brienne
Caro...@aol.com
In a message dated 5/10/97 1:56:51 PM, <GEN-ME...@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> wrote:
>
>Subject: brienne
>From: juan <sar...@EARTHLINK.NET>
>Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 19:50:46 -0400
>
>
>coming back to families of the latin kingdom of jerusalem.
>this time the brienne
>
>i have here a little tree from a source i can't find!
>maybe someone will recognize it.
>
> redon of penthievre
> c. of brienne
> |
>------------------------|----------------------------------------------
>| | |
>andre erard = agnes of montbeliard ida=arnould
>+1189 montfaucon |de risnel
>=adele de venisy | |
>| +-+-----------------------+ ida de
risnel
>erard ii | | =balian of
>+1250 walter III john ibelin
>c. of brienne +1205 (1147-1237)
>=1214 philippa of champagne c. of lecce and k. of jerusalem
>daughter of queen isabella of brienne (3)=1224 berengaria
> jerusalem and henry of =alberia of sicily of castile
> champagne | |
> + died after 1256 walter iv V
> +1251
> c. of lecce and brienne
> = marie de lusignan,
> dau. of amaury i and
> | eschiva of ibelin
> |
> hugh
> + 1296
> c. of brienne
> and lecce
> |
> v
>
>well, that is all i have for now.
>
>i am not sure if there descendants of john himself.
>but unless i am confused, his nephew hugh had some
>including jacquetta of luxembourg.
>
>i also seem to remember that john was pretty poor and
>without much future in west. things changed when he arrived
>in the east and married maria, the heiress of jerusalem.
>
>he seems to have been a uniquely long-lived and active individual.
I'm very interested in this information, but these charts never come out in
proper lines on my screens, so I can't see who's descended from whom. Any
way you can list them in linear order? I have:
John of Brienne King of Jerusalem (1148 - 1237) & Marie de Montferrat (1191 -
1212)
| Marie DE BRIENNE ( - After 5 May 1275) & Baldwin II DE COURTENAY Emperor
of Byzantium (1217 - 1273)
| | Melisende & Fulk V of Anjou the Young King of Jerusalem (1092 - 10 Nov
1143)
| | Philippe DE COURTENAY Emp. Constantino (1243 - 1283) & Beatrix ( -
1275)
| | Helene DE COURTENAY ( - 1314) & Stefan Uros I King of Serbia ( - 1280)
| Yolande (1212 - 1228) & Frederick II Holy Roman Emper (26 Dec 1194 - 13
Dec 1250)
| | 2nd wife of John III & John III Emperor Nicaea ( - 1254)
| | Conrad IV Emperor (1228 - 1254)
AND unconnected:
Engilbert I DE BRIENNE Count of Brienne ( - 0969) & Mainfrede
| Engilbert II DE BRIENNE Count of Brienne ( - 1055)
| | Gauthier I DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne ( - 1089) & Eustache DE
BAR-SUR-SEINE
| | | Erard I DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne (About 1060 - 1114) & Agnes DE
BAUDEMONT (About 1085 - )
| | | | Gauthier II DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne (About 1105 - 1161) &
Adele DE RAMERU (About 1105 - )
| | | | | Erard II DE BRIENNE Ct. de Brienne (About 1130 - 8 Feb 1191) &
Agnes DE MONTFAUCON (About 1148 - )
| | | | | | Jean DE BRIENNE Ct. of Jerusalem (About 1195 - 23 Mar 1237)
& Berengaria DE LEON (About 1193 - 12 Apr 1237)
| | | | | | | Louis "D'Acre" DE BRIENNE (About 1265 - ) & Agnes de
BEAUMONT (About 1270 - )
| | | | | | | | Henry BEAUMONT Earl of Buchan (About 1288 - 1340) &
Alice COMYN (About 1291 - Before 10 Aug 1349)
| | | | | | | Jean DE BRIENNE Kg. of Jerusalem (About 1225 - 1296) &
Jeanne DE CHATEAUDUN
| | | | | | | | Blanche (or Madelene) DE BRIENNE DameDeLoupelande
(1245/1252 - 1302) & William (Guillaume II ) DE FIENNES Baron de Fiennes
(About 1245 - 11 Jul 1302)
Don't know how they fit together, or if any of this is accurate.
How does your info fit with this?
Best wishes,
CarolynCC
Donal O'Driscoll
How reliable is the extensive Brienne pedigree given in Burke's Peerage,
I think under a Beaumont title? I know Burkes do not have a rock-solid
reputation, but this is the only coherent source I have ever seen for
this family.
