Sir James Tyrrell (ex. 6 May 1502)

[ALAN O. WATKINS]

Sir James Tyrrell, said to be one of the Murderers of the Princes in the
Tower, married the daughter of Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond. Can
anyone put a name to the spouse? And does anyone have any record of their
offspring ?

MTIA
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Alan Watkins

alan-o-...@easynet.co.uk

[Adrian Channing]

Alan Watkins wrote,

> Sir James Tyrrell, said to be one of the Murderers of the Princes in the
> Tower, married the daughter of Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond. Can
> anyone put a name to the spouse? And does anyone have any record of their
> offspring ?

Sir William (-aft 1459 bur Austin Friars, London), of Gipping, Essex; m
Margaret d of ROBERT DARCY of Maldon and left (with others)

Sir James (-6 May 1502 bhd, Tower Hill); of Gipping; Yorkist; In 1471 at
Tewkesbury battle & knighted; In 1477 MP for Cornwall; In Scottish wars;
Master of Horse to Richard III (but possibly confused with his brother Sir
Thomas also shown as Master of Horse to Richard III); Steward of duchy of
Cornwall and chamberlain of th exchequer; In 1485 created lt of Guisnes
(Calais) Castle for life; given posts in Wales by Henry VII; tried for
treason, confessed to the murder of the princes; m Anne d of Sir John
Arundell of Lanherne, Cornwall and left

a) Sir Thomas (-1551 Will 12 June 1551); On 13 Apr 1504 pardoned of his
father's crimes and in 1507 estates restored; m 1529 Margaret d of
Christopher Willoughby Lord Willoughby of Parham; descendants at Gipping
and Stowmarket.

b) Sir James; of Columbine Hall; m Anne d of John Hotoft of Columbine Hall
and left Margery who m Richard Gurneys.

c) William

d) Anne (1479 Gipping - aft Nov 1529) m Sir Richard of Nettlestead son of
Sir Henry Wentworth of Nettlested by his m1 to Anne Say. Sir Henry
Wentworth m2 Elizabeth d of John Nevill Marques of Montague.

The above, with much more on Sir James ancestors and descendants from O F
Brown's "The Tyrells of England", published by Phillimore, 1982.

regards, Adrian

>
Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com

[ED MANN]

ALAN O. WATKINS wrote:
>
> Sir James Tyrrell, said to be one of the Murderers of the Princes in the
> Tower, married the daughter of Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond. Can
> anyone put a name to the spouse? And does anyone have any record of their
> offspring ?

Dunno about that, but I do have:

Descendants of James Tyrrell

1 Sir James Tyrrell ref #: (F130:5)
+Anne Arundell ref #: (F130:5)
2 Anne Tyrrell d: Aft. 11 Nov 1529 ref #: (F130:5)
+Sir Richard Wentworth b: Abt. 1485 d: 17 Oct 1528 ref #: F130:5
3 Sir Thomas Wentworth aka: 1st Baron Wentworth b: Abt. 1500 d: 3 Mar
1550/51 ref #: F130:4
+Margaret Fortescue d: Abt. 1548 ref #: F195:5i
3 Dorothy Wentworth ref #: W37-15
+Sir Lionel Tollemache

Anyone have anything on James Tyrrell's ancestry?

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]

[Reedpcgen]

I believe the Tyrrell ancestry is feebly traced back to the Tyrrell who shot
William Ruffus in Morant's History of Essex [Philip Morant (1763-8), 2 vols.],
various visitations, etc. I can't recall a definitive study of this family.

pcr

[U...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/29/98 5:31:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM writes:

>
> Anyone have anything on James Tyrrell's ancestry?
>
> --
> FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
> Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
>

