Morville - Stuteville question
Leo van de Pas
we find Simon de Morvill married to Ada Engaine
parents of
Hugh de Morville married to Heloise de Stuteville
parents of
Ada de Morville married (1) Richard de Lucy (2) Thomas de Multon
However, this page is a family tree without going into further details.
On Page 401 we find Thomas de Multon married 2ndly, before 10 March 1217/8 Ada widow
of Richard de Lucy, and elder daughter and co-heir of Hugh de Morville, by (query) Heloise de Stuteville................It does not say by Hugh de Morville by (query) his first or second wife Heloise de Stuteville.
This (query) stirred me to look in other aspects of this family.
Weis in Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, line 40 calls Heloise de Stuteville Hawise.
Now, perhaps, a lesser God, Turton and his Plantagenet Ancestry.
Page 101 shows Hugh de Morville and his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp and on this page we find they are parents of Hugh, involved with the murder of Thomas aBecket, and Richard who is father of Elena who is mother of Alan of Galloway.
Turton Page 142 shows Hugh de Morville and his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp as parents
of Maud who married William Vipont, another line to Elizabeth of York.
What I find worrisome is that Turton often indicates that a person had more than one spouse, but he does not do that with Hugh de Morville. Did Hugh de Morville have two wives?
Beatrice de Beauchamp and Heloise/Hawise de Stuteville?
As CP gives us (query) could Ada wife of Richard de Lucy and Thomas de Multon be a daughter of Beatrice de Beauchamp?
Now another lesser God, Marlyn Lewis in "The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York" this gives
11076 = Simon de Morville
11077 = Ada d'Engaine
5538 = Hugh de Moreville
5539 = Beatrice de Beauchamp
2768 = William Vipont
2769 = Maud de Moreville
This is another confirmation of Beatrice de Beauchamp being wife of Hugh de Morville.
For Richard de Morville, Beatrice de Beauchamp (as in Turton) is also given as mother.
Was Hugh de Morville married twice? Is Hawise/Heloise de Stuteville the mother of Ada de Morville?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Tim Powys-Lybbe
> Was Hugh de Morville married twice?
I think there were two Hugh de Morevills:
1. From Keats-Rohan's Domesday Descendants, p. 602: Hugo de Morville,
constable of Scotland from c. 1140 to c. 1162. d, 1162. M. Beatrice de
Beauchamp and succeeded by their eldest son Richard.
2. From CP IX, pp. 397 and 401 and VIII 248: Hugh de Morvill, Forester
of Cumberland, d. 1202, m. Heloise de Stuteville.
> Is Hawise/Heloise de Stuteville the mother of Ada de Morville?
Pass. But it does not look like that the mother could have been Beatrice
de Beauchamp.
--
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Dear Leo,
I was thinking of retitling this thread, "Hugh do you think you
are?", but then thought better of it......;)
The problem (as shown in "The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York")
is that the Hughs de Morvill/Moreville have been recombined and
confused over time. There are two separate families, who likely
have a near relationship (not yet shown/proven) which can be
distinguished:
1. The Cumberland family, traced from Simon de Morville and
his wife Ada de Engaine, dau. of William de Engaine of
Burgh by Sands, Cumbs. Their chief lands were the manors
of Burgh by Sands, Penrith, Kirkoswald and Lazenby,
Cumberland.
2. The Northants. family, traced from Hugh de Morville,
which is the one with the Scots connections - their
chief lands being the manors of Whissendine and Bosegate,
Northants.
I am forwarding detailed pedigrees of these two families - but,
separately (do not want to annex the State of Confusion). Following
is the first one, giving the descent from Hugh de Beauchamp through
his granddaughter Beatrice de Beauchamp, who brought Whissendine,
Northants. and other lands to her husband Hugh de Morville.
~ Note: this strays a bit from the Morville theme, but does
provide relevant connections to/through the Lords of Galloway,
the Viponts and the Lords Clifford, and others.
