debts to the
king at the Exchequer; in consequence, Gilbert conveyed to her his
manor of Westcliffe, Kent in June 1280. Gilbert was going overseas in
1281. In 1280–1281 he and his wife, Joan, made a settlement of the
manors of Plechedon (in Henham), Essex and Swaffham, Cambridgeshire.
In 1280–1281 he conveyed the manor of Great Thurlaw, Suffolk to
feoffees. In 1281 he sold one messuage and certain lands and rents in
Swaffham Prior, Cambridgeshire to Robert de Leicester. In 1283, in
consideration of £40, he granted his serf, Martin of Tune, of Ufford,
together with the advowson of Ufford, Suffolk to Robert de Ufford,
Knt. At an unknown date, as “Gilbert son of Sir Hamo Petche,” he
likewise conveyed to Robert de Ufford, Knt. for £40 his fish-pond of
Hakenhull (in Melton), Suffolk and part of another called Burriches
pond in the same place. In 1283–1284 a settlement of the manor of
Great Thurlaw, Suffolk was made on him and his wife, Joan. In 1284 he
surrendered all of his lands held in chief to the king and queen,
including the advowson of Barnwell Priory, in consideration of an
annuity equivalent to the yearly value of the lands. In 1285 the king
and queen settled on Gilbert for his life lands worth £124 a year, in
return for his feoffment to them of his estates. At an unknown date,
he translated the remains of his grandparents, Gilbert and Alice
Pecche, to Barnwell Priory, of which house he was patron. At an
unknown date, he confirmed all the grants and quittances made to
Sibton Abbey by himself, his father, Hamon Pecche, and his
grandfather, Gilbert Pecche, and others of his fee. SIR GILBERT
PECCHE died 25 May 1291. In 1291, his widow, Joan, complained that
the escheator seised Plechedon (in Henham), Essex and Great Thurlow,
Suffolk for the crown, though she and her late husband were joint-
feoffees thereof. Joan was living in 1302.
References:
Coll. Top. et Gen. 6 (1840): 82. Banks, Baronies in Fees 1 (1844):
363–364 (sub Peche). Norfolk Arch. 4 (1855): 11. Eyton, Antiqs. of
Shropshire 9 (1859): 62–74. Reliquary 18 (1877–78): 91–92. Turner,
Cal. of Charters & Rolls Preserved in the Bodleian Library (1878):
645. Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper 48 (1887): 149. Duchess of
Cleveland, Battle Abbey Roll 2 (1889): 396 (“ ‘What became of the
right heirs of Gilbert Peche II. is,’ says Eyton, ‘a matter of
conjecture.’ Edmund, the youngest, occurs in the Parl. Writs as Lord
of Felsham, Suffiolk, in 1316: and John must have been the Sir John
Peche, ‘descended from Gilbert Lord Peche,’ who acquire Lullingstone
in the previous century. His two sons, Sir William and Sir John,
accompanied Edward I. to Scotland, and were knighted at
Carlaverock.”). East Anglian n.s. 6 (1895–6): 378. Cal. Charters
Rolls, 2 (1898): 179. Feet of Fines for Essex 1 (1899): 147, 183,
186; 2 (1913–1928): 1, 6. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk
(1900): 81, 83–84, 91. Rigg, Select Pleas, Starrs, etc., of the
Jewish Exchequer, 1220–1284 (Selden Soc. 15) (1901): 112–113. Clark,
Liber Memorandorum Ecclesie de Bernewelle (1907): xxxvii–xli, 48–50
(“Predictus dominus Gilbertus Pecche duas habuit vxores: vnam que
uocabatur Matildis de Hastinges, genere quidem claram sed moribus
multo clariorem, et habuerunt filios et filias. Que London defuncta
est. Sepultum est corpus eius in ecclesia canonicorum beate marie
ultra aquam … Post hec accepit dictus Gilbertus aliam uxorem filiam
domini Symonis de Creye; que uocabatur Johanna … de hac quidem genuit
filios et filias.”). Report on MSS in Various Colls. 4 (Hist. MSS
Comm.) (1907): 273. C.P.R. 1258–1266 (1910): 508 (Richard de Dovorr
[Dover] styled “king’s kinsman”), 532. Farrer, Feudal Cambridgeshire
(1920): 159–165. Foster, Final Concords of Lincoln from the Feet of
Fines A.D. 1244–1272 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 17) (1920): 239. C.P. 10
(1945): 335–336 (sub Pecche) (cites Liber… de Bernewelle, pg. 50,
which calls Maud de Hastings, 1st wife of Gilbert Pecche, “illustrious