Descendants of William Tyrell

1 William Tyrell b: of Gipping, ESS, ENG d: Aft. 1459
.. +Margaret Darcy
2 James Tyrell d: 6-May-1502 Tower Hill, London, ENG
.. +Anne Arundell
3 Anne Tyrell b: 1479 Gipping, ESS, ENG
.. +Richard Wentworth b: Nettlestead d: 17-Oct-1528
4 Thomas Wentworth, Sir
.. +Margaret Fontescue
4 Dorothy Wentworth
.. +Lionel Tollemache, Sir
3 Thomas Tyrell, Sir d: 1551
.. +Margaret Willoughby
3 James Tyrell, Sir b: of Columbine Hall
.. +Anne Hotoft
3 William Tyrell

Always optimistic--Dave

[Benjamin Hertzel]

> Descendants of William Tyrell
>
> 1 William Tyrell b: of Gipping, ESS, ENG d: Aft. 1459
> .. +Margaret Darcy

Any idea who Margaret Darcy's parents were?

Benjamin

[Adrian Channing]

Benjamin wrote;

Margaret dau of Robert Darcy (-bur Holy Trinity chapel, All Hallows church,
Malden) of Maldon by Alice (-1448/9 bur Holy trinity chapel) d&ch of Henry
Fitzlangley and widow of John Ingole, a rich merchant of Maldon, Essex

Margaret's sisters:

1) Eleanor m Sir William Tyrell of Heron (-14 Apr 1471 bat of Barnet field)
2) Anne m Montgomery
3) Alice m John Clopton of Kentwall
4) Elizabeth m Henry Bruyn (-c1461)
5) Catherine m Robert Crane

and her brothers:

1) Sir Robert (-1469/70); Of Maldon and Danbury; In 1420 sheriff of Essex
and Herts; m Elizabeth d of Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476) of Heron.
She m2 Richard Haute. Descendants Baron Darcy of Chiche and Viscount
Colchester.

2) John (aka Thomas); Of Tolleshunt, Essex in right of his m2; m1 Anne d of
Sir Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397- 1476) of Heron (his brother's sister in law
and his sister's brother in law! - perhaps it was a triple wedding?); m2 a
d&gh of Bois/Boys of Tolleshunt and left issue by m2 Darcy's of Tollishunt

There is a little inconsistency here in that Margaret's husband William
Tyrell was younger brother of Thomas Tyrell (bfr 1397-1476) of Heron, and
thus a generation above her sisters' marriages. I guess she was auntie to
her sisters etc etc.

BTW A brother of William Tyrell (-1471) was Thomas (-c1481) m Elizabeth d&h
of Henry Bruin of South Ockendon and left Tyrells of South Ockendon. Henry
Bruin or Brun is a descendant of the Bruns just mentioned in my message
Rokele/Rokesley.

(Sources, mainly from Burke's Extinct Peerage 1883 and O F Brown's Tyrells
of England)

Regards Adrian

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Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com

[U...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/30/98 8:28:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ja...@midas.millcomm.com writes:

> > Descendants of William Tyrell
> >
> > 1 William Tyrell b: of Gipping, ESS, ENG d: Aft. 1459
> > .. +Margaret Darcy
>
> Any idea who Margaret Darcy's parents were?
>

> Benjamin
>
I have only Robert Darcy, of Maldon--no source.

Always optimistic--Dave

[Justin C.S. Howery]

Was the Jane Tirrell, born about 1510, married Edmund Lewknor, of
Tangmere, Sussex, a member of this family?

On 29 Sep 1998 16:47:38 -0700, ACha...@compuserve.com (Adrian
Channing) wrote:

>
>Alan Watkins wrote,

>
>> Sir James Tyrrell, said to be one of the Murderers of the Princes in the
>> Tower, married the daughter of Thomas Butler, 7th Earl of Ormond. Can
>> anyone put a name to the spouse? And does anyone have any record of their
>> offspring ?
>
>

[Adrian Channing]

I have not be able to find this m. in neither my Tyrell nor my Lewknor
notes, nor can I see it mentioned in O F Browne's "Tyrells of England", but
as this book is not indexed, it may be there somewhere.

regards Adrian

Justin C.S. Howery wrote

Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com

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