Cheers,
John
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1 Hugh de Beauchamp
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Death: bef 1114[1]
of Bedford
tenant holding 43 manors at Domesday Book, 1086[2]
these included 'four knights' fees respectively at Bozeat, Northants,
Whissendine and Whitwell in Rutland, Offord in Huntingdonshire, and
Houghton Conquest beside Bedford'[3]
Children: Simon (-<1138)
Robert (-<1137)
1.1 Simon de Beauchamp
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Death: bef 1138[1]
of Bedford
Spouse: NN
Children: NN, a dau. m. Hugh de Beaumont, Earl of Bedford [4]
1.2 Robert de Beauchamp[2]
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Death: bef 1137[1]
died before brother Simon[1]
Children: Miles (->1142)
Payn (-<1157)
Beatrice
1.2.1 Miles de Beauchamp
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Death: aft 1142, d.s.p.[1],[4]
of Bedford
1.2.2 Payn de Beauchamp[2],[5]
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Death: bef 1157[1],[4]
'Pagan'
of Bedford
succeeded his brother Miles, ca. 1142 (DD, p. 312)[4]
2nd husband of Rohese (she m. 1stly Geoffrey de Mandeville)[2]
Spouse: Rohese de Vere[6],[5]
Death: aft Oct 1166[6]
Father: Aubrey de Vere, Chamberlain of England (<1090-1141)
Mother: Adeliza de Clare (-ca1163)
Marr: aft 1143
Children: Simon de Beauchamp, baron of Bedford(-1208)
1.2.3 Beatrice de Beauchamp
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her maritagium included
"...four knights' fees respectively at Bozeat, Northants,
Whissendine and Whitwell in Rutland, Offord in Huntingdonshire, and
Houghton Conquest beside Bedford--the 5 hides at Houghton having
been originally acquired by Hugh de Beauchamp, Beatrice's
grandfather, probably not long before 1086."[3]
NOTE: a sister of Payn de Beauchamp, and not daughter (see P.
Junkin[7])
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re: her husband:
chancellor to King David I, 1144 (and possibly before)
'Hugh de Morville', witness [together with Alan de Perci, William
de Somerville, Berengar Engaine, Randolph de Sules, William de
Morville, Hervi son of Warin and Edmund the chamberlain] to charter
from King David I to Robert de Brus of the lordship of Annandale,
dated Scone, ca. 1124 [Donaldson, p. 19[8]]
' Hugo de Morevill ', one of the witnesses to David I.’s Charter of
Confirmation to Dunfermline Abbey, dated ca. 1127-1129 [Henderson,
Annals of Dunfermline: cites Regist. de Dunf. p. 4; Sibbald’s Hist.
Fife, p. 227; Chalmer’s Hist. Dunf. p. 133.[9]]
'Hugh de Moreville'', one of the witnesses to David I.’s [Second]
Charter of Confirmation to Dunfermline Abbey, dated ca. 1129-1130
[Henderson, Annals of Dunfermline: cites Registrum de Dunfermelyn,
pp. 5-7; Fernie’s Hist. Dunf. pp. 187-193; Mercer’s Hist. Dunf.
pp. 316-320.[9]]
1144.—ROYAL GIFT OF GOLD TO THE ABBEY.—About this period David I.
bequeaths, by charter-right, to the Abbey the tenth of all his gold
obtained in Fife and Fothriff. (Title of Charter, or Writ,
“De Decima Auri.”) Translation of the short Charter:--“David, King
of Scots, to all honest men, Greeting,--Be it known to you that I
have conceded, as a free gift, to the Church of the Holy Trinity,
Dunfermline, the tenth part of the whole of my gold obtained in Fife
and Fothrif.—T. Chancellor, HUGH DE MOREVILL; JOHN, Episcopus.—Given
at Elbothel.” (Print. Regist. de Dunf. p.16, cart. 28.)[9]
'Hugh de Moreville', witness to grant by King Malcolm IV (Charter No.
