OT but related: Conection between St. Anthony of Padua and Froila I
jef...@iquest.net
is one that I'm familiar with as it was passed down among my own Bouillon ancestors
as well. My Bouillons, however, can only be traced back to the 17th century
in Alsace-Lorraine. It does appear, however, that the de La Tour d'Auvergne
family (or at least the branch that gained the title of duc de Bouillon) also
claimed to be descended from Godfrey de Bouillon and related to St. Anthony
of Padua, but as far as I know, no such relationship has ever been documented.
It's also my impression, based upon various histories of the Crusades, that
Godfrey de Bouillon was in fact childless.
I'll have to check this, but I also seem to recall that James Anderson's *Royal
Genealogies* (1732) does give him at least one child (a daughter?), but even
if that is the case I'm not sure it's much proof of anything (other than why
Anderson needs to be taken with a "grain of salt").
Finally, there may be some discussion of this already in the archives as I think
I've posted a query about this at least once before.
One final note: I don't believe Godfrey ever took the title of "King of Jerusalem"
-- something like "Defender of the Holy Sepulchre" was the title he chose.
Cheers,
Jeff Duvall
Indy
jef...@iquest.net
or
jdu...@iupui.edu
>St. Anthony of Padua was son of Martin Bouillon, descendant of Godfrey de
>Bouillon, commander of the first Crusade and first King of Jerusalem.
>Can anybody help me in determining how he is such a descendant?
>His mother was Theresa Tavejra a supposed descendant of Froila I, fourth
>King of Asturias.
>Can anybody help me in determining how he is such a descendant?
>There are some references in Portugal that says he was also a cousin of Pero
>Paes da Maya (O Alferes), a good friend of our first King D. Afonso
>Henriques and his chief military commander.
>Any help in this so called relation with Pero Paes?
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Nathaniel Taylor
Jeff,
I'd be very interested in a source for the La Tour d'Auvergne claim to
descemt from Godfrey de Bouillon. The Cardinal de Bouillon commissioned
some audacious genealogical forgeries at the end of the eleventh
century, but with a different purpose.
Nat Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor
>In article <3dee2fa...@iquest.net>, jef...@iquest.net wrote:
>
>>This claim of a relationship between Godfrey de Bouillon and St. Anthony of
>>Padua is one that I'm familiar with as it was passed down among my own
>>Bouillon ancestors as well. My Bouillons, however, can only be traced back
>>to the 17th century in Alsace-Lorraine. It does appear, however, that the
>>de La Tour d'Auvergne family (or at least the branch that gained the title
>>of duc de Bouillon) also claimed to be descended from Godfrey de Bouillon
>>and related to St. Anthony of Padua, but as far as I know, no such
>>relationship has ever been documented. It's also my impression, based
>>upon various histories of the Crusades, that
>>Godfrey de Bouillon was in fact childless.
>>
>>I'll have to check this, but I also seem to recall that James Anderson's
>>*Royal Genealogies* (1732) does give him at least one child (a daughter?),
>>but even if that is the case I'm not sure it's much proof of anything
>>(other than why Anderson needs to be taken with a "grain of salt").
>
>Jeff,
>
>I'd be very interested in a source for the La Tour d'Auvergne claim to
>descemt from Godfrey de Bouillon. The Cardinal de Bouillon commissioned
>some audacious genealogical forgeries at the end of the eleventh
>century, but with a different purpose. ^^^^^^^^
Oops: seventeenth century. This was Cardinal Emmanuel Theodose de La
Tour d'Auvergne, brother of the duc de Bouillon. He commissioned forged
leaves ostensibly from the cartulary of Saint-Julien de Brioude, with
charters supporting an agnatic descent of the La Tour d'Auvergne family
from the earlier dukes of Auvergne (the family of William the Pious).
The obvious purpose was to make this family older than the Bourbons, an
audacity which the Sun King did not tolerate: the Cardinal was exiled
and the forgers were thrown in the Bastille.
Everyone now agrees that Godfrey died without heirs and presumably
without children, but let me check Anderson: do you have a page
reference for this?
Nat Taylor
Todd A. Farmerie
> One final note: I don't believe Godfrey ever took the title of "King of Jerusalem"
> -- something like "Defender of the Holy Sepulchre" was the title he chose.
This was evaluated by Murray in his study of the Crusader Kingdom
of Jerusalem. The whole question is complex. There is no
document in which Godfrey uses any title with respect to his role
in Jerusalem. He is described by various contemporaries as
princeps, rex, or advocatus. However, when viewed in their
individual contexts, reaching a definitive conclusion from any of
these sources seems problematic.
taf