Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater (1527-1620)
Sam Sloan
President William Henry Harrison.
This comes through Jane Popham, the wife of William M. Graham. The
common ancestor is Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater
(1527-1620) Married Feb 1543.
I just this morning posted this new news on my website.
http://www.anusha.com/pafg110.htm#3133
Now, I have decided to try to find out who these people were. I
searched on Google and found their names on lots of sites, but all of
them were genealogy sites. It seems that just about everybody is
claiming to be descended from Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary
Atwater (1527-1620).
Does anybody know who these peope were? With so many people claiming
descent from them, they must have been important in some way.
Sam Sloan
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Mike Gallafent
<sl...@ishipress.com> writes
<snip>
>Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater
>(1527-1620) Married Feb 1543.
>
>Does anybody know who these peope were?
>Sam Sloan
You require to visit a reference library. Check out the following:
Published pedigrees:
Marshall's 'The Genealogist's Guide', 1903
Origin of names:
a. Bardsley's 'English & Welsh Surnames' 1901.
b. Harrison's 'Surnames' 1912.
c. Guppy's 'Homes of Family Names' 1890.
d. Hanks & Hodges 'Dictionary of Surnames'.
e. Reaney's 'A Dictionary of Surnames'.
f. Scottish Family Surnames by George Black
g. Ewen's Surnames.
Published Family Histories:
Catalogue of Family Histories by Thompson (SofG)
Educational Attainment:
Alumni Oxenienses by Foster
Alumni Cantabrigienses by Venn
Luminaries:
Dictionary of National Biography
Dignities 1894 by Haydn
Obituaries:
Musgrave's Prior to 1800
Wills:
Indexes for PCC & Counties
That's just for starters...
Mike.
--
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Mike Gallafent - Publisher - CD 'Strangers, Foreigners & Aliens'
mgall...@yahoo.co.uk - CD 'Early Inhabitants of Kent'
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A Channing
Hasted will give you more information and a couple more generations
backwards. (The last edition was about 13 Vol., the index is in the front)
IIRC, it was his cousin who was the ancestor of the Honywood, Barts -
extant, so can be found in Burke's 106th edition.
Sam Sloan wrote,
> I just found out that I am the 7th Cousin 5 times removed of 9th
> President William Henry Harrison.
>
> This comes through Jane Popham, the wife of William M. Graham. The
> common ancestor is Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater
> (1527-1620) Married Feb 1543.
>
> I just this morning posted this new news on my website.
>
> http://www.anusha.com/pafg110.htm#3133
>
> Now, I have decided to try to find out who these people were. I
> searched on Google and found their names on lots of sites, but all of
> them were genealogy sites. It seems that just about everybody is
> claiming to be descended from Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary
> Atwater (1527-1620).
>
> Does anybody know who these peope were? With so many people claiming
> descent from them, they must have been important in some way.
>
ŠAdrian (Surrey, UK) <ACha...@CompuServe.Com>
NB There should _not_ be an(y) attachment(s) to this plain text message
Sam Sloan
wrote:
This post is from a man who says that his IQ was 180.
John Steele Gordon
news:3c225eb1...@ca.news.verio.net...
Still crossposting to 47 irrelevant groups. You must be a slow learner. At
least this one is relevant to SGM for a change.
Robert Honywood and Mary Atwater had sixteen children of whom fourteen lived
to maturity. Their decadency is nearly boundless. They are ancestral to Mary
Baker, first wife of Robert Brooke, emigrant to Maryland abt 1650, and thus
ancestral to a vast number of Americans. You can see several generations of
their ancestry at
--
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jsgordon/Pedigree/index.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jsgordon/Bookform/index.htm
Mary Atwater was a remarkable person. See Atwater History and Genealogy,
compiled by Francis Atwater (1901). A fervent Protestant, she visited John
Bradford in jail, received several letters from him, and was present at his
burning in 1555. So great was the crowd that she lost her shoes and had to
walk barefoot from Smithfield to St. Martin's before she could purchase a
new pair.
She had 367 descendants born in her life time (she lived to be 92) and there
were 200 of these descendants present at a dinner given for her.
Given to melancholy in her later years, she was visited by John Foxe who
sought to console her. She would have none of it. Foxe reported that she
"dashed a Venice glass to the ground, saying, 'Sir, I am sure to be damned
as this glass is to be broke.' when by God's wonderful providence the glass
was taken up uninjured." I trust that cheered her up.
JSG
Paul C. Reed
> news:3c225eb1...@ca.news.verio.net...