37 of the Register of Dunfermline, entitled “De capitibus piscium
quos vocant Crespeis”), dated 1155 [Henderson, Annals of
Dunfermline[9]]
Spouse: Hugh de Morville
Death: 1162[7]
Children: Richard (-1189)
Hugh
Maud
1.2.3.1 Richard de Morville
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Death: 1189[7]
Occ: Constable of Scotland
of Whissendine and Bosegate, Northants.
' Richard de Morville, Constable ', witness to charter of King
William (of Scotland) dated ca. 1166-1171:
' Charter of William the Lion announcing the settlement of the
dispute between the church of Durham and the church of Croyland
concerning the will of Edrom and the church, in the presence of
the King in his court, whereby the church of Edrom was ceded in
perpetuity to the church of Durham.
Witnesses: Richard, Bishop of St Andrew's, Ingebram, Bishop of
Glasgow, Nicholas the Chancellor, John Abbot of Kelso, Earl Waldof,
Richard de Morville, Constable, W. son of Alan, dapifer, David
Olifard.
At Perth N.D. [1166-71] . [Durham University Library Archives
& Special Collections: Misc. Charter 612[10]. Printed: Raine ND
App. XL; Printed: Lawrie; Calendared: Barrow &Scott, p.7. ]
as 'Richard de Morevile, constable ', witness to a charter, 4 Oct
1172 :
' Witnessed by Eugene Bishop of Glascow, Mathew Bishop of Aberdeen,
Earl Duncan, Odenell de Umfraville, Richard Cumin, Hugh Ridele,
Gilbert son of Richard, William de Haya, Walter de Berkeley, Richard
de Moreville, constable, Robert Avenell, Philip de Valones, Robert
de Quency, Ranulf de Sules, William de Munford, Herbert de Samer,
the King's clerk Richard of Lincoln, Simon son of Hutered, Adam his
brother, at Maidens Castle 4 October in the 12th year of his reign '
- PRO, Northumberland Record Office: Swinburne (Capheaton) estate
records [ZSW/1 - ZSW/59] , Swinburne Manuscript Vol. 1 [ ZSW/1 ][11]
held in 1212 to have been disseised of his lands in Northants. due to
the war between Scotland and England, 1174[12]:
' In 1171/2, Richard de Morville offered 200 marks to have
recognition of his claim to the lands of his wife Avicia, a daughter
of William I of Lancaster, perhaps at the time of William I's death:
Pipe Roll 18 Henry II, Pipe Roll Society, 18 (1894), p. 65, and for
Avicia, see Furness Coucher Book Volume 2, part 11, 334-38. Richard
served as hereditary constable to King William I of Scotland, and
together with his brother Hugh undoubtedly participated in the
rebellion of 1173-74 against Henry II. Hugh faced forfeiture of his
Westmorland barony of Burgh-by-Sands and Appleby, and, in August
1175, Richard was delivered up as a hostage to Henry II under the
terms of the treaty of Falaise. In the same year he was persuaded
to pay the outstanding 120 marks of his fine first offered in 1172;
Pipe Roll 21 Henry II, Pipe Roll Society, 22 (1897), 10; Chronica
Rogeri de Houeden, II, 81, and in general, see G. W. S. Barrow, The
Anglo-Norman Era in Scottish History (Oxford, 1980), 70-79.'[13]
_________________
re: his wife:
'In 1171/2, Richard de Morville offered 200 marks to have
recognition of his claim to the lands of his wife Avicia, a
daughter of William I of Lancaster..'[13]
Spouse: Hawise de Lancaster
Father: William de Lancaster of Kendal, Westmorland(-<1170)
Mother: NN
Children: Elena (-1217)
William (-1196)
1.2.3.1.1 Elena de Morville
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Death: 11 Jun 1217[12]
heiress of her brother William
paid 500 merks (with her son Alan) for the assize determining the
disseisin of Whissendine and Bosegate, Northants.[12]
Spouse: Roland, Lord of Galloway
Death: 19 Dec 1200, Northampton[12]
Father: Uhtred of Galloway (-1174)
Mother: Gunnhild of Allerdale
