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Husbands of Cecily, daughter of John Bonvile and Alice Denys
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Jakub Mirza Lipka via
Oct 15, 2014, 9:55:48 PM10/15/14
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Several years ago there was some discussion concerning John Bonvile, illegitimate son of William Lord Bonville of Chewton, and of the possible three marriages of his daughter Cecily. The documents below provide some evidence of Cecily's three marriages and her Bonvile / Denys descent.
C 1/372/76
Plaintiffs: Thomas Wyvell and Cycyll, his wife. Defendants: Richard More, clerk.
Subject: Detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Ralegh. Devon
Date: 1504-1515
The complaint of Thomas Wyvell and his wife Cycyll is addressed to William Warham, Chancellor, 1502-1515. They say that they were seased of the manor of Comb Ralegh [former Denys property] in the right of Cycyll and that Richard More, Clerk [brother of her late husband Maurice] is withholding the charters, etc.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no372/IMG_0127.htm
C1/381/4
Plaintiffs: John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Ralegh.
Defendants: Cecile Wyvell, widow.
The dispute appears to relate to the chantry in Comb Ralegh founded by John Bonvile and his wife Alice, Hugh Denys and others. Cecile claims the property in question as her inheritance - "the said Cecile saith that she and oon Alice Bonvile wido her moder were seassed of...."
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0007.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0008.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0009.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0010.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0011.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0013.htm
C 1/462/29
Plaintiffs: John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Raleigh church of the chantry of William and Joan Denys.
Defendants: James Notte and Cecily, his wife, formerly Wyvell, and Thomas Meneffe.
Subject: Lands, rents, and services in Combe Raleigh and Awliscombe, adjudged to complainant by a former decree.
1518-1529
C 1/1039/62
Plaintiffs: James Notte and Cecily his wife, executrix and late the wife of Maurice More, esquire.
Defendants: Thomas Vawtard and Agnes his wife.
Subject: Detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land in Cullompton of the demise of the late abbot and convent of Buckland. Devon
Date: 1538-1544
C 1/372/76
Plaintiffs: Thomas Wyvell and Cycyll, his wife. Defendants: Richard More, clerk.
Subject: Detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Ralegh. Devon
Date: 1504-1515
The complaint of Thomas Wyvell and his wife Cycyll is addressed to William Warham, Chancellor, 1502-1515. They say that they were seased of the manor of Comb Ralegh [former Denys property] in the right of Cycyll and that Richard More, Clerk [brother of her late husband Maurice] is withholding the charters, etc.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no372/IMG_0127.htm
C1/381/4
Plaintiffs: John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Ralegh.
Defendants: Cecile Wyvell, widow.
The dispute appears to relate to the chantry in Comb Ralegh founded by John Bonvile and his wife Alice, Hugh Denys and others. Cecile claims the property in question as her inheritance - "the said Cecile saith that she and oon Alice Bonvile wido her moder were seassed of...."
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0007.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0008.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0009.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0010.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0011.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no381/IMG_0013.htm
C 1/462/29
Plaintiffs: John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Raleigh church of the chantry of William and Joan Denys.
Defendants: James Notte and Cecily, his wife, formerly Wyvell, and Thomas Meneffe.
Subject: Lands, rents, and services in Combe Raleigh and Awliscombe, adjudged to complainant by a former decree.
1518-1529
C 1/1039/62
Plaintiffs: James Notte and Cecily his wife, executrix and late the wife of Maurice More, esquire.
Defendants: Thomas Vawtard and Agnes his wife.
Subject: Detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land in Cullompton of the demise of the late abbot and convent of Buckland. Devon
Date: 1538-1544
Douglas Richardson
Oct 16, 2014, 12:41:33 PM10/16/14
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Dear Jacob ~
Thank you for your good post regarding Cecily Bonville. Much appreciated.
I've copied below my current file account regarding Cecily Bonville (living 1544-51) and her three husbands, Maurice More (or Moore), Esq., Thomas Wyvell, Gent., and James Notte, Esq. or Gent.