> > I just found out that I am the 7th Cousin 5 times removed of 9th
> > President William Henry Harrison.
> >
> > This comes through Jane Popham, the wife of William M. Graham. The
> > common ancestor is Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater
> > (1527-1620) Married Feb 1543.
Sam, who is the Virginia immigrant you trace this descent through? I know
of some claimed descents from Robert Honeywood that are true, and
and least two that are false.
Paul
Terry
Sam Sloan wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2001 22:10:42 -0800, oferg...@hotmail.com (ofergneezy)
> wrote:
>
> >>NOBODY CARES!!!
> >NOBODY CARES!!!
> >NOBODY CARES!!!
>
> This post is from a man who says that his IQ was 180.
I think you've got those numbers backwards
ofergneezy
sl...@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<3c233354...@ca.news.verio.net>...
ofergneezy
I just found out that I am the 7th Cousin 5 times removed of 9th
President William Henry Harrison.
Bot: I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT THE MORE I TALK TO YOU, THE STUPIDER
I GET.
This comes through Jane Popham, the wife of William M. Graham.
Bot: MY SIDE KICK IS A PSYCHIC CHICK
The common ancestor is Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater
(1527-1620) Married Feb 1543.
Bot: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCES
I just this morning posted this new news on my website.
Bot: WELL, THIS IS STUPID
http://www.anusha.com/pafg110.htm#3133
Bot: HRMMMMM NOPE ... WHY WOULD I WANT TO WATCH THAT
Now, I have decided to try to find out who these people were.
Bot: TALK TO YOURSELF YOU NEUROTIC NINCUMPOOP, BUT DON'T EXPECT ANY
INTELLIGENT ANSWERS.
I searched on Google and found their names on lots of sites, but all
of them were genealogy sites.
Bot: NOT TOO PLEASANT TO BE THE ONE WHO CHANGED THE DRESSING ON HIS
WOUNDS, I TELL YOU. HE WOULD JUST CURSE AND CURSE IN YOUR EAR,
HOLLERING SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR MOTHER AND THE MONKEY
It seems that just about everybody is claiming to be descended from
Robert Honywood (1525-1576) and Mary Atwater (1527-1620).
Bot: WELL, I FUCK ON A DAILY BASIS
Does anybody know who these peope were?
Bot: DO U KNOW HOW MANY FINGERS I HAVE
With so many people claiming descent from them, they must have been
important in some way.
Bot: I THINK THAT YOU HAVE GONE OFF ON A TANGENT THERE!
Sam Sloan
Bot: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Sam Sloan
> I think you've got those numbers backwards.
No. That is what he said.
On 24 Nov 2001 07:33:53 -0800, in rec.games.chess.misc under "Sam
Sloan has an IQ of 50" oferg...@hotmail.com (ofergneezy) wrote:
>Regards,
>Ofergneezy (who was measured at an IQ of 180 in the seventh grade, but
>it has obviously done him little good in the real adult world)
Bill
Bill
Roy Dent
says...
> With so many people claiming
> descent from them, they must have been important in some way.
>
> Sam Sloan
It mus be really rotten to be descended from someone unimportant.
Does this worry your children?
Cheers,
Roy
Sam Sloan
wrote:
Sandra cries a lot, but she does not really seem to be worried about
this.
After all, she is only 42 days old.
Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/sandra.htm
Sam Sloan
OK. Here it is, and thank you. It would not bother me one bit if it turns
out that this genealogy is false. I find nobility in being the son of a
horse thief:
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=13SAUh2
The best genealogical software you can getRelationship Chart
Samuel Howard Sloan is the 7th Cousin 5 times removed of 9th President
William Henry Harrison
Common Ancestor
* Robert Honywood
(1525-1576)
* Mary Atwater
(1527-1620)
Married Feb 1543
|
--------------------------------------------
| |
| |
William Henmarsh George Woodward
(About 1541- ) (About 1554- )
* Katherine Honywood * Elizabeth Honywood
(1546- ) (1561-1631)
Married About 1566
| |
| |
Richard Willis James Bacon
(Before 1607- ) (1595-1649)
* Jane Henmarsh * Martha Honeywood Woodward
(About 1603-Between 1635) (1597-1670)
Married About 1624 Married 1619
| |
| |
* Thomas Willis Anthony Smith
(About 1625-1668) (1630-1662)
Mary Bentley * Martha Bacon
(About 1633-1684) (1634- )
Married About 1654 Married Before 1656
| |
| |
Robert Aldin Major Lewis Burwell, II
(About 1649-1720) (1653-1711)
* Ellianor Willis * Abigail Smith
(1655-About 1737) (1656-1692)
Married About 1680 Married 1674
| |
| |
Martin Nalle Benjamin III Harrison
(Circa 1675-Between 1728) (1673-1710)
* Mary Jane Aldin * Elizabeth Burwell
(1681-1734) (1675-1734)
Married About 1702 Married 1698
| |
| |
* Martin Nalle, Jr * Colonel Benjamin Harrison, IV
(About 1707-1788) (1693-1745)
Isabelle Anne Carter
(About 1710-1788) (1696-1743)
Married About 1730 Married About 1722
| |
| |
Job Popham * Gov. Benjamin Harrison
(1709-1781) (1726-1791)
* Ann Nall Elizabeth Bassett
(1738-1825) (1730-1792)
Married 1758 Married 1748
| |
| |
* Humphrey Popham * 9th President William Henry
Harrison
(1763- ) (1773-1841)
Elizabeth Betsey Hawkins
(1762-After 1826)
Married 2 Nov 1788
|
|
William M Graham
(1801-1882)
* Jane Popham
(1809-1893)
Married 13 Mar 1835
|
|
* Samuel Allison Graham
(1848-1931)
Elizabeth Grace Thomson
(1851-1932)
Married 3 Jun 1869
|
|
Wesley Peter Jacobson
(1877-1963)
* Mary Elizabeth Graham
(1879-1956)
Married 2 Jun 1909
|
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Leroy Bayfield Sloan
(1910-1986)
* Dr. Helen Marjorie Jacobson
(1910- )
Married 27 Jun 1937
|
|
* Samuel Howard Sloan
(1944- )
John Steele Gordon
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:02:28 -0000, Roy Dent <roy_...@lineone.net>
> >> With so many people claiming
> >> descent from them, they must have been important in some way.
That is a genealogical non sequitor if ever there was one.
A lot of people claim descent from them not because of their importance
(they were run-of-the-mill gentry) nor the nobility of their ancestry (they
have no royal or noble connections that I know of), but rather their sheer
fecundity. They had sixteen children and Mary Atwater had 367 descendants
born in her lifetime. That gives you a lot of present-day
descendants--several million at the least.
JSG
Sam Sloan
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=13SAUh2
The best genealogical software you can getRelationship Chart
Samuel Howard Sloan is the 7th Cousin 5 times removed of 9th President
William Henry Harrison
Common Ancestor
* Robert Honywood
(1525-1576)
* Mary Atwater
(1527-1620)
Paul C. Reed
[snip]
> |
> Richard Willis
> (Before 1607- )
> * Jane Henmarsh
> Woodward
> (About 1603-Between 1635)
> Married About 1624
> |
>
> |
> * Thomas Willis
> (About 1625-1668)
That's what I thought you were going to say.
Richard Willis, Esquire, was of Horningsey and Fen Ditton,
Cambridgeshire, and of the Inner Temple. He died 26 Oct.
1626. He married Jane Henmarsh, daughter and heir of
William Henmarsh, of Balls, Hertfordshire. She died 12
Mar. 1628/9. They married at Hertford 28 Oct. 1611. They
had three sons and one daughter:
(1) Sir Thomas Willis [this is the man who people claim is
the Virginia immigrant], bp. 6 Sep. 1612, was aged 72 in
1684, when he gave information for the Visitation of
Cambridge, and died 17 Nov. 1701, aged 87. He married
Anne Wild, daughter and coheiress of Sir John Wildeby
Anne Honeywood. He was created a Baronet 15 Dec.
1641, but his male issue eventually became extinct. His
eldest son, Thomas, aged 2 in 1634, died without issue.
(Sir Thomas had six sons and seven daughters.)
(2) Sir Richard Willis, second son of Richard Willis and
Jane Henmarsh, was bp. 13 Jan. 1613/14, and buried 9 Dec.
1690. He married Alice Fox, daughter and heir of Thomas
Fox, MD, by Anne Honeywood. He was also created a
Baronet, on 11 June 1646. He had one son and two
daughters. His only son, Sir Thomas Fox Willis, died
without issue unmarried in 1701, aged 59.
(3) William Willis, bp. 16 Apr. 1615, was a colonel of
the horse. He married Katharine Offley, daughter of Sir
John Offley, and widow of Thomas, son of Thomas Willis
of the Inner Temple, London and Ahs, Hampshire.
(4) Elizabeth Willis, bp. 29 Sep. 1616, married Sir
William Man of Canterbury.