Children: Alan (-1234)
Thomas (-1237)
NN
Devorguilla (->1236)
1.2.3.1.2 William de Morville
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Death: 1196[12]
Occ: Constable of Scotland
1.2.3.2 Hugh de Morville
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of Knaresburgh and North Westmoreland[7]
evidently one of the murderers of Thomas Becket
1.2.3.3 Maud de Morville
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'In a charter of Meaburn, Matilda de Morevill "granted the Hospital
of the Blessed Peter of York the whole of our land named Garethorn"
and follows "I will cause my brother and lord, Hugh de Morvill,
within the first six months after his return to England to confirm
to the said poor the aforesaid grant..."[7]
Spouse: William de Veteriponte
Children: Ivo (-1239)
Robert (-1228)
1.2.3.3.1 Ivo de Vipont
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Death: 1239[7]
made or confirmed a gift of his mother,
' "..for the safety of my soul and for the souls of Hugh de Morvill
and William de Veteripont my father and Matilda de Veteriponte my
mother and Robert my brother and Isabel de Lancaster my wife...the
poor of the Hospital of St. Leonard Yoprk Garethorn with its
belongings." Roger and Richard Beauchamp witness this charter.'[7]
Spouse: Isabel de Lancaster
Father: William de Lancaster (-<1170)
Mother: Gundreda de Warenne (->1165)
1.2.3.3.2 Robert de Vipont
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Death: 1228[14]
given custody of Appleby and Brough castles, Westmoreland in 1203
(possibly also Brougham castle at the same time)
Constable of Scarborough castle
answered for 1 1/2 knights' fees of Old Wardon, co. Beds., 1224
(Sanders, p. 133, citing Pipe Roll, E. 372/68, Bucks. and Beds.)[15]
Spouse: Idonea de Builly
Death: 1242[16]
Father: John de Builly (-1213)
Mother: Cecily de Bussy
Children: John (-1243)
Christian
1.2.3.3.2.1 John de Vipont
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Death: 1243[14]
of Appleby and Sandford, co. Westmoreland
Spouse: Sibyl de Ferrers
Birth: 25 Jul 1216
Father: William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby (-1247)
Mother: Agnes of Chester (-1247)
Children: Robert (<1237-1264)
1.2.3.3.2.1.1 Robert de Vipont
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Birth: bef 1237[17]
Death: 7 Jun 1264[17]
Occ: Sherif of Westmoreland[17]
or Vieuxpont
of Appleby, co. Westmoreland[17]
Spouse: Isabel FitzJohn[6]
Father: Sir John FitzGeoffrey (-1258)
Mother: Isabel le Bigod
Children: Isabel (<1249-1292)
Idoine (-1333)
1.2.3.3.2.1.1.1 Isabel de Vipont
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Birth: bef 1249[17]
Death: 14 May 1292[6]
Burial: Shap Abbey, Westmoreland
coheiress of Appleby and Brougham, co. Westmoreland[15]
(ultimately sole heiress, in her issue, on her sister's death)[17]
'Malteby [co. Yorks.]. Isabella et Idonea de Veteri Ponte pro
villa de Malteb, quam tenent de castro de Tikehull, ijs. ijd. pro
eodem fine, et vjd. q. de eodem auxilio.' [Kirkby's Inquest,
p. 8[18]]
also called Idonea [hence, Idoine] in error[14] (- mistaken for her
sister)
Spouse: Roger de Clifford
Death: 6 Nov 1282, Moel-y-don, Wales (drowned)[17],[19]
Father: Roger de Clifford (-1285)
Mother: Matilda
Children: Robert de Clifford, Lord Clifford(~1274-1314)
1.2.3.3.2.1.1.2 Idoine de Vipont
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Death: 1333, d.s.p.[15]
coheiress of Appleby and Brougham, co. Westmoreland[15]
'Malteby [co. Yorks.]. Isabella et Idonea de Veteri Ponte pro
villa de Malteb, quam tenent de castro de Tikehull, ijs. ijd. pro
eodem fine, et vjd. q. de eodem auxilio.' [Kirkby's Inquest, p.