Cecily Bonville definitely had issue by her first two marriages. Recently, however, someone contacted me offline and said they believed that Cecily was also the mother of her third husband's son, James Notte. That is barely possible chronologically. Do you have any particulars on this?
The More pedigree in the 1564 Visitation of Devon mentions Cecily Bonville's three husbands, but only assigns her issue by her first two marriages. See Colby, Vis. of Devon 1564 (1881): 161 (More ped.), which may viewed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=B34_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA161
Worthy, Devonshire Wills (1896): 349-350, however, indicates that Cecily Bonville had surviving issue by her Notte marriage.
The following lawsuit appear to pertain to the younger James Notte, who was suing sometime in the period, 1558-1603, regarding his father's estate.
Reference: C 2/Eliz/N2/14
Plaintiffs: James Nott.
Defendants: John Nott.
Subject: Claim as heir. A tenement and 200 acres of land called Bigbroke [Bigbrook], in the parish of Aytheraffe [Aishraffe] alias Roseayshe [Rose Ash], Devon late the estate of James Nott deceased, plaintiff's father.
Date: Between 1558 and 1603
For interest's sake, the following is the one known 17th Century New World immigrant that descends from Cecily Bonville and her 1st husband, Maurice More, Esq.:
Jane Greene, wife of William Pole (or Poole)
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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18. CECILY BONVILLE, married (1st) MAURICE MORE (or MOORE), Esq., of Moorhays (in Collumpton), Devon, son of John More, of Moorhays (in Collumpton), Devon, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of John Clivedon. They had two sons, Humphrey and Christopher, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Richard Marshall) and Ellen. MAURICE MORE, Esq., died in 1500. His widow, Cecily, married (2nd) about 22 Jan. 1505/6 (date of grant) THOMAS WYVELL (or WIVELL), Gent., of Brixton and Crediton, Devon, son and heir of John Wyvell, of Kirton and Crediton, Devon, by Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John Brixton. He was born about 1477 (aged 30 in 1507). They had four sons, William, Anthony, Nicholas, and Thomas, and one daughter, Philippe (wife of Henry Isam). In the period, 1504-15, he and his wife, Cecily, sued Richard More, clerk, in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon. In 1512 James Chudleigh, Esq., sued Thomas Wyvell, Gent., of Brixton, Devon regarding the abduction of a minor ward, Humphrey, kinsman [i.e., grandson] and heir of John Mor [More]. THOMAS WYVELL, Gent., died testate 10 March 1518/9. In the period, 1515-18 [sic], John Adams, chaplain of the chapel of Our Lady and St. Erasmus the Martyr in the church of Combe Raleigh, Devon, sued his widow, Cecily, in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the chantry of William Denys and Joan, his wife, in the said chapel, on the north side of the church, founded by John Bonville and Alice, his wife, 26 November 1498. Cecily married (3rd) JAMES NOTTE (or NOTT), Esq. or Gent., of Wembury, Devon, and, in right of his wife, of Combe Raleigh, Devon, son and heir of John Notte. They had one son, James. In the period, 1518-29, John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Raleigh church of the chantry of William and Joan Denys sued James Notte and Cecily, his wife, formerly Wyvell, and Thomas Meneffe in Chancery regarding lands, rents, and services in Combe Raleigh and Awliscombe, Devon, adjudged to complainant by a former decree. In 1525 Thomas Hext sued James Notte, Gent., of Wembury, Devon regarding a debt of five marks. In 1530 James and his wife, Cecily, widow and executrix of Thomas Wyvell, executor of John Wyvell, Gent., sued John, Prior of Plumpton Priory in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £16 12s. 8d. In 1533 Richard Gylle, Abbot of Newham, leased James Notte, Esq., Nicholas Wyvell, and Thomas Wyvell two grist mills in Axminster, Devon at an annual rent of £5. In the period, 1538-44, James and Cecily, his wife, executrix and late the wife of Maurice More, Esq., sued Thomas Vawtard and Agnes his wife in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land in Cullompton, Devon, of the demise of the late abbot and convent of Buckland. In the same period, James Notte, Gent., great-grandson and heir of Thomas Westcote, sued John Marschall, parson of East Buckland, Devon, regarding the detention of deeds relating to part of the barton of Westcote in East Buckland, Devon. In the period, 1544-51, John More, Knt., son and heir of Humphrey More, sued James and his wife, Cecily, regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon bought of the defendants. In the period, 1551-3, James Nott, Gent., of Combe Raleigh, Devon sued Rychard late the wife of William Lucas, of Watchet, clothier, and now called Correy, and others in Chancery regarding a loan to the said Lucas, whose executors the defendants are. In 1556-58 Christopher Argentyne, Elizabeth his wife, and Lewis their son sued John More, Knt. regarding a capital messuage, etc. belonging to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon, demised to defendant without a warranty against a rent payable to James Nott, Esq.