by birth and still more illustrious by nature.”). VCH Cambridge 2
(1948): 234–249; 10 (2002): 46–49, 278–285. Churchill, Cal. of Kent
Feet of Fines (Kent Recs. 15) (1956): 419. Beardwood, Trial of Walter
Langton, Bishop of Lichfield, 1307–1312 (Trans. American Philosophical
Soc. n.s. 54) (1964): 34. C.R.R. 16 (1979): 399. Brown, Sibton Abbey
Cartularies 1 (Suffolk Charters 7) (1985): 82; 2 (Suffolk Charters 8)
(1986): 35–38. Parsons, Eleanor of Castile (1997): 134–135, 138, 140–
142, 148, 161–162, 168, 177–179, 183, 192, 194, 308, 314–315. Breay,
Cartulary of Chatteris Abbey (1999): 383–384. Mundill, England’s
Jewish Solution (2002): 63, 267. Berkeley Castle Muniments:
Reference: BCM/D/5/5/1 (abstract of document available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
Children of Maud de Hastings, by Gilbert Pecche:
i. JOHN PECCHE, son and heir. He married MARGARET LE MOYNE,
daughter and co-heiress of Berenger le Moyne, Knt., of Barnwell,
Hemingford, Holywell, Thurning, and Woodhurst, Huntingdonshire, by his
wife, Emme. They had one son, Gilbert, and allegedly one daughter,
Anne (wife of John Wingfield, Knt.). At an unknown date, John’s
father appears to have conveyed the manor of Cheveley, Cambridgeshire
to him. In 1272–1273 his father, Gilbert Pecche, and his 2nd wife,
Joan (John’s step-mother) conveyed the reversion of the manor of
Plechedon (in Henham), Essex to him. 1273–1274 John conveyed the
manors of Plechedon (in Henham), Essex and Swaffham Prior,
Cambridgeshire to his father, Gilbert Pecche, and his 2nd wife, Joan,
and their heirs. In 1285–1286 he conveyed nine messuages and five
virgates in Thurning, Huntingdonshire to Richard, Abbot of Crowland.
In 1286 John and his wife, Margaret, conveyed the manor of Cheveley,
Cambridgeshire to Roger de Loveday, justice itinerant, and his wife
Sibyl. In 1289, as “John Pecche son of Gilbert Pecche,” he owed a
debt of £10 to Simon de Thorpe; a writ was sent to the Sheriff of
Huntingdonshire for collection. John died before 14 May 1296, when
the king presented Thomas de Cantebrigge to the church of Clyvele/
Chauele/Chavele [Cheveley, Cambridgeshire], the church being in the
king’s gift by reason of his custody of the land and heir of John son
of Gilbert Pecche, tenant in chief. Banks, Baronies in Fees 1 (1844):
363–364 (sub Peche). Patrician 1 (1846): 363–364 (re. Wingfield
family). Page, Supplement to the Suffolk Traveller (1846): 434–439
(re. Wingfield family). Eyton, Antiqs. of Shropshire 9 (1859): 68–69
(Pecche-Peverel pedigree). Turner, Cal. of Charters & Rolls Preserved
in the Bodleian Library (1878): 645. C.P.R. 1292–1301 (1895): 188,
210. Duchess of Cleveland, Battle Abbey Roll 2 (1889): 396. East
Anglian n.s. 6 (1895–6): 378, 380. Procs. Suffolk Institute of Arch.
& Natural Hist. 11 (1903): 178 (Edward [recte Edmund] Pecche listed as
lord of Felsham, Suffolk c.1316). Clark, Liber Memorandorum Ecclesie
de Bernewelle (1907): 48–50. Feet of Fines for Essex 2 (1913–1928):
1, 6. Farrer, Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 159–165. VCH Huntingdon
2 (1932): 175–178. DeWindt, Royal Justice & Medieval English
Countryside 2 (1981): 525, 629, 637. Geary, Readings in Medieval
Hist. 2 (2003): 460. National Archives, C 241/9/210 (abstract of
document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Child of John Pecche, by Margaret le Moyne:
a) GILBERT PECCHE, of Great Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Felsham,
Suffolk, son and heir, minor in 1296. In 1313–1314 Gilbert son of
John Pecche conveyed three knights’ fees and appurtenances in Great
Bealings, Grundisburgh, and Felsham, Suffolk to Gilbert Pecche
[presumably his uncle]. In 1313–1314 Gilbert son of John Pecche put
in his claim to the manor and advowson of Felsham, Suffolk, it being
then conveyed by Edmund Pecche and his wife Margaret to Hugh de
Morieux] and his son John. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk
(1900): 129, 131. IPMs 5 (1908): 141, 187.
