Robert Camel & Joan de Plecy of Dorsetshire in early 1400s
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Robert Camel and Joan de Plecy of Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England. They
were married in about 1410. They had a son named John Camel, who
married Isabel (surname unknown) in about 1438.
Can anyone identify their parents and forebears? I have seen various
alternative spellings for both Robert's and Joan's surnames.
Shawn Potter
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Do you have a descent from Robert and Joan (Plecy) Camel? If so, then
you have a meandering medieval descent from Charlemagne through Joan
Plecy's ancestry. I've been looking for colonists who have the Camel
line in their ancestry. What can you tell me about your descent?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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Thanks for your reply. I would be interested in your information about
Joan de Plecy's ancestry.
Here is what I have on her descendants to Thomas Poindexter of
Virginia. I am sorry I do not site original sources; much of this
information was taken from a compiled genealogy of George Poingdestre,
who settled in Virginia in the early 1600s.
Shawn Potter
Descendants of Joan Plecy
Generation No. 1
1. JOAN1 PLECY was born Abt. 1390 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England,
and died Abt. 1465 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England. She married
ROBERT CAMEL Abt. 1410 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England. He was born
Abt. 1385 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England, and died Abt. 1460 in
Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England.
Child of JOAN PLECY and ROBERT CAMEL is:
2. i. JOHN2 CAMEL, b. Abt. 1414, Shapwick, Dorsetshire,
England; d. Abt. 1490, Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England.
Generation No. 2
2. JOHN2 CAMEL (JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt. 1414 in Shapwick,
Dorsetshire, England, and died Abt. 1490 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire,
England. He married ISABEL Abt. 1438 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire,
England. She was born Abt. 1418 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England, and
died Abt. 1495 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England.
Child of JOHN CAMEL and ISABEL is:
3. i. LADY CATHERINE3 CAMELL, b. Abt. 1444, Shapwick,
Dorsetshire, England; d. Abt. 1505, Rozel, St. Martin Parish, Isle of
Jersey, England.
Generation No. 3
3. LADY CATHERINE3 CAMELL (JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt.
1444 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England, and died Abt. 1505 in Rozel,
St. Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England. She married LORD RENAUD
LEMPRIERE Abt. 1463 in Shapwick, Dorsetshire, England, son of JEAN
LEMPRIERE and JEANETTE LE LORREUR. He was born Abt. 1426 in Rozel, St.
Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1467 in Rozel,
St. Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Notes for LORD RENAUD LEMPRIERE:
Renaud Lempriere, Siegneur (Lord) of the Fief es Rozel, was arrested in
1463 for plotting to expel the French, who, under Pierre de Breze,
Count of Maulevrier, had occupied Jersey for several years. He was
subsequently acquitted, but died during a siege of the castle in 1467.
His son, Jean, succeeded him as seigneur, but died childless. So, his
daughter, Catherine, became Lady of Rozel.
Children of CATHERINE CAMELL and RENAUD LEMPRIERE are:
i. JEAN4 LEMPRIERE, b. Abt. 1464, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Abt. 1484, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
4. ii. LADY CATHERINE LEMPRIERE, b. Abt. 1466, Rozel, St.
Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Abt. 1541, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 4
4. LADY CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE (CATHERINE3 CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1
PLECY) was born Abt. 1466 in Rozel, St. Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey,
England, and died Abt. 1541 in Rozel, St. Martin Parish, Isle of
Jersey, England. She married LORD DOMINIQUE PERRIN Abt. 1486 in Rozel,
St. Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, son of JEAN PERRIN and
PERONELLE LE FEYVRE. He was born Abt. 1464 in St. Pol Parish, Isle of
Guernsey, England, and died Abt. 1536 in Rozel, St. Martin Parish, Isle
of Jersey, England.
Child of CATHERINE LEMPRIERE and DOMINIQUE PERRIN is:
5. i. LORD EDMOND5 PERRIN, b. Abt. 1505, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Abt. 1585, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 5
5. LORD EDMOND5 PERRIN (CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3 CAMELL, JOHN2
CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt. 1505 in Rozel, St. Martin Parish,
Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1585 in Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England. He married LADY JANE HOLLAND Abt.
1530 in Dartmouth, Devonshire, England. She was born Abt. 1510 in
Dartmouth, Devonshire, England, and died Abt. 1590 in Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Child of EDMOND PERRIN and JANE HOLLAND is:
6. i. ELISABETH6 PERRIN, b. Abt. 1540, Rozel, St. Martin
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Abt. 1615, St. Saviour Parish, Isle
of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 6
6. ELISABETH6 PERRIN (EDMOND5, CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3
CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt. 1540 in Rozel, St.
Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1615 in St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England. She married JURAT JEAN EFFARD
Abt. 1560 in Rozel, St. Martin Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, son of
NICOLAS EFFARD and PAROTINE PERRIN. He was born Abt. 1537 in St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1612 in St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Child of ELISABETH PERRIN and JEAN EFFARD is:
7. i. RECTOR NICOLAS7 EFFARD, b. Abt. 1563, St. Saviour
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. April 27, 1638, St. Saviour Parish,
Isle of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 7
7. RECTOR NICOLAS7 EFFARD (ELISABETH6 PERRIN, EDMOND5, CATHERINE4
LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3 CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt.
1563 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died April 27,
1638 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England. He married SARA
DE CAUMONT July 21, 1587 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey,
England, daughter of REV. PIERRE DE CAUMONT. She was born Abt. 1568 in
St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1645 in St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Notes for RECTOR NICOLAS EFFARD:
Nicolas Effard was a disciple of one of the translators of the
Aughorized Version of the Bible. He was installed as the rector of St.
Saviour's church on March 25, 1587. He probably studied at Oxford as
well.
Child of NICOLAS EFFARD and SARA DE CAUMONT is:
8. i. LADY ELISABETH8 EFFARD, b. Bef. December 12, 1597, St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Bef. August 10, 1690, St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 8
8. LADY ELISABETH8 EFFARD (NICOLAS7, ELISABETH6 PERRIN, EDMOND5,
CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3 CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was
born Bef. December 12, 1597 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey,
England, and died Bef. August 10, 1690 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of
Jersey, England. She married LORD THOMAS POINGDESTRE December 14, 1614
in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, son of EDOUARD
POINGDESTRE and MARGUERITE MESSERVY. He was born Bef. August 11, 1581
in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, and died Bef. December
20, 1669 in St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Notes for LORD THOMAS POINGDESTRE:
Thomas Poingdestre succeeded his father as Seigneur (Lord) of the Fief
es Poingdestres in 1622.
Children of ELISABETH EFFARD and THOMAS POINGDESTRE are:
i. PHILIPPE9 POINGDESTRE, b. Bef. February 11, 1620/21,
St. Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
ii. JACOB POINGDESTRE, b. Bef. May 02, 1624, St. Saviour
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
9. iii. GEORGE POINGDESTRE, b. Bef. December 23, 1627, St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England; d. Abt. 1692, St. Peter
Parish, New Kent County, VA.
iv. RACHEL POINGDESTRE, b. Bef. December 23, 1627, St.
Saviour Parish, Isle of Jersey, England.
Generation No. 9
9. GEORGE9 POINGDESTRE (ELISABETH8 EFFARD, NICOLAS7, ELISABETH6
PERRIN, EDMOND5, CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3 CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL,
JOAN1 PLECY) was born Bef. December 23, 1627 in St. Saviour Parish,
Isle of Jersey, England, and died Abt. 1692 in St. Peter Parish, New
Kent County, VA. He married SUZANNE NICOLLE (?) Abt. 1655 in Grouville
Parish, Isle of Jersey, England, daughter of CLEMENT NICOLLE and
SUZANNE AMY. She was born Abt. 1635 in Grouville Parish, Isle of
Jersey, England, and died July 15, 1693 in St. Peter Parish, New Kent
County, VA.
Notes for GEORGE POINGDESTRE:
Payne's "Armorial of Jersey" lists George as son of Thomas Poingdestre
with the anotation that he settled in Virginia.
March 15, 1657. George Poindexter and George Thompson received a grant
for 350 acres in Gloucester County, Virginia at the head of Eagle Nest
Creek in Milford Haven, adjoining the lands of Richard Long and
Conglins. (The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, vol. xix,
no. 3, p. 326)
January 8, 1667. George Poindexter and Otho Thorpe purchased 850 acres
at Middle Plantation from Edward Wyatt and wife. This purchased
constituted the exact area whereon the present town of Williamsburg now
stands. (William and Mary Quarterly, (1), vol. xii, p. 38)
April 1673. A court granted a certificate to George Poindexter for the
importation of certain persons into the colony--among them was Susannah
Poindexter.
Before 1680, George Poindexter removed to the present New Kent County,
Virginia.
About 1685. George Poindester built the remarkable brick and timber
frame house (which still stands) called 'Christ's Cross.' The house is
one of the oldest houses in Virginia.
Child of GEORGE POINGDESTRE and SUZANNE NICOLLE (?) is:
10. i. THOMAS10 POINDEXTER, b. Abt. 1660, St. Peter Parish,
New Kent County, VA; d. Abt. 1706, St. Peter Parish, New Kent County,
VA.