If you examine the above, you will see that Thomas Willis,
the Virginia immigrant, was not the man in England so
frequently stated on the Internet.
Paul
Sam Sloan
<ance...@optonline.net> wrote:
>A lot of people claim descent from them not because of their importance
>(they were run-of-the-mill gentry) nor the nobility of their ancestry (they
>have no royal or noble connections that I know of), but rather their sheer
>fecundity. They had sixteen children and Mary Atwater had 367 descendants
>born in her lifetime. That gives you a lot of present-day
>descendants--several million at the least.
>
>JSG
Thank you for the very useful posting.
Sam Sloan
Sam Sloan
You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
Is that what you are saying?
Then, who was the Thomas Willis who came to Virginia?
Also, another question:
President George Washington had an aunt named Mildred Washington, who
was married to Henry Willis, son of Francis Willis.
The Willis family was also inlaws with the family of President Thomas
Jefferson.
Are these people named Willis relatives of that Thomas Willis? Do you
know?
Also, I see the name sometimes spelled Wyllys. Do you know the reason
for that?
Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/slaves.htm
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:18:46 -0700, "Paul C. Reed" <rp...@uswest.net>
wrote:
li...@orc.net
> Let me try to understand this.
> You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
> Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
> immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
> 17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
What time of day on 17 Nov. 1701 did he die?
Sam Sloan
You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
Is that what you are saying?
Then, who was the Thomas Willis who came to Virginia?
Also, another question:
President George Washington had an aunt named Mildred Washington, who
was married to Henry Willis, son of Francis Willis.
The Willis family was also inlaws with the family of President Thomas
Jefferson.
Are these people named Willis relatives of that Thomas Willis? Do you
know?
Also, I see the name sometimes spelled Wyllys. Do you know the reason
for that?
Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/slaves.htm
StanB
<li...@orc.net> wrote in message
> > Let me try to understand this.
>
> > You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
> > Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
> > immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
> > 17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
>
> What time of day on 17 Nov. 1701 did he die?
Aft past ah kows ast.
StanB
li...@orc.net
> <li...@orc.net> wrote in message
>> > You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
>> > Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
>> > immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
>> > 17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
>> What time of day on 17 Nov. 1701 did he die?
> Aft past ah kows ast.
And twixt?
Renia
There was a marriage contract dated 2nd October 1670, between Mary, widow of
Thomas Willis and Matthew Bentley. Their issue were Richard, John and Eleanor.
Thomas had land in York Ridge in 1653, and Thomas, with William Willis, in 1665
had 250 acres of land in Gloucester Co on Grave Neck Creek. He was in Lancaster
Co in 1657, and on 1 Oct 1667 Thomas had wife, Mary. Someone sent me this
information nearly 20 years ago.
>
> | |
> | |
> Robert Aldin Major Lewis Burwell, II
> (About 1649-1720) (1653-1711)
> * Ellianor Willis * Abigail Smith
> (1655-About 1737) (1656-1692)
> Married About 1680 Married 1674
On Rootsweb Worldconnect, for what it is worth, someone has this Eleanor Willis
as married to (or partner of) Henry Thacker, with no mention of Robert Aldin.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dmjohnson&id=I12966
REnia
Renia
Sam Sloan wrote:
> Let me try to understand this.
>
> You are saying that Richard Willis and Jane Henmarsh had a son named
> Thomas Willis, but that was not the same person as a Thomas Willis who
> immigrated to Virginia. Rather, he stayed in England and died there on
> 17 Nov. 1701, aged 87.
>
> Is that what you are saying?
>
> Then, who was the Thomas Willis who came to Virginia?
>
> Also, another question:
>
> President George Washington had an aunt named Mildred Washington, who
> was married to Henry Willis, son of Francis Willis.
>
> The Willis family was also inlaws with the family of President Thomas
> Jefferson.
>
> Are these people named Willis relatives of that Thomas Willis? Do you
> know?
It would appear not to be the case. That Willis family originated from
Oxford in England, and did not favour Thomas as a Christian name.
>
> Also, I see the name sometimes spelled Wyllys. Do you know the reason
> for that?
Variant spelling of the old style. I've seen it as Wylly and Willie which
just helps to complicate matters.
Sam Sloan
Common Ancestor
Robert Aldin Major Lewis Burwell,
II
(About 1649-1720) (1653-1711)
* Ellianor Willis * Abigail Smith
(1655-About 1737) (1656-1692)
Married About 1680 Married 1674
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Nusrat Rizvi
wrote:
Can you name a single person who gives a damn about this bullshit?