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Agnes of Essex (born about 1151)
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Ian Hampson
Jun 7, 2023, 1:04:10 PM6/7/23
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I'm looking at Agnes of Essex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Essex and https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/62379) (Agnes de Vere, countess of Oxford) and trying to work out who her mother was!
RáGena C.DeAragon in her entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (September 2004) says that she was "the daughter of Henry of Essex, royal constable, and his wife, Cecily".
However, in the chapter The Child-Bride, the Earl, and the Pope: The Marital Fortunes of Agnes of Essex in the book Henry I and the Anglo-Norman World (Haskins Society, 2006) RáGena says (on page 201) "Agnes was born ... to Henry of Essex and Alice de Montfort, his second wife" citing the Complete Peerage, X, 205–7 but adding "which misidentifies her mother as Cecily, Henry’s first wife". The Complete Peerage itself cites Dugdale's Monasticon.
RáGena also suggests (also on page 201) that Henry's first wife Cecily was the daughter of Robert de Vere, from whence came the hereditary constableship. I cannot find anything on this Robert de Vere.
Rosie Bevan and others seem to think that Cecily ("the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes") was the mother of Agnes (e.g. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GB_EJqmqu94/m/ykJfXluKYzkJ) and Alice gets barely a mention!
Any firm conclusions? Or is it the best we can do at this distance?
Ian Hampson
(Rural North Wales)
RáGena C.DeAragon in her entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (September 2004) says that she was "the daughter of Henry of Essex, royal constable, and his wife, Cecily".
However, in the chapter The Child-Bride, the Earl, and the Pope: The Marital Fortunes of Agnes of Essex in the book Henry I and the Anglo-Norman World (Haskins Society, 2006) RáGena says (on page 201) "Agnes was born ... to Henry of Essex and Alice de Montfort, his second wife" citing the Complete Peerage, X, 205–7 but adding "which misidentifies her mother as Cecily, Henry’s first wife". The Complete Peerage itself cites Dugdale's Monasticon.
RáGena also suggests (also on page 201) that Henry's first wife Cecily was the daughter of Robert de Vere, from whence came the hereditary constableship. I cannot find anything on this Robert de Vere.
Rosie Bevan and others seem to think that Cecily ("the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes") was the mother of Agnes (e.g. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GB_EJqmqu94/m/ykJfXluKYzkJ) and Alice gets barely a mention!
Any firm conclusions? Or is it the best we can do at this distance?
Ian Hampson
(Rural North Wales)
Peter Stewart
Jun 7, 2023, 9:59:40 PM6/7/23
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On 08-Jun-23 3:04 AM, Ian Hampson wrote:
> I'm looking at Agnes of Essex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Essex and https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/62379) (Agnes de Vere, countess of Oxford) and trying to work out who her mother was!
> RáGena C.DeAragon in her entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (September 2004) says that she was "the daughter of Henry of Essex, royal constable, and his wife, Cecily".
> However, in the chapter The Child-Bride, the Earl, and the Pope: The Marital Fortunes of Agnes of Essex in the book Henry I and the Anglo-Norman World (Haskins Society, 2006) RáGena says (on page 201) "Agnes was born ... to Henry of Essex and Alice de Montfort, his second wife" citing the Complete Peerage, X, 205–7 but adding "which misidentifies her mother as Cecily, Henry’s first wife". The Complete Peerage itself cites Dugdale's Monasticon.
> RáGena also suggests (also on page 201) that Henry's first wife Cecily was the daughter of Robert de Vere, from whence came the hereditary constableship. I cannot find anything on this Robert de Vere.
Robert (died probably ca 1151) was a younger son of Aubrey de Vere,
> I'm looking at Agnes of Essex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Essex and https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/62379) (Agnes de Vere, countess of Oxford) and trying to work out who her mother was!
> RáGena C.DeAragon in her entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (September 2004) says that she was "the daughter of Henry of Essex, royal constable, and his wife, Cecily".
> However, in the chapter The Child-Bride, the Earl, and the Pope: The Marital Fortunes of Agnes of Essex in the book Henry I and the Anglo-Norman World (Haskins Society, 2006) RáGena says (on page 201) "Agnes was born ... to Henry of Essex and Alice de Montfort, his second wife" citing the Complete Peerage, X, 205–7 but adding "which misidentifies her mother as Cecily, Henry’s first wife". The Complete Peerage itself cites Dugdale's Monasticon.
> RáGena also suggests (also on page 201) that Henry's first wife Cecily was the daughter of Robert de Vere, from whence came the hereditary constableship. I cannot find anything on this Robert de Vere.
royal chamberlain (died ca 1112). His wife Alice was a daughter of Hugh
III of Montfort-sur-Risle, lord of Haughley.
As noted by Emily Amt in the ODNB article on Henry de Essex (vol. 18 p.
612), "He married first Cecily, who was the mother of most or all of his
children, and second Alice, probably the daughter (or possibly the
widow) and heir of Robert de Vere (d. c.1151). Alice brought him Robert
de Vere's constableship and the barony of Haughley, which had come to
Robert through his wife, Alice de Montfort. Henry's children included
Henry of Essex the younger, Hugh, Robert, Agnes of Essex (who married
Aubrey de Vere, first earl of Oxford), and Alice (who may have married
Geoffrey de Say)." Round had argued [Who was Alice of Essex? in
*Transactions of the Essex Archæological Society*, new series 3 (1889)]
that Alice was the step-mother of Henry de Essex rather than his second
wife. DeAragon in 2006 was apparently reverting to the family scheme
proposed by Miss Fry [Some account of Suene of Essex, his family and
estates, ibid 5 (1870)] that Round refuted.
> Rosie Bevan and others seem to think that Cecily ("the daughter of Roger and Agnes de Valognes") was the mother of Agnes (e.g. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/GB_EJqmqu94/m/ykJfXluKYzkJ) and Alice gets barely a mention!
explains the placing of Cecily in the Valognes family.
Peter Stewart
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