ii. EDMUND PECCHE, 2nd son. He or his son is probably the Edmund
Pecche who with a wife Margaret conveyed the manor and advowson of
Felsham, Suffolk in 1313–1314 to Hugh de Morieux and his son John. He
is probably a different individual from the Edmund Pecche who held the
manor of Eye (in Horningsea), Cambridgeshire in 1279. Edmund Pecche,
of Eye, died in 1285, and was succeeded by his son, Thomas Pecche,
Knt., who held the fee of the Bishop c.1303. In 1303–1304, as “Thomas
son of Edmund Pecche,” he put in his claim to property at Little
Blakenham, Veteri Tunstall, and Braunford, Suffolk. Nicolas
Controversy between Scrope & Grosvenor 2 (1832): 184. Banks Baronies
in Fees 1 (1844): 363–364 (sub Peche). Eyton Antiqs. of Shropshire 9
(1859): 68–69 (Pecche-Peverel pedigree). Glanville-Richards Recs. of
the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville (1882): 14, 18 (Peche pedigree)
(Edmund Peche [presumably a different individual] is placed as the son
of Sir Amaury Peche, died 1288. This Edmund left a son, Thomas Peche,
aged 9 in 1296). Duchess of Cleveland, Battle Abbey Roll 2 (1889):
396. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 107, 131. Procs.
Suffolk Institute of Arch. & Natural Hist. 11 (1903): 178 (Edward
[recte Edmund] Pecche listed as lord of Felsham, Suffolk c.1316).
Clark, Liber Memorandorum Ecclesie de Bernewelle (1907): 48–50. Cal.
IPMs 5 (1908): 270. Feudal Aids 5 (1908): 46. VCH Cambridge 10
(2002): 163–165.
iii. MARGERY PECCHE, married before 25 Nov. 1271 (date of fine)
NICHOLAS DE CRIOL (or CRIOLL, CRYOL, CRYELL), Knt., of Eynsford,
Stockbury, Walmer, Westenhanger, &c., Kent, Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire, Sarre, Kent, Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire, Benhall,
Suffolk, etc., son and heir of Nicholas de Criol, of Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire, Sarre, Kent, Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire, Benhall,
Suffolk, etc., Warden of the Cinque Ports, by his 1st wife, Joan,
daughter of William d’Auberville, Knt. He was born about 1261 (minor
in 1272, of age c.1282). They had one son, Nicholas. In 1271 her
father, Gilbert Pecche, conveyed a messuage and two carucates of land
in Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire and a carucate of land in Sarre, Kent
to Nicholas and his wife, Margery. In 1291–1292 Nicholas conveyed the
manor of Benhall, Suffolk to Guy Ferre. SIR NICHOLAS DE CRIOL died 12
October 1303. The dower of his widow, Margery, was ordered to be
assigned to her 1 Jan. 1303/4. Margery had license to remarry 20 June
1304, but the name of her 2nd husband is not known. Margery may have
married (2nd) Ralph le Sauvage, as in 1303–1304, a Ralph le Sauvage
and Margaret his wife conveyed the manor of Benhall, Suffolk to Guy
Ferre; this manor had previously been settled on Margery Pecche and
her 1st husband, Nicholas de Criol, by his father at the time of their
marriage. Margery died c.1313. Hasted, Hist. & Top. Survey of Kent 5
(1798): 33–45. Elvin, Hist. of Walmer & Walmer Castle (1894): 45.
East Anglian n.s. 6 (1895–6): 378. C.P.R. 1301–1307 (1898): 236
(editor erroneously refers to license granted in 1304 to Margery,
widow of John Cryel; original document, however, calls her Margery,
widow of Nicholas de Cryel). Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk
(1900): 95, 108. Copinger, County of Suffolk 1 (1904): 173. C.P.R.
1266–1272 (1913): 623. C.P. 3 (1913): 542 (sub Criol). Farrer,
Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 83–84. Churchill, Cal. of Kent Feet of
Fines (Kent Recs. 15) (1956): 419. Cotton, Hist. & Antiq. of the
Church and Parish of St. Laurence, Thanet (1895): 171–176. VCH
Cambridge 10 (2002): 106–109.