8[18]]
she and husband John de Cromwell exchanged her purparty of
Appleby to her nephew Robert de Clifford in exchange for the
manor of Staveley, co. Derby before 8 Nov 1308 - to be held
for life (Sanders, p. 84)[15]
Hugh le Despenser the younger (exe. 1326)
'..made an arrangement with John de Crumbewelle and Idoine his wife
for their properties to eventually revert to Edward [Hugh's son].
When Idoine died in 1334, all her properties did come into
Edward's possession. '[20]
Spouse: John de Cromwell
Death: 1335, d.s.p.[15]
1.2.3.3.2.2 Christian de Vipont[21]
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Spouse: Thomas de Greystoke
Birth: aft 1202
Death: 1247[21],[15]
Father: William fitz Ranulf (-1209)
Mother: Hawise de Stuteville (-1228)
Children: Joan
Robert (-1254)
William (ca1242-1289)
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* John P. Ravilious
The...@aol.com
Dear Leo,
Here is Part 2 of my response, this pedigree giving the
descent from Robert de Trevers of Burgh by Sands, Cumbs. to the
family of Hugh de Morville, of same. This pedigree also gives
the many links to the branches of the Multon family (easier to
confuse than the Morvilles).
Hope this is helpful.
Cheers,
John
1 Robert de Trevers
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of Burgh by Sands, Cumbs.
fl. ca. 1100-1135 (Sanders, p. 23)[1]
Note: he married (2ndly ?) a daughter of Ranulf, viscount of the
Bessin; this was not the mother of his daughter and heir [1]
Spouse: NN
Children: Ibria (-<1158)
Other Spouses: NN of the Bessin
1.1 Ibria de Trevers
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Death: bef 1158[1]
Spouse: Ranulf Engaine, of Idsell, co. Cumbs. [1]
Children: William (-<1158)
1.1.1 William Engaine[2]
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Death: bef 1158[1]
of Burgh by Sands, and Idsell, Cumbs.
Spouse: Eustacie[2]
Children: Ada
1.1.1.1a Ada Engaine*[2]
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made a gift of Harescow(Haresceugh) in Kirkoswald to Lanercost
priory[3]
she m. lstly Simon de Morville,
2ndly Robert de Vaux
Spouse: Simon de Morville
Death: 1167[1]
Children: Hugh (-1202)
1.1.1.1a.1 Hugh de Morville
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Death: 1202[4],[1]
Occ: forester of Cumberland[2]
of Burgh by Sands, Penrith, Kirkoswald and Lazenby, Cumberland
threatened with forfeiture of his lands due to support of the
rebellion of 1173/4 against King Henry II[5]
held a market and fair at Kirkoswald, Cumbs. under grants by King
John:
' (Charter) Thurs; mercatum, gr 1 Mar 1201, by K John to Hugh de
Morevill (RCh, p. 89). In 1292, the market was held by Thomas son
of Thomas de Multon de Gilleslaund, who claimed to be the heir of
the grantee, although this was challenged by the Crown (QW,
p. 122).