Generation No. 10
10. THOMAS10 POINDEXTER (GEORGE9 POINGDESTRE, ELISABETH8 EFFARD,
NICOLAS7, ELISABETH6 PERRIN, EDMOND5, CATHERINE4 LEMPRIERE, CATHERINE3
CAMELL, JOHN2 CAMEL, JOAN1 PLECY) was born Abt. 1660 in St. Peter
Parish, New Kent County, VA, and died Abt. 1706 in St. Peter Parish,
New Kent County, VA. He married SARAH CRAWFORD Abt. 1696 in St. Peter
Parish, New Kent County, VA, daughter of DAVID CRAWFORD and JANE. She
was born Abt. 1677 in St. Peter Parish, New Kent County, VA, and died
Abt. 1752 in Louisa County, VA.
Notes for THOMAS POINDEXTER:
Thomas' father began to use the Latin (Poindexter) form of his French
(Poingdestre) surname in Virginia.
1702. Quit Rent for New Kent County, Virginia, shows that Thomas
Poindexter owned 1000 acres.
Notes for SARAH CRAWFORD:
July 21, 1691. Sarah received 500 acres from her father, David
Crawford.
After Thomas Poindexter died, Sarah married Reverend James Brechin, and
had four more children.
March 27, 1753. Will of Sarah (Crawford, Poindexter) Brechin.
Names nine children. (Louisa County Will Book)
Children of THOMAS POINDEXTER and SARAH CRAWFORD are:
i. SUSANNAH11 POINDEXTER, b. Abt. 1697, St. Peter Parish,
New Kent County, VA.
ii. ELIZABETH POINDEXTER, b. January 14, 1698/99, St. Peter
Parish, New Kent County, VA; d. Aft. 1735, Hanover County, VA; m.
WILLIAM PAYNE, Abt. 1719, St. Peter Parish, New Kent County, VA; b.
Abt. 1690, Westmoreland County, VA; d. Bef. 1735, Hanover County, VA.
Notes for ELIZABETH POINDEXTER:
After William Payne's death, Elizabeth married Ruel Shrewsbury.
iii. SARAH POINDEXTER, b. Abt. 1701, St. Peter Parish, New
Kent County, VA.
iv. JOHN POINDEXTER, b. Abt. 1703, St. Peter Parish, New
Kent County, VA.
v. THOMAS POINDEXTER, JR., b. Abt. 1705, St. Peter Parish,
New Kent County, VA.
douglasr...@hotmail.com
The line you provide for George Poindexter, of New Kent Co., Virginia
looks good. I know nothing of these people, though, so I'm unable to
comment on the accuracy of the descent. Do you have sources for each
generation to support this line?
I do have one question. What evidence do you have that Catherine,
daughter of John Camel, married Renaud Lempriere, of St. Martin's
parish, Isle of Jersey7
As for Joan Plecy's ancestry, some time ago, I worked out a meandering
descent for her from Ela de Vitre, one time Countess of Salisbury, died
1233, who married (lst) William Paynell, died 1184; (2nd) Gilbert de
Tillieres, died 1190; William Fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury, died
1196; and Gilbert Malmains.
Ela de Vitre is the ancestress of the well known Longespee family
through her third marriage to William Fitz Patrick, Earl of Salisbury.
I descend from Ela through the Longespee family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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family in Jersey is John Poindexter Landers, "Poingdestre-Poindexter: A
Norman Family through the Ages (1250-1977)," Published by Robert Downs
Poindexter in Austin, TX. Landers cites and quotes numerous primary
records in Jersey throughout his book. In describing the family of
Renaud Lempriere and Catherine Camel, he writes:
"Mention was made earlier of Renaud Lempriere (VI) the son of Jean
Lempriere (V) and Jehanette le Lorreur. Due to the recorded
proceedings of a trial in which he was involved, we have many vivid
details of life at Rozel Manor in the Fifteenth Century which would
otherwise have been unknown. In 1463 Renaud Lempriere was arrested for
plotting to expel the French, who, under Pierre de Breze, Count of
Maulevrier, had occupied Jersey for several years. It is stated
therein that Raulin Lempriere [a brother of Renaud, who appears on a
genealogy chart on the facing page--a note by Shawn] was born in about
1418. He had a bastard son, Jehan, who was said to play tennis at the
manor and "drink with the men." Renaud's wife was Katherine, daughter
of John Camel of Shapwick near Blandford in Dorset, and their
two "beautiful children" were Jean Lempriere (VII) and Catherine
Lempriere (VII)."
This is the only reference I find about Katherine's origins.
Could you please send me the names of the generations between Joan
Plecy and Ela de Vitre? Do you know the surname of John Camel's wife?
At some point, I would like to obtain a complete copy of your work on
the Camel family. Have you publish your work in one of the genealogy
journals or in a book?
Shawn Potter
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douglasr...@hotmail.com
Thanks for sharing the information from the Landers book. Sounds
fascinating.
If you want further particulars regarding the new Camell-Plecy descent
from Ela de Vitre, Countess of Salisbury, I recommend you contact me by
private e-mail. My e-mail address is listed below.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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