Thanks
Donal
manny
hello,
coming back to the brienne family....
> I'm very interested in this information, but these charts never come out in
> proper lines on my screens, so I can't see who's descended from whom.
sorry to hear.
maybe i should try spaces instead.
> Any
> way you can list them in linear order? I have:
yes
>
> John of Brienne King of Jerusalem (1148 - 1237) & Marie de Montferrat (1191 -
1212)
yes. he married two other times. marie of montferrat was the heiress of
jerusalem
marie of brienne was the daughter of berenguela of castile,
> | Marie DE BRIENNE ( - After 5 May 1275) & Baldwin II DE COURTENAY Emperor
> of Byzantium (1217 - 1273)
1)they were the parents of philip of courtenay +1283, titular emperor, who
married beatrice d'anjou, dau of charles i of anjou, k. of naples +1275
these were the parents of
1.1) catherine +1307, titular empress, who married charles, c. of valois,
son of philip iii of france, +1325. and had two daughters
1.1.1) catherine +1346, married philip of tarento, third son of charles ii
of naples
and
1.1.2) isabella, +1336?, who married peter i, duc of bourbon (1311-56)
i think the descendants of both daughters died out in the first, second
or third generation. i am not sure of that.
manny
regarding the counts of brienne,
quoting from a previous posting
1)Engilbert I DE BRIENNE Count of Brienne ( - 0969) & Mainfrede
parents of
2)Engilbert II DE BRIENNE Count of Brienne ( - 1055)
father of
3) Gauthier I DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne ( - 1089) & Eustache De
BAR-SUR-SEINE
parents of
4) Erard I DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne (About 1060 - 1114) & Agnes DE
BAUDEMONT (About 1085 - )
parents of
5) Gauthier II DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne (About 1105 - 1161) &
Adele DE RAMERU (About 1105 - )
parents of
6) Erard II DE BRIENNE Ct. de Brienne (About 1130 - 8 Feb 1191) &
Agnes DE MONTFAUCON (About 1148 - )
parents of
Jean DE BRIENNE King of Jerusalem (About 1195 - 23 Mar 1237)
> & Berengaria DE LEON (About 1193 - 12 Apr 1237)
parents of
Louis "D'Acre" DE BRIENNE (About 1265 - ) & Agnes de BEAUMONT
(About 1270 - )
parents of
Henry BEAUMONT Earl of Buchan (About 1288 - 1340) &
> Alice COMYN (About 1291 - Before 10 Aug 1349)
> Don't know how they fit together, or if any of this is accurate.
>
well, checking some notes i had, and a small chart from a source i
did not note!
1) redon of penthievre, c. of brienne (no dates given)
father of at least two sons, and one daughter
1.1 andre (+1189) = adela de venisy
1.1.1. erard ii (+1250) c. of brienne = in 1214 philippa of champagne
daughter of queen isabella of jerusalem and henry of champagne, d.after
1256 (childless)
1.2. erard = agnes of montbeliard-montfaucon
1.2.1. walter iii (+1205) c. of brienne and lecce, married alberada of
sicily, illegitimate daughter of the king of sicily (william ii?)
1.2.2. jean of brienne (1147-1237), k.of jerusalem, regent of constantinople
married (3) 1224 berenguela of castile, parents of
1.2.2.1. maria of brienne = 1229 baudouin ii, latin emperor
1.2.2.2 louis d'acre = agnes of beaumont, parents of several children
including
1.2.2.2.1 margaret of beaumont = bohemund vii, prince of antioch, d.1287
now, i am sure some of us would have more details.
i don't know about louis's beaumont descendants.
Todd A. Farmerie
manny wrote:
>
> regarding the counts of brienne,
>
> quoting from a previous posting
>
> parents of
>
> 2)Engilbert II DE BRIENNE Count of Brienne ( - 1055)
> father of
> 3) Gauthier I DE BRIENNE Count de Brienne ( - 1089) & Eustache De
> BAR-SUR-SEINE
> parents of
I know I have asked this before, but Moriarty shows "Engilbert, Count of
Brienne" as son of Eudes, son of Arnulf II Count of Flanders (but not by
Eudes first wife, who was his niece, much to the displeasure of the
pope. He cites the unpublished transcripts of a monastic chartulary
being made by Staffenburg (I think it was). As far as I can tell, this
material has never appeared in print, and would require a rearrangement
of the early generations of the family, since Eudes could not have been
father of Engilbert I. Does anyone know anything more about Moriarty's
source?
taf