' F (Charter) f, Oswald (5 Aug); feria gr 1 Mar 1201, by K John
to Hugh de Morevill (RCh, p. 89). It is assumed that the feast of
the fair relates to Oswald, king of Northumbria, whose feast was
also celebrated on 8 or 9 Aug. In 1292, the fair was held by
Thomas son of Thomas de Multon de Gilleslaund, who claimed to be
the heir of the grantee, although this was challenged by the
Crown (QW, p. 122). '[6]
Re: his wife:
she m. lstly William de Lancaster,
2ndly Hugh de Morville,
3rdly William fitz Ranulf
she held lands in Lazenby, Kirkoswald and Penrith, Cumberland in dower
following death of husband Hugh de Morville [9]
2nd husband of Hawise de Stuteville[4]
Spouse: Hawise de Stuteville[7]
Death: 1228[8],[9]
Father: Robert de Stuteville of Cottingham, co. Yorks.(-1183)
Mother: Hawise (->1183)
Children: Ada (->1229)
Joan (-1247)
1.1.1.1a.1.1a Ada de Morville*
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Death: aft 1229[2]
elder daughter and coheiress of her father [ heiress in her issue
of full Morville inheritance, on failure of descendants of sister
Joan - see 401n] (CP Vol IX -Multon, p. 401[2]; also Sanders,
p. 24[1])
she m. lstly Richard de Lucy,
2ndly Thomas de Multon (his 2nd wife)[2]
Spouse: Richard de Lucy [1st husband]
Death: 1213[2],[1]
Father: Reynold de Lucy (-ca1198)
Mother: Amabel of Egremont
Children: Amabel
Alice (-<1287)
1.1.1.1a.1.1a.1 Amabel de Lucy
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elder daughter and coheiress of her father
the lordship of Egremont was inherited by her[2],[1]
Spouse: Lambert de Multon, of Egremont, Cumbs.
Death: bef 16 Nov 1246[2]
Father: Thomas de Multon (-1240)
Mother: Sarah de Flete
Children: Thomas (-1294)
1.1.1.1a.1.1a.1.1 Thomas de Multon
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Death: 1294[1]
of Egremont, Cumberland
had grants by charter from King John for a market and fair at
Ravenglass, Cumberland:
' Sat market held by Thomas son of Lambert de Multon recorded in
1292, which he claimed of old (QW, p. 114).
F (Charter) f, James the Apostle (25 Jul); Fair held by Thomas
son of Lambert de Multon recorded in 1292, which he claimed of
old (QW, p. 114). '[6]
Spouse: Ida
Children: Thomas de Multon of Egremont, Cumberland(-<1287)
1.1.1.1a.1.1a.2 Alice de Lucy
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Death: bef 24 Mar 1287[2]
coheiress of her father[2]
her inheritance included half the lordship of Papcastle (Allerdale
below Derwent), Cumberland (Sanders p. 134-5)[1]
Spouse: Alan de Multon
Death: aft 1249[2]
Father: Thomas de Multon (-1240)
Mother: Sarah de Flete
Marr: bef 1219[2]
Children: Thomas (-<1305)
1.1.1.1a.1.1a.2.1 Thomas de Lucy
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Death: bef 9 Apr 1305[2]
of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland
fined for a knight's fee in Cumberland, 1283[2]
in 1292 the market and fair at Kirkoswald, Cumbs.) were held by
' Thomas son of Thomas de Multon de Gilleslaund,' who claimed to
be the heir of the grantee, although this was challenged by the
Crown (QW, p. 122). '[6] - claim based on his descent from Hugh
de Morville
Spouse: Isabel de Boltby
Father: Adam de Boltby (-1281)
Marr: 1279[10]
Children: Thomas de Lucy(<1281-<1308)
Anthony de Lucy, 1st Lord Lucy(<1283-<1343)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b Ada de Morville* (See above)
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Spouse: Thomas de Multon of Moulton, co. Lincs.
