Complete Peerage Addition: Marriage date of Edmund de Mortimer and Margaret de Fiennes
Douglas Richardson
The authoritative Complete Peerage, 9 (1936):281-283 (sub Mortimer)
includes a good account of the life history of Sir Edmund de Mortimer,
1st Lord Mortimer (died 1304). Regarding his marriage, the following
information is provided:
"He married, circa 1285, Margaret, daughter of Sir William de Fenles
(or de Fienes), 2nd cousin of Eleanor of Castile, Queen of Edward I,
by Blanche de Brienne." END OF QUOTE.
The source given for the date of Edmund and Margaret's marriage is
Cal. Charter Rolls, vol. ii, pg. 328, which shows that certain manors
were granted to Edmund and Margaret his wife on 6 Jan. 1285/6.
Actually Edmund and Margaret were married before 12 December 1285, as
indicated by the record below:
"29. Stokes respondebit xijo die Decembris [1285] Rogero de Stokes
clerico eunti ad capiendam seysinam de manerio de Markel' per
perceptum regis de quo dominus Edmundus de Mortuo Mari feofabit uxorem
suam, xxx s. unde respondebit." [Reference: Benjamin F. Byerly and
Catherine Ridder Byerly, Records of the Wardrobe and Household,
1285-1286 (1986), pg. 4].
Complete Peerage is correct in stating that Margaret de Fiennes was
near kinswoman to Queen Eleanor of Castile through her father, Sir
William de Fiennes, seigneur of Fiennes. However, Margaret was also
near kinswoman to both King Edward I of England and his wife, Queen
Eleanor of Castile, through her mother, Blanche de Brienne. King
Edward I, Queen Eleanor of Castile, and Blanche de Brienne are all
lineal descendants of King Henry II of England and his wife, Eleanor
of Aquitaine.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New
World immigrants that descend from Sir Edmund de Mortimer and his
wife, Margaret de Fiennes:
Robert Abell, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Barbara Aubrey, Anne
Baynton, Richard & William Bernard, John Bevan, Essex Beville, William
Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Joseph Bolles, Thomas Booth,
Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Edward Bromfield,
Stephen Bull, Charles Calvert, Edward Carleton, Kenelm Cheseldine,
Grace Chetwode, Jeremy Clarke, St. Leger Codd, Francis Dade, Humphrey
Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, Thomas
Dudley, Rowland Ellis, William Farrar, John Fenwick, John Fisher,
Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Elizabeth & John Harleston, Warham
Horsmanden, Anne Humphrey, Matthew Kempe, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel
& Sarah Levis, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd,
Percival Lowell, Thomas Lunsford, Agnes Mackworth, Anne, Elizabeth &
John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Richard
More, Joseph & Mary Need, John Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas
Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Herbert Pelham, Robert Peyton, Henry &
William Randolph, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas Rudyard,
Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, Anthony Savage, William
Skepper, Diana & Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, John Stockman,
Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Touteville, John & Lawrence
Washington, John West, Thomas Wingfield, Hawte Wyatt.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Merilyn Pedrick
Dear Douglas
Once again, poor old James Cudworth seems to have missed out!
I have his descent from Edmund de Mortimer and Margaret de Fiennes as:
Edmund de Mortimer b. 1251 m. Margaret de Fiennes
Roger IV de Mortimer b. 1287 m. Jeanne de Geneville
Catherine de Mortimer b. 1310 m. Thomas de Beauchamp
Lady Maud de Beauchamp b. d. 1402 m. Roger V de Clifford
Catherine de Clifford b. 1358 m. Ralph de Greystokee
Maud de Greystoke m. Eudo de Welles
Lionel Welles, 6th Baron Welles b. 1406 m. Joan Waterton
Eleanor Welles m. Thomas Hoo, 1st Baron Hoo
Ann Hoo b. 1447 m. Roger Copley of Roughey, Sussex
Margaret Copley b. 1469 m. Edward Lewknor
Edward Lewknor b. 1521 m. Dorothy Wrothe
Mary Lewknor m. 1568 m. Matthew Machell
Mary Machell b. 1574 m. Rev. Ralph Cudworth
James Cudworth bap. 1612 m. Mary Parker
Please let me know if there are any errors in this line.
Best wishes
Merilyn Pedrick
-------Original Message-------
From: Douglas Richardson
Date: 12/13/07 03:45:17
Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Marriage date of Edmund de Mortimer and
Margaret de Fiennes
Dear Newsgroup ~
information is provided:
of Aquitaine.
wife, Margaret de Fiennes:
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wjhonson
>
> Ann Hoo b. 1447 m. Roger Copley of Roughey, Sussex
>
> Margaret Copley b. 1469 m. Edward Lewknor
>
> Merilyn Pedrick
What source gives us an exact birth year for Margaret Copley ?
Thanks
Will Johnson
wjhonson
> Catherine de Mortimer b. 1310 m. Thomas de Beauchamp
>
> Lady Maud de Beauchamp b. d. 1402 m. Roger V de Clifford
>
> Catherine de Clifford b. 1358 m. Ralph de Greystokee
>
Similarly, what source gives an exact birthyear for Catherine de
Mortimer ? I only have a 17-year span.
Thanks
Will Johnson