William Neville (Earl of Kent)
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"Dionice" b.ca.1418 d.1437 m.ca.1392 Thomas Brockett. Need help confirming
this and obtaining their descendants.
Thanks, Joanne D. Fay
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>"Dionice" b.ca.1418 d.1437 m.ca.1392 Thomas Brockett. Need help confirming
>this and obtaining their descendants.
>
This, of course, was the famous heiress Joan Faucomberge, b. 1406, and though
"a fool and idiot from birth" she was allowed inheritance and married to
William Neville, 8th son of Ralph, Earl of Westmorland, by his wife Joan,
daughter of John, Duke of Lancaster. [CP 5:281-6]
William was created Earl of Kent. He died without legitimate male issue in
1462/3. His heirs were his three daughters, (1) Joan, then wife of Sir Edward
Bethum (d. s. p.), (2) Elizabeth, wife of Richard Strangways, and (3) Alice,
wife of John Conyers.
William had illegitimate sons, one of whom was mentioned in the Paston Letters.
Any "Dionice" would not have been legitimate, if daughter of William, and
would not have been by Joan. But as William married Joan before 28 April 1422,
when she was still quite young, and he was not knighted until 1426, I think you
aare looking at a chronologically impossible connection.
It was said that the daughter Joan, who died without issue, as is clear from
the documents that followed their father's death (their mother survived her
daughters, dying aged 84), survived her first husband, Sir Edward Beetham, then
married Nicholas Belliany, without issue, and then Thomas Brockett, of
Hertfordshire, leaving issue [Vis. Yorks.]. There was a claim that a Sir
Thomas Brocket of Brocket Hall married "Dionis, da. of Lord Fauconberge," and
seals which quarter the arms of Faucomberge, Neville, etc. [CP 5:286, note b],
but again, the chronology of this claim is rather too tight.
The Visitation of the North, 1480-1500, lists only the two surviving daughters
who left issue, Alice and Elizabeth.
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ED MANN
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> We have a daughter listed for William Neville & J.Fauconberg named
> "Dionice" b.ca.1418 d.1437 m.ca.1392 Thomas Brockett. Need help confirming
> this and obtaining their descendants.
BxP:397 says three daughters, Joane, Elizabeth, and Alice. Joane d.s.p.
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FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Leo van de Pas
Dear Joanne,
According to 'Cahiers de Saint Louis' there is no Dionice.
Cahiers de Saint Louis is a very interesting collection of
'magazines' (30) depicting descendants, legitimate and illegitimate of
Louis IX of France.
The chapter I refer to gives 15 sources, I can qote them if you need them.
Well, here we go, page 937:
William Nevill(e), Earl of Kent, died at Alnwick 9 January 1462; buried in
the priory of Guisborough, Yorkshire.
He married before 28 April 1423 Joan, Baroness Fauconberg,
she was born Skalton 18 October 1406, died 11 December 1490,
daughter of Thomas, Baron Fauconberg, and Joan Brounflete.
William had two illegitimate sons : Thomas (*) and William.
William and his wife had three children :
Joan ca.1433-11-12-1490, who married Edward Bethom
Elizabeth ca.1435-bef.1488, who married Richard Strangways
Alice 1437-bef.1490, who married John Conyers
(*) Thomas, also known as the Bastard of Fauconberg, played a role in the
War of the Roses and was beheaded 22 September 1471.
Hope this helps.
Leo van de Pas
At 07:25 PM 5/7/99 GMT, you wrote:
>We have a daughter listed for William Neville & J.Fauconberg named
>"Dionice" b.ca.1418 d.1437 m.ca.1392 Thomas Brockett. Need help confirming
>this and obtaining their descendants.
>
>Thanks, Joanne D. Fay
>
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