References:
Lysons, Magna Britannia 6(2) (1822): 138. Pulman, Book of the Axe (1875): 706. Rogers, Antient Sepulchral Effigies (1877): 217. Colby, Vis. of Devon 1564 (1881): 161 (More ped.). Rpt. & Trans. of the Devonshire Assoc. 18 (1886): 333-336. Vivian, Vis. of Devon 1531, 1564 & 1620 (1895): 101-103 (Bonville ped.), 572-573 (Moore ped.), 828 (Wyvell ped.). Worthy, Devonshire Wills (1896): 349-350. Abstract of IPMs of John Wevell taken 1507 and Thomas Wevell taken 1519 on file at Devon Rec. Office, Exeter, Devon [available on FHL Microfilm 917256]. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/998, image 1025d (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/H8/CP40no998/bCP40no998dorses/IMG_1025.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1046, image 377f (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1046/aCP40no1046fronts/IMG_0377.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1064, image 6687f (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1064/aCP40no1064fronts/IMG_6687.htm). Devon Rec. Office: Petre, 123M/E1074 (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). National Archives, C 1/372/76, C 1/381/4, C 1/462/29, C 1/1039/58-61; C 1/1039/62, C 1/1246/53-56; C 1/1311/56-57; C 1/1398/48-50 (available at http:// discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
Thank you for your good post regarding Cecily Bonville. Much appreciated.
I've copied below my current file account regarding Cecily Bonville (living 1544-51) and her three husbands, Maurice More (or Moore), Esq., Thomas Wyvell, Gent., and James Notte, Esq. or Gent.
Cecily Bonville definitely had issue by her first two marriages. Recently, however, someone contacted me offline and said they believed that Cecily was also the mother of her third husband's son, James Notte. That is barely possible chronologically. Do you have any particulars on this?
The More pedigree in the 1564 Visitation of Devon mentions Cecily Bonville's three husbands, but only assigns her issue by her first two marriages. See Colby, Vis. of Devon 1564 (1881): 161 (More ped.), which may viewed at the following weblink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=B34_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA161
Worthy, Devonshire Wills (1896): 349-350, however, indicates that Cecily Bonville had surviving issue by her Notte marriage.
The following lawsuit appear to pertain to the younger James Notte, who was suing sometime in the period, 1558-1603, regarding his father's estate.
Reference: C 2/Eliz/N2/14
Plaintiffs: James Nott.
Defendants: John Nott.
Subject: Claim as heir. A tenement and 200 acres of land called Bigbroke [Bigbrook], in the parish of Aytheraffe [Aishraffe] alias Roseayshe [Rose Ash], Devon late the estate of James Nott deceased, plaintiff's father.