Death: 1240[2]
Father: Thomas de Multon (-<1202)
Mother: Eleanor
Marr: bef 10 Mar 1217[2]
Children: Thomas (-<1270)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1 Thomas de Multon
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Death: bef 14 Jan 1270[2]
Occ: lord of Gilsland de jure uxoris
of Burgh-on-Sands and Kirkoswald, Cumberland[11]
eldest son by second wife, Ada
Received manors of Whaplode and Holbeach, co. Lincs. from father
1240 or before[2]
had a grant by charters dated 31 Oct 1252, from King Henry III to
'...Thomas de Muletone and Maud his wife.' for a market and fair
at Brampton, Cumbs. ' To be held at the manor of Braunton '
(CChR, 1226–57, p. 407)[6].
In 1292, Matilda de Multon de Gyleslaund, the grantee, was holding
the market (QW, p. 126).[6]
Spouse: Maud de Vaux[11]
Death: 1293[6],[1]
Father: Hubert de Vaux of Gilsland(-1240)
Mother: Aline
Marr: bef May 1240[1]
Children: Aline (-<1271)
Thomas (-1293)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1.1 Aline de Multon
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Death: bef 1271[2]
first wife
she had the manor of Thorganby, co. York in free marriage[2]
Spouse: Sir William de Braose, of Bramber and Gower
Death: bef 6 Jan 1290[2]
Birth: bef 15 Jul 1224[12]
Father: John de Braose (~1197-<1232)
Mother: Margaret verch Llywelyn
Children: Sir William de Braose, Lord Braose(-<1326)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1.2 Thomas de Multon
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Death: 1293[1]
of Gilsland, Burgh-on-Sands and Kirkoswald, Cumberland
heir of his cousin Hawise (de Levington) de Baliol, who
dsp 1272[1]
Thomas 'III' (Sanders p. 24)[1]
Children: Thomas (-1295)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1.2.1 Thomas de Multon
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Death: 1295[1]
of Gilsland, Burgh-on-Sands and Kirkoswald, Cumberland
Thomas 'IV' (Sanders p. 24)[1]
Children: Thomas (ca1281-1313)
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1.2.1.1 Thomas de Multon
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Birth: ca 1281[1]
Death: 1313, d.s.p.m.[1]
of Gilsland, Burgh-on-Sands and Kirkoswald, Cumberland
Thomas 'V' (Sanders p. 24)[1]
Spouse: NN de Mauley
Father: Piers de Mauley (1249-1308)
Mother: Nichole de Gant (-?1284)
Children: Margaret
1.1.1.1a.1.1b.1.2.1.1.1 Margaret de Multon
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Spouse: Ralph de Dacre, Lord Dacre
Death: 1339[1]
Father: Sir William de Dacre (-~1318)
Mother: Joan
Children: Hugh de Dacre, Lord Dacre(-1383)
1.1.1.1a.1.2 Joan de Morville
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Death: 1247[1]
younger daughter and coheiress[2]
Spouse: Richard Gernun
Children: Ada
Hawise (-1270)
1.1.1.1a.1.2.1a Ada Gernun*
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coheiress of her mother, 1247 (Sanders, p. 24)[1]
she m. lstly Ralph de Levington,
2ndly William de Furnival[1]
Spouse: Ralph de Levington
Death: 1253[1]
Marr: bef Mar 1247[1]
Children: Hawise (-1272)
1.1.1.1a.1.2.1b Ada Gernun* (See above)
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Spouse: William de Furnival
Death: 1264 (dsp)
Father: Thomas de Furnival (->1238)
Mother: Bertha de Ferrers (->1266)
1.1.1.1a.1.2.2 Hawise Gernun
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Death: 1270, d.s.p.[1]
or 'Helewise'
coheiress of her mother
her heir was her sister Ada[1]
1.1.1.1b Ada Engaine* (See above)
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1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain
and the United Kingdom.
3. Steve Bulman, "Kirkoswald,"
www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/kirkoswald1901.html
from Bulmer's History and Directory of Cumberland, 1901.
4. Kay Allen, AG, "Murdac," Jul 19, 1999,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
5. Nicholas Vincent, "William Marshal, King Henry II and the
Honour of Chateauroux," (Archives: The Journal of the British
Record Association 25:102 ]2000]), cites L'Histoire de
Guillaume le Marechal, ed. by P. Meyer, 3 vols (Paris,
1891-1901), and other sources.
6. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/
7. Alan B. Wilson, "Lords of Greystoke," Apr 10, 1999,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, sources cited incl. CP,
Early Yorkshire Families (Clay) and English Baronies (Sanders).
8. Richard Borthwick, "Researching de Brus and Descendants," Aug
21, 1999, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, also from Rosie Bevan
(Re: Roger, Earl of Warwick, Feb 12, 2001).
9. Rosie Bevan, "Ancestry of Margery de Stuteville, wife of Sir
Richard Foliot," August 31, 2002, paper copy: library of John
P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan :
rbe...@paradise.net.nz, cites Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters,
Sanders, English Baronies; K. Keats-Rohan, Domesday
Descendants.
10. William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, "The Baronage of
England," Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York],
London, 1675 [reprint New York, 1977].
11. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"
Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr &
David Faris).
12. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Llywelyn's Daughter Margaret and the de
Braose Family," Oct 3, 1999, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites
CPR (Calendar of Patent Rolls) 1216-25, p. 134 re: John de
Braose being 'of age' Jan. 1218;, _Brut y Tywysogyon or The
Chronicle of the Princes ..._ (Roll Series, v.17: ed. Rev.
John Williams ab Ithel [London, 1860], pp. 304-5) concerning
John's marriage to Margaret ferch Llywelyn, and [Curia Regis
Rolls, 490-1; CCR 1231-4, Hen. III, 2:86 concerning his death,
additional contributions and discussion with Douglas
Richardson, Stewart Baldwin, Todd A. Farmerie, and others.
13. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell
Press, Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de
Stuteville' Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full
title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons,
Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae
Baronum.
* John P. Ravilious
Millerf...@aol.com
Thanks to John Ravilious for his post.
I have located a website giving sources for another marriage of Joan
Morville, which is I believe the work of Major Harold Wheeler Bradley:-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/aqwg1411.htm#26738
Major Bradley gives:-
Sir Gerard de FURNIVAL Knight [Notes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] was born 1236 in
Caldecott, Rutland, England. He died 1290 in Munden, Hertfordshire, England. Gerard
married Joan de MORVILLE on 1258 in Munden, Hertfordshire, England.
1Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th ed. (London: Burke's Peerage, Ltd.,
1999. (106th ed.)), p. 2240, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.72 B959.
2Flower, William, The Visitations of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564
(London: Harleian Society, 1881.), p. 403, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen
942.005 H284 v.16.
3Burke, Sir John Bernard, A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant,
Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire (London: Pall Mall, 1883.),
p. 224, Family History Library, 942 D22bug 1883.
4Richards, W. S. G., The History of the De Traffords of Trafford, circa A.D.,
1000-1893 (Plymouth, England: W. H. Luke, 1896. FHL US/CAN Film #823,879 Item
1.), p. 141, Family History Library.
5Sanders, Ivor John, English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and Descent,
1086-1327 (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.), p. 33 note 8, Los Angeles Public
Library, 929.722 S215.
6Reade, Compton, The House of Cornewall (Hereford: Jakeman and Carver,
1908.), p. 78, Family History Library, 929.242 C815L.
Joan de MORVILLE [daughter oh Hugh] was born 1240 in Burgh-on-Sands,
Cumberland, England. She married Sir Gerard de FURNIVAL Knight in 1258 in Munden,
Hertfordshire, England.
They had the following children:
F i Christian de FURNIVAL was born 1260.
F ii Lora de FURNIVAL was born 1270.
Christian de FURNIVAL, born 1260 in Munden, Hertfordshire, England, and
married Sir John EYNSFORD Knight in 1278 in King's Pyon, Herefordshire, England.
Major Bradley gives sources for all the above details.
I wonder whether they can be accepted?
Merilyn Pedrick
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