Child of Margery Pecche, by Nicholas de Criol:
1). NICHOLAS DR CRIOL, of Sarre and Walmer, Kent, Constable of
Dover Castle, Warden of the Cinque Ports, Admiral of the Fleet west of
the Thames, son and heir, born at Sarre, Kent 29 Dec. 1282. He
married ROSE _____. They had one son, John, Knt. In 1313–1314 a
settlement of the manor of Walmer, Kent was made on Nicholas and his
wife, Rose, and the heirs of Nicholas. He was first summoned for
military service in 1319. NICHOLAS DE CRIOL died in 1330. His widow,
Rose, married (2nd) JOHN BERTRAM. Elvin, Hist. of Walmer & Walmer
Castle (1894): 45–46. Cotton, Hist. & Antiq. of the Church and Parish
of St. Laurence, Thanet (1895): 171–176.
wjhonson
From: Douglas Richardson <royala...@msn.com>
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 8:39 am
Subject: Maud de Hastings, wife of Gilbert Pecche, and her Family
<snip>
iii. MARGERY PECCHE, married before 25 Nov. 1271 (date of fine)
NICHOLAS DE CRIOL (or CRIOLL, CRYOL, CRYELL), Knt., of Eynsford,
Stockbury, Walmer, Westenhanger, &c., Kent, Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire, Sarre, Kent, Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire,
Benhall,
Suffolk, etc., son and heir of Nicholas de Criol, of Cherry Hinton,
Cambridgeshire, Sarre, Kent, Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire,
Benhall,
Suffolk, etc., Warden of the Cinque Ports, by his 1st wife, Joan,
daughter of William d’Auberville, Knt. He was born about 1261 (minor
in 1272, of age c.1282). They had one son, Nicholas. In 1271 her
father, Gilbert Pecche, conveyed a messuage and two carucates of land
in Cherry Hinton, Cambridgeshire and a carucate of land in Sarre,
Kent
to Nicholas and his wife, Margery.
</snip>
On the point of the age of Nicholas de Criol, Douglas has stated that
he was a minor in 1272 and of age c 1282.
I also have a note that Nicholas was named as a party in a lawsuit
dated 1278, which should mean that he was then an adult as well.
Will Johnson
Douglas Richardson
< On the point of the age of Nicholas de Criol, Douglas has stated
that
< he was a minor in 1272 and of age c 1282.
<
< I also have a note that Nicholas was named as a party in a lawsuit
< dated 1278, which should mean that he was then an adult as well.
<
< Will Johnson
Nicholas de Criol was still a minor in June 1280, when the king
granted Gregory de Rokesle, Mayor of London, all the issues arising
from the custody of the lands late of Nicholas de Crioll, during the
minority of Nicholas son and heir of the said Nicholas. He was
presumably an adult in June 1281, however, when he appointed attorneys
for one year in England, he then going beyond seas.
wjhonson
http://books.google.com/books?id=c4lJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA138&dq=Robert+tudenham&as_brr=1
citing evidently CPR 15E3
states that at that time the king has custody of the heir of Robert de
Tudenham
So it seems like there is a missing generation here.
That is the Robert who was "Aged 32" in 1312 must now be dead with an
heir, and so the one who d in 1361 must be that heir (or perhaps his
next brother)
Will Johnson
wjhonson
> A slight modification as thishttp://books.google.com/books?id=c4lJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA138&dq=Robert+tude...
>
> citing evidently CPR 15E3
> states that at that time the king has custody of the heir of Robert de
> Tudenham
>
> So it seems like there is a missing generation here.
>
> That is the Robert who was "Aged 32" in 1312 must now be dead with an
> heir, and so the one who d in 1361 must be that heir (or perhaps his
> next brother)
>
> Will Johnson
I've now reviewed the CPR entries, and for some bewilderingly bizarre
reason they don't tell us one of the most revealing points, which is
that in 1337, the dead Robert's "kinsman and heir" also named Robert,
son of Thomas, was then "Aged 12". That's extremely relevant!
I would then suppose that it was this boy who later married Catherine
Pateshull.
Will Johnson
wjhonson
Trying to be coy and crafty are we?
You weren't going to tell me that this family is ancestry to....
Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York.
(Just when you thought you were safe.)