Date: Between 1558 and 1603
For interest's sake, the following is the one known 17th Century New World immigrant that descends from Cecily Bonville and her 1st husband, Maurice More, Esq.:
Jane Greene, wife of William Pole (or Poole)
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + +
18. CECILY BONVILLE, married (1st) MAURICE MORE (or MOORE), Esq., of Moorhays (in Collumpton), Devon, son of John More, of Moorhays (in Collumpton), Devon, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of John Clivedon. They had two sons, Humphrey and Christopher, and two daughters, Elizabeth (wife of Richard Marshall) and Ellen. MAURICE MORE, Esq., died in 1500. His widow, Cecily, married (2nd) about 22 Jan. 1505/6 (date of grant) THOMAS WYVELL (or WIVELL), Gent., of Brixton and Crediton, Devon, son and heir of John Wyvell, of Kirton and Crediton, Devon, by Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of John Brixton. He was born about 1477 (aged 30 in 1507). They had four sons, William, Anthony, Nicholas, and Thomas, and one daughter, Philippe (wife of Henry Isam). In the period, 1504-15, he and his wife, Cecily, sued Richard More, clerk, in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon. In 1512 James Chudleigh, Esq., sued Thomas Wyvell, Gent., of Brixton, Devon regarding the abduction of a minor ward, Humphrey, kinsman [i.e., grandson] and heir of John Mor [More]. THOMAS WYVELL, Gent., died testate 10 March 1518/9. In the period, 1515-18 [sic], John Adams, chaplain of the chapel of Our Lady and St. Erasmus the Martyr in the church of Combe Raleigh, Devon, sued his widow, Cecily, in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to the chantry of William Denys and Joan, his wife, in the said chapel, on the north side of the church, founded by John Bonville and Alice, his wife, 26 November 1498. Cecily married (3rd) JAMES NOTTE (or NOTT), Esq. or Gent., of Wembury, Devon, and, in right of his wife, of Combe Raleigh, Devon, son and heir of John Notte. They had one son, James. In the period, 1518-29, John Adams, chantry priest in Combe Raleigh church of the chantry of William and Joan Denys sued James Notte and Cecily, his wife, formerly Wyvell, and Thomas Meneffe in Chancery regarding lands, rents, and services in Combe Raleigh and Awliscombe, Devon, adjudged to complainant by a former decree. In 1525 Thomas Hext sued James Notte, Gent., of Wembury, Devon regarding a debt of five marks. In 1530 James and his wife, Cecily, widow and executrix of Thomas Wyvell, executor of John Wyvell, Gent., sued John, Prior of Plumpton Priory in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £16 12s. 8d. In 1533 Richard Gylle, Abbot of Newham, leased James Notte, Esq., Nicholas Wyvell, and Thomas Wyvell two grist mills in Axminster, Devon at an annual rent of £5. In the period, 1538-44, James and Cecily, his wife, executrix and late the wife of Maurice More, Esq., sued Thomas Vawtard and Agnes his wife in Chancery regarding the detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land in Cullompton, Devon, of the demise of the late abbot and convent of Buckland. In the same period, James Notte, Gent., great-grandson and heir of Thomas Westcote, sued John Marschall, parson of East Buckland, Devon, regarding the detention of deeds relating to part of the barton of Westcote in East Buckland, Devon. In the period, 1544-51, John More, Knt., son and heir of Humphrey More, sued James and his wife, Cecily, regarding the detention of deeds relating to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon bought of the defendants. In the period, 1551-3, James Nott, Gent., of Combe Raleigh, Devon sued Rychard late the wife of William Lucas, of Watchet, clothier, and now called Correy, and others in Chancery regarding a loan to the said Lucas, whose executors the defendants are. In 1556-58 Christopher Argentyne, Elizabeth his wife, and Lewis their son sued John More, Knt. regarding a capital messuage, etc. belonging to the manor of Combe Raleigh, Devon, demised to defendant without a warranty against a rent payable to James Nott, Esq.
References:
Lysons, Magna Britannia 6(2) (1822): 138. Pulman, Book of the Axe (1875): 706. Rogers, Antient Sepulchral Effigies (1877): 217. Colby, Vis. of Devon 1564 (1881): 161 (More ped.). Rpt. & Trans. of the Devonshire Assoc. 18 (1886): 333-336. Vivian, Vis. of Devon 1531, 1564 & 1620 (1895): 101-103 (Bonville ped.), 572-573 (Moore ped.), 828 (Wyvell ped.). Worthy, Devonshire Wills (1896): 349-350. Abstract of IPMs of John Wevell taken 1507 and Thomas Wevell taken 1519 on file at Devon Rec. Office, Exeter, Devon [available on FHL Microfilm 917256]. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/998, image 1025d (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/H8/CP40no998/bCP40no998dorses/IMG_1025.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1046, image 377f (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1046/aCP40no1046fronts/IMG_0377.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1064, image 6687f (available at http:// aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1064/aCP40no1064fronts/IMG_6687.htm). Devon Rec. Office: Petre, 123M/E1074 (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). National Archives, C 1/372/76, C 1/381/4, C 1/462/29, C 1/1039/58-61; C 1/1039/62, C 1/1246/53-56; C 1/1311/56-57; C 1/1398/48-50 (available at http:// discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
Douglas Richardson
Oct 16, 2014, 1:28:15 PM10/16/14
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Jacob ~
Here are abstracts of two Common Pleas lawsuits dated 1546 and 1554 regarding James Notte, Esq., the third husband of Cecily Bonville:
In 1546 James Nott, Esq., sued Philip Courtenay, Esq., and Dorothy his wife in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Ellishays (in Combe Raleigh) and various lands in Combe Raleigh and Combe Coffin, Devon, which Richard More, Gent., granted the said Nott by fine in the king's court. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1127, image 2228d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H8/CP40no1127/bCP40no1127dorses/IMG_2228.htm).
Note: Pole, Collections towards a Description of Devon (1791): 132 states that Ellishays (in Combe Raleigh), Devon "was a freeholt of this mannor, & the land of James Nott, gentleman, was by James Nott his son sold unto ......")
In 1554 William Harrys, Esq. sued James Nott, Esq., of Combe Raleigh, Devon in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. References: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1157, image 140d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/M/CP40no1157/bCP40no1157dorses/IMG_0140.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1157, image 1321d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/M/CP40no1157/bCP40no1157dorses/IMG_1321.htm).
Pole's statement indicates that James Notte's heir was his son, James Notte the younger.
Here are abstracts of two Common Pleas lawsuits dated 1546 and 1554 regarding James Notte, Esq., the third husband of Cecily Bonville:
In 1546 James Nott, Esq., sued Philip Courtenay, Esq., and Dorothy his wife in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Ellishays (in Combe Raleigh) and various lands in Combe Raleigh and Combe Coffin, Devon, which Richard More, Gent., granted the said Nott by fine in the king's court. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1127, image 2228d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H8/CP40no1127/bCP40no1127dorses/IMG_2228.htm).
Note: Pole, Collections towards a Description of Devon (1791): 132 states that Ellishays (in Combe Raleigh), Devon "was a freeholt of this mannor, & the land of James Nott, gentleman, was by James Nott his son sold unto ......")
In 1554 William Harrys, Esq. sued James Nott, Esq., of Combe Raleigh, Devon in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. References: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1157, image 140d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/M/CP40no1157/bCP40no1157dorses/IMG_0140.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/1157, image 1321d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/M/CP40no1157/bCP40no1157dorses/IMG_1321.htm).
Pole's statement indicates that James Notte's heir was his son, James Notte the younger.
Jakub Mirza Lipka via
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The earliest mention I can find of Cecily as wife of James Nott dates to 1525 when there was a concord between James and Cecily and her son, Humphrey More over the manor of Combe Raleigh.
cp40/1046 image 44 f
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1046/aCP40no1046fronts/IMG_0044.htm
As Cecily had mothered around 7 children from her first two marriages. it is just possible, although unlikely, that she could have had a son with James Nott. However, I do not believe that Worthy can be relied upon that Cecily was the mother of James Nott's son James without independent corroboration. Mr. Pike-Nott whom Worthy suggests is a descendant of James and Cecily was one of the friends who received a free copy of Devonshire Wills. Worthy also claims that Mr. Pike-Nott has descent from Bellew of Alverdiscott and Dennis of Orleigh, again without providing checkable links. Worthy may just have have been flattering his friend.
>From 1525 to 1528, a James, son and heir of John Nott was being pursued by an Alice Wyll, widow over a maritagium. I am not sure if this is the same James Nott.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1046/aCP40no1046fronts/IMG_0951.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1049/bCP40no1049dorses/IMG_0743.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H8/CP40no1055/aCP40no1055fronts/IMG_0089.htm
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H8/CP40no1057/aCP40no1057fronts/IMG_